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Spiderman vs Sabertooth

Spiderman, he's faced much worse and faired well.

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Originally posted by KharmaDog
Spiderman, he's faced much worse and faired well. You know that will be countered with... "he can't beat Wolverine, so how can he beat Sabretooth?"

I myself won't comment yet...

Originally posted by KharmaDog
Spiderman, he's faced much worse and faired well. He can't beat wolverine, so how can he beat saber tooth?

Just kidding, spider-sense, webs and spider strength at least seven out of ten.

Spiderman handles Sabretooth like he handles Wolverine.

They've fought already, haven't they?

Originally posted by FOOM
They've fought already, haven't they?

yeah they fought on more than one occasion. One battle left Sabretooth missing some of his face because he decided to pull off the webbing spider man left.

Originally posted by FOOM
They've fought already, haven't they?

Sabertooth was a Spiderman villain back in the day.


Spiderman should win 7-8/10.

When did this happen?????

Spider-Man 8/10. Easy

They fought before. Spiderman won with no problem. Funnily, too.

Spiderman is king.
If Wolvie's sales start to go down, he will be choking on webs also.

Spidey.

Spidey, by K.O.

sabertooth easily

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
Spidey.

Sabretooth wins... easily.

He has thermo vision so Spidies invisiblity is a non-factor and they are comparable in both strength and speed. We are talking about a guy who has got into knuckle dragging slug fests with the likes of Ms Marvel and more then held his own. He has even koed Rogue in a few hits... and even before his last upgrade he took on both Spider-man and Punisher at the same time. Sabretooth wins, he is too visious and too much for Spider-man to take down.

So despite the neverending "xxx beat or faced xxxx battle", how does Sabretooth win? I feel that is a fair and nonassuming question.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So despite the neverending "xxx beat or faced xxxx battle", how does Sabretooth win? I feel that is a fair and nonassuming question.

... by beating the tar out of him?

So how does he touch him, assuming there are 3 ways he won't?
I do agree Peter is in the disadvantage in h2h.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So how does he touch him, assuming there are 3 ways he won't?
I do agree Peter is in the disadvantage in h2h.

Spider-man can dodge, and I'm being extremely generous here, three out four of Victors attacks. That isn't enough to keep him alive. His organic webbing isn't strong enough to hold Victor and he can't avoid him for ever. At the end of the day Spider-man is fighting to lose because no matter how long the fight takes he can't win.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man can dodge, and I'm being extremely generous here, three out four of Victors attacks. I dont think a Spiderman at his best will have too much problem dodgin creed unless Creed has the Venom symbiote.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
That isn't enough to keep him alive. His organic webbing isn't strong enough to hold Victor and he can't avoid him for ever.

Spiderman can't break his own webbing. If he was bound by it, it's 120lb per mm tensile strength. Of course he could be a cheapass and stand on a wall for a stalemate, or higher ground.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
At the end of the day Spider-man is fighting to lose because no matter how long the fight takes he can't win. He can only win one way. so I'm not sure if I'd bet on him, but Creed still doesn't possess the physicality to overwhelm him outside of endurance period.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I dont think a Spiderman at his best will have too much problem dodgin creed unless Creed has the Venom symbiote.



Spiderman can't break his own webbing. If he was bound by it, it's 120lb per mm tensile strength. Of course he could be a cheapass and stand on a wall for a stalemate, or higher ground.

He can only win one way. so I'm not sure if I'd bet on him, but Creed still doesn't possess the physicality to overwhelm him outside of endurance period.

Spider-man's speed is constantly blown way out of porportion. He is constantly being hit by streets (the best of which are slower then Creed, I might add) because difference is hardly worth writing home about. If you think it is with in Spider-man's abilities to dance around Creed with out getting hit, then there is an unopen bottle of supscription pills somewhere that your doctor should know about.


I'll concided that Spider-man climb a wall and hide out of Creed's reach (although... he could scale a wall fairly easily)... and that is about as close to a win as Spider-man will get.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man's speed is constantly blown way out of porportion. He is constantly being hit by streets (the best of which are slower then Creed, I might add) because difference is hardly worth writing home about. If you think it is with in Spider-man's abilities to dance around Creed with out getting hit, then there is an unopen bottle of supscription pills somewhere that your doctor should know about.


I'll concided that Spider-man climb a wall and hide out of Creed's reach (although... he could scale a wall fairly easily)... and that is about as close to a win as Spider-man will get.

good posting; people dont understand that spiderman get hit all the time, they always think that he can avoid ALL attacks when thats not true. I give spiderman credit he is fast but you can say the same for creed. In a fight against creed spiderman is going to need the assistance of punisher again because if we're talking about the current sabertooth that has the upgrade in strength, healing factor, adamantium claws, upgrade in strength and his senses being upgraded also, then spiderman is toast. Like I continuously say, thats all it takes is one good slice and the fight is over and Sabertooth WILL get that spiderman fans. If Rhino could do it and if kraven can do it, if the old man vulture can do it, if blade can do it, if elektra can do it, you get my point, then sabertooth can do it with no problem. And can you all stop bringing up spiderman strength, it aint going to do nothing to sabertooth but make him madder and make him want to taste spiderman blood more. Now if you have spiderman vs the sabertooth back in the early 90's, sabertooth will give as good as it takes but he's going down but current sabertooth will laugh at spiderman effort.

I love hypocrisy. BTW I'm not the one who goes around saying that Spiderman is unhittable or anything like that, so don't mix me up with others. I think Peter stands a odd chance of getting hit, but I think he should be hit much less than he does when he fights peak humans.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Spider-man's speed is constantly blown way out of porportion. He is constantly being hit by streets (the best of which are slower then Creed, I might add) because difference is hardly worth writing home about. If you think it is with in Spider-man's abilities to dance around Creed with out getting hit, then there is an unopen bottle of supscription pills somewhere that your doctor should know about.



Well the same thing can be said about Wolverine, his healing factor is WAY taken out of proportion, Wolverine and Sabretooth are more often hurt by street levelers, but the superfans want to use only his high showings. But when Spiderman's side does the same thing it's taken out of proportion? That's so funny. Because there are dozens of examples to the contrary to Logan and Creed's uber feats. But since you and Wolverine 1-1000 don't like it, they don't count? Cute. This is exactly why I hate feat wars. There's no way you'll convince me that Spidemran can't dodge Sabes when he's dodged guys like Carnage and Ocks tentacles quite often, and there's no way I'm convincing people who think Logan can break the sound barrier that he's getting hurt with by hits from Spiderman, although others do it time and time again. So this will just get circular, too bad I'm not bothering to fuel it further.

Originally posted by carver9
good posting; people dont understand that spiderman get hit all the time, they always think that he can avoid ALL attacks when thats not true. I give spiderman credit he is fast but you can say the same for creed. In a fight against creed spiderman is going to need the assistance of punisher again because if we're talking about the current sabertooth that has the upgrade in strength, healing factor, adamantium claws, upgrade in strength and his senses being upgraded also, then spiderman is toast. Like I continuously say, thats all it takes is one good slice and the fight is over and Sabertooth WILL get that spiderman fans. If Rhino could do it and if kraven can do it, if the old man vulture can do it, if blade can do it, if elektra can do it, you get my point, then sabertooth can do it with no problem. And can you all stop bringing up spiderman strength, it aint going to do nothing to sabertooth but make him madder and make him want to taste spiderman blood more. Now if you have spiderman vs the sabertooth back in the early 90's, sabertooth will give as good as it takes but he's going down but current sabertooth will laugh at spiderman effort. Another Weapon X fanboy, I see your sig is spelled wrong, . People say that Wolverine and Creed can take all of Spiderman's attacks, but that's just not true. Sabretooth isn't breaking out of Spiderman's webbing because he isn't strong enough. If a deer could do it, if DD could hurt him, if Cap can hurt him, doesn't that lead you to conclude that someone dozens of times stronger can? Current Spiderman is also faster, more agile, and has better reflexes and precog.

I wouldn't bother brining up all of Spiderman's getting hit on the account his precog isn't written to it's descripted abilities, that and Spiderman holds back. I love how you bring up low end villans like Craven, Deers and elk anyone?

This fight i would give to Sabertooth 6/10.

Why you ask well, think about it he is almost a combined version of Wolverine and Spider-man, Spider-man's strength and speed (or close enough to hit him anyway) (Oh and not agility) combined with Wolverines Healing, adamantium skeleton and claws and his endurance.

Now you may say Spider-man can web him in such a way Creed won't be able to use his claws, well whats to stop him from say pulling the wall down around him from what he's webbed too. (Also note that Spider-man can break his own webbing, or at least strands of it, i'm not sure if he can rip through a paste of it.) But on that note the webbing can be used to slow creed down enough to be pummled by Spider-man untill he gets free.

Also Creed is as durable as Spider-man, or more so probally, and I know someone is going to say Wolverine is more durable but thats not true, it's easier to hurt Logan but he heals from it far to quickly for it to be a problem, with Creed you have that healing and the durability. To be honest Giving Spider-man 4 wins is almost generous, but he still has his superior speed, webbing, and he is still stronger (probaly by about 5 tons or so but still enough to cause damage) hell he may even be able to overload Creeds healing factor using his stingers in the fight aswell, and if not them just use his Iron suit's liquid meatl to make a set of claws like he did against Stergon.

So Sabertooth 6/10 for being just overall more powerful.

Spider-man gets 4 for more extoic fighting styles.

Oh and before I forget I'm getting tired of hearing people whine "Well Spider-man gets hit by Kraven so he can be hit !!" so what, would you read a comic where the character never got hit. Spider-man is aways down played around those characters to make the fight more like, well a fight. Not only that, but no matter what power set someone has and how unlikley they shouldn't be overpowerd or hit, they are, to make the story more intresting, thats just the way of comics.

For example Spider-man gets hit by Kingpin. The Hulk is hurt by a headbut from Wolverine. Hell there was even a part in "Spider-man/Black cat Evil that men do" where Cat sucker punche's Spider-man even comments on how his Spider-sense didn't warn him overpowers him webs him to the floor and runs away, did it make sense no, did it move the story along and keep it intresting, yes yes it did.

All this said certain characters shouldn't be able to hit Spider-man such as Daredevil because he isn't even close to Spidey's speed, but characters such as well Sabertooth have Speed close enough to Spidey's to hit him, you just have to know when to draw the line of, plot development and when they should hit them.

Hope all that made sense to someone besides me.

Ok Tha C-Master you make some good points if they actually was true. If spiderman hold back in the speed department, why did he easily cirlcled around morlun punches when he was getting clobbered, hmmmm that makes you think. What happened was spiderman almost got beaten to death, he should have pressed that button on the back of his neck and used his flash speed and dodged morlun punches. Spiderman is overrated on this site more than anyone I have ever seen, I thought superman fans was bias but you all have them won by a long shot. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around silver surfer all day. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around hulk all day, when this guy almost get stalemated by a old man in a vulture uniform. It dont make any sense to me. Like I said before sabertooth will get a cut off spiderman and it would happen easily. I almost forgot, I did see a very,very, very short fight between spiderman and x-23 and guess what happened, it ended with x-23 claws against spiderman kneck, ending with him complimenting her speed. Im glad that she's a hero or we would have been 1 less of a spider, with flash speed.

Originally posted by carver9
Ok Tha C-Master you make some good points if they actually was true. If spiderman hold back in the speed department, why did he easily cirlcled around morlun punches when he was getting clobbered, hmmmm that makes you think. What happened was spiderman almost got beaten to death, he should have pressed that button on the back of his neck and used his flash speed and dodged morlun punches. Spiderman is overrated on this site more than anyone I have ever seen, I thought superman fans was bias but you all have them won by a long shot. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around silver surfer all day. I have seen people say that spiderman can circle around hulk all day, when this guy almost get stalemated by a old man in a vulture uniform. It dont make any sense to me. Like I said before sabertooth will get a cut off spiderman and it would happen easily. I almost forgot, I did see a very,very, very short fight between spiderman and x-23 and guess what happened, it ended with x-23 claws against spiderman kneck, ending with him complimenting her speed. Im glad that she's a hero or we would have been 1 less of a spider, with flash speed.

like I said learn to draw the line, he didn't dance around morlun because morlun also had super speed, enough to keep up with Spider-man, so he could hit Spider-man.

Now Spider-man circling around silver surfer is just stupid, unless Surfer is letting him because he knows Spider-man can't hurt him.

And was the X-23 fight in Marvel team up? when they both fell through a window and stopped fighting?

Spiderman and x23 met on more than 1 occasion thats the 2nd time they met, Im referring to the 1st time, the feral x23 and she easily subdued spiderman and had him scared. When she popped the claws out he realized that she was affiliated with wolverine. X23 own spiderman just like sabertooth can own spiderman. Can someone please give me all the battles that was made with spiderrman vs sabertooth, I dont know how to use the search. The reason Im asking for it is because 1 guy put all the comics of spiderman and wolverine encounters and spiderman and sabertooth encounters. When you look at them that should answer you question about spiderman and sabertooth because when spiderman and punisher teamed up to fight sabertooth, sabertooth grabbed spiderman by the kneck and was going to claw him in the back but he let spiderman go and jumped out the window to complete a mission that he was being paid for. The guy also showed other pages where spiderman showed complete fear of wolverine and where wolverine easily beat spiderman. Im going to look for it.

Originally posted by carver9
Spiderman and x23 met on more than 1 occasion thats the 2nd time they met, Im referring to the 1st time, the feral x23 and she easily subdued spiderman and had him scared. When she popped the claws out he realized that she was affiliated with wolverine. X23 own spiderman just like sabertooth can own spiderman. Can someone please give me all the battles that was made with spiderrman vs sabertooth, I dont know how to use the search. The reason Im asking for it is because 1 guy put all the comics of spiderman and wolverine encounters and spiderman and sabertooth encounters. When you look at them that should answer you question about spiderman and sabertooth because when spiderman and punisher teamed up to fight sabertooth, sabertooth grabbed spiderman by the kneck and was going to claw him in the back but he let spiderman go and jumped out the window to complete a mission that he was being paid for. The guy also showed other pages where spiderman showed complete fear of wolverine and where wolverine easily beat spiderman. Im going to look for it.

Well in marvel team up she didn't "own" Spider-man, they just tusseld a little then fell through a window, garnted she had her hands around his neck but he could have easily got out of that, but the fight was cut short so....

Sparks this should end this sabertooth and spiderman debate



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Originally posted by carver9
Sparks this should end this sabertooth and spiderman debate



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that actualy goes into Spider-man's favour lol, he himself in harms way so Punisher would shoot Sabertooth, dosne't realy proove much anyway...

There's an explanation for this feat. Wolverine was echanced by Apocalypse's tech at the time. In a previous X-men issue he broke down a titanium door (which was reinforced by X-man at the time) with just his fists.

Originally posted by Jyppe
There's an explanation for this feat. Wolverine was echanced by Apocalypse's tech at the time. In a previous X-men issue he broke down a titanium door (which was reinforced by X-man at the time) with just his fists.

Oh yeah I forgot about that lol, havent read that comic in a long time.

Spiderman is to freaking fast. He can not be touched! The man has spider sense and also has enough strength to KO anybody.

Spiderman could kill Wolverine and all his friends with one finger, so I don't see how Sabertooth can even keep up with Spiderman. Yes, I will ignore his upgrades because he is a Wolverine Villian. Anything or anybody to do with Wolverine loses to Spiderman you freaking Wolverine Fanboys, get it through your head.


Spiderman is not over rated and is the most hated character on the boards so everyone trie sto make him lose. Even IGN had a tourniment with alot of Marvel characters and Spiderman ended up beating Magneto but then the people at IGn got mad and said this!

"October 23, 2006 - We at IGN Comics are able to accept a lot of odd things. When we left Gambit off of our Top 25 X-Men list, we understood when many of you wanted to cut off our limbs. When we review dozens of comics each week, we figure some of you will be mad that we didn't get around to Krypto. We even (almost) understand how many of you are still under the impression that Onslaught was a great idea. Somehow, somewhere, we have developed an understanding of these opinions.


But there is no way Spider-Man wins our Ultimate Marvel tournament.
While we are sure there were other injustices in the voting, the fact that Peter Parker managed to defeat the Hulk, Silver Surfer, Thor and Magneto is just a bit much for us to handle. We thought we'd walk you through our choices for the tournament. We are willing to accept a fairly broad range of scenarios for these fights."

How dare these people take a win from Spiderman. Grr, people underestimate Spiderman Greaty. I hate Wolverine Fanboys Curse you Srank

*Goes back to sleep*

Originally posted by carver9
Sparks this should end this sabertooth and spiderman debate



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That doesn't end anything. It's a scenario

Can we agree that Wolverine and Sabretooth are very similar with equal attributes in most cases? Good!
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Here is what was really said.

Spiderman- Logan you ok?
Logan- Yeah Im just waiting for my healing factor to kick in. The guy packs a punch. I guess I am not as fast I thought.
Spiderman- You got that right.
Logan- Shut up! Smart ass.
Spiderman- Ok! I am going to draw his fire because your not fast enough, and while he is distracted do your stuff.
Spiderman- What would you do If I was not here.
Logan- Its a good thing you are because, i dont wanna know the answer to that.
Spiderman- Watch and learn Logan
Logan- Damn showoff

Originally posted by python99
Can we agree that Wolverine and Sabretooth are very similar with equal attributes in most cases? Good!

No. Honestly Sabretooth should be owning Logan pretty regularly.

Originally posted by batdude123
No. Honestly Sabretooth should be owning Logan pretty regularly.


I would say so as well

Find the links to Spiderman beating those people.

I remember Spiderman vs Magneto because you made it... it didn't go to well in the eyes of Spiderman supporters.

High Pope of Church Wolvigod. j/k

I have to do some shit on my forum....

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Find the links to Spiderman beating those people.

I remember Spiderman vs Magneto because you made it... it didn't go to well in the eyes of Spiderman supporters.

High Pope of Church Wolvigod. j/k

I have to do some shit on my forum.... I posted those scans so much; then people got mad and told me to stop It's all in the Spiderman Respect thread

and on the 7th Day, God created Spiderman

Oh yeah your forum. How much people you have now?

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
I posted those scans so much; then people got mad and told me to stop It's all in the Spiderman Respect thread

and on the 7th Day, God created Spiderman

Oh yeah your forum. How much people you have now? I thought you meannt on the board.

I have quite a few considering it hasn't been up for long. 21, all are active posters...


I'm impressed, did you look?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I love hypocrisy. BTW I'm not the one who goes around saying that Spiderman is unhittable or anything like that, so don't mix me up with others. I think Peter stands a odd chance of getting hit, but I think he should be hit much less than he does when he fights peak humans.


You said Spider-man would have no problem dodging Sabretooth unless Victor was wearing the Venom symbiot. Sounds like you think he is pretty much untouchable to me.

Why should Spider-man be hit less then he currently is when he is fighting peak humans? Skilled martial fighters have been able to trade blows with Spider-man since the character's inference. As I have been known to say often examples of Spider-man being hit by skilled street level heroes are far more numerous examples showing other wise and they predate them as well. Spider-man fighting someone like Juggernaught or the Hulk and showing the ability the effortless dodge all of their attacks is the except not the rule. Look at Spider-man first fight with Rhino and his first fight with Moltenman, they both walked all over them and neither of them were particularly fast... even Scorpion wasn't attributed super speed in his first appearance. When Spider-man fights a power house who can kill him with one hit he dodges simply because the plot dictates that he needs to in order to survive, it is the very definition of PIS.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well the same thing can be said about Wolverine, his healing factor is WAY taken out of proportion, Wolverine and Sabretooth are more often hurt by street levelers, but the superfans want to use only his high showings. But when Spiderman's side does the same thing it's taken out of proportion? That's so funny. Because there are dozens of examples to the contrary to Logan and Creed's uber feats. But since you and Wolverine 1-1000 don't like it, they don't count? Cute. This is exactly why I hate feat wars. There's no way you'll convince me that Spidemran can't dodge Sabes when he's dodged guys like Carnage and Ocks tentacles quite often, and there's no way I'm convincing people who think Logan can break the sound barrier that he's getting hurt with by hits from Spiderman, although others do it time and time again. So this will just get circular, too bad I'm not bothering to fuel it further.


But that isn't true, Wolverine isn't hurt by street level characters more often the he takes hits from bricks. In fact Wolverine has tangled with the Hulk more times then he has fought Captain America, Daredevil, Black Panther and Elektra combined. Wolverine taking hits from high class characters, despite what you may think, are for more numerous then the few times the Punisher has given him a hard time.

Please don't try to make Spider-man out to be an victim of under estimation CM, because that couldn't be farther from the Truth. In fact for the most part I let you Spider-man fans run with the crazy notions you have in your heads. Do you seriously think, even for a moment, that I couldn't post ten scans of the spider-sense being a vague, less then accurate early warning sense for every one scan of the spider-sense being a complex warning system bordering on precog? The formula of every Spider-man argument is using Spider-man highs and comparing them against his opponents lows and the sad thing is you guys are so far gone you don't even realise it.


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Me using Spiderman's high's versus his lows. I find that odd since most Spiderman supporters seldom rely on feat wars, especially myself. That title definately goes to the Wolverine fans, using high end feats and ignoring others. This is a forum where PIS is set up, so no matter how many times crap happens its crap, maybe you should see that for logan as you do Spiderman. And stop amping lightweighters beyond their abilities.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You said Spider-man would have no problem dodging Sabretooth unless Victor was wearing the Venom symbiot. Sounds like you think he is pretty much untouchable to me.

Bullshit, I said he wouldn't have a serious problem dodging him. Unless his precog amounts to nothing. Don't give me that crap, when you think Logan is undamageable.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Why should Spider-man be hit less then he currently is when he is fighting peak humans? Skilled martial fighters have been able to trade blows with Spider-man since the character's inference. As I have been known to say often examples of Spider-man being hit by skilled street level heroes are far more numerous examples showing other wise and they predate them as well. Spider-man fighting someone like Juggernaught or the Hulk and showing the ability the effortless dodge all of their attacks is the except not the rule. Look at Spider-man first fight with Rhino and his first fight with Moltenman, they both walked all over them and neither of them were particularly fast... even Scorpion wasn't attributed super speed in his first appearance. When Spider-man fights a power house who can kill him with one hit he dodges simply because the plot dictates that he needs to in order to survive, it is the very definition of PIS.
Funny because oddly enough the same thing can be said with Wolverine and Sabes healing factor, seeing as they are adjusted inconsistently to meet the writers needs.

Spidersense works very differently and is underwritten to save the artist of writing it, do you know how it works?

Look at Wolverine's first fight with Hulk, or his KO with thing.


Originally posted by srankmissingnin
But that isn't true, Wolverine isn't hurt by street level characters more often the he takes hits from bricks. In fact Wolverine has tangled with the Hulk more times then he has fought Captain America, Daredevil, Black Panther and Elektra combined. Wolverine taking hits from high class characters, despite what you may think, are for more numerous then the few times the Punisher has given him a hard time.
Hulk has ko'ed him, so has Archangel, so has Thing. And he get's ko'ed by a chop to DD's throat?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Please don't try to make Spider-man out to be an victim of under estimation CM, because that couldn't be farther from the Truth. In fact for the most part I let you Spider-man fans run with the crazy notions you have in your heads. Do you seriously think, even for a moment, that I couldn't post ten scans of the spider-sense being a vague, less then accurate early warning sense for every one scan of the spider-sense being a complex warning system bordering on precog? The formula of every Spider-man argument is using Spider-man highs and comparing them against his opponents lows and the sad thing is you guys are so far gone you don't even realise it. Then you clearly missed the links, I can show you multiple instances of Logan in a low showing, so, so much for that. Spiderman is often hated about among MA fanboys.

But that wouldn't matter to you seeing as you think Logan beats Godzilla. Please. I don't argue Spiderman not getting hit all of the time, I don't argue him too fast for thor or any of these high showings. Most here agree he loses to Ock. Wolverine fanboys are the worst of the forum, clearly you didn't read those threads very well. I think you need to again.


People wonder why he's mistreated, his fanboys are for the most part ridiculous on all accounts.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
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Double post.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
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Why would you openly tell us you are inflicting damage on your self?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Me using Spiderman's high's versus his lows. I find that odd since most Spiderman supporters seldom rely on feat wars, especially myself. That title definately goes to the Wolverine fans, using high end feats and ignoring others. This is a forum where PIS is set up, so no matter how many times crap happens its crap, maybe you should see that for logan as you do Spiderman. And stop amping lightweighters beyond their abilities.


Your entire argument is based on Spider-man's high end feats except you don't use anything to back it up. You just make brood random remarks with little to no merit like "I don't think a Spiderman at his best will have too much problem dodging Creed unless Creed has the Venom symbiote." Other people make a remark and show a scan or give an issue number to back it up... but in your case we are treated to your "logic."

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bullshit, I said he wouldn't have a serious problem dodging him. Unless his precog amounts to nothing. Don't give me that crap, when you think Logan is undamageable.


You said he wouldn't have a serious problem dodging Victor unless he was wearing the Venom symbiot. You think Sabretooth would need to be in the Venom symboit to have a decent chance of hitting Spider-man. Do you know how crazy that sounds? And the spider-sense isn't precog. He can't predict what Sabretooth will do before he does it but as soon as an attack is mounted he knows about it... which isn't to helpful against an opponent of Sabretooth's speed and calibre in melee combat.

I don't think Logan is un-damagable but Spider-man certainly doesn't have the means to ko him with brute strength.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Funny because oddly enough the same thing can be said with Wolverine and Sabes healing factor, seeing as they are adjusted inconsistently to meet the writers needs.


Yes but Wolverine's healing factor is written down to match the situation, Spider-man's speed/spider-sense is written up. Further more the Wolverine writers often put in a reason for his healing factor being slow (ie Daniel Way) or at least point out that it is working slower then normal (ie Claremount). What happens in Spider-man's case? Nothing. His abilities just slide all over the scale with out anything reasoning.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spidersense works very differently and is underwritten to save the artist of writing it, do you know how it works?



Peter senses vibrations in the air (which everyone from Captain America and Black Panther to Wolverine and Shatterstar have shown the ability to do... but lets down play that for Spider-man's sake) thats what the spider-sense is, coupled with the signature alarm that goes of in his head. He isn't a precog, far from it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Look at Wolverine's first fight with Hulk, or his KO with thing.


Wolverine didn't even have a healing factor written into his character yet and he still took an "bone shattering" attack from the Hulk. He was also up ready for round two the next issue but the Canadian government extracted him.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Hulk has ko'ed him, so has Archangel, so has Thing. And he get's ko'ed by a chop to DD's throat?


I don't think anyone has a problem with the Hulk or Thing koing Wolverine...

Archangel? When the were tied together, Wolverine had no healing factor and were mind controlled into fighting?

Daredevil didn't ko Wolverine. He incapacitated him momentarily... in a Garth Ennis issue of Punisher.

You know you would be more credible if you did use so much circumstantial evidence.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Then you clearly missed the links, I can show you multiple instances of Logan in a low showing, so, so much for that. Spiderman is often hated about among MA fanboys.


Yeah 'cause those links were really something...

Spider-man isn't hated by any group of people... but what ever it takes to rationalise your fanaticism I guess.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
But that wouldn't matter to you seeing as you think Logan beats Godzilla.

No I don't...

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Please. I don't argue Spiderman not getting hit all of the time, I don't argue him too fast for thor or any of these high showings. Most here agree he loses to Ock. Wolverine fanboys are the worst of the forum, clearly you didn't read those threads very well. I think you need to again.


You don't think Spider-man is faster then Thor! Should I send you a medal or will the parade be enough?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You said Spider-man would have no problem dodging Sabretooth unless Victor was wearing the Venom symbiot. Sounds like you think he is pretty much untouchable to me.
Spidey most likely will be touched by venom sabre is cos spidey's spider sense cant sense venom

Spider-Man wins this one 6-7/10.

To my knowledge, Spidey is still stronger than Creed, faster (Creed is fast, but come on)...actually, I have a better way of saying this.

Creed is Wovlerine 2.0. Which really only boosts his stats a bit more than Wolverine. And Spider-Man outclasses Wolverine. The same way he outclasses Creed.

I really just can't see, even using Spider-Man median feats, Creed being able to really land any decent blow on Spider-man. He's just not fast enough, his reflexes aren't as good as Spidey's either. And that, coupled with Spider-Man's spider-sense just adds to his inability to hit Spidey.

On the other hand, Sabretooth's healing factor is even more effective than Wolverine's. Which only means that Spidey will have to hit him more, web him more, and gradually tax Sabes' healing factor.

Settle down now children

That has got to be one of the longest rants ever, and a very well thought out and logical rant. Well done C-Master well done, just to bad you don't have a scanner otherwise that could have gotten realy embarresing.

Spider-Man 8/10

Originally posted by Sparkz
That has got to be one of the longest rants ever, and a very well thought out and logical rant. Well done C-Master well done, just to bad you don't have a scanner otherwise that could have gotten realy embarresing. Keep that up and maybe he will give you a doggy treat J/K

Do you ever post anything useful? Or do you pointlessly bump threads to get a reaction?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Do you ever post anything useful? Or do you pointlessly bump threads to get a reaction? Which ever one makes you feel superior.

Point proven.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Point proven. OK I'm not the one losing any sleep.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
OK I'm not the one losing any sleep. Neither am I, I just asked a question from an observation... I don't think anyone on this forum is going to actually get to me at this point in time.

*waits for pointless post*

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Neither am I, I just asked a question from an observation... I don't think anyone on this forum is going to actually get to me at this point in time. Nope, or you wouldn't have said anything in the first place.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Nope, or you wouldn't have said anything in the first place. Well then you should take your own advice.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Well then you should take your own advice. Just being nice to reply to your paranoia When I speak to you first, then you may talk. Otherwise, just let it go no matter how bad of an urge you have to speak.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Just being nice to reply to your paranoia When I speak to you first, then you may talk. Otherwise, just let it go no matter how bad of an urge you have to speak. Paranoid? How can I be paranoid of something you're doing? The fact that I think you post stupid posts in an attempt to be funny, is nevertheless trolling (even if it is harmless). Because you want to provoke a reaction. You are saying that I'm trying to make myself feel superior when it's really you who has no real argument against my accusation because you know you're wrong. So you blow it out of proportion. If I'm wrong, go and point to me where you've made an intelligent post in this thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Paranoid? How can I be paranoid of something you're doing? The fact that I think you post stupid posts in an attempt to be funny, is trolling (even if it is harmless). You are saying that I'm trying to make myself feel superior when it's really you who has no real argument against me accusation because you know you're wrong. If I'm wrong, go and point to me where you've made an intelligent post in this thread. I bother you so much it is rather funny If I annoy you so bad, then simply don't speak to me. Points are already good in this thread but you dismiss it. In the Wolverine VS Spiderman thread, I posted my thoughts the other day.

You speak to me about pointless posts when I see you in threads being extremly sarcastic about Wolverine winning with his God blah blah blah, fanboy blah, all the time. There is alot of shit in your tiolet, about time you flush it.

If you ask nicely, I will make you get the last word After all, wouldn't want you to look bad in front of your forum buddies

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
I bother you so much it is rather funny If I annoy you so bad, then simply don't speak to me. Points are already good in this thread but you dismiss it. In the Wolverine VS Spiderman thread, I posted my thoughts the other day. Nah, I don't think you bother me, I think you're the one who gets bothered enough to make spite threads of characters and me. I've dismissed nothing, but that's still better than you not arguing anything. I just think you bump threads for no reason, and your posts are always antagonizing the character and me, so when I call you on it, you get all butt hurt about it, or go tattle on the mods.

So yea, I'm the one bothered here, look at all of last year please. Go make a sock account.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
You speak to me about pointless posts when I see you in threads being extremly sarcastic about Wolverine winning with his God blah blah blah, fanboy blah, all the time. There is alot of shit in your tiolet, about time you flush it. And I back my points up as well, you on the other hand just diss other members and wait for other members to post to jump on their balls. You have never put up one debate, ever. You ignore points, and jump on your superiors when they are around.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
If you ask nicely, I will make you get the last word After all, wouldn't want you to look bad in front of your forum buddies Oh yea, you are sure making me look bad... that's why everyone's laughing at the fanboys.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Nah, I don't think you bother me, I think you're the one who gets bothered enough to make spite threads of characters and me. I've dismissed nothing, but that's still better than you not arguing anything. I just think you bump threads for no reason, and your posts are always antagonizing the character and me, so when I call you on it, you get all butt hurt about it, or go tattle on the mods.

So yea, I'm the one bothered here, look at all of last year please.

And I back my points up as well, you on the other hand just diss other members and wait for other members to post to jump on their balls. You have never put up one debate, ever. You ignore points, and jump on your superiors when they are around.

Oh yea, you are sure making me look bad... that's why everyone's laughing at the fanboys. Sorry, I should take your aproach and go make it my life to try and own fanboys or go around preaching of Wolvie Gods. Oh better yet, PM people and tell them to come in threads to back you up


Of course I bother you. Why else would you reply to me when I wasn't speaking to you with a smartass comment

Yeah, your usual tactic, bring up stuff in the past to try and discredit the other guy. Sorry to break it to you, but people change. I don't care about what you say to the point that I get annoyed since you already said you do it on purpose to get to me.


We all need to grow up on this forum. Me and everyone else, but some more than others "Fanboy slayer". I think you try act in a role on the forum to much.I will boost your self confidence for you.

You own everyone, you are never wrong. You are a master

Cmaster: youpi

Anyway, I have to go. I have Midterms and all kinds of crap this month Then I start my job next week grrr, I won't be on for awhile.

well, see you later.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Sorry, I should take your aproach and go make it my life to try and own fanboys or go around preaching of Wolvie Gods. No, it's only part time. But since you are so hypocritical you miss the entire illogical, pointless posts in all of the threads you post in and always try to cop out and take the innocent route. I think your trolling is harmless, but it's still trolling. I'm not sure if it's your arrogance or just your blatant hypocrisy.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Oh better yet, PM people and tell them to come in threads to back you up Yep, because we all know I don't own the piss out of you and the other fanboys everyday of the week, most of the time by myself, since I don't post here as regularly anymore. But that's much better than running to the mods, or pming me to stop coming in a thread owning you...

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8401/twistergy4.jpg

I don't make it my priority to rely on people, never have. I have alot of people who like me sure. But you can never say I regularly buddy up with someone. Unlike you and all the other Wolverine supporters. In their neverending cluster****ing sessions, I'd hardly be talking... people come on here regularly (like now) and call the owning subjectively. Of course I can't help but have a laugh with good pals every now and then about a good ownage... but who doesn't?



Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Of course I bother you. Why else would you reply to me when I wasn't speaking to you with a smartass comment

I was joking to your joke, but you got sensitive to it, because oh well, the truth still hurts.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Yeah, your usual tactic, bring up stuff in the past to try and discredit the other guy. Sorry to break it to you, but people change. I don't care about what you say to the point that I get annoyed since you already said you do it on purpose to get to me.
So you argue that I bring up the past by bringing up the past? That whole big contradiction in one paragraph... wow.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
We all need to grow up on this forum. Me and everyone else, but some more than others "Fanboy slayer". I think you try act in a role on the forum to much.I will boost your self confidence for you.
Yep, that's exactly what it is... you of course don't go around trying to get attention by embarassing yourself like this.... it's unhealthy. I find it so funny that I get to everyone on this forum so much that they have to create alternate accounts to bash me because they lost an argument.



Originally posted by Ricodrayz
You own everyone, you are never wrong. You are a master

Cmaster:
Damn straight.

Originally posted by Ricodrayz
Anyway, I have to go. I have Midterms and all kinds of crap this month Then I start my job next week grrr, I won't be on for awhile.

well, see you later. Awww... till next owning.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Yep, because we all know I don't own the piss out of you and the other fanboys everyday of the week, most of the time by myself, since I don't post here as regularly anymore. But that's much better than running to the mods, or pming me to stop coming in a thread owning you...

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/8401/twistergy4.jpg

Haha...I remember that. Good times there.

That whole month was crazy, then the appearnce of Ihatecmaster.

The good ol days.

Or we could get on topic... I misquoted noone btw.

My point was never that Spiderman could beat Creed, rather that he wouldn't be in the time of his life dodging him. But he could web him. The numbers are still up in my opinion.

You can take it or leave it. Starting from scratch.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The spider-sense isn't precog. He is warned as soon as something happens not before someone starts mounting their attack. If Jonny Average gets read to throw a punch and Spider-man knows about it as so as he winds up he has ample time to avoid it but it isn't precog, it isn't even close.

I'm not sure I follow here. How is the spider-sense NOT a form of precog?

Lets start from scratch from this moment on and ignore every thing that came before. I'm sure you don't want to write seven some odd pages of replies to what I wrote and a certainly don't want to reply to those pages writing seven pages of rebuttals. What do ya' say? How about a truce? We could be chums you and I.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
I'm not sure I follow here. How is the spider-sense NOT a form of precog?

It would be precog if the spider sense let Spider-man know that someone was going to punch him in 23 seconds. It doesn't. It doesn't see the future and that is what precog is. The spider sense is a form of spatial awareness that informs Spider-man of what is happening around him as it happens, not before.

By agreement the pissing contest is over... yay

So, I'm going to ignore these posts as they are getting off topic, and go back on topic... it's a holiday thing. And saves time.

I say Spiderman can dodge Creed, but he is disadvantaged in melee combat. However Spiderman can take the cheap way out and hide somewhere. I however don't feel Creed has the cutting leverage to break free of properly placed webbing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
By agreement the pissing contest is over... yay

So, I'm going to ignore these posts as they are getting off topic, and go back on topic... it's a holiday thing. And saves time.

I say Spiderman can dodge Creed, but he is disadvantaged in melee combat. However Spiderman can take the cheap way out and hide somewhere. I however don't feel Creed has the cutting leverage to break free of properly placed webbing.

It's a Halloween Miracle! Hurray!


I still don't know about Creed being held by Spider-man's webbing though. I haven't been impressed with the tensile strength of his webbing post "I was a giant spider and gave birth to my self" incident. It seems much weaker then it's fabricated counter part. I would argue that Spider-man him self could break it... and it has far too much give.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It would be precog if the spider sense let Spider-man know that someone was going to punch him in 23 seconds. It doesn't. It doesn't see the future and that is what precog is. The spider sense is a form of spatial awareness that informs Spider-man of what is happening around him as it happens, not before.

See this is where you're losing me.

The Spider-sense is two things. It's BOTH a form of "spatial awareness that informs Spider-man of what is happening around him as it happens", AND a form of precognition (go read your Spidey comics to know this is true) that informs of him of an impending attack on either his person or his vicinity. It varies in time as well. Sometimes it reacts JUST in the nick of time. Other times it gives him a good few seconds before the event takes place.

Spider-Man can know ahead of time if a bomb will explode. He can know ahead of time what kind of punch, the intended target area of the punch, and when the punch will land of his opponent. If not for his spider-sense, he would probably get shot. Lasers and bullets are pretty fast.

I mean, you've got to know this.

PAWNED, OWNED, STONED AND DE-BONED!!!!

Wolverine fanboys need to spend more time looking
at girlie mags and less time counting the hairs on Logan's chest.

You need to stop crying fanboys about everything and grow up.

Originally posted by Zahit
PAWNED, OWNED, STONED AND DE-BONED!!!!

Wolverine fanboys need to spend more time looking
at girlie mags and less time counting the hairs on Logan's chest. How do you edit your images? What program?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
How do you edit your images? What program?
photoshop, coreldraw, talent, creativity, burning hatred of the
closet case homos (fanboys) who have aided in the crappening
of my favorite comic company.

piece of cake.

Photoshop eh?

spidey

Creed.

Spidey. Webs and speed put it in his favor. IMO if Pete starts using that big brain of his Creed is really toast.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
Spidey. Webs and speed put it in his favor. IMO if Pete starts using that big brain of his Creed is really toast.
This.

Speedwise they're close and Creed can rip his webbing to shreds.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Speedwise they're close and Creed can rip his webbing to shreds.
Fascinating.

Spider-Man still wins.

Maybe it would've been split a couple of years back but i'd give Spider-man the majority now thanks to spider-fu training from shangchi and spider-sense.

One could argue that Sabes lost all of his artificial upgrades.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Creed. 7ebKscnipDo

Creed rips the limbs off bugboy.
"Scream for me"

Victor.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
One could argue that Sabes lost all of his artificial upgrades.

Good point. If we really wanted this to get fun we could bring up all the tech that is now standard equipment for spidey.

Spider-Man.

The fight: Spider-Man 8/10. Too fast and webbing.

I'd be open to some reconsideration based on evidence.

On Spider-Man's speed:His high-end feats are numerous, well-known, and speak for themselves.

On high/low-end feats: Yes, Spider-Man gets hit sometimes by guys without superspeed. Yes, so does Superman. Yes, Wolverine gets knocked unconscious sometimes by human blows to the back of his head. Yes, the Flash runs headfirst into Deathstroke's attacks. Yes, the Silver Surfer was once restrained by Black Panther. Another time, he was knocked out by a brick.

Low-showings make comics easier to write. But PIS is off here. Do we have to re-litigate this every time?

On Spider-sense: Precog. It often warns Pete of danger even before the danger begins. It even tells him if the guy he's standing in front of wants to harm him. That said, it can be somewhat unpredictable.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
The fight: Spider-Man 8/10. Too fast and webbing.



On Spider-sense: Precog. It often warns Pete of danger even before the danger begins. It even tells him if the guy he's standing in front of wants to harm him. That said, it can be somewhat unpredictable.

Yeah, the SS's even warned him against poisons and diseases and such...

It also warns against direction and severity of danger. All useful stuff, but the main weakness is it doesn't tell him the exact nature of the attack...

There's nothing Creed can do, that he hasn't seen before or would not expect though..

Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Fascinating.

Spider-Man still wins.



No, he doesn't. Not in comics and certainly not here.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
One could argue that Sabes lost all of his artificial upgrades.

Based on? New body or something like that? Loeb's story about Sabretooth's return isn't out yet?

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
The fight: Spider-Man 8/10. Too fast and webbing.

I'd be open to some reconsideration based on evidence.

On Spider-Man's speed:His high-end feats are numerous, well-known, and speak for themselves.

On high/low-end feats: Yes, Spider-Man gets hit sometimes by guys without superspeed. Yes, so does Superman. Yes, Wolverine gets knocked unconscious sometimes by human blows to the back of his head. Yes, the Flash runs headfirst into Deathstroke's attacks. Yes, the Silver Surfer was once restrained by Black Panther. Another time, he was knocked out by a brick.

Low-showings make comics easier to write. But PIS is off here. Do we have to re-litigate this every time?

On Spider-sense: Precog. It often warns Pete of danger even before the danger begins. It even tells him if the guy he's standing in front of wants to harm him. That said, it can be somewhat unpredictable.

Creed has no-sold his webbing. He's faster than Wolverine, that's more than enough speed needed to deal with Parker.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Based on? New body or something like that? Loeb's story about Sabretooth's return isn't out yet? Yes. They do a story about his return? About time, I thought arvel kept on trolling us.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yes. They do a story about his return? About time, I thought arvel kept on trolling us.

Yep. It starts with Cloak chained up on the top of Empire State Building and Wolverine trying to rescue him. Dagger got abducted by Sabes.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yep. It starts with Cloak chained up on the top of Empire State Building and Wolverine trying to rescue him. Dagger got abducted by Sabes. Ah that one, Wolverine on his fall into death

That is out for while already isn't it I have seen this weeks ago.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Ah that one, Wolverine on his fall into death

That is out for while already isn't it I have seen this weeks ago.

That was just a preview, the actual issue will be released on July 18 (just checked).

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

Creed has no-sold his webbing. He's faster than Wolverine, that's more than enough speed needed to deal with Parker.

Being faster than Logan doesn't say much, when Peter's quite a bit faster than Logan too.

Originally posted by cdtm
Being faster than Logan doesn't say much, when Peter's quite a bit faster than Logan too.

Not faster enough to matter in h2h combat in featureless environment. Actually Parker was questioning his own speed vs. Wolverine in High Tide.

The spider fu should at the very least neutralize any advantage creed may have had in H2H.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not faster enough to matter in h2h combat in featureless environment. Actually Parker was questioning his own speed vs. Wolverine in High Tide.

Yes he did, but imo Peter's history of speed feats is stronger than Logans overall...

I'm as big as Cassandra Cain fan as anyone, and even I think she's outclassed by Spidey, despite her famous "matrix bullet dodging feat", among others...

Originally posted by cdtm
Yes he did, but imo Peter's history of speed feats is stronger than Logans overall...

Unequivocally yes.



I'd actually put Daredevil above Cass and Spidey a step quicker than them.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not faster enough to matter in h2h combat in featureless environment. Actually Parker was questioning his own speed vs. Wolverine in High Tide.

Spider-Man.

sabretooth destroys him

people forget that there is nothing spider-man can do to put creed down , creed on the other hand got so many options its laughable , spider-man is a dead man

Very good debate overall, fair points for both sides.

Questions though... is this Spidey with his new h2h spider kung fu skills? I wouldassume that is a permanent part of his abilities now...? And is this Creed now with some upgrades i'm not aware of (he hasn't been resurrected yet right?)

The answer to those may make things closer, but I still feel Creed wins a higher number of fights. I've seen older scans of him ripping Spidey's webbing, he is strong/fast/agile enough to land a killing blow at least on Spidey, or just one that would eventually lead to him bleeding out/being incapacitated I would think, and he is durable enough to take Spideys worst hits and still be in the fight.

Sabes got ressurrected and got his ass kicked by Wolverine 2/3 if I'm not missing a comic this far.

Spiderman

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Sabes got ressurrected and got his ass kicked by Wolverine 2/3 if I'm not missing a comic this far.

really? i remember after his ressurection they fought and sabretooth actually owned him, only time i remember wolverine owning him after that was at his birthday party but i dont take that issue seriously for obvious reasons

Wolverine loses too.

Originally posted by red sabre
really? i remember after his ressurection they fought and sabretooth actually owned him, only time i remember wolverine owning him after that was at his birthday party but i dont take that issue seriously for obvious reasons Yeah this time and before he pretty much 2 or 3 shotted him and left him laying on the floor.

tell you what, if we take CIS off and its the spider-man that humiliated kingpin i say he beats both wolverine and sabretooth at the same time, but as he normally fights its going to be hard for him

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yeah this time and before he pretty much 2 or 3 shotted him and left him laying on the floor.

damn i didnt see it, i guess sabretooth doesnt have all his weapon x upgrades then because with the weapon x upgrades he was raping wolverine without a vaseline

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Yeah this time and before he pretty much 2 or 3 shotted him and left him laying on the floor.

You mean when he shredded his lungs, stabbed him in the brain and through the spinal cord...?

Kinda funny that two shallow cuts and one stab to the gut were more effective.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not faster enough to matter in h2h combat in featureless environment. Actually Parker was questioning his own speed vs. Wolverine in High Tide. And Sabertooth stated that Beast is superior to Wolverine on every level including fighting skills. And When it happened Creed wasn't freaked out nor moving "slower" than usually. So much for that.
Pete does have the speed advantage over Vic and it WILL make a difference. That said, CIS on i give ST the majority.

Originally posted by SamZED
And Sabertooth stated that Beast is superior to Wolverine on every level including fighting skills. And When it happened Creed wasn't freaked out nor moving "slower" than usually. So much for that.
Pete does have the speed advantage over Vic and it WILL make a difference. That said, CIS on i give ST the majority.

No, he said Hank had the potential to become a greater fighter iirc. Big difference.

In close combat? His advantage is marginal if there is one at all.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, he said Hank had the potential to become a greater fighter iirc. Big difference.

In close combat? His advantage is marginal if there is one at all.
Which we both know is a total bs. Gotta be some alt universe Hank to even dream of having that kind of potential. Spider-man doubted his speed for like 1/10th of a second because of the state of mind he was in, and even then it wasnt exactly his best performance speed wise. Said so himself. He's not faster by a lot clearly but has a solid advantage even in close combat, dont see a reason to believe otherwise. And im talking classic Spider. The one you secretly like.