Originally posted by leonidas
but NOT 616. doesn't that imply that the wave came from somewhere OTHER than wanda -- i mean other than emanating DIRECTLY from wanda's person? if it came 'right out of wanda', like, say, a hex bolt, surely the first thing it would have destroyed would have been everything in the area immediately around her THEN escalated out into the multiverse.
Good point, but why would Wanda destroy herself?
I think she subconsciously didn't allow it to wipe out 616 immediately.
And before you jump into, then why was it going to enter 616 in the end:
This is from HOM #1
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/8919/1du9.th.jpg
The more Wanda Remade the Universe, the less she cared about Reality, because as X says, "she was losing her grip on Reality"
By the time the Wave reached 616, HOM was one issue away from finishing.
Originally posted by leonidas
'fraid they're about to get muddied again.
civilly this time, i hope.
No, please,
you're a great debater, and you most certainly do not need to succumb to anyone's opinion around here, and to tell you the truth, I like your ideas, speculations, theories and sensible truths.
Originally posted by leonidas
in any event, you sort of shot down your OWN case while shooting at mine. i will freely admit that this is speculation on my part, (because once again, no CONCLUSIVE evidence supports either interpretation) but how can your view be any less speculatory when you yourself showed a scan stating roma herself didn't know where the wave came from?
Ey,
I did say "the only HINT we have", I never made anything concrete.
Originally posted by leonidas
were it as simple as -- the wave came from wanda' wouldn't roma have KNOWN that? she (or her omniversal cronies) seemed to believe that it emanated from the 616 and so felt wiping out 616 ('genocide') would stop the wave. does it not follow that if they thought it was from wanda, that they would suggest just wiping out wanda?
Roma said, "the localized effects are so severe, I am unable to ascertain the cause"
So there was a reason behind her ignorance, or was that Wanda messing with her head? (speculation)
Originally posted by leonidas
true enough, but hardly conclusive in and of itself. that was also where wanda was wreaking havoc. i'm just not sure how you can be so seemingly certain that the wave came right from wanda when:
Well Wanda wasn't exactly wreaking havoc, she was only Re-creating that Reality.
Originally posted by leonidas
(a) nothing AROUND her was affected by its alleged release yet it 'destroyed universes'
I addressed this above.
Originally posted by leonidas
(b) nothing ON PANEL says it CAME from wanda, but rather says it came from 616 where she was AND where she was remaking and tampering with reality
Hey that's what I said.
Originally posted by leonidas
(c) even ROMA wasn't certain where it came from. and here it seems to me it would have been easy enough for her to know if it came from one single person as roma et al., are hardly stupid or uninformed beings.
There was a reason behind her ignorance as I said.
Originally posted by leonidas
(d) roma (or one of the omniversal gang) wanted to wipe out ALL the 616 to stop it -- not just wanda.
Well only because Roma didn't know exactly where it was coming from except that it did Originate in 616, where Wanda is.
Originally posted by leonidas
be clear -- i'm not categorically dismissing your view. just that from ALL the scans i've seen on this issue, it seems there is at least as much (and more imo, which is why i see it differently than you do) 'circumstantial proof' to say the wave was a by-product of her tampering as there is 'circumstantial proof' that the wave came directly from her
Fair enough.
