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who would win in a ultimate fight of phoenix and cyclops vs wolverine and storm

Originally posted by cyclops_92
who would win in a ultimate fight of phoenix and cyclops vs wolverine and storm

is this a spite? it must be

Originally posted by cyclops_92
who would win in a ultimate fight of phoenix and cyclops vs wolverine and storm

Who the hell do you think would win?

Phoenix beats em all

Storm could beat the three of them by herself.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Storm could beat the three of them by herself. Did you absorb 2damnloud's fanboyism when he was banned, or did yours mutate into an even more hideous monster?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you absorb 2damnloud's fanboyism when he was banned, or did yours mutate into an even more hideous monster?

No. I'm just a brilliant guy with a great deal of common sense. I can't help it if everyone else isn't as gifted. That said, she summons one tornado and the other three characters are gone.

I think Storm couls take on Phoenix, don't know if she'd win though, but it's possible with what she's shown and her history.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I think Storm couls take on Phoenix, don't know if she'd win though, but it's possible with what she's shown and her history.

dur

Cyclops one-shots Storm and watches as Phoenix dismantles Logan atom by atom.

Originally posted by Soljer
Cyclops one-shots Storm and watches as Phoenix dismantles Logan atom by atom.

@ her doding every last one and and beating the living shit out of him h2h.

Then both she and Phoenix go at it.

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Originally posted by Silent Master
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with that, cyclops solos...

Wolves and STORM!?!?!

Spite!

Pr, lock this.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I think Storm couls take on Phoenix, don't know if she'd win though, but it's possible with what she's shown and her history.

Originally posted by Rutog98
No. I'm just a brilliant guy with a great deal of common sense. You shoiuld try actually using that brilliance or common sense sometime in your life.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I can't help it if everyone else isn't as gifted. I'm glad I'm not "gifted" by bias. I'm glad I'm gifted with logic instead.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That said, she summons one tornado and the other three characters are gone. This is where you could use that "brilliance" of yours... rather than the bias you're gifted with.

Phoenix>Universe>Galactus>Tornado
Phoenix>Storm

Storm ain't winning this.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
@ her doding every last one and and beating the living shit out of him h2h. You're right that is laughable.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
:Then both she and Phoenix go at it. In bikini's wrestling in like oil or something.

Which Phoenix?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You shoiuld try actually using that brilliance or common sense sometime in your life.

I'm glad I'm not "gifted" by bias. I'm glad I'm gifted with logic instead.

This is where you could use that "brilliance" of yours... rather than the bias you're gifted with.

Phoenix>Universe>Galactus>Tornado
Phoenix>Storm

Storm ain't winning this.

I thought we were talking about plain Jean Grey here, not the PF.

Oh, and Storm>Phoenix

Originally posted by Rutog98
Oh, and Storm>Phoenix

Well of course; Storm can like make it very windy out and Phoenix would like get cold and like she'd need to go get a sweater or something!!!

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Well of course; Storm can like make it very windy out and Phoenix would like get cold and like she'd need to go get a sweater or something!!!

Well, if Ororo can contain the essense of Eternity in her body, I don't see what Phoenix can do. Phoenix is life, right? Storm aborbs life and becomes more powerful. She can potentially wield limitless power.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Well, if Ororo can contain the essense of Eternity in her body, I don't see what Phoenix can do. Phoenix is life, right? Storm aborbs life and becomes more powerful. She can potentially wield limitless power.

omg, that is top 5 dumbest posts ive ever had the privelage to read

dur

Originally posted by Kurash
omg, that is top 5 dumbest posts ive ever had the privelage to read

dur

She can potentially evolve beyond humanity into a real goddess. This is canon. X-Treme issue 5. She can potentially wield powers on that of the PF level. Uncanny 147. She easily contained the essense of Eternity. Fantastic Four issue 553, I believe. She has summoned the full power of millions of stars. Uncanny 165. She single-handedly overpowered the Trion, the sum of an entire reality's past, present and future and personification of the fundamental forces of that reality.

Originally posted by Rutog98
She can potentially evolve beyond humanity into a real goddess. This is canon. X-Treme issue 5. She can potentially wield powers on that of the PF level. Uncanny 147. She easily contained the essense of Eternity. Fantastic Four issue 553, I believe. She has summoned the full power of millions of stars. Uncanny 165. She single-handedly overpowered the Trion, the sum of an entire reality's past, present and future and personification of the fundamental forces of that reality.



dur

According to Mr Master, Phoenix is not even all that powerful amongst her peers.

Originally posted by Rutog98
I thought we were talking about plain Jean Grey here, not the PF.It says phoenix.. last phoenix we saw was White phoenix of the crown.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Oh, and Storm>Phoenix Not in the comics she's not.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
According to Mr Master, Phoenix is not even all that powerful amongst her peers. According to Mister Master that is... however he mixes the hostless phoenix force with jean alot... and the hostless phoenix force isn't a match for jean with the phoenix force... this was shown when she ripped the phoenix force out of emma in endsong.

And Phoenix>Storm

ESPECIALLY the white phoenix.

Originally posted by Rutog98
She can potentially evolve beyond humanity into a real goddess. And she can potentially be killed off by a random villian, and she can potentially be depowered, and she can potentially continue to exists as she is.

Originally posted by Rutog98
This is canon. X-Treme issue 5. She can potentially wield powers on that of the PF level. Uncanny 147. She easily contained the essense of Eternity. Fantastic Four issue 553, I believe. She has summoned the full power of millions of stars. Uncanny 165. She single-handedly overpowered the Trion, the sum of an entire reality's past, present and future and personification of the fundamental forces of that reality. Wow, if you wank her any harder with misinterpritations and lack of concrete evidence you might briuse something.

Silly fools, Storm solos, she is more of a Classic Beyonder level character.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Well, if Ororo can contain the essense of Eternity in her body, I don't see what Phoenix can do.
Collapse the universe in on itself?

That was what Jean was holding that one time wasn't it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
Did you absorb 2damnloud's fanboyism when he was banned, or did yours mutate into an even more hideous monster?
2damned Loud was banned? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. OMG we are losing all the good fan boyz.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I think Storm couls take on Phoenix, don't know if she'd win though, but it's possible with what she's shown and her history.

thank goodness. your back. And No. Storm cannot take phoenix. You do realize that Phoenix was shown using tk on such a lvl that she actually restructured matter. Do you know what kind of power and skill that takes. To be a matter manipulator as a Secondary effect of your TK being so precise and wicked? I know no other TK users in the history of comics who solely have TK who can transmute matter with just TK. She will turn storms heart into stone.

Uncanny 147 said nothing about Storm's power level being equal to Phoenix.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
thank goodness. your back. And No. Storm cannot take phoenix. You do realize that Phoenix was shown using tk on such a lvl that she actually restructured matter. Do you know what kind of power and skill that takes. To be a matter manipulator as a Secondary effect of your TK being so precise and wicked? I know no other TK users in the history of comics who solely have TK who can transmute matter with just TK. She will turn storms heart into stone.

I don't think she'd win, but it is possible.

Storm's been shown to do major shit on that cosmic level with varitable ease, maybe not as intricately, but still.

I wrote CC on the other board about her summoning the full composite power of those millions of stars, since it's often been degraded through willful ignorance, and he basically said YES, she did do it. BUT she was much younger and had no conception of her limitations.

This leads me to believe that it's really her own perception and self-imposed limits that hold her back.

It's really no telling what she is capable of doing.

I don't think she'd win against Phoenix, though, but the possibilities are literally endless.

It wouldn't be out of the norm if infact she did win...........easily

Cyclops' beam is concussive so that means being hit by it is like being hit by a solid beam of light or being hit by a bullet traveling at light speed. Now if Scott uses a wide beam it will be like a big wall coming at Storm and Wolverine at light speed.

Originally posted by psy_blade
Cyclops' beam is concussive so that means being hit by it is like being hit by a solid beam of light or being hit by a bullet traveling at light speed. Now if Scott uses a wide beam it will be like a big wall coming at Storm and Wolverine at light speed.

It takes A LOT of time for him do that

Storm would be up in the air before that happends, anways.

You ignore the fact that she has easily dodged it in the past.

And let's say she doesn't dodge. She can still block it/redirected with winds or a wind/electrical combo.

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Or rediect it:
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Or just block the shit all together:

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Or she just kills him before he even get's a blast off.

You see, before he can put his hand to his visor and think about shooting, he would be on the ground smoking and twitching.

Now it's Storm and Logan vs Phoenix.

Originally posted by Soljer
Cyclops one-shots Storm and watches as Phoenix dismantles Logan atom by atom.

I love these threads. Laughter is indeed good for the joints.

I don't think it takes a lot of time for Cyclops to fire any type of beam, needle thin or wall wide. Can you post your source about Cyclops taking time to fire beams.

Storm's dodging Cyclop's blast was PIS, Storm is not Flash to be able to dodge normal bullets let alone beams travelling at light speed. And Cyclops wad doing that gattling gun type of blasting. Its like when the writers had Superman did the same type of blast to Wonder Woman just to make WW be able to deflect Supe's heat vision with her bracelets.

And it was Jean who deflected the metal shards controlled by Polaris in that scan.

And Storm's wind shield can only deflect debris because its just a strong wind. It's not a real shield. It can't deflect energy beams except for fire, it can only deflect bricks and wood etc.

Is it Astonishing X-Men where Scotts visor is now activated Psionically?



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Originally posted by psy_blade
I don't think it takes a lot of time for Cyclops to fire any type of beam, needle thin or wall wide. Can you post your source about Cyclops taking time to fire beams.

Storm's dodging Cyclop's blast was PIS, Storm is not Flash to be able to dodge normal bullets let alone beams travelling at light speed. And Cyclops wad doing that gattling gun type of blasting. Its like when the writers had Superman did the same type of blast to Wonder Woman just to make WW be able to deflect Supe's heat vision with her bracelets.

And it was Jean who deflected the metal shards controlled by Polaris in that scan.

And Storm's wind shield can only deflect debris because its just a strong wind. It's not a real shield. It can't deflect energy beams except for fire, it can only deflect bricks and wood etc.

Storm's reflexes are faster than what you think.

Why are they fast??

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There's a clue.

She has a crucial edge in ANY fight.

Cuncussive force can be block by a wind sheild.

Storm blocked Polaris's magnetic force bolts with wind in that scan to the point that it forced Polaris to expend all of her energy.

Cyclops dies in matter of seconds, maybe less.

On to Phoenix

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Is it Astonishing X-Men where Scotts visor is now activated Psionically?



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Won't keep him alive:

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ermmhappy

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Won't keep him alive:

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ermmhappy

So Madeylne Pyor was added to Storm and Wolvey's team then?

Using a fight where he was being mentally influenced, that is just sad.

Originally posted by Soljer
Cyclops one-shots Storm and watches as Phoenix dismantles Logan atom by atom.

All the more reason he loses.

A good fighter can fight no matter what.

Kinda like Storm who kicked Callisto's ass while simultaneously being physically mentally assaulted by the much vaunted "psi-bolt"

She wins just off the strength of her being......well........A BETTER FIGHTER.

She owns him.

It should also be mentioned that Callisto fights at superspeed.doped

Storm owned her.

Cyclops is not even a fart in the wind.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Storm's reflexes are faster than what you think.

Why are they fast??

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld38nt.jpg
http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=energyworld42xc.jpg

There's a clue.

She has a crucial edge in ANY fight.

Cuncussive force can be block by a wind sheild.

Storm blocked Polaris's magnetic force bolts with wind in that scan to the point that it forced Polaris to expend all of her energy.

Cyclops dies in matter of seconds, maybe less.

On to Phoenix

Yes but it won't help her much because all Scott has to do is look at her. And her wind shield won't stop Scott's blast, it can only deflect debris. If her shield can deflect blasts then she would've used it more often like other mutants with shield.

And in the scan, Storm saved Colossus but it was Jean who saved Wolverine. Jean create a tk shield to deflect Polaris' metal shards not Storm.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It should also be mentioned that Callisto fights at superspeed.doped

Storm owned her.

Cyclops is not even a fart in the wind. The moveis are not canon.

Cyclops one shot's Storm

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It takes A LOT of time for him do that

Storm would be up in the air before that happends, anways.

You ignore the fact that she has easily dodged it in the past.

And let's say she doesn't dodge. She can still block it/redirected with winds or a wind/electrical combo.

http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen24010ih4.jpg
http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maliced4vi.jpg

Or rediect it:
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenunlimited0114oe7.jpg
http://img361.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenunlimited0142fb5.jpg

Or just block the shit all together:

http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome14ac.jpg
http://img134.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pressuredome21bz.jpg

Or she just kills him before he even get's a blast off.

You see, before he can put his hand to his visor and think about shooting, he would be on the ground smoking and twitching.

Now it's Storm and Logan vs Phoenix.


None of those scans depict her as deflecting/blocking/redirecting pure concussive energy, which is what Cyke's optic blasts are.
You're just grasping at straws here, but what should we except from someone who brings racial matters to comic book debates

Go back to your Storm hentai.

don't take anything 2damn says serious, he doesn't believe most of what he's saying, he's just being a troll.

rutog is worse, at least 2damnloud says that phoenix would probably win (even though she would definately win) whereas rutog says storm>>phoenix

yeah, rutog actually believes all the crap he and 2damn spout.

Storm could absorb the power of the omniverse if she had the will to.

Originally posted by Violent2Dope
Storm could absorb the power of the omniverse if she had the will to.

This match isn't fair.

Cyclops > Wolverine
Phoenix (i assume it's just phoenix IV the omega mutant) > Storm

it should be

Cyclops and Storm vs. Wolverine and Phoenix

Storm ain't dodging nothing. Cyclops tagged Northstar. Northstar is hundreds of times faster than Storm.

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Originally posted by #1110
Storm ain't dodging nothing. Cyclops tagged Northstar. Northstar is hundreds of times faster than Storm.

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Either he caught Northstar by surprise or Northstar was written with PIS since his reaction speed is hundreds of times faster than Scott's. See how your argument works against you?

Originally posted by Rutog98
Either he caught Northstar by surprise or Northstar was written with PIS since his reaction speed is hundreds of times faster than Scott's. See how your argument works against you?

You know it's always gonna be some kinda lie or fallacy or double standard when it comes to these "debates".

Case-in-point.ermmhappy

Originally posted by 2damnloud
You know it's always gonna be some kinda lie or fallacy or double standard when it comes to these "debates".

Case-in-point.ermmhappy Whenever you're involved that ALWAYS happens so yeah, you're right. Regardless of who else is.

Considering you're the idiots that think Storm could ever defeat Phoenix, I would say that there is no double standard.