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(Although some people will criticise me, her Instakill power, due to lack of knowledge about it, is not available for her.)

And hour's rest between each battle:

1) Obi-wan, Quinlan Vos and Anakin (ROTS versions of them)

2) General Grievous

3) Darth Maul

4) Mace Windu

5) Count Dooku

6) Yoda and Darth Sidious

I don't think she can take Yoda AND Sidious at the same time, so I think that's where she stops. Otherwise, she should have little difficulty tossing everyone else around like rag dolls.

I think Sids and Yoda would take her and since she is a dark side user, I think she'd have a litle trouble with Mace. Good thread by the way.

she loses at 6

Originally posted by Dush-khan Mabeo
I think Sids and Yoda would take her and since she is a dark side user, I think she'd have a litle trouble with Mace. Good thread by the way.

Well technically she is neither. She is not a Sith nor is she a Jedi.

It can be argued that she wasn't truly good or evil, but she -did- embrace the Dark Side and took the sith title at the endgame of KOTOR II, effectively making a choice for evil.

She took it because no other would take it. Atris was in Kreia's eyes, Darth Traya. But when the Exile beat Atris, she said herself that she had to take the title, because there always be a Darth Traya.

Plus in the cut content, Atris become Darth Traya if you are a female. Kreia only takes the title if she needs to.

A bit like Revan's choice to become the Dark Lord.

So in the cut content, what happens to Kreia if Atris becomes the Dark lady?

I don't know, get a claustomy bag perhaps?

But anyway, the cut content makes it clear who is the Dark Lord of the Sith. Traya or Atris are. Atris was the Dark Lady for a few minutes.

1) She takes the trio with her immense Force powers. Personally, I'd rank her below Obi-Wan and Anakin in saber ability, but she is superior to all three in Force powers, by far. Traya wins.

2) Though General Grievous is stronger and faster, he - again - can't use the Force and expect to survive someone as powerful as Traya. Traya wins.

3) A Grievous moment. Maul is quicker, stronger, and the better duelist, but would be annihilated through the Force. Traya wins.

4) Mace Windu is like Maul and Grievous before him. He is superior to her, by far, in saber ability, but we've seen nothing that can allow him to defend himself from Traya's Force powers. Traya wins, though this fight would be harder than the others.

5) Count Dooku is with Mace Windu. He also has the advantage of some pretty potent Force powers himself, but is outclassed and dies when Traya uses the Force. He would be a hard opponent.

6) Traya here takes on the two most powerful Force users of their era. She eclipses both of them in ability in the Force, but she is inferior in saber ability - and I doubt she can survive the onslaught that both of them present. Even if she kills one, the other would quickly take her out. Traya loses.

I'd really really like to see evidence that points to Kreia's lightsaber abilities, especially the part where she sucks worse than Obi-Wan, despite knowing extensive information on all the forms and being an ancient jedi master turned Sith.

That'd probably be the in-game experience clouding my vision. I was well prepared and defeated Kreia with ease. I was Dark Side. Perhaps that is what caused me to believe it...

Originally posted by Darth Traya
(Although some people will criticise me, her Instakill power, due to lack of knowledge about it, is not available for her.)

And hour's rest between each battle:

1) Obi-wan, Quinlan Vos and Anakin (ROTS versions of them)

2) General Grievous

3) Darth Maul

4) Mace Windu

5) Count Dooku

6) Yoda and Darth Sidious
I say Yoda and Sidious. But I'm not really sure whyhe battles Obi, Ani and Quinlin, the second strongest team, first.

Originally posted by Escape81
That'd probably be the in-game experience clouding my vision. I was well prepared and defeated Kreia with ease. I was Dark Side. Perhaps that is what caused me to believe it...

If you don't level her up she's easier. It's based on her current level with some Sith Master levels added.

First time I played through I was a Guardian/Weapons Master and I did okay. Second time through I was a Sith Lord and I beat the shit out of her with Force powers and mad modifiers to Wisdom and Charisma.

Did you dod the same thing as me the first time? Force Crush, Force Crush, Force Crush... she couldn't act at all. Then when she activated the sabers I made one saber fight against her and fryed the other ones and Traya with Storm. It was beautiful.

Easiest thing to do is to Force Push, Force Crush, Force Push, Force Crush, Force Drain...

Of course if your lightside you get cross-****ed with no aggressive abilities besides Force push.

Originally posted by Ianus
I'd really really like to see evidence that points to Kreia's lightsaber abilities, especially the part where she sucks worse than Obi-Wan, despite knowing extensive information on all the forms and being an ancient jedi master turned Sith.

She's a woman, so she will have less natural strength. She uses her off-hand.

When was it shown that she knew all the lightsaber forms?

She's a woman, so she will have less natural strength.

This has little to do with lightsaber fighting, Glentract. Palpatine was an old man. Yoda was a midget. Both contended rather well in lightsaber combat. True swordfighting is about SPEED.


She uses her off-hand.

Actually, she doesn't. It's her left hand she loses.


When was it shown that she knew all the lightsaber forms?

Not that she knew them all, but she has knowledge OF them. She basically instructs the Exile on the lightsaber forms if you ask, citing their strengths and weakness from a position of obvious familiarity.

Kreia just doesn't strike me as the most martail being around. She seems to have studied more of the force than saber skills.

And about that hand...

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Originally posted by Ianus
She's a woman, so she will have less natural strength.

This has little to do with lightsaber fighting, Glentract. Palpatine was an old man. Yoda was a midget. Both contended rather well in lightsaber combat. True swordfighting is about SPEED.


She uses her off-hand.

Actually, she doesn't. It's her left hand she loses.


When was it shown that she knew all the lightsaber forms?

Not that she knew them all, but she has knowledge OF them. She basically instructs the Exile on the lightsaber forms if you ask, citing their strengths and weakness from a position of obvious familiarity.

I didn't think about that, but you are right, now that I think more about it. Still, she lost the hand that she planned to use against Sion. She may have very well been left-handed, since she seemed to perfer that hand.

SHe can say a little about them, but doesn't necessarily know much about them. Look at Coleman, her used a form that knows a little about all of the styles, but wasn't very good.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
I didn't think about that, but you are right, now that I think more about it. Still, she lost the hand that she planned to use against Sion. She may have very well been left-handed, since she seemed to perfer that hand.

SHe can say a little about them, but doesn't necessarily know much about them. Look at Coleman, her used a form that knows a little about all of the styles, but wasn't very good.

No, she wasn't left handed. Her default hand for equipping when she has two hands is her right, and when she holds the sword to fight Sion she is holding it in a distinctively right-handed fashion (With her left hand at the bottom).

And considering that KOTOR Jedi masters knew and taught multiple styles (As evidenced by Vrook and the others) it would be amazing if she didn't have some experience with them all, even if second hand.

And Coleman's style was a watered down version meant for people who never were expected to do serious fighting. Hence the nickname, "Diplomat's Style".