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He stays enraged during all of the battles. Let me say this again he at his angriest he has ever been

1.Captain America,Red Guardian & Hawkeye
2.Wolverine.Sabretooth & Black Panther
3.Spider-Man & Deathstroke
4.Deadpool,Elektra & Rhino
5.Gray Hulk & Thing
6.Namor the Sub-Mariner & Classic Wonder Man
7.Sasquatch & Atlas
8.Immortal Hercules & Thor/no Hammer
9.Superman
10.Doomsday/One Death
11.Drax with power gem
12.Thanos/no projection powers,Matter Manipulation or energy manipulation


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Stops at 7

He fought an entire Avengers team consisting of Hercules Iron Man Wonder Man Namor She Hulk and Doc Samson. I sure he would get past 7

Originally posted by golem370
He fought an entire Avengers team consisting of Hercules Iron Man Wonder Man Namor She Hulk and Doc Samson. I sure he would get past 7

Ya they jobbed, it's what people due when they get around the Hulk.

I think he stops at #6, assuming that they are near the water

Hulk clears it.

At that level he'll simply grab whoever he's fighting and rip them in half with little to no resistance (Including wolverine). He'll thunderclap the fast guys, and he'll watch as Rhino fumbles and takes him and his team out.

Originally posted by Innerhype
Hulk clears it.

At that level he'll simply grab whoever he's fighting and rip them in half with little to no resistance (Including wolverine). He'll thunderclap the fast guys, and he'll watch as Rhino fumbles and takes him and his team out.

Even if he got that far - which he likely won't - Drax would pimpslap the green sh1t out of him. There's no way Hulk could compete with the power gem - PIS off.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Ya they jobbed, it's what people due when they get around the Hulk.

Wrong. Wonderman and the rest of that gang had nothing on him. How were they jobbing? You're talking out of your ass again.

Originally posted by Innerhype
Hulk clears it.

At that level he'll simply grab whoever he's fighting and rip them in half with little to no resistance (Including wolverine). He'll thunderclap the fast guys, and he'll watch as Rhino fumbles and takes him and his team out. Yeah, but aren't you the one who said that Ironman could beat Kyle Rayner?

Stops at 9.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Stops at 7

MUNGI!

Come defend your boy! .

If not at Sasquatch and Atlas, at Thor and Hercules for sure.

hulk clears it

Wouldn't he be essentially limitless in strength at full rage?

Yes

makes it to 11 for sure.

In this scenario superman should be placed last as his the deadliest, the thread started never took away supes versatility but took other characters away. Hulk stops dead at number 9.

If he doesnt have the mind of bruce banner limiting him, he clears it.

In a pure rage slug fest, hes right at home.

Still he issn't really fast as light as some of the characters are on this gauntlet.

I say 8 or 9 stops him.

Originally posted by Galan777
Yeah, but aren't you the one who said that Ironman could beat Kyle Rayner?

Yes I did

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427876&highlight=IronMan

Oh please, Stark couldn't even touch a GL. (unless were talking thorbuster) Now I've heard everything

He was able to take down Terrax once but it destroyed his suit which killed him.

Stops at nine, and thats only being certain. The rest before him are debateable, but there is no way in hell, does he get past this.

If He can take on Iron Man Immortal Hercules Namor the Sub-Mariner Wonder Man and She Hulk and Doc Samson and give them a beating during most of the battle and even then he wasn't at his highest anger. He was also able to defeat Gladiator who is equal to Superman is everyway then Supes might hurt him badly but Hulk takes him.

Originally posted by golem370
If He can take on Iron Man Immortal Hercules Namor the Sub-Mariner Wonder Man and She Hulk and Doc Samson and give them a beating during most of the battle and even then he wasn't at his highest anger. He was also able to defeat Gladiator who is equal to Superman is everyway then Supes might hurt him badly but Hulk takes him. Do you realize how much Gladiator jobbed in that comic? The only way your going to get Superman out of Gladiator, is if you take Gladiator's highest showings.
Is that one of his higher showings?

Also, Superman is one to actually use his powers in comics. His speed, strength, heat vision, etc. Hulk is going down hard here.

Hulk would break Superman's back

Originally posted by golem370
Hulk would break Superman's back That is because you like Marvel, and I doubt you like DC.

Reasonably tell me how the hell that is going to work.

I like good Characters I like Superman but I have no doubt that in a fist fight like he got in with Darkseid Doomsday and many many others Hulk would win the majority of the fights

Originally posted by Innerhype
Hulk clears it.

At that level he'll simply grab whoever he's fighting and rip them in half with little to no resistance (Including wolverine). He'll thunderclap the fast guys, and he'll watch as Rhino fumbles and takes him and his team out.

The same way Doomsday killed Superman with enough force and strength. He bent adamantium like nothing tying Ocks Adamantium tenticals in a knot

Originally posted by golem370
I like good Characters I like Superman but I have no doubt that in a fist fight like he got in with Darkseid Doomsday and many many others Hulk would win the majority of the fights Wait, are you honestly using Superman fighting Doomsday, and Darkseid as examples to why Hulk would beat him?

That's like saying that Thanos beat SS, and that is why I think that Wonder Man would beat Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by golem370
The same way Doomsday killed Superman with enough force and strength. He bent adamantium like nothing tying Ocks Adamantium tenticals in a knot Doomsday is stronger than Hulk, Doomsday would kill Hulk. He also has some extremely hard spikes on his hand, that might have had something to do with Superman getting beat.
Superman also killed Doomsday in the process, and as much as I hate to say it, Superman has gotten stronger since then.

And, Doc Ock's tenacles bend already. It's not like he took 4, 1foot think poles of Adamantium and turned them into a knot.

Silver Surfer is able to increase his strength to Hulk levels but he is a pasifist and won't kill or rarely goes off.

Originally posted by golem370
Silver Surfer is able to increase his strength to Hulk levels but he is a pasifist and won't kill or rarely goes off. So you think Wonder Man can beat him?

Yeah but in this particular thread this is Hulk at his angerist and potentially Ulimited Strength.

Well no because Silver Surfer won't go out to beat WM he wouldn't need to. He grab a charging Rhino comic character by the horn and stoped him could with one hand

Originally posted by bigbran
Wait, are you honestly using Superman fighting Doomsday, and Darkseid as examples to why Hulk would beat him?

That's like saying that Thanos beat SS, and that is why I think that Wonder Man would beat Silver Surfer. Originally posted by golem370
Silver Surfer is able to increase his strength to Hulk levels but he is a pasifist and won't kill or rarely goes off.
Hmm...Originally posted by golem370
Yeah but in this particular thread this is Hulk at his angerist and potentially Ulimited Strength. But, yet you showed Hulk at Mindless form, at the opening post.
So are we using Mindless Hulk?

He obviously stops at 9.

8,9, and 11 can stop him

Originally posted by Soljer
MUNGI!

Come defend your boy! .

If not at Sasquatch and Atlas, at Thor and Hercules for sure.

Sasquatch in his base is damn near impossible for him to KO him. However, in 616 he did battle the Hulk for 30 minutes straight and when he traveled to an alternate reality he even defeated the Hulk.

However, really his best chance and would make him easily prevail is giving into Tanaraq.

Yeah, but Sasquatch admitted that he lost that fight and that he was nearly killed. Going into Tanaraq isn't going to be an easy win either. They probably stalemate.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, but Sasquatch admitted that he lost that fight and that he was nearly killed. Going into Tanaraq isn't going to be an easy win either. They probably stalemate.

We clearly saw he didn't easily lose and he didn;t nearly die that was never even said.

Actually it would be, he is the personification of death on Earth when it was first coming to life. Unless you believe Hulk can take an Elder God, that beings Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrified of (Great Beasts). All Tanaraq even has to do it look at Hulk as he did on Talisman (Dr.Strange's equal) attacking his hidden fires.

No matter how pissed off you make the Hulk, he still gets owned by Superman.

Hulk wouldn't be even able to touch Superman

Originally posted by King_Mungi
We clearly saw he didn't easily lose and he didn;t nearly die that was never even said.

Actually it would be, he is the personification of death on Earth when it was first coming to life. Unless you believe Hulk can take an Elder God, that beings Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrified of (Great Beasts). All Tanaraq even has to do it look at Hulk as he did on Talisman attacking his hidden fires.

Sasquatch admitted it twice, in the issue where he met with the Banner-Hulk.

This isn't your average Hulk. Or even a fiercely enraged one. This one is operating at 'maximum' (whatever the hell that means) capacity. There's really no telling how this would go down. Btw, what do you mean by hidden fires?

Hulk stops at 9. If he's at his 'angriest ever,' then anyone without super speed or some heavy matter manipulation is going to be hard pressed to take him down. If it's his 'angriest ever,' then every punch is going to be onslaught level, every thunderclap is going to be at near nuclear level, and every groundstomp is going to crush city blocks.

Even with all of that though, it takes a few seconds for him to get a thunderclap moving, and a couple of seconds is time for an assload of punches from Superman. IMO, he can take Supes hardest hits, he can take his heat vision, but he can't take all of them coming within a few seconds a few hundred times.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Sasquatch admitted it twice, in the issue where he met with the Banner-Hulk.

This isn't your average Hulk. Or even a fiercely enraged one. This one is operating at 'maximum' (whatever the hell that means) capacity. There's really no telling how this would go down. Btw, what do you mean by hidden fires?

No he didn't, I have both issues. He said he easily got beat when the duo were about to fight Wendigo, nothing about nearly dying. However, we saw he didn't actually get easily beat though and Sasquatch felt guilty for the fight so by feeling guilty he didn't increase his strength via rage just like the Hulk. Hell even enraged Sasquatch not Tanaraq punched a hole in reality, pissed off Sasquatch is no joke, but is forced to hold back most of the time as noted by him due to fear losing control to Tanaraq

Since the Great Beasts were the embodiments of death on Earth, it's stated: "the Great Beasts rule over death and decay, and can implore death and decay as a weapon against mankind". Basically your soul, what keeps you alive. That's just what Talisman, the Gods of the Artic and Great Beasts call it. Native-american jazz I assume.

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Originally posted by King_Mungi
No he didn't, I have both issues. He said he easily got beat when the duo were about to fight Wendigo, nothing about nearly dying. However, we saw he didn't actually get easily beat though and Sasquatch felt guilty for the fight so by feeling guilty he didn't increase his strength via rage just like the Hulk. Hell even enraged Sasquatch not Tanaraq punched a hole in reality, pissed off Sasquatch is no joke, but is forced to hold back most of the time as noted by him due to fear losing control to Tanaraq


Actually, we did see that. Just because it took a long time, doesn't mean it was a good showing for Sasquatch. Hulk was never in any danger during the fight. The same cannot be said for Sasquatch. An enraged Sasquatch would indeed be more of a match, but it would take Tanaraq to actually be able to stand up to him. Besides, was Tanaraq even present in the day? And yes, I'm pretty sure that Sasquatch said something about nearly dying or getting killed. Or at least something similar. I'll check it out monday, when I'm back at home. Or would you be so kind?





Was anything like that actually shown on panel? Because it sounds like a figure of speech.

Edit: thanks for the scans. It looks like something physical to me. Or just your average mumbo jumbo.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Actually, we did see that. Just because it took a long time, doesn't mean it was a good showing for Sasquatch. Hulk was never in any danger during the fight. The same cannot be said for Sasquatch. An enraged Sasquatch would indeed be more of a match, but it would take Tanaraq to actually be able to stand up to him. Besides, was Tanaraq even present in the day? And yes, I'm pretty sure that Sasquatch said something about nearly dying or getting killed. Or at least something similar. I'll check it out monday, when I'm back at home. Or would you be so kind?


Was anything like that actually shown on panel? Because it sounds like a figure of speech.

Edit: thanks for the scans. It looks like something physical to me. Or just your average mumbo jumbo.

Not really, basically they were trading blows and Sasquatch looked none the worse for wear in the end. Not really as I mentioned he even made several comments that he felt guilty for this fight and felt he was the true monster. We never saw Walter enraged and thus increasing his strength. Nope, I have both issues and never did. Just made comment about getting easily beat. There was a blow Hulk delvered that could have killed Sasquatch, (caption said) but he dodged it and the fight continued. The "killing blow" destroyed the mountain as it collasped on the duo and right afterwards the fight ended. However, Walter never made the comment about nearly dying against Hulk. Once again an enraged Sasquatch punched a hole in reality don't underestimate him.


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Pissed off Sasquatch brings down the house....literally. Sasquatch lets out a blow in the Plodex ship that brings all the realities together. Some members came from the arctic, some Montreal, etc. He punched a hole in the trans-displacement dimension to bring them all together

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Nope, even Exiles Tanaraq easily manhandled Zarathos, Exiles and Kulan Gath like they were mere toys. As stated, the Great Beasts are older than the Earth and "you (Ranaq) can do anything you please to".

Here's Tanaraq attacking Talisman hidden fires, never fully explained:
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LOL no way he can clear it, thats fanboy stuff

Makes it to either 9 or 10.

We've never really seen a "full-rage" Hulk. I say he stops at 9.

Maybe 8, certainly 9.

Originally posted by batdude123
No matter how pissed off you make the Hulk, he still gets owned by Superman.

Originally posted by golem370
He stays enraged during all of the battles. Let me say this again he at his angriest he has ever been

1.Captain America,Red Guardian & Hawkeye
2.Wolverine.Sabretooth & Black Panther
3.Spider-Man & Deathstroke
4.Deadpool,Elektra & Rhino
5.Gray Hulk & Thing
6.Namor the Sub-Mariner & Classic Wonder Man
7.Sasquatch & Atlas
8.Immortal Hercules & Thor/no Hammer
9.Superman
10.Doomsday/One Death
11.Drax with power gem
12.Thanos/no projection powers,Matter Manipulation or energy manipulation


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If he is really enraged - then he could indeed make it up to the Man of Steel(Superman), however, he would loose to him after a long drawn-out battle, which would be very reminiscent of the Superman vs Doomsday one.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not really, basically they were trading blows and Sasquatch looked none the worse for wear in the end. Not really as I mentioned he even made several comments that he felt guilty for this fight and felt he was the true monster. We never saw Walter enraged and thus increasing his strength. Nope, I have both issues and never did. Just made comment about getting easily beat. There was a blow Hulk delvered that could have killed Sasquatch, (caption said) but he dodged it and the fight continued. The "killing blow" destroyed the mountain as it collasped on the duo and right afterwards the fight ended. However, Walter never made the comment about nearly dying against Hulk. Once again an enraged Sasquatch punched a hole in reality don't underestimate him.


I'm not underestimating Sasquatch. But he managed to survive only because of his fighting skills and Hulk's clouding intellect. That works against regular Savage Hulk (although Sas lasted longer than he really should have, since he didn't get angry), but certainly not against the Hulk in THIS fight. All fighting experience and skills are pretty much nulled against something like that, so he's gonna need Tanaraq. Anyway, Sas may not have been angry, but he certainly WAS trying to k.o Hulk. He was rather surprised to find that he couldn't.

One thing that bothers me about this fight though, is that Hulk was actually trying to finish him off. He may have been angry, but he wasn't totally raving at that point anymore. Usually, barring some exceptions, he just leaves when he knows that an enemy/opponent is defeated. Quite disheartening.



No offense, but didn't he basically just smash a machine that collected those realities? He didn't seem to literally "punch a hole in reality". Maybe I'm missing the context here.

As for the hidden fire, we have no idea what that would do to an uber-Hulk. Or even a non-uber-Hulk. It may not even work at all, since the scan basically says she lacks the training and skill and that her "human nature" may or may not prove to be a problem. I think you can agree that Hulk isn't exactly a normal human, neither in mind nor power. I don't think there's anything constructive that can be said about this, for now.

Hulk at full rage would imo who slaughter Superman

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t354306.html

Hulk at "full rage" would indeed be devastating. Have we ever even seen him at that level? With Onslaught it might have been close. He still gets owned by any speedster, almost.

9. is certainly as far as he can possibly get if Superman uses his HUGE speed advantage. Sure, if they just slugged it out without superspeed Hulk could take it. Otherwise he gets owned BAD.

Originally posted by golem370
Hulk at full rage would imo who slaughter Superman

Top level versatility > top level strength.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
I'm not underestimating Sasquatch. But he managed to survive only because of his fighting skills and Hulk's clouding intellect. That works against regular Savage Hulk (although Sas lasted longer than he really should have, since he didn't get angry), but certainly not against the Hulk in THIS fight. All fighting experience and skills are pretty much nulled against something like that, so he's gonna need Tanaraq. Anyway, Sas may not have been angry, but he certainly WAS trying to k.o Hulk. He was rather surprised to find that he couldn't.

One thing that bothers me about this fight though, is that Hulk was actually trying to finish him off. He may have been angry, but he wasn't totally raving at that point anymore. Usually, barring some exceptions, he just leaves when he knows that an enemy/opponent is defeated. Quite disheartening.


No offense, but didn't he basically just smash a machine that collected those realities? He didn't seem to literally "punch a hole in reality". Maybe I'm missing the context here.

As for the hidden fire, we have no idea what that would do to an uber-Hulk. Or even a non-uber-Hulk. It may not even work at all, since the scan basically says she lacks the training and skill and that her "human nature" may or may not prove to be a problem. I think you can agree that Hulk isn't exactly a normal human, neither in mind nor power. I don't think there's anything constructive that can be said about this, for now.

Not really as I mentioned Sasquatch can increase his strength as well to elder god level before Tanaraq takes control. Base Sasquatch without getting angry lifted up a battlecruiser and tossed a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet while the engines were on...all with ease. He's no push over even in his base form. This was even a rookie Sasquatch battling Hulk, he was still new to the game and didn't know fully about his powers. Yeah he was trying, but he didn't use his other abilities to increase his strength, near the end he just felt so quilty and felt he was athe true monster. For all Sasquatch's feats handbook still list him at class 70...oh lordy.

Indeed, even one panel had Hulk turn completly red from pure rage. He was out for blood, serious blood.

Nope, he wasn't anywhere near the source of the machine. None of them were in the same area, even stated that.

It's his soul, since they can control death and decay...yeah not looking good for Hulk. That's Talisman, she can control skyfather beings, shes super uber and as said she has "godhood" powers. Hell another feat of hers is she teleported an entire city with hundreds of thousands of people into an alternate dimension. Anything can die, which the Great Beasts have complete control over since their the embodiments of death. I don't see Hulk taking out an Elder God even older than the Earth. Somon with his psychic death killed people who wern't exactally humans himself.
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"clearly you know nothing of the Great Beasts, else you would realize the folly of testing a god."

"Let's not waste time like this, Namora. Powerful you may be, but my strength is born of sorcery ancient as winter and black as night"

“I'm deathless as a fable. I'm mythology incarnate! How can you kill that which made the first men fear the darkness and the cold?"

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Top level versatility > top level strength.

The only thing Hulk would worry about is Superman's speed. But I would put Superman's speed versatility against Hulk willpower Healing Factor and his ability to fight Iron Man(Class90) Wonder Man(Class90) Hercules(Class100++) Namor(class100) She Hulk(Class75) and Doc Samson(Class60) at once

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Not really as I mentioned Sasquatch can increase his strength as well to elder god level before Tanaraq takes control. Base Sasquatch without getting angry lifted up a battlecruiser and tossed a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet while the engines were on...all with ease. He's no push over even in his base form. This was even a rookie Sasquatch battling Hulk, he was still new to the game and didn't know fully about his powers. Yeah he was trying, but he didn't use his other abilities to increase his strength, near the end he just felt so quilty and felt he was athe true monster. For all Sasquatch's feats handbook still list him at class 70...oh lordy.

Sure, but going by that logic, Hulk should never have been trouble beating some of the guys he fought, especially not physically. He has moved tectonic plates, A space ship, thousands of tons of wood and a lot of other big stuff. Really, unless Hulk wasn't completely angry, he should've at least knocked him out. Push over or not, a Sasquatch at base is no threat to him. I'm still not sure if Sas even had his strength-anger thing at the time. Was it a retcon?



I think we already went over this a while ago. As you can clearly see from the scan, the red was a misprint. Nothing more. Unless you believe that Hulk's rage also affects the air surrounding his ears?

But seriously, misprints like that were incredibly common in the days. I've seen dozens of them. And boy oh boy, Peter Parker must have been one seriously pissed off fella during his birthday party! He even turned purple!



Hmmm...cool. Could you or anyone else provide some more scans? Because it's a little unclear.

Enlighten me, how does all that relate to Sasquatch/Tanaraq? Does Tanaraq have all those abilities? Edit: oh wait, I get it.

Anyway, your regular Hulk may or may not fare differently, but this one is really something else. He's not a god, but he doesn't have to be a god if Tanaraq manifests itself as mostly a physical being. You're applying ABC-logic.

Originally posted by golem370
The only thing Hulk would worry about is Superman's speed. But I would put Superman's speed versatility against Hulk willpower Healing Factor and his ability to fight Iron Man(Class90) Wonder Man(Class90) Hercules(Class100++) Namor(class100) She Hulk(Class75) and Doc Samson(Class60) at once

Superman would wreck Hulk 100/99.

Yeah right sure like he did Doomsday sure. Hulk shattered a asteroid 2 times the size of Earth with one shot and I doubt even then he was very pissed. Let say that Superman is flying at Hulk at 1,000 miles per hour and let say that Hulks jumps at Superman at 500 miles per hour and they both land incaluclable strength punches what would happen?

*sigh* Fanboys

Originally posted by golem370
Yeah right sure like he did Doomsday sure.

1. That was 13 years ago. Superman's power has increase MANY folds.

2. Doomsday would own Hulk.

3. Doomsday died first, so technically, that was a victory for Superman.

Originally posted by golem370
Hulk shattered a asteroid 2 times the size of Earth with one shot and I doubt even then he was very pissed.

And Post-Crisis Superman moved something that dwarfed the size of the solar system.

Originally posted by golem370
Let say that Superman is flying at Hulk at 1,000 miles per hour and let say that Hulks jumps at Superman at 500 miles per hour and they both land incaluclable strength punches what would happen?

You really don't know much about Superman, do you? Or even Hulk for that matter.

Hulk can't move at speeds of hundreds of miles per hour. Superman is a shit load faster than 1,000 miles per hour. Hulk wouldn't even register Superman as a blurr. He'd be blitzed horrendously, and then die.

Superman 10/10. Piss Hulk off for twenty years.... he'd still lose.

Originally posted by batdude123



Die? No.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Die? No.

If Superman did it long enough, yeah Hulk would die.

Originally posted by batdude123
If Superman did it long enough, yeah Hulk would die.

Aren't there plenty of people who survived a Superman speedblitz?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Aren't there plenty of people who survived a Superman speedblitz?

He holds back and puts mental blocks upon himself. Plus, he's no killer.

But with no CIS and with Superman going all out? If he did it long enough, Hulk would be overwhelmed and he'd die.

Originally posted by batdude123
He holds back and puts mental blocks upon himself. Plus, he's no killer.

But with no CIS and with Superman going all out? If he did it long enough, Hulk would be overwhelmed and he'd die.

No, I mean against other Superman level beings. Like Wonder Woman.

There are pictures of him hitting Quicksilver and other land speedsters. and I also seen pics of him leaping and passing a Jet. Hulk would break Supes jaw the Neck and then his Back. Doomsday would get owned to quit drinking that haterade

Originally posted by Dinalfos
No, I mean against other Superman level beings. Like Wonder Woman.

He ALWAYS holds back. He's not a murderer.

Well Hulk would give a Shite that Superman is holding back.

Originally posted by golem370
Well Hulk would give a Shite that Superman is holding back.

That's why there's no CIS and they're fighting to the best of their abilities and are bloodlusted.

Hulk would get the shit beat out of him before he even knew what happened.

He murders comic book with his dorky Brownie Girls Help I've fallen and can't get up CRAP!

Originally posted by golem370
He murders comic book with his dorky Brownie Girls Help I've fallen and can't get up CRAP!

Um.... que??

He wouldn't know what to do against This



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End Of Story

Originally posted by golem370
He wouldn't know what to do against This End Of Story.



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Sure he would. He'd kick the shit out of it.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Actually for all we know he could do all that as well, he was never put in those situations. Hell, there wasn't even a limit to his strength in base level as over 200 tons with something of ease for Walter. At that time, he was in pretty good control over his body but shortly after the Hulk fight we see him losing control. Such as against the Collector, Sasquatch was getting angry and stoped a Boxer an interdimensional trap from the Vegan timeline, an impossible feat said by the elder of the universe

Yeah, who knows. But Sasquatch was, up to that point, always a bit of a second rate Hulk, in terms of powers and abilities. Apparently, Sas didn't even know about any strength increase, because he remarked that he may have had the edge at the beginning of the fight, but was then outmatched physically. If he himself had those powers at the time, he would've said something else. Or at least that's my estimation.





Well, you don't have to accept it if you really don't want to. But it would be kind of silly. Just look at the scan. I've seen Hulk "turn red" without him being madly enraged. And yes, the air surrounding his head is red as well. I'm sorry my friend, but it really IS a misprint.



Well, all I saw was Sas smashing something and then the problem was solved. I haven't read the issue, so I don't know exactly what was going on. That's why I asked for more scans.

Exiles Sasquatch from what universe?




Huh? I though you were referring to Talisman? Tanaraq has all of Talisman's powers?

Above Hulk in terms of what? Physical power? That doesn't mean anything here. This Hulk has ungodly amounts of strength and corresponding durability. And it's not even an outside power up. Tanaraq, according to several sources, is only "several times stronger and more durable" than regular Sasquatch. I'm not buying that or anything, but this kind of Hulk should definitely be able to hold his own against Tanaraq.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yeah, who knows. But Sasquatch was, up to that point, always a bit of a second rate Hulk, in terms of powers and abilities. Apparently, Sas didn't even know about any strength increase, because he remarked that he may have had the edge at the beginning of the fight, but was then outmatched physically. If he himself had those powers at the time, he would've said something else. Or at least that's my estimation.


Nope as I mentioned he was cool hand luke, his powers didn't start to go crazy yet. They really didn't go crazy until his battle against the Super Skrull where he just went into a mindless rage, not Tanaraq just a mindless rage. As I mentioned this was one of Sasquatch's first apperances, he thought at this time he transformed due to he mimicked the process that created the Hulk, but until later he found out he actually opened an interdimensional portal and Tanaraq made him his avatar.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Well, you don't have to accept it if you really don't want to. But it would be kind of silly. Just look at the scan. I've seen Hulk "turn red" without him being madly enraged. And yes, the air surrounding his head is red as well. I'm sorry my friend, but it really IS a misprint.

I just checked again and there is a small area colored red under his left ear, but moot point anyways Hulk was still in a murderous fury anyways.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Well, all I saw was Sas smashing something and then the problem was solved. I haven't read the issue, so I don't know exactly what was going on. That's why I asked for more scans.

Exiles Sasquatch from what universe?

We all of them went to different parts of Canada to try to track the Plodex ship and then suddenly all ended up in the same location, when they wern't in the trans-displacement trap and then Sasquatch broke it. If I have time I will try to get the lead up scans, but there isn't much else to add. Probally not tonight as UFC will be on...go Cote!

Earth #3470

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Huh? I though you were referring to Talisman? Tanaraq has all of Talisman's powers

Above Hulk in terms of what? Physical power? That doesn't mean anything here. This Hulk has ungodly amounts of strength and corresponding durability. And it's not even an outside power up. Tanaraq, according to several sources, is only "several times stronger and more durable" than regular Sasquatch. I'm not buying that or anything, but this kind of Hulk should definitely be able to hold his own against Tanaraq.

Oh no I thought you meant Sasquatch's powers. Talisman is one of the top-tier and could control skyfathers due to them being from the spirit world. She is the gods avatars to fight all forms of evil and the binder of spirits.

Above everything, as I mentioned several times he's an elder god. Can Hulk take an elder god? Tanaraq has shown to attack your soul just by looking at you and the Great Beasts rule death and decay. Hulk has strength and durability, that's not enough to take an elder god. What sources? as his strength increase and durable was never stated how much it increased. If your talking about the alpanex entry I was the one who made that, oh hell I will go correct it now. In 616 the only thing to stop Tanaraq, was Tanaraq himself as Snowbird transformed into his form.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope as I mentioned he was cool hand luke, his powers didn't start to go crazy yet. They really didn't go crazy until his battle against the Super Skrull where he just went into a mindless rage, not Tanaraq just a mindless rage. As I mentioned this was one of Sasquatch's first apperances, he thought at this time he transformed due to he mimicked the process that created the Hulk, but until later he found out he actually opened an interdimensional portal and Tanaraq made him his avatar.

Cool. I saw the fight with Skrull. It's not really Sasquatch getting angry, just Tanaraq slowly taking over. So basically, it WAS Tanaraq, just not in full control.



It's surrounding his head, actually.

Yes, he was furious, but he calmed down because he saw the fear in the eyes of his friend. When he hit Sasquatch again after that, he was not as angry anymore. He even seemed to hold back a little by backhanding Sas.



Okay, cool.

I don't think you should use non-canon Tanaraq as evidence. All bets are usually off when it comes to alternate realities.




Pretty much all sources (including MarvelDirectory and Marvel), barring a few exceptions. I know "several" is a loose estimation, but still.

Hulk isn't going to lose just BECAUSE Tanaraq is supposed to be an elder god. You don't have to be a god to possess godlike power, nor do you have to be a non-god to have non-godlike powers. And Hulk's physical strength in this fight is theoretically "godlike". remember, godhood is often a title, not necessarily a measure. I mean, many people have tried to stare, burn, mind**** etc. him to death. They failed. I can imagine that all of Hulk's resistance to psychological and spiritual tampering is exponentially increased along with his physical abilities. I'm not saying Tanaraq can't do it, I'm saying we can't know. What we do know, however, is that Hulk is by definition on Tanaraq's physical level, if not above.

As for Snowbird stopping Tanaraq, just because the narrator says something like that, it doesn't mean he can't be stopped at all. You shouldn't take that too literally.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Cool. I saw the fight with Skrull. It's not really Sasquatch getting angry, just Tanaraq slowly taking over. So basically, it WAS Tanaraq, just not in full control.

Nope just angry, as when Tanaraq takes control he isn't a savage beast. Actually talks normal and has complete control of his emoitons and rage. As stated if Walter experiences anger or pain, he slowly takes control. When Tanaraq takes off the personality of the host completly dies unless magical interferance occurs. Walter still had control.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

It's surrounding his head, actually.

Not all of it, I just looked.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Yes, he was furious, but he calmed down because he saw the fear in the eyes of his friend. When he hit Sasquatch again after that, he was not as angry anymore. He even seemed to hold back a little by backhanding Sas.

Well at that point the fight was over, Sasquatch didn't want to fight anymore and basically offered himself to the Hulk to what he felt would save the woman. Prior to that Hulk was bloodlusted until he saw his friend and jumped away crying.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Okay, cool.

I don't think you should use non-canon Tanaraq as evidence. All bets are usually off when it comes to alternate realities.

Writer of the issue in an interview stated he is the exact representation of 616 Tanaraq. 616 Tanaraq soul attacked Talisman, and 616 Great Beasts are being that Mauvais fears and Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat him.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Pretty much all sources (including MarvelDirectory and Marvel), barring a few exceptions. I know "several" is a loose estimation, but still.

Hulk isn't going to lose just BECAUSE Tanaraq is supposed to be an elder god. You don't have to be a god to possess godlike power, nor do you have to be a non-god to have non-godlike powers. And Hulk's physical strength in this fight is theoretically "godlike". remember, godhood is often a title, not necessarily a measure. I mean, many people have tried to stare, burn, mind**** etc. him to death. They failed. I can imagine that all of Hulk's resistance to psychological and spiritual tampering is exponentially increased along with his physical abilities. I'm not saying Tanaraq can't do it, I'm saying we can't know. What we do know, however, is that Hulk is by definition on Tanaraq's physical level, if not above.



As for Snowbird stopping Tanaraq, just because the narrator says something like that, it doesn't mean he can't be stopped at all. You shouldn't take that too literally.

Marveldirectory, didn't even mention anything about Tanaraq giving him strength when he takes control. Even marvel.com actually had serious errors "Since taking over Snowbird's original body, he can now achieve his Sasquatch form with relative little pain or effort. " That's wrong, he suffered no pains before that even stated he didn't need to do the mantra before his death.

Tanaraq: http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Tanaraq
Tanaraq (Exiles): http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Tanaraq_%28Exiles%29

Not suppose to be, he is an Elder God that's a stated fact. Except there was no established limit to Tanaraq, through his durability or strength. They mentioned it was incalcuable, but really no one has fully tested him to fully go unleashed. Tanaraq is higher tier than those who tried, and Tanaraq's abilities even proved effective against Talisman, who is insanely powerful. Plus as mentioned he controls death and decay, if he wants you dead...your dead.

He can be stopped, but by the likes of just a bruiser? unlikely. He's an elder god, who manhandled basically anyone who he comes across. He's death incarnate

Superman beats this ravaging hulk, like he has done in writer driven crossovers, not that fan voted crap, stops at 7 for sure, maybe even before!

Originally posted by usagi_yojimbo
If he is really enraged - then he could indeed make it up to the Man of Steel(Superman), however, he would loose to him after a long drawn-out battle, which would be very reminiscent of the Superman vs Doomsday one. You think Hulk could kill Superman?

Originally posted by golem370
There are pictures of him hitting Quicksilver and other land speedsters. and I also seen pics of him leaping and passing a Jet. Hulk would break Supes jaw the Neck and then his Back. Doomsday would get owned to quit drinking that haterade ... None of this is even comparable to Superman...

Normal Hulk gets stopped at 9

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Nope just angry, as when Tanaraq takes control he isn't a savage beast. Actually talks normal and has complete control of his emoitons and rage. As stated if Walter experiences anger or pain, he slowly takes control. When Tanaraq takes off the personality of the host completly dies unless magical interferance occurs. Walter still had control.

He was acting like a wild beast. That's not really Sasquatch himself. My guess is that Tanaraq continuously grows and grows, but that he can be oppressed to a certain extent. This is what's being suggested in various bios. So no, he's not taking over completely, but if Sas stops resisting on a subconscious level, he will.




Well, obviously not all of it. But enough to tell that it was a misprint.



Yes, he basically gave up. But still, without going into a raging frenzy, Sasquatch should've been taken out. That, or Hulk wasn't that angry.




That's besides the point. Exact representation or not, these characters are often used differently in relation to other characters. Many of them get killed or otherwise defeated, regardless of whether it makes sense or not. Even if that's not the case here, there's simply no telling if the writers took unnecessary liberties, as they're often not the same as the mainstream continuity ones. It's a principal, imo.



Yeah, but Marvel.com is the official web site, so I guess that must mean SOMETHING. And Alphanex is Free Content, so it can be edited by the fans.

Considering her powers, Talisman seemed to be jobbing a little. But if all Tanaraq had to do was attacking her "hidden fires", there's no guarantee that it would work on a maxed out Hulk. And controlling death and decay, what does that even mean? It could work only if it's magical/ mystical in output, and even then it's more than iffy. So, yeah, I still say they stalemate. That is, f Tanaraq comes out before it's too late. Sas starts at a major disadvantage.

Originally posted by Innerhype
Normal Hulk gets stopped at 9 Normal Hulk gets stopped way before that.

Originally posted by bigbran
Normal Hulk gets stopped way before that.

This IS normal Hulk, just maxed out.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
This IS normal Hulk, just maxed out. I think he means starts out not enraged.

Originally posted by bigbran
I think he means starts out not enraged.

Aye.

But I doubt anyone on the list would survive a single blow from the Hulk if he is at the level the OP puts him at.

Originally posted by Innerhype
Aye.

But I doubt anyone on the list would survive a single blow from the Hulk if he is at the level the OP puts him at. Not even funny...

if he's at full rage as in no upper limit he should clear this

Originally posted by lando005
if he's at full rage as in no upper limit he should clear this Originally posted by bigbran
Not even funny...

Originally posted by Dinalfos
He was acting like a wild beast. That's not really Sasquatch himself. My guess is that Tanaraq continuously grows and grows, but that he can be oppressed to a certain extent. This is what's being suggested in various bios. So no, he's not taking over completely, but if Sas stops resisting on a subconscious level, he will. .

That;s Sasquatch angry, just like how he destroyed Thing when he was wearing the exo-suit. Not quite Walter and not quite Tanaraq. Walter doesn't have much choice actually, he has tried to stop Tanaraq but even transforming each time into Sasquatch Tanaraq slowly begins to take control. If nothing major externally happens, then it would take a period for Tanaraq to gain complete control.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Yes, he basically gave up. But still, without going into a raging frenzy, Sasquatch should've been taken out. That, or Hulk wasn't that angry.

No we saw Hulk was VERY angry. Sasquatch has beaten an alternate reality Savage Hulk as well, of course this was after he was able to increase his strength via anger or pain. As well as gone toe to toe with other class 100 characters yet didn't resort to getting angry.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

That's besides the point. Exact representation or not, these characters are often used differently in relation to other characters. Many of them get killed or otherwise defeated, regardless of whether it makes sense or not. Even if that's not the case here, there's simply no telling if the writers took unnecessary liberties, as they're often not the same as the mainstream continuity ones. It's a principal, imo.

Except interviews stated that unvierse was in is the exact same representation of when Kulan Gath took over the world in 616. This is the world if he never was stopped at all and if the world wasn't returned to normal. It's the exact same as the 616 universe as the writer mentioned.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Yeah, but Marvel.com is the official web site, so I guess that must mean SOMETHING. And Alphanex is Free Content, so it can be edited by the fans.

Considering her powers, Talisman seemed to be jobbing a little. But if all Tanaraq had to do was attacking her "hidden fires", there's no guarantee that it would work on a maxed out Hulk. And controlling death and decay, what does that even mean? It could work only if it's magical/ mystical in output, and even then it's more than iffy. So, yeah, I still say they stalemate. That is, f Tanaraq comes out before it's too late. Sas starts at a major disadvantage.

Anyone can edit on marvel.com, and nope not everyone can edit the alphanex. Big difference

Not really, even Dr,Strange level mystics are terrified of the Great Beasts, and as shown Exiles Tanaraq manhandled Kulan Gath. What are you talking about? why would it work on the binder of spirits but not Hulk? that makes no sense. What? Tanaraq is magic, but his powers have worked on both magic and normal beings. Oh I don't think Tanaraq would come out here as it was not stipulated as he is allowed. Hulk has nothing on this elder god.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
That;s Sasquatch angry, just like how he destroyed Thing when he was wearing the exo-suit. Not quite Walter and not quite Tanaraq. Walter doesn't have much choice actually, he has tried to stop Tanaraq but even transforming each time into Sasquatch Tanaraq slowly begins to take control. If nothing major externally happens, then it would take a period for Tanaraq to gain complete control.

A normal human mind doesn't usually start roaring and ravaging like a beast. That was Tanaraq's increasing influence. Just because Hulk can be a beast, it doesn't mean Bruce is gone completely. Yet, we can say that it's primarily Hulk who's acting. It seems to me as if Tanaraq managed to gain more control, just not everything.



Very angry, but the thing is that he can ALWAYS become angrier. "Very angry" doesn't mean much in and of itself. I saw the fight in which he beat Hulk. It looked like PIS to me, which is one of the reasons why alternate realities are so unreliable. Hell, even the mainstream continuity has a hard time getting it right (for many characters!), so the alternate ones hold no value to me. None. They can be amusing, but also inconsistent and cheap.




Again, this is besides the point. There are many stories/books that claim to be an actual representation with an alternate spin on them, but they often turn out to be shakey at best. You can choose to accept them, but I don't. I'm not going to use non-canon evidence in my favour either. Well, not on purpose anyway.




Because not everything works on everybody. Because Hulk is immune or highly resistant to things other guys aren't. Because Hulk is not the binder of spirits and the Binder of Spirits ain't the Hulk. I mean, who the hell could've thought that Ghostrider's Penance Stare doesn't work on Venom, while it does or should on guys far more powerful? It's all about factors. Maybe some stuff works on Hulk that doesn't on others, such as SS's ability to drain (gamma) radiation. Unless Tanaraq displays vast magical/mystical powers himself, beyond the "death, decay and hidden fires" vagueness.

Alright, good night to y'all.

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Originally posted by Dinalfos
A normal human mind doesn't usually start roaring and ravaging like a beast. That was Tanaraq's increasing influence. Just because Hulk can be a beast, it doesn't mean Bruce is gone completely. Yet, we can say that it's primarily Hulk who's acting. It seems to me as if Tanaraq managed to gain more control, just not everything.

In comics apparently it does, Wild Child, Sabertooth, Wolverine, Feral, etc. etc. Yes it was his increasing influence, but he still was far away from being Tanaraq himself. Eh? that's what I was saying, the more rage or pain he feels the more he loses control.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Very angry, but the thing is that he can ALWAYS become angrier. "Very angry" doesn't mean much in and of itself. I saw the fight in which he beat Hulk. It looked like PIS to me, which is one of the reasons why alternate realities are so unreliable. Hell, even the mainstream continuity has a hard time getting it right (for many characters!), so the alternate ones hold no value to me. None. They can be amusing, but also inconsistent and cheap.

Hulk was out for blood, how often do you see that? not to often. He was down right pissed. Why do you say PIS when it looks badly for your character? Sasquatch is no joke look at his track record. Llan as stated created the altnerate reality characters even in some cases stronger than their 616 counterparts.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Again, this is besides the point. There are many stories/books that claim to be an actual representation with an alternate spin on them, but they often turn out to be shakey at best. You can choose to accept them, but I don't. I'm not going to use non-canon evidence in my favour either. Well, not on purpose anyway.

Mostly I don't, but however, the writer in an interview stated it to be a exact reflection of when Kulan Gath went wild in 616. Even Exiles Sasquatch has very similar comparisons to 616. Through battling with Talisman to a stand still and a foe Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrifed of the Great Beasts. The Gods of the Artic who created the Wendigo and manhandled Mauvais are the Great Beasts equal.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Because not everything works on everybody. Because Hulk is immune or highly resistant to things other guys aren't. Because Hulk is not the binder of spirits and the Binder of Spirits ain't the Hulk. I mean, who the hell could've thought that Ghostrider's Penance Stare doesn't work on Venom, while it does or should on guys far more powerful? It's all about factors. Maybe some stuff works on Hulk that doesn't on others, such as SS's ability to drain (gamma) radiation. Unless Tanaraq displays vast magical/mystical powers himself, beyond the "death, decay and hidden fires" vagueness.

immune to Elder gods manipulation? unlikely. Talisman is on a higher plane than Hulk yet she was even killed by Somon (breifly) and Tanaraq's attacks worked on her. There is nothing to indicate a person who is said to have "godhood" powers and his attacked worked on them would not on Hulk. Hulk lives and isn't immortal so thus he can die why wouldn't it work? Well considering he made Talisman magic blow up in her face yeah, even Ranaq was warping reality and Kolomaq (living embodiment of winter) castied forth a blizzard that equaled a million winters. We have yet to see the Great Beasts unleashed, but what we have seen is impressive

Originally posted by King_Mungi
In comics apparently it does, Wild Child, Sabertooth, Wolverine, Feral, etc. etc. Yes it was his increasing influence, but he still was far away from being Tanaraq himself. Eh? that's what I was saying, the more rage or pain he feels the more he loses control.



Hulk was out for blood, how often do you see that? not to often. He was down right pissed. Why do you say PIS when it looks badly for your character? Sasquatch is no joke look at his track record. Llan as stated created the altnerate reality characters even in some cases stronger than their 616 counterparts.



Mostly I don't, but however, the writer in an interview stated it to be a exact reflection of when Kulan Gath went wild in 616. Even Exiles Sasquatch has very similar comparisons to 616. Through battling with Talisman to a stand still and a foe Dr.Strange was unsure he could beat was terrifed of the Great Beasts. The Gods of the Artic who created the Wendigo and manhandled Mauvais are the Great Beasts equal.



immune to Elder gods manipulation? unlikely. Talisman is on a higher plane than Hulk yet she was even killed by Somon (breifly) and Tanaraq's attacks worked on her. There is nothing to indicate a person who is said to have "godhood" powers and his attacked worked on them would not on Hulk. Hulk lives and isn't immortal so thus he can die why wouldn't it work? Well considering he made Talisman magic blow up in her face yeah, even Ranaq was warping reality and Kolomaq (living embodiment of winter) castied forth a blizzard that equaled a million winters. We have yet to see the Great Beasts unleashed, but what we have seen is impressive

Euh mate you know I respect you and will never debate you on Alphe flight, but dude this is mindless hulk, a never ending source of power ( and because he misses banner) there is nothing that can stop his rage.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
In comics apparently it does, Wild Child, Sabertooth, Wolverine, Feral, etc. etc. Yes it was his increasing influence, but he still was far away from being Tanaraq himself. Eh? that's what I was saying, the more rage or pain he feels the more he loses control.

Yes, that's why you could say that it was Tanaraq becoming dominant, despite the fact that Sas/Walter wasn't consumed entirely just yet. So you could say that it was Tanaraq, because I sure as hell didn't see any Sas left in that roaring orange furball.




Which is why an non-angry Sas should've fallen almost immediately. If you think he shouldn't have, then why accept the PIS of Hulk's defeat in Exiles? I mean, Sas kicked him through a window and he didn't get up. Seriously, wtf?! That fight (and many others not involving Hulk) is enough reason for me to not accept Exiles or stand alone non-canon stuff as valid proof. The writing is even lazier and more inconsiderate than a lot canon stuff. And we all know what that means.



Many writers have said that. I'm not buying it. it's already hard enough to extrapolate the truth from in continuity stories.



Talisman is a magician, but that doesn't say ANYTHING about her resistance or resilience in relation to some attack patterns. Some of the most powerful creatures outthere are susceptible to telepathy. Just BECAUSE someone is powerful in some fields, it doesn't mean he can take whatever is coming at him. You see, Hulk does not have magic, so it can't blow up in his face. That's the downside of being a magician. Tanaraq apparently controls death and decay, so what? Even if it did work, who's to say that Hulk's will power and natural resistance can't reduce and even null the effect? Especially at THIS particular level. We've seen him do similar stuff in the past. And to tell you the truth, I'm not really convinced of Tanaraq's powers, so far.

Originally posted by golem370
Yeah right sure like he did Doomsday sure. Hulk shattered a asteroid 2 times the size of Earth with one shot and I doubt even then he was very pissed. Let say that Superman is flying at Hulk at 1,000 miles per hour and let say that Hulks jumps at Superman at 500 miles per hour and they both land incaluclable strength punches what would happen? Stop using Doomsday.

Doomsdfay has something Hulk does not .

SUPERSPEED

Doomsday is equal to Superman in speed which is why a speedblitz wont work on Doomsday.

Hulk is not nearly as fast as Doomsday.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Yes, that's why you could say that it was Tanaraq becoming dominant, despite the fact that Sas/Walter wasn't consumed entirely just yet. So you could say that it was Tanaraq, because I sure as hell didn't see any Sas left in that roaring orange furball.

No, because Sasquatch has rountinely been in the exact same siatuation such as making the waterfall, battling exo-suit Thing, Collector, Wrecking Crew...etc. and he still has a form of control. It's far from being Tanaraq. Stated fact in Alpha Flight

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Which is why an non-angry Sas should've fallen almost immediately. If you think he shouldn't have, then why accept the PIS of Hulk's defeat in Exiles? I mean, Sas kicked him through a window and he didn't get up. Seriously, wtf?! That fight (and many others not involving Hulk) is enough reason for me to not accept Exiles or stand alone non-canon stuff as valid proof. The writing is even lazier and more inconsiderate than a lot canon stuff. And we all know what that means.

No a non-angry Sasquatch base form had no limit to his strength we had no idea what he was capable of. Such as tossing a 250 ton DC-10 1000 feet in reverse, crashing into a building even while the engines were still. The engines were stated to produce 150,000 pounds of thrust and Sasquatch caught the plane in mid-air. In Exiles? Sasquatch never beat the Hulk in Exiles. What are you talking about?

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Many writers have said that. I'm not buying it. it's already hard enough to extrapolate the truth from in continuity stories.

Up to you, but it's a stated fact.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Talisman is a magician, but that doesn't say ANYTHING about her resistance or resilience in relation to some attack patterns. Some of the most powerful creatures outthere are susceptible to telepathy. Just BECAUSE someone is powerful in some fields, it doesn't mean he can take whatever is coming at him. You see, Hulk does not have magic, so it can't blow up in his face. That's the downside of being a magician. Tanaraq apparently controls death and decay, so what? Even if it did work, who's to say that Hulk's will power and natural resistance can't reduce and even null the effect? Especially at THIS particular level. We've seen him do similar stuff in the past. And to tell you the truth, I'm not really convinced of Tanaraq's powers, so far.

Actually it does, as once again "godhood". Talisman has telepathy, etc. etc. Hulk has NO immunity to magic, so don't pull that card. Wow now your overestimating Hulk, he's going to stop an Elder God who controls death and deacy from killing him? Come on man. You would be wrong, Tanaraq even without showing his full power dominated anyone who he came across.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
No, because Sasquatch has rountinely been in the exact same siatuation such as making the waterfall, battling exo-suit Thing, Collector, Wrecking Crew...etc. and he still has a form of control. It's far from being Tanaraq. Stated fact in Alpha Flight

A form of control does not mean Tanaraq can't be dominant sometimes. It's just that dominance doesn't automatically mean full control. There are varying degrees, obviously. The fight with Skrull was a moment where Tanaraq took over, just not to an extent that could consume Walter entirely. It wasn't too late.




That goes for Hulk as well. But you're missing the point. If Sas could defeat Hulk by kicking him through a window, then Sas should've been knocked out by an enraged Hulk's punch.

Btw, a non-angry Sas does have a limit to his strength. Hell, it's not even incalculable, just unknown. Like Hulk.



Oh, I'm sure it is.



Godhood in and of itself means nothing. In the Marvel world, "godhood" does not imply some sort of set power level. There are powerful gods and not so powerful gods. And no, I'm not overestimating Hulk. How the hell am I? This is, again, a maxed out Hulk. He's not going to be stopped without significant magical tampering. You know, blinking him out of existence or banishing him to another dimension and stuff like that. You seem to be under the impression that we're dealing with regular Savage Hulk. If that were the case, you'd have a point here. But for now, too many ifs and buts.

Btw, I didn't say Hulk was immune to magic.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
A form of control does not mean Tanaraq can't be dominant sometimes. It's just that dominance doesn't automatically mean full control. There are varying degrees, obviously. The fight with Skrull was a moment where Tanaraq took over, just not to an extent that could consume Walter entirely. It wasn't too late.

It's a stated fact, all those times were not Tanaraq in the dominant personality. Actually no, they even said it in the next few issues, Walter from a distance had some form of control but he was still sliping. That wasn't Tanaraq, just angry Walter.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

That goes for Hulk as well. But you're missing the point. If Sas could defeat Hulk by kicking him through a window, then Sas should've been knocked out by an enraged Hulk's punch.

Btw, a non-angry Sas does have a limit to his strength. Hell, it's not even incalculable, just unknown. Like Hulk.

He didn't beat him by kicking him through a window, so no I don't see your point

I meant we never knew what his limits were, I never said non-angry was incalucable just high so it's not PIS/CIS that he could hold his own with the Hulk as long as he did. As stated he was created to be Hulk's equal, the Canadian Hulk as John Bryne put it.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

Godhood in and of itself means nothing. In the Marvel world, "godhood" does not imply some sort of set power level. There are powerful gods and not so powerful gods. And no, I'm not overestimating Hulk. How the hell am I? This is, again, a maxed out Hulk. He's not going to be stopped without significant magical tampering. You know, blinking him out of existence or banishing him to another dimension and stuff like that. You seem to be under the impression that we're dealing with regular Savage Hulk. If that were the case, you'd have a point here. But for now, too many ifs and buts.

Btw, I didn't say Hulk was immune to magic.

Talisman can control skyfather beings merely because they are from the spirit world. She beat Llan a being who nearly easily killed Dr.Strange...twice. Your saying an elder god can't beat Hulk who just has limitless strength? Magic works on everything, he has no defence against that. So when other people who are even magical beings tried and failed against Tanaraq, why would a brute with strength not work? No I know who we are talking about, but Tanaraq is an Elder God, the embodiment of death on Earth. I don't see how you can compare the two.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
It's a stated fact, all those times were not Tanaraq in the dominant personality. Actually no, they even said it in the next few issues, Walter from a distance had some form of control but he was still sliping. That wasn't Tanaraq, just angry Walter.

When Walter is slipping into savagery, I wouldn't see him as the dominant one. Like I said, dominance has degrees to it. But let's not go into semantics.




Wait, so what fight are you referring to? I remember him getting kicked or leg pressed through a window and not getting up again.

So by your logic a perfectly calm Hulk can hold his own against a fiercely enraged Sasquatch?



I'm not saying anything with certainty. I'm saying "Elder God" in and of itself doesn't mean much. For example, A god who has purely physical strength to put out, is not guaranteed to win anything. I'm not saying Tanaraq is purely physical, because I don't think he is. But still, Tanaraq is an elder god in control of an earthly being. As far as I know, his most significant abilities are strength, speed, endurance, reflexes, senses, and durability. Has he ever shown to live up to his title of "ruler of death and decay" in literal way? Or is it just like a boxer nicknamed King Of The Ring?

Originally posted by Dinalfos
When Walter is slipping into savagery, I wouldn't see him as the dominant one. Like I said, dominance has degrees to it. But let's not go into semantics.

Just saying that was far from Tanaraq


Originally posted by Dinalfos

Wait, so what fight are you referring to? I remember him getting kicked or leg pressed through a window and not getting up again.

So by your logic a perfectly calm Hulk can hold his own against a fiercely enraged Sasquatch?

One in AF #77, and no they tackled each other in a building and eventually Sasquatch emerged out.

For a period..yes. As we saw with the Sasquatch vs. Hulk fight.

Originally posted by Dinalfos

I'm not saying anything with certainty. I'm saying "Elder God" in and of itself doesn't mean much. For example, A god who has purely physical strength to put out, is not guaranteed to win anything. I'm not saying Tanaraq is purely physical, because I don't think he is. But still, Tanaraq is an elder god in control of an earthly being. As far as I know, his most significant abilities are strength, speed, endurance, reflexes, senses, and durability. Has he ever shown to live up to his title of "ruler of death and decay" in literal way? Or is it just like a boxer nicknamed King Of The Ring?

Except the Great Beasts have the feats to back up their elder god claims. Different Great Beasts have different power, and he has magical powers as well as stated but we don't know the full effects as 616 Tanaraq didn't stay in our realm for long. He's not the ruler, but he commands death and decay against mankind and Hulk is one of them. Nope, multiple people have refered them as the embodiments of death and decay and rule over it in Exiles and 616.

Originally posted by King_Mungi One in AF #77, and no they tackled each other in a building and eventually Sasquatch emerged out.

For a period..yes. As we saw with the Sasquatch vs. Hulk fight.


Don't you mean #75?

I disagree. The difference in strength and durability between an enraged Sasquatch (or Hulk) and a calm Hulk (or Sasquatch) is more than significant. We're speaking thousands of tons, realistically, if not more. They both need to become stronger FAST, or they would lose within seconds against the other. That's my estimation.




I've heard many things like this. I'm gonna need more facts.

Originally posted by Dinalfos
Don't you mean #75?

I disagree. The difference in strength and durability between an enraged Sasquatch (or Hulk) and a calm Hulk (or Sasquatch) is more than significant. We're speaking thousands of tons, realistically, if not more. They both need to become stronger FAST, or they would lose within seconds against the other. That's my estimation.


That's it, he still didn't ko him throwing him through a window.

We don't know that, it was never established what they fully could do either raged or calm. Even characters weaker than Sasquatch or Hulk have still "hung" with the two brutes even though they were significantly stronger than their opponent. Thing vs. Champion is one example, where he was outclassed yet still continued to push the fight