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Ok folks this looks pretty straight up to me, tell me what you think

Joker makes Red Skull his clown *****.

Joker

Depends. If its a prep fight I would say joker. In a regular one on one, isn't the skull in peak human condition like cap?

What the hell are you guys talking about? The joker loses! The Joker can't fight.

I have to go with Red Skull too because of he can scrap like cap

Joker is tricky though, and fights dirty. Red Skull may be stronger, but even HE can't figure out what Joker's next move is....joker all the way.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What the hell are you guys talking about? The joker loses! The Joker can't fight.

Lemme guess... you just assume he can't, right? Do you actually have proof that Joker can't fight?

Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
Joker is tricky

That's like saying Flash is fast.

yeah I'll give ya that one lol. ) and by the way....dr doom is smart

i just finished reading the first encounter between batman and the joker (the man who laughs), and batman mentions a few times how unbelievably fast the joker is, and the joker escapes batmans grip a few times and gets some decent hits in. hes in no way batmans physical equal but hes still no average joe.

id probably go with the joker, the red skull is too arrogant and would assume he has the fight won, hed never be able to out plan joker and i think hed just get more and more frustrated until he made a big mistake.

prep: joker 8/10
no prep: joker 6/10 (he has alot of tricks as his standard equipment)

Red Skull 7/10

Red Skull has all of Cap's physical status and nearly as many skills to match

wow it's gone about half & half.....

Originally posted by Decay
i just finished reading the first encounter between batman and the joker (the man who laughs), and batman mentions a few times how unbelievably fast the joker is, and the joker escapes batmans grip a few times and gets some decent hits in. hes in no way batmans physical equal but hes still no average joe.

Ok that might bethe case but hes not a peak human martial arts expert.
Originally posted by Decay

id probably go with the joker, the red skull is too arrogant and would assume he has the fight won, hed never be able to out plan joker and i think hed just get more and more frustrated until he made a big mistake.

Why the hell would he do that? The Red Skull is one of Marvel's bigtime prep villains.

Originally posted by Decay

prep: joker 8/10
no prep: joker 6/10 (he has alot of tricks as his standard equipment)

Nobody gets any prep and nobody gets equipment its a standard H2H fight....well thats what I thought.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok that might bethe case but hes not a peak human martial arts expert.

But he has matched or bested that or better using his skills, his genius and his trickyness

Originally posted by Alfheim
The Red Skull is one of Marvel's bigtime prep villains.

Yeah, the Skull is pretty damn good, but so is the Joker. Prep-wise, I'd give a very slight edge to J, simply because I think he's much harder to prep-against