Mad Jim Jaspers vs Galactus

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trolly_crouchjr
95% Galactus vs Mad Jim Jaspers

Galan777
Bye Bye Galactus

thedude1948
95% Galactus doesnt have much chance, 96% Galactus might though.

guy222
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.51c7398ee0.jpg

FTW

Terryc250
MJJ wins by a curbstomp

Utrigita
MJJ ftw

The UN would maybe make a difference but still MJJ

celestialdemon
MJJ stomps him.

iceman24567
It's insane how powerful he is but Galactus gets downed

SouthSpawn
I think if the Big G could strike first, there is no way MJJ would win.
If the Big G used the UN on MJJ first, I think it would be over.

This guy is a mutant RW who is extremely powerful.
But if Galactus shot him with the UN at full power, MJJ would be wiped out for good.

Now, if MJJ saw everything coming, BYE BYE BIG G.

starlock
if the surfer can shut off cables x gene, i bet galactus can shut off mjj's

Galactus for the easy win

Mr Master
laughing

Jaspers in a horrific Stomp.

And the UN would not help G at all,
because Nullifiers can't penetrate Jaspers' Warp.

lordboo
Originally posted by starlock
if the surfer can shut off cables x gene, i bet galactus can shut off mjj's

Galactus for the easy win

r u serious

jaspers wipes his ass with galactus even with the un

Xplosive
Originally posted by guy222
http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/th.51c7398ee0.jpg

FTW

Mad Jim Jaspers is coming back? This insane power is coming back?

Estacado
I remember GS saying that MJJ only warped a country that.....haermm

Mr Master
Originally posted by Estacado
I remember GS saying that MJJ only warped a country that.....haermm

And Wanda only warped the Earth. laughing

guy222
Originally posted by Xplosive
Mad Jim Jaspers is coming back? This insane power is coming back?

Jaspers returned in X Men: Die by the Sword

The new pic is from the 2nd issue smile

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
And the UN would not help G at all,
because Nullifiers can't penetrate Jaspers' Warp.
Of course, that assumes that CN=UN... which doesn't really have any backing.

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
Of course, that assumes that CN=UN... which doesn't really have any backing.

They both completely nullify Time & Space,
so I'd say quite assuredly that CN = UN.

Heck, I'd go as far as to say CN > UN,
simply because the UN's limits are the Prime Multiverse,
while the CN, can take out any Reality in the entire Omniverse.

Or because,
the UN has been proven on panel to leave residues of Eternity's consciousness,
while the CN, leaves Un-Space (absolutely NO trace of Eternity)

But, I'd rather keep them as equals,
because essentially they do the same exact thing.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
They both completely nullify Time & Space,
so I'd say quite assuredly that CN = UN.

Heck, I'd go as far as to say CN > UN,
simply because the UN's limits are the Prime Multiverse,
while the CN, can take out any Reality in the entire Omniverse.

Or because,
the UN has been proven on panel to leave residues of Eternity's consciousness,
while the CN, leaves Un-Space (absolutely NO trace of Eternity)

But, I'd rather keep them as equals,
because essentially they do the same exact thing.
That is like saying, that because the Hulk and Galactus can both break Buildings, Hulk=Galactus.

The UN can also remake the deleted space, can take out the multiverse in one shot, and something that is hit with the UN never existed in the first place. The CN just destroys stuff.

You have no proof that the UN is limited to the prime Multiverse, and even if it was, the Omniverse collapses without the prime Multiverse.

fatgogeta
I agree that there is no foundation for the claim that the UN is equal to the CN. Also, it was the Fury who survived universal nullification not MJJ, so even if they are equal there is no evidence that Jaspers could survive the UN. Anyways, if Galactus doesn't use the UN he is royally boned.

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
That is like saying, that because the Hulk and Galactus can both break Buildings, Hulk=Galactus.

Very bad analogy.

No relation to what I said at all.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The UN can also remake the deleted space,

It matters not if it can remake, this isn't a question of versatility.

UN nullifies Space & Time.

CN nullifies Space & Time.

Against the Fury, remaking the same Reality that was nullified is null.

Originally posted by King Kandy
can take out the multiverse in one shot,

That's just nullification on a grander scale,

but in the end, it's still nullification.

Same exact thing the CN does, no difference whatsoever.
...........................................................................

Here's a more appropriate analogy:

The same exact energies that nullify a mouse,
nullify a Universe or Multiverse.

Only difference is the scale of nullification.

Originally posted by King Kandy
and something that is hit with the UN never existed in the first place.

Not in Eternity's case:


The Dr Strange, Silver Surfer and Phoenix of this Universe were spared Nullification.

When Strange returns to the Universe that was erased,

he finds the UN as the Culprit:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3959/d1wb0.th.jpg
...........................................................................


They were expelled from that Universe before it's demise.

It was the Universe Korvac ruled.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5537/d2be2.th.jpg
...........................................................................


This is where Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN,

as you can see, the essence of Eternity emerges:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"
...........................................................................


Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg
...........................................................................


This Universe was Nullified by the UN, and Eternity's Spirit is still lingering around.

Originally posted by King Kandy
The CN just destroys stuff.

Actually the CN truly nullifies completely and totaly,
so much so,
that it literally converts Space, into UN-Space:


"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced"
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2561/e6qo5.th.jpg
"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7179/jue6.th.jpg
"It floats through Space that is Not Space"


This 238 Reality became UN-Space, that's what they mean by,
(Space that is Not Space)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6489/undf4.th.jpg

"Un-Space ... where there is Nothing ... Nothing at all"

(including Eternity's spirit)

Originally posted by King Kandy
You have no proof that the UN is limited to the prime Multiverse,

Where's the proof that it's anything more than Multiversal?

The UN is a part of Galactus,
Galactus at best, At Best ... is equal to Eternity's totality. (The Multiverse)

Originally posted by King Kandy
and even if it was, the Omniverse collapses without the prime Multiverse.

RIght, in a chain reaction affect.

While the CN can wipe out the Omniverse under its own power.


Oh and,
the same rule applies to the CN btw.

CN takes out 616 ... no more Omniverse.

Again,

CN = UN ... and I'm being generous concerning the UN. smile

fatgogeta
Whether they are equal pertains to the Fury. There is no evidence Jaspers would survive either. The only thing that ever resisted the Ultimate nullifier was the Infinity Gauntlet, and you would be hard pressed to establish Jaspers as equal to the IG in power.

Mr Master
Originally posted by fatgogeta
Whether they are equal pertains to the Fury.
There is no evidence Jaspers would survive either.

Jaspers can survive the CN.
(which converts Space into UN-Space (Oblivion)

So Jaspers can survive the UN.
(which nullifies Space & Time but can't erase Eternity completely)

They both do the same thing essentially, nullify Space & Time.

although there's proof that the CN erases Reality more completely,
I respect the UN, so I'm still keeping it = to the CN.


So if Jaspers can survive the CN,
he can surely survive the UN (that's the evidence)

Originally posted by fatgogeta
The only thing that ever resisted the Ultimate nullifier was the Infinity Gauntlet, and you would be hard pressed to establish Jaspers as equal to the IG in power.

Jaspers controls all aspects of Reality.

Same thing as the IG.

IG made Thanos the 616 Reality (power of the Multiverse)

Jaspers also became the 616 Reality (power of the Multiverse)


I know all of the IG's & Jaspers' feats ...
nothing to indicate IG is superior ...
but one could argue that Jaspers is.

fatgogeta
Maybe the new series with MJJ in it will provide more concrete feats to establish him as operating at that level of power, but as it stands now The Infinity Gauntlet has irrefutably demonstrated more power than Jaspers. Jaspers merged with and gained power over a universe, same thing that Thanos did with the IG. This may suggest that they are comprable in power, but Thanos also merged with the Universe using a cosmic cube, which is not even capable of overcoming a celestial. It seems to be possible to "become" the universe (Eternity) without overpowering Eternity, or even being more powerful than him. The point is until we see Jaspers actually overpowering all the abstracts and defeating Eternity, let alone merging universes, deflecting the UN, or requiring the intervention of the LIVING TRIBUNAL to be overpowered, he is not equal to the Infinity Gauntlet.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
Very bad analogy.

No relation to what I said at all.

It has everything to do with what you said. Replace "Galactus and Hulk" with "UN and CN"

Then replace "Break Buildings" with "Nullify Space Time"



Originally posted by Mr Master
It matters not if it can remake, this isn't a question of versatility.

UN nullifies Space & Time.

CN nullifies Space & Time.

Against the Fury, remaking the same Reality that was nullified is null.
Just because they do the same thing doesn't mean they have the same power level. Just like how "Building Busters" don't all have the same power.



Originally posted by Mr Master
That's just nullification on a grander scale,

but in the end, it's still nullification.

Same exact thing the CN does, no difference whatsoever.
This shows without a doubt that the UN has more power then the CN. That's why it can achieve a greater scale.

It's like you saying that since The Little Boy bomb and Czar Bomba both make big explosions, they have equal power.

Now clearly you can tell which ones stronger by whichone has the bigger boom.

Originally posted by Mr Master
...........................................................................

Here's a more appropriate analogy:

The same exact energies that nullify a mouse,
nullify a Universe or Multiverse.

Only difference is the scale of nullification.
Except that those energies, it takes more of them to nullify a planet then to nullify an atom. It's pure nonsense to say that it takes the same amount of energy to do both.



Originally posted by Mr Master
Not in Eternity's case:


The Dr Strange, Silver Surfer and Phoenix of this Universe were spared Nullification.

When Strange returns to the Universe that was erased,

he finds the UN as the Culprit:

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3959/d1wb0.th.jpg
...........................................................................


They were expelled from that Universe before it's demise.

It was the Universe Korvac ruled.

http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/5537/d2be2.th.jpg
...........................................................................


This is where Strange figured how to Re-Create the Universe with the UN,

as you can see, the essence of Eternity emerges:

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2048/d3xy5.th.jpg
"I am the Spirit of the Universe that once existed here ... hear my plea"
...........................................................................


Eternity let's it be known he's died, and prefers to keep this way.

Eternity explains that THIS Universe is just ONE of his Aspects,

of a "nigh-Infinite" amount of Eternitys.

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/1092/d4hg3.th.jpg
...........................................................................


This Universe was Nullified by the UN, and Eternity's Spirit is still lingering around.
So obviously since it was once shown that there were some remnants... Nonne of the other showings count? Many Showings>One showing.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually the CN truly nullifies completely and totaly,
so much so,
that it literally converts Space, into UN-Space:


"a CRYSTAL KEY is turned, a Chain Reaction Commenced"
http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2561/e6qo5.th.jpg
"A Stricken UNIVERSE is placed FOREVER beyond Suffering"

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/7179/jue6.th.jpg
"It floats through Space that is Not Space"


This 238 Reality became UN-Space, that's what they mean by,
(Space that is Not Space)

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/6489/undf4.th.jpg
By "Destroy" I meant Nullify. Same dif.


Originally posted by Mr Master
"Un-Space ... where there is Nothing ... Nothing at all"

(including Eternity's spirit)
So how many times was the UN said to do something similar? All the time. Later it was revealed to be not so. And the Fury survived, so they can both leave "Remnants"


Originally posted by Mr Master
Where's the proof that it's anything more than Multiversal?

The UN is a part of Galactus,
Galactus at best, At Best ... is equal to Eternity's totality. (The Multiverse)
Really? I've seen no hint that there is a roof to how much Galactus can consume.



Originally posted by Mr Master
RIght, in a chain reaction affect.

While the CN can wipe out the Omniverse under its own power.
It can't destroy the Omniverse in one shot... Neither can the UN, apparently. But with every shot the UN can nullify infinitly more then the CN.

Xplosive
I would like LT to face MJJ. Of course LT would defeat him, but to see him how he would acknowledge him.

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
It has everything to do with what you said. Replace "Galactus and Hulk" with "UN and CN"

Then replace "Break Buildings" with "Nullify Space Time"

This still has nothing to do with the CN & UN.

And since you returned with the same analogy, we'll leave it at that to avoid circles.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Just because they do the same thing doesn't mean they have the same power level. Just like how "Building Busters" don't all have the same power.

As you wish.

In the business of erasing Reality,

Let me know when the UN does something other than nullifying Space & Time.

Which the CN does just as well.

Originally posted by King Kandy
This shows without a doubt that the UN has more power then the CN. That's why it can achieve a greater scale.

It's like you saying that since The Little Boy bomb and Czar Bomba both make big explosions, they have equal power.

Now clearly you can tell which ones stronger by whichone has the bigger boom.

Again, (these analogies just ain't working)

the only difference is the scale of the nullification.

But the bottomline is,
it is still Nullification.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Except that those energies, it takes more of them to nullify a planet then to nullify an atom. It's pure nonsense to say that it takes the same amount of energy to do both.

It may be nonsense to you, and that's fine.

But prove to me that the UN nullifies on different levels of potency.

Or is it that the UN uses nullification energies to do its job no matter the scale?

Correct.

The UN nullifies, the same energies that nullify an atom,
nullify a planet/universe/muliverse. (it's just a different scale of area to nullify)

Unless you can prove otherwise with proof.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So obviously since it was once shown that there were some remnants... Nonne of the other showings count? Many Showings>One showing.

Many showings?

Eternity was remade when Reed used it on the Multiverse.

How is that possible?

Because the consciousness of Eternity must've still been there in order to re-create it.
(that's how it was in the Dr Strange scenerio)

If Eternity's consciousness would have been completely nullified,
the UN would've had to Create a brand New Eternity from scratch.

Unless you can prove the UN is capable of Creating from nothingness,

I have to disagree with you.

I guess the Dr Strange scenerio still applies.

Originally posted by King Kandy
By "Destroy" I meant Nullify. Same dif.

Not quite, but cool.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So how many times was the UN said to do something similar? All the time. Later it was revealed to be not so. And the Fury survived, so they can both leave "Remnants"

The Fury wasn't a remnant,

the Fury Withstood the nullifer, quite different. (which is an incredible showing of durability)

The Eternity that encompassed the 238 Universe was completely and utterly erased.

In fact, only UN-Space was left (Nothingness in the absolute sense.

Unlike the UN, which could not erase Eternity completely.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Really? I've seen no hint that there is a roof to how much Galactus can consume.

Really?

What issue did Galactus absorb a Multiverse, let alone the Omniverse?

Even in the Black Celestial arc,
although Reed speculated on Galactus' potential, he never actually said,
Big G would take out the Multiverse,
he did however state that not even an entire Universe would be enough to satiate him.

But that's one Universe.

It would take an Infinite amount more to reach a single Multiverse.

Let's not even go into how many to reach the entire Omniverse.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It can't destroy the Omniverse in one shot... Neither can the UN, apparently. But with every shot the UN can nullify infinitly more then the CN.

Actually, if Roma uses all the Crystals at once, she can take out everything.

I've never seen her do it, but I don't see why it isn't plausible,
given she has all the Crystals at hand at any point in time.

Originally posted by King Kandy
But with every shot the UN can nullify infinitly more then the CN.

Unfortunately it can only be used in the Prime Multiverse.

So with every shot,

it'll just continue to erase (not completely ... since it leaves Eternity's spirit lingering)

and remake the same Eternity that was there before.

Mr Master
Originally posted by fatgogeta
Maybe the new series with MJJ in it will provide more concrete feats to establish him as operating at that level of power,

MJJ has already been seen in his potential.

He collapsed the entire Omniverse on panel in an alternate possible Future,
witnessed by Cobweb.

This was the finality of Jaspers' presence in Reality had his plot device (Fury)
not stopped him.

Originally posted by fatgogeta
but as it stands now The Infinity Gauntlet has irrefutably demonstrated more power than Jaspers.

I disagree.

Originally posted by fatgogeta
Jaspers merged with and gained power over a universe, same thing that Thanos did with the IG. This may suggest that they are comprable in power, but Thanos also merged with the Universe using a cosmic cube, which is not even capable of overcoming a celestial.

Actaully it's a Cube Being that's not capable of overcoming a Celestial.

A Cosmic Containment Unit (Cosmic Cube) would curbstomp any Celestial.

A single Cube has done alot more than just merge with the Universe btw.


Cube Beings are a dramatically limited version of Cosmic Cubes.

Heck, even Cosmic Cubes, begin limiting themselves as they evolved consciousness.



Originally posted by fatgogeta
It seems to be possible to "become" the universe (Eternity) without overpowering Eternity, or even being more powerful than him.

I disagree.

If one replaces a Universe's consciousness,
it's because the Eternity of said Universe was overpowered.

Originally posted by fatgogeta
The point is until we see Jaspers actually overpowering all the abstracts and defeating Eternity,

Jaspers was more powerful than Merlyn.

Merlyn >>> all the Abstracts (including Eternity)

Merlyn >>> Omniverse.

Only certain uber gods compare or surpass him.

Originally posted by fatgogeta
let alone merging universes,

Jaspers collpased the entire Omniverse in a Futuristic vision as seen by Cobweb,
had the Fury (plot device) not stopped him.

Originally posted by fatgogeta
deflecting the UN,

Jaspers is immune to nullification, just like Fury.

Originally posted by fatgogeta
or requiring the intervention of the LIVING TRIBUNAL to be overpowered, he is not equal to the Infinity Gauntlet.

The LT interfered,
because the LT was asked to by Eternity.

In Cosmic dilemmas, it's cats like that who interfere, LT & Roma/Merlyn.

But there are other proven Omniversal powers that could surely overpower the IG.
But that's not their job, that's not how Marvel comics work.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
CN = UN ... and I'm being generous concerning the UN. smile A little too generous, I'd say.

The CN seems to be the more powerful weapon, by far.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
A little too generous, I'd say.

The CN seems to be the more powerful weapon, by far.

thumb up I agree. yes

I just didn't want to get into a massive debate about it,
and it still got me there anyway. laughing out loud

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
laughing

Jaspers in a horrific Stomp.

And the UN would not help G at all,
because Nullifiers can't penetrate Jaspers' Warp.

No but the UN can create a Area of Un Space which would leave jaspers vulnarable and since Jaspers Warp is growing from his own body I see no reason why the said reality around him couldn't be destroyed and in that way stop his reality warp from growing thus leaving him vulnarable.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
No but the UN can create a Area of Un Space which would leave jaspers vulnarable and since Jaspers Warp is growing from his own body I see no reason why the said reality around him couldn't be destroyed and in that way stop his reality warp from growing thus leaving him vulnarable.

If that move would've been plausible, Merlyn would've used it.

Merlyn specifically stated that Nullification would not stop Jaspers.

Btw.

As far as nullifying the Space around Jaspers,
that wouldn't work either.

Jaspers can actually create an expansion, from withIN a tiny area.
Because Jaspers can accomplish the irrational.


Even the Writer basically says, that Jaspers can make the impossible, possible.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5994/j4jq1.th.jpg

"It's (Fury) intended victim (CB) is snatched from it's grasp by a device,

which cannot exist. Not even then."

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8412/j5bg6.th.jpg

"The Room is far too big to fit inside MJJ's flying tea pot"
.........................................................................................


I'm telling you friend, this is why the Writers had to create a plot device
to defeat this ridiculous powerhouse.

This is why Merlyn manipulated the Fury into coming to 616,
he knew that was the ONLY way to stop Jaspers.

This is why Cobweb saw the Omniverse fall at the hands of Jaspers,
had Fury (the plot device) not stopped Jaspers.

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
If that move would've been plausible, Merlyn would've used it.

Merlyn specifically stated that Nullification would not stop Jaspers.

Btw.

As far as nullifying the Space around Jaspers,
that wouldn't work either.

Jaspers can actually create an expansion, from withIN a tiny area.
Because Jaspers can accomplish the irrational.


Even the Writer basically says, that Jaspers can make the impossible, possible.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/5994/j4jq1.th.jpg

"It's (Fury) intended victim (CB) is snatched from it's grasp by a device,

which cannot exist. Not even then."

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/8412/j5bg6.th.jpg

"The Room is far too big to fit inside MJJ's flying tea pot"
.........................................................................................


I'm telling you friend, this is why the Writers had to create a plot device
to defeat this ridiculous powerhouse.

This is why Merlyn manipulated the Fury into coming to 616,
he knew that was the ONLY way to stop Jaspers.

This is why Cobweb saw the Omniverse fall at the hands of Jaspers,
had Fury (the plot device) not stopped Jaspers.

He stated that using the CN wouldn't produce the desired effect against Jaspers. I isn't arguing that. I'm wondering whether ore not nullifying the area Around jasper that isn't in his warp wouldn't stop him dead in his tracks???

If he can extent the warp from himself then why was he vulnerable in Un Space the Sculptor never ran out of clay since he himself is reality.

IMO Fury is a bit overrated I agree he is powerful but I think people on this board are using ABC logic to show that Fury would beat practically everyone. IMO he won against fury because he found his weakness Un Space because Jasper is entirely dependent on Reality where a M-Body from Eternity doesn't have any said weaknesses that I can see fury produce before he is smacked down erm

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
He stated that using the CN wouldn't produce the desired effect against Jaspers. I isn't arguing that. I'm wondering whether ore not nullifying the area Around jasper that isn't in his warp wouldn't stop him dead in his tracks???

But if you nullify the Space around him, and you yourself are within that Space,
then you get nullified instead,
leaving Jaspers standing there in his Warp.

Thus Jaspers wins by default.

Originally posted by Utrigita
If he can extent the warp from himself then why was he vulnerable in Un Space the Sculptor never ran out of clay since he himself is reality.

Logically that's absolutely true.

That was obviously the Pis moment of the book.

They had to end the story at some point,
there was no other way to defeat the madman already so ... Pis will do.


This is why in a forum battle,

UN-Space shouldn't be a weapon against Jaspers.

Originally posted by Utrigita
IMO Fury is a bit overrated I agree he is powerful but I think people on this board are using ABC logic to show that Fury would beat practically everyone. IMO he won against fury because he found his weakness Un Space because Jasper is entirely dependent on Reality where a M-Body from Eternity doesn't have any said weaknesses that I can see fury produce before he is smacked down

If Eternity's M-body didn't have weaknesses
then Bubonicus wouldn't have been able to infect his form,
thus nearly killing the Universe itself.

Fury may be able to adapt and conjure a similar cancer.

xjustice69x
Originally posted by Mr Master

This is why in a forum battle,

UN-Space shouldn't be a weapon against Jaspers.



confused sad embarrasment

Utrigita
Originally posted by Mr Master
But if you nullify the Space around him, and you yourself are within that Space,
then you get nullified instead,
leaving Jaspers standing there in his Warp.

Thus Jaspers wins by default.

Standing there in a warp that he cannot expand to any degree leaves him open for a second blast with the UN and that would kill him since he has no Reality to draw on except himself and for some reason he apparently cannot.



Logically that's absolutely true.

That was obviously the Pis moment of the book.

They had to end the story at some point,
there was no other way to defeat the madman already so ... Pis will do.


This is why in a forum battle,

UN-Space shouldn't be a weapon against Jaspers.

Actually Unspace has to be a weapon against Jaspers in a forum match otherwise the probability off anyone defeating him is absolutely zero to anything less then the Beyonders, Havok, Captain Britain and HoM Wanda you get the picture

If Eternity's M-body didn't have weaknesses
then Bubonicus wouldn't have been able to infect his form,
thus nearly killing the Universe itself.

Fury may be able to adapt and conjure a similar cancer.

But how long time did it take for Bubonicus to find that flaw??? Also IMO there is nothing to suggest that Fury will find it before it is destroyed by Eternity.

King Kandy
BTW, the UN can attack individual targets but the CN can only destroy entire universes.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Utrigita
Standing there in a warp that he cannot expand to any degree leaves him open for a second blast with the UN and that would kill him since he has no Reality to draw on except himself and for some reason he apparently cannot.

A second blast from who?

Who ever nullified the Reality outside his Warp,
got nullified themselves.

Unless you can prove that one can nullify an entire Universe,
and stay there standing.

This argument doesn't fly my friend.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Actually Unspace has to be a weapon against Jaspers in a forum match otherwise the probability off anyone defeating him is absolutely zero to anything less then the Beyonders, Havok, Captain Britain and HoM Wanda you get the picture

Precisely. big grin

Logically speaking, we both know Jaspers should've never been defeated in Un-Space.

Because he and Fury were Reality.

Originally posted by Utrigita
But how long time did it take for Bubonicus to find that flaw???

Alot longer than it would take Fury.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Also IMO there is nothing to suggest that Fury will find it before it is destroyed by Eternity.

Well if Jaspers couldn't destroy Fury,
I can't see Eternity doing it either.

Unlike the IG, Eternity has weaknesses that can be exploited.
(not many, but he's got some)

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
BTW, the UN can attack individual targets but the CN can only destroy entire universes.

True that.

The UN is far more versatile than the CN,
there's no arguing that.

It's a hand held weapon that can erase a single being or the Multiverse.
It can also remake either.

You can't go wrong.

I'd rather the UN any day.


The CN is about a 3-4 feet apparatus,
it can only erase Universes,
and as far as I know does not remake.

The edge is, it has a greater range of targets.
(any Reality in the entire Omniverse is game)

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well if Jaspers couldn't destroy Fury,
I can't see Eternity doing it either.

Unlike the IG, Eternity has weaknesses that can be exploited.
(not many, but he's got some)
But if MJJ's weakness had been just a little bit harder to find, then he would have one. He had almost destroyed the Fury by the time the Fury figured out his weakness.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
The edge is, it has a greater range of targets.
(any Reality in the entire Omniverse is game)
Um, what makes you think that the UN can't do that as well?

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
But if MJJ's weakness had been just a little bit harder to find, then he would have one. He had almost destroyed the Fury by the time the Fury figured out his weakness.

I agree.

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, what makes you think that the UN can't do that as well?

The fact that it never has, or been stated to able to do so.

The fact that it's never even been alluded to possibly being able to.

The fact that it's a part of Galactus,
who at best = the totality of Eternity (Multiverse)


If the UN was capable of such a feat,
a mention, a hint at the very least would have been made.

But no, it's never been stated on panel, or in Galactus' bio or the UN's own bio.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Mr Master
The fact that it never has, or been stated to able to do so.

The fact that it's never even been alluded to possibly being able to.

The fact that it's a part of Galactus,
who at best = the totality of Eternity (Multiverse)


If the UN was capable of such a feat,
a mention, a hint at the very least would have been made.

But no, it's never been stated on panel, or in Galactus' bio or the UN's own bio.
Um, it seems to me that that logic is a bit poor... It's never been shown to be limited to the core multiverse, so it seems like you are inventing weaknesses that don't exist...

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, it seems to me that that logic is a bit poor...

As poor as your logic?

Don't judge my view, counter it, but don't judge.


Originally posted by King Kandy
it's never been shown to be limited to the core multiverse,
Originally posted by Mr Master
The fact that it never has, or been stated to able to do so.

The fact that it's never even been alluded to possibly being able to.

The fact that it's a part of Galactus,
who at best = the totality of Eternity (Multiverse)


If the UN was capable of such a feat,
a mention, a hint at the very least would have been made.

But no, it's never been stated on panel, or in Galactus' bio or the UN's own bio.

Originally posted by King Kandy
so it seems like you are inventing weaknesses that don't exist...

And by that same token,
it seems you're inventing extra abilities that don't exist either. smile

llagrok
Originally posted by King Kandy
Um, it seems to me that that logic is a bit poor... It's never been shown to be limited to the core multiverse, so it seems like you are inventing weaknesses that don't exist...

That logic works against you as well :/

King Kandy
What you are saying, is akin to saying "I've never seen you eat cheese, so clearly you can't."

llagrok
Originally posted by King Kandy
What you are saying, is akin to saying "I've never seen you eat cheese, so clearly you can't."

Nooo, just saying you don't have any feats that back up Galactus becoming even stronger than Eternity.

Mr Master
Originally posted by King Kandy
What you are saying, is akin to saying "I've never seen you eat cheese, so clearly you can't."
Originally posted by King Kandy
The fact that it never has, or been stated to able to do so.

The fact that it's never even been alluded to possibly being able to.

The fact that it's a part of Galactus,
who at best = the totality of Eternity (Multiverse)


If the UN was capable of such a feat,
a mention, a hint at the very least would have been made.

But no, it's never been stated on panel, or in Galactus' bio or the UN's own bio.

When you present proof,

I'll gladly upgrade the UN's range with pleasure.

Until then,
I'll stick with what Marvel has established,
and allocated as facts.

All we know according to Marvel on panel depictions,
is that the UN's range reaches the entire Prime Multiverse.


And if we go by the Official Marvel Handbook Update of Mid-Summer 2007:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3721/2007oh2.th.jpg
"UN - Extraterrestrial device which can obliterate an entire Universe"


Ouch.

It's not even Multiversal erm


(retcon?) hm

Bransolute
Originally posted by Mr Master
When you present proof,

I'll gladly upgrade the UN's range with pleasure.

Until then,
I'll stick with what Marvel has established,
and allocated as facts.

All we know according to Marvel on panel depictions,
is that the UN's range reaches the entire Prime Multiverse.


And if we go by the Official Marvel Handbook Update of Mid-Summer 2007:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3721/2007oh2.th.jpg
"UN - Extraterrestrial device which can obliterate an entire Universe"


Ouch.

It's not even Multiversal erm


(retcon?) hm Wow... no expression

norrinradd43
Originally posted by starlock
if the surfer can shut off cables x gene, i bet galactus can shut off mjj's

Galactus for the easy win Thats a very good point

batdude123
Originally posted by Mr Master
When you present proof,

I'll gladly upgrade the UN's range with pleasure.

Until then,
I'll stick with what Marvel has established,
and allocated as facts.

All we know according to Marvel on panel depictions,
is that the UN's range reaches the entire Prime Multiverse.


And if we go by the Official Marvel Handbook Update of Mid-Summer 2007:

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/3721/2007oh2.th.jpg
"UN - Extraterrestrial device which can obliterate an entire Universe"


Ouch.

It's not even Multiversal erm


(retcon?) hm

Damn... and you used to argue so hard back in the day to convince people that the UN is multiversal in power. sad

Bransolute
Originally posted by batdude123
Damn... and you used to argue so hard back in the day to convince people that the UN is multiversal in power. sad And used to argue so hard against bios... and then, that only if bios were backed up on-panel... and now...

batdude123
Originally posted by Bransolute
And used to argue so hard against bios... and then, that only if bios were backed up on-panel... and now...

He's changing right before our eyes. awesome

Mr Master
Originally posted by batdude123
Damn...

and you used to argue so hard back in the day to convince people that the UN is multiversal in power.

And who's changing their view? dontgetit

I've never tried to convince anyone btw dogs,

the On Panel facts are clear.
They do the convinceing for me.

Originally posted by Bransolute


And used to argue so hard against bios... and then,

that only if bios were backed up on-panel... and now...
Originally posted by batdude123
He's changing right before our eyes.
yawn
Originally posted by Mr Master


All we know according to Marvel ON PANEL depictions,

is that the UN's range reaches the entire Prime MULTIVERSE.


AND IF we go by the Official Marvel Handbook Update of Mid-Summer 2007:

Yall should pay attention before making accusations. smile

I've been stating that the UN is Multiversal for the last 3 pages. stoned

I only threw that bio in as a cute goof,
cause circles were beginning to form in this UN/CN debate.
(yall some serious minded cats if yall didn't see that)


Anyways, back to business.

TricksterPriest
Originally posted by Mr Master
And who's changing their view? dontgetit

I've never tried to convince anyone btw dogs,

the On Panel facts are clear.
They do the convinceing for me.



yawn


Yall should pay attention before making accusations. smile

I've been stating that the UN is Multiversal for the last 3 pages. stoned

I only threw that bio in as a cute goof,
cause circles were beginning to form in this UN/CN debate.
(yall some serious minded cats if yall didn't see that)


Anyways, back to business.

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MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!! durbeware

Mr Master
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA!!! durbeware

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