What do you think of this fight?

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Accel
Here we have two instances of the Mindless Hulk fighting Hercules, Wonder Man, Namor, and Iron Man all at the same time. Now, Namor and Iron Man have each knocked out Hulk at least once, Wonder Man is about as strong as Namor, and Hercules is stronger than any one of the three.

Considering all this, could it be PIS that the four of them together failed to take out Mindless Hulk? Could the fact that four characters who have each given Hulk a good fight at one time or another and yet not take out this version of Hulk working together be pure PIS? What say you? Yay or nay?
Explanations for your answers would also be appreciated.

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Innerhype
That is one really piss'd off Hulk.

Sub_Mariner
Originally posted by Innerhype
That is one really PIS'D off Hulk.

PRAYERRUN
hulk wins

PRAYERRUN
Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
hulk wins hehe ok maybe not. it looks like they probably could take him down.

Alfheim
Originally posted by Accel
Here we have two instances of the Mindless Hulk fighting Hercules, Wonder Man, Namor, and Iron Man all at the same time. Now, Namor and Iron Man have each knocked out Hulk at least once, Wonder Man is about as strong as Namor, and Hercules is stronger than any one of the three.

Considering all this, could it be PIS that the four of them together failed to take out Mindless Hulk? Could the fact that four characters who have each given Hulk a good fight at one time or another and yet not take out this version of Hulk working together be pure PIS? What say you? Yay or nay?
Explanations for your answers would also be appreciated.

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Its not PIS because this is mindless Hulk? The most powerful version of the Hulk. When Namor knocked out the Hulk he was not mindless. When Iron man knocked out the Hulk he was not mindless either, we could also say he was lucky.

Grimm22
Is that art by John Bryne? confused

Accel
I believe so. This incarnation was even nicknamed a Byrne's "Animal Hulk."

grey fox
It's not PIS.

Iron-mans win was pure luck . The Hulk was getting stronger by the minute due to a plot device and Stark had to drain his suit dry JUST to knock Hulk out cold.

Namor punched Hulk out Underwater.

Alfheim
Originally posted by grey fox

Namor punched Hulk out Underwater.

Ah then theres that as well.

Priest
i dont think its PIS, Mindless hulk its suppossed to be a upper brick, unless u dont have superspeed, ur not gonna win a fist fight with him

PRAYERRUN
what's pis?stick out tongue

Priest
Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
what's pis?stick out tongue
No Mentioning Events of PIS

"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates."

from the fourm rules

olympian
Anyone noticed how Hulk always does better against groups? Its like his rage kicks in faster for being at a number disavantage.

As for that storyline, not really no. Hercules in the first fight only got in after IM and WM tried theyr luck (and in that round they didnt fought anymore) and after Namor tried his (and in that round he didnt fought anymore).

Yes, yes. The four where there. But in no instance did they dogpiled him at the same time.

The second part of the story is more related to bad writting. Hulk with all that power he was suposse to have, takes 6 hours to lay down (down, not out. Yessir the man was still conscious) Doc Samson and fails to k.o most of the Avengers who werent even top guns, while guys like Hercules who stalemated him in the previous encounter still couldnt take him out cold, even with backup.

Well, they did at the end with a mix of dogpile and Hulks heart going bananas. But you get the drift.

ExtraMision5555
Originally posted by grey fox
It's not PIS.

Iron-mans win was pure luck . The Hulk was getting stronger by the minute due to a plot device and Stark had to drain his suit dry JUST to knock Hulk out cold.

Namor punched Hulk out Underwater.

i was going to say that too actually
Iron man's was a little plottish, and iron man colapsed just to knock Hulk out

and the second time hulk got right back up if im not mistaken

PRAYERRUN
after looking at those posts I have a hard time believing that Hulk WOULDN'T just get up and kick all thier butts. Unless somebody tried to calm him down, I can't see any way of them capturing him.

Dinalfos
That fight above ain't PIS. There was no Thor or any other extremely versatile character to cheat their way to victory. It was (mostly) a purely physical battle. And It wasn't just your average Hulk, you know.

Validus
Inverse Ninja Law

Accel
So what, that's it? I had to debate this in an inane cycle and no one who believes it was PIS or jobbing wants to debate their points as to why they believe so?

How disappointing.

PRAYERRUN
well for one, I think that Hulk should have been able to get up in that fight. I mean yeah he and hercules were stalemate, but Hulk should be able to beat him because the madder he gets, the stronger he gets. This is a guy that lifted an entire island to save millions of lives...you can't tell me that he can't overpower this group of hero's.

Zahit
"Mindless Hulk" was completely devoid of Banner's mind.
No humanity in him at all.
Nothing but pure mindless never-ending rage....
...and the madder Hulk gets.....you know the rest.

I thought this was a good story. It really showed just how strong
Hercules is. He was clearly the one leading the charge.
His shots at Hulk were awesome.

Sam Z
Originally posted by Accel
So what, that's it? I had to debate this in an inane cycle and no one who believes it was PIS or jobbing wants to debate their points as to why they believe so?

How disappointing.

And you was the one who was leading this inane circle.

"Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline..."
Ironman didn't use a single weapon his armour had, only once tried rays. Doesn't look like him. Namor wasn't using his superior speed, flight and 100 year of experience to avoid attacks but was charging like an idiot. And the team never tried to attack him all together. Only once. Doesn't this sound like a stupidity to you?
Anyway, i didn't felt like debating this because you already know my arguments and my opinion didn't changed since then.
And what was the point of the thread anyway? You thought that voting would somehow prove you right? If so then, this is stupid. In Hulk vs Juggernaut thread majority voted for Hulk, but it doesn't make it truth.
So creating this thread and saying "how disappointing" that i don't give a **** looks like a desperate, childish try to prove something.

Accel

Sam Z

Accel

Brutacus
Originally posted by Sam Z
No we are not. We are running circles around same old stuff. And everything we will discuss here we already discussed on another thread, so i still don't see the rpoint why you made this thread, especially on the vs forum.


The point is that IM didn't use any weapons excpet for the rays, and he tried them only once. And he didn't even tried to use anything else. That's not like him, especially when he fights powerfull oponnents, so i call that stupidity. Namor was shown to stay fresh for long time on the ground and for someone who can lift a building to judo Hulk was not supposed to be a problem. And being out of water doesn't effects years of his fighting exp but he was still charging like a dumb bull. That i call stupidity also.
When they attacked him together they were not using their personal advantages and abilities to take him down, they were always jumping at him at once like an idiots or attacking him 1 on 1 while others were standing and watching.

This fight is completly built on stupidities and noone except Hulk was fighting at their full potential, not even half of their potential only to allow Hulk give them a fight.

You said you'd appreciate opinions, but when i don't respond because i see this thread pointless you make childish post that you are dissapointed. What kind of appreciation is that and what kind of way to debate is that? From what i know you made this thread to hear other's people's opinion, and not to argue them. So here, i posted my opinion, I say it's PIS because team wasn't using their ussual powers and abilities to fight Hulk, just to let him give them a fight. and instead of listening to it and respect my opinion you start pointless debates that eill not get us anywhere.
For somereason i got feeling that this poll made for another purposes... But no comments.

laughing So now it's not "your opinion is appreciated" but "you b!tch will respond on this. like it or not"? Man, grow up already.

Dude before you started to reply, and call it pis and all.
Question do you know what's wrong with this hulk you see in those pics???

He is missing something, but what???
Something very important.
And wenn you figured it out, you see why this is not pis.

Sam Z

Sam Z
Originally posted by Brutacus
Dude before you started to reply, and call it pis and all. Dude, I started replying on this like a week ago, so you are a bit late.

Originally posted by Brutacus

Question do you know what's wrong with this hulk you see in those pics???

He is missing something, but what???
Something very important.
And wenn you figured it out, you see why this is not pis.
What? He lost his pants or something? lol Missing what? If you have something important to say then say it. No need to play hide'n'seek.

Brutacus
Originally posted by Sam Z
Dude, I started replying on this like a week ago, so you are a bit late.


What? He lost his pants or something? lol Missing what? If you have something important to say then say it. No need to play hide'n'seek.

Euh yeah sure yesterday is a week ago roll eyes (sarcastic) .

Second that's mindless hulk.

Sam Z
Originally posted by Brutacus
Euh yeah sure yesterday is a week ago roll eyes (sarcastic) .

Second that's mindless hulk.

Firstly I started debating this fight almost a week ago on another thread, and that was the reason why Accel created this one. So yes, week ago.
And second, that Hulk is missing something and there is something wrong with him because he is Mindless? Man, what are you taling about?

Accel

Brutacus
Originally posted by Sam Z
Firstly I started debating this fight almost a week ago on another thread, and that was the reason why Accel created this one. So yes, week ago.
And second, that Hulk is missing something and there is something wrong with him because he is Mindless? Man, what are you taling about?

Like I'm going to look on the forum, for you're posts?????
Dude I'm not in love with you so that I will read all you're post like a stalker. roll eyes (sarcastic) .
I got better things to do.

Second iff you don't know mindless hulk than why bother to come in to this thread and start debating????

I mean you're debating a character you don't know???

Kind off strange iff you ask me. confused

Sam Z

Sam Z
Originally posted by Brutacus
Like I'm going to look on the forum, for you're posts?????
Dude I'm not in love with you so that I will read all you're post like a stalker. roll eyes (sarcastic) .
I got better things to do. And who's asking you to read my post or reply on them? You quoted me when i said that i was debating this topic for week, and it's not my problem that you haven't read my posts. Nobody asks you to do that.
Originally posted by Brutacus

Second iff you don't know mindless hulk than why bother to come in to this thread and start debating????

I mean you're debating a character you don't know???

Kind off strange iff you ask me. confused Just in case, I clearly know about mindless Hulk more than you do. You asked me if there is "something wrong" with Hulk, and there was nothing "wrong" with him. So it's about your question, not my knowledge.

Accel

Omega-level
For me it's PIS. The 4 together should be able to take him down.

Accel
So I guess no one has any thing different to add to what Sam is saying. Ah, well.

Sam Z

olympian
That second match was bad writting all around. Plain and simple.

- Hercules virtually stalemates a more fresh Hulk one on one but with backup doesnt do better.

- And while it can be explained that Hulk gets stronger as it gets going (making him stronger in the second match than the first), it was stated by Samson, before he went against the Bi-Coast Avengers that Hulk was...dying. So still, they cant take with superior numbers a Hulk that is dying.

- Hulk didnt knocked out a single soul. None. Nada.

- Hulk, the "strongest Hulk to date" as its practically sold by some of the fanbase, took 6 straigth hours to lay Samson down and the man wasent even out.

- Streeth Leverers? They all survive.

- That chinese woman from the Hulk hunters or some hack? She did better in laying Hulk down with a single move than most Avengers.

- Avengers forgot everything about teamwork until the last moment.

Not one person outside that chinese (?) whatshername had a good showing in that one.

Well, Samson did, in fact that arc gave him pretty much one of his best showings ever.

complexbrother
simple ... tha madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets .

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