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IF is IMO a more skilled combatant, but BP has the tech and gagets.

BP wins the majority.

Originally posted by guy222
iron fist

Guy is right for a change.

Originally posted by Soljer
Guy is right for a change.

thank u

If it's just a martial arts contest - Iron Fist.

If it's a battle, and BP can use his gadgets, agility and tactics, he'll find a way to win. The longer the battle continues, the more the odds will turn in his favour - he's proven he can be very adaptable in battles.

IMO.

straight up fight? probably iron fist

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
straight up fight? probably iron fist

Probably my ass.

Black Panther > Daredevil > Iron Fist

Nuff' Said.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Black Panther > Daredevil > Iron Fist

Nuff' Said.

You got that directly backwards.....

Er...

Not only do you think that Iron Fist is supperior to DD, but you think that DD is supperior to BP also?

... wow

iron fist is almost as fast as bp and can augment his body using chi.....

iron fist shoves his hand through bp's stomach!!

Originally posted by Soljer
Probably my ass.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Er...

Not only do you think that Iron Fist is supperior to DD, but you think that DD is supperior to BP also?

... wow


h2h?

actually thats not to far off

DD is superior to IF, who in turn, is very debateably superior to bp

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
h2h?

actually thats not to far off

DD is superior to IF, who in turn, is very debateably superior to bp

... so you think DD > IF > BP?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
... so you think DD > IF > BP?

defiantely DD in front,

but between BP and IF, either of them could be 2nd

double post, double the tightness

Originally posted by Soljer
Probably my ass.

Now, Soljer, your ass IS pretty talented... but I can't picture it beating down Ironfist and BP...

Sorry.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
defiantely DD in front,

but between BP and IF, either of them could be 2nd

... sounds dirty. hmm

Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.



Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.

In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.


http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpg

Here is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.

He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.

On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg

Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpg

The next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.


http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img55&image=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpg

So before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).

Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg

I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.

I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.


http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpg

Finally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg


Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=Panther



So, how does danny stomp panther again

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Now, Soljer, your ass IS pretty talented... but I can't picture it beating down Ironfist and BP...

Sorry.



... sounds dirty. hmm



Well... awh never mind, its too easiy.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Now, Soljer, your ass IS pretty talented... but I can't picture it beating down Ironfist and BP...

Sorry.



... sounds dirty. hmm


HAHAHAHAHA

wow
i didnt even catch that

or was that my intention all along?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin


Well... awh never mind, its too easiy.

If you're talking about the 'picture Soljer's ass' thing...

droolio

...

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.



Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.

In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.


http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpg

Here is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.

He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.

On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg

Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpg

The next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.


http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img55&image=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpg

So before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).

Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg

I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.

I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.


http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpg

Finally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg


Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=Panther



So, how does danny stomp panther again

Ha ha ha, thanks! I have scans from that issue, but I've never seen the whole comic, so I didn't know whether it would be a good example to use

It substantiates my argument, though: In an exhibition match, with points for style and fancy moves and stuff like that, IF would win.

When it comes to a real battle - I mean, BP has the physique of Captain America, the street and battle smarts of Batman and the technology of Iron Man. Plus he is a king of his own country, like Namor, with all the resources that entail...

It just always seems to me that BP should get at leat as much respect in the Marvel Universe as Batman gets in the DC (or any other) universe, and it's always been a bit sad to me that he doesn't.

Fortunately there are still a few people willing to be his champion!

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
If you're talking about the 'picture Soljer's ass' thing...

droolio

...












You know you're thinking about it.

My skilled, powerful glutes raining hell down upon T'Challa and Danny.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.



Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.

In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.


http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpg

Here is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.

He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.

On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg

Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpg

The next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.


http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img55&image=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpg

So before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).

Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg

I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.

I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.


http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpg

Finally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg


Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=Panther



So, how does danny stomp panther again

Nicely put. I give Danny his props but Panther takes this one

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Here, I will post the entire fight, because the uniformed logic on this forum is killing me.



Both Panther and Iron fist are being mind controlled to kill one-another, although Panther is struggling to fight it, and eventually breaks it, (thanks to the panther god). Iron fist however is trying to kill him, no if ands or buts, he wants to kill panther. Not fighting the mind controlling at all.

In these first two scans, Panther evades a salvo of Iron fist attacks with ease, WITH FREAKING EASE, WHILE UNDERWATER
Remember, Iron fist every attack is his amped up Super Strong/Fast "Iron Fist" attack. And panther could probably drink tea he is so much faster then it.


http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist.jpg
http://img67.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist2.jpg

Here is where the fight should end, but remember, panther is fighting the mind controlling.

He could, have easily, slit his neck with his claws, KO'ed him with energy daggers, snapped his neck, cut off his head, etc etc, but, T'challa, fighting the mind controlling, does, not, instead, he opts to distance himself. Remember, he gets close, while Iron fist is attacking, underwater, and grapples him with his legs.

On this forum, going by the rules, the fight end here, 10/10 in favor of panther, but we will continue.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist3.jpg

Here, Iron fist trys to hit him with a car, panther evades and rolls through a bus, where Iron fist, (Very nice speed feat for IF) is waiting on the other side.

http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist4.jpg
http://img54.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist5.jpg

The next scans shows panther landing some more hits, no PIS/CIS going by forum rules, and those palm strikes become claw swipes, IF DEAD again, hell he even manages to put a trash can over IF, but for some reason people doubt BP speed and agility, why people believe he is not one of, if not thee fastest streetlever around is beyond me. Also panther discovers the chip, and realizes IF must have one also, why else would his good friend be fighting him.


http://img55.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img55&image=vsfist6.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist7.jpg

So before IF can get out of the dumpster, he disappears, again, and sneaks Danny attempting the hit the radio, he misses, but danny does however search where the chip is, (but it does not come off).

Also, once again going by forum rules, IF is dead right here, why not sneak on danny with a claw swipe, or an energy dagger set to kill.

http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist8.jpg

I believe this is why so many people think IF>T'challa, here IF does get some hits in and Shred's Panthers suit, It should be noted however, IF is still trying to kill Panther, Panther has already fought and got the chip off of him, he no longer is out to fight IF any longer. But these scans are what people go by.

I'm starting to think a few people just don't wanna give panther his props.


http://img66.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist9.jpg
http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist10.jpg

Finally even after all that punishment panther took, look who falls first, (be if from the strikes panther gave him, exhaustion from the "Iron fist" attack, or the chip or a combination of all three who knows) All I know is when panther took the chip off himself, he didn't pass out.

http://img53.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsfist11.jpg


Faster=Panther
Agile=Panther
Stronger=Iron Fist (via chi, out side of that, Panther)
Smarter=Panther (this includes battle and science smarts)
Durability=Panther
Stamina=Panther He fought killmonger for 13 hours straight, plus if Iron fist uses his attack, he will go down even quicker. Plus panther can evade it with eaaaassee (Proven)
Skill=Panther



So, how does danny stomp panther again

No no no no. That is just one fight. Even if BP wins this one that doesnt mean he will win again, you need more scans than that. I think its hard to say really.

Panther more agile? thats debateable
Smarter? Absolutely
Faster? Debateable
Stamina? It could go either way but ide be inclined to say panther, largely in part to his armour
and Skill?
Well, Strictly H2h? Its really a tossup between the two
but since panther covers a more broad spectrum of talents, yes, panther is more skilled

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Panther more agile? thats debateable
Smarter? Absolutely
Faster? Debateable
Stamina? It could go either way but ide be inclined to say panther, largely in part to his armour

I think I would agree with all that.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555

and Skill?

Well, Strictly H2h? Its really a tossup between the two
but since panther covers a more broad spectrum of talents, yes, panther is more skilled

Well panther is more skilled in strategy and tech, in terms of pure h2H it could go either way. As we know IF has his Chi power to give him an edge so he is not just using pure h2h, but then again BP has his gadgets and strategy so BP has more advantages.....so im giving it to BP 6/10

Originally posted by Alfheim
I think I would agree with all that.



Well panther is more skilled in strategy and tech, in terms of pure h2H it could go either way. As we know IF has his Chi power to give him an edge so he is not just using pure h2h, but then again BP has his gadgets and strategy so BP has more advantages.....so im giving it to BP 6/10

I agree, IF is very skilled but between Bp's armour and gadgets, im starting to see thsi in favor of panther, but not without an incredible fight, although im not ENTIRELy convinced it would seem that it is infact a slight win for panther

Originally posted by Alfheim
No no no no. That is just one fight. Even if BP wins this one that doesnt mean he will win again, you need more scans than that. I think its hard to say really.


BP is evading Iron Fist best attack with ease, what else does Iron fist have to take Panther down if he cant even hit him with the Iron fist underwater. He can barely even keep track of panther, let alone hit him.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Panther more agile? thats debateable
Smarter? Absolutely
Faster? Debateable
Stamina? It could go either way but ide be inclined to say panther, largely in part to his armour
and Skill?
Well, Strictly H2h? Its really a tossup between the two
but since panther covers a more broad spectrum of talents, yes, panther is more skilled

No, no its not, Panther fights on all fours, are you serious, the guy grapples Iron fist with his legs, while Iron fist is attacking. And as for speed, if panther is fast enough to evade The Iron fist, grapple him with his legs, throw a trash can on him, lets be serious for a minute.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I

Well panther is more skilled in strategy and tech, in terms of pure h2H it could go either way. As we know IF has his Chi power to give him an edge so he is not just using pure h2h, but then again BP has his gadgets and strategy so BP has more advantages.....so im giving it to BP 6/10


What are you talking about, the only tech panther used, was his daggers, and he was trying to stun him, HE was dodging the IRON FIST with pure skill, and landing in his own hits, stop trying to downplay the fight.

BP>>>>IF in H2H

sorry.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
BP is evading Iron Fist best attack with ease, what else does Iron fist have to take Panther down if he cant even hit him with the Iron fist underwater. He can barely even keep track of panther, let alone hit him.


This is what im saying this is one fight this does not count as evidence. You always tend to get scans where some fights badly then in another they fight really well.


Originally posted by Apolloknight

What are you talking about, the only tech panther used, was his daggers, and he was trying to stun him, HE was dodging the IRON FIST with pure skill, and landing in his own hits, stop trying to downplay the fight.




Geeeezz calm down. Im not saying BP didnt kick his ass im just saying that BP has a vibranuim suit and his daggers if he wants to use them, and like I said that is just one fight.

Originally posted by Alfheim
This is what im saying this is one fight this does not count as evidence. You always tend to get scans where some fights badly then in another they fight really well.





Geeeezz calm down. Im not saying BP didnt kick his ass im just saying that BP has a vibranuim suit and his daggers if he wants to use them, and like I said that is just one fight.


Which proves BP>IF.

sooo, what are you trying to argue?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Which proves BP>IF.

sooo, what are you trying to argue?

Good point...all im saying is that in terms of scans you have only got one fight, that is not enough evidence.

In terms of being objective and thinking about their skills in general BP wins 6/10.

BP takes this, though IF takes him for at least 3/10 imo.

Originally posted by leonidas
BP takes this, though IF takes him for at least 3/10 imo.

4/10 for me.

Originally posted by Apolloknight



No, no its not, Panther fights on all fours, are you serious, the guy grapples Iron fist with his legs, while Iron fist is attacking. And as for speed, if panther is fast enough to evade The Iron fist, grapple him with his legs, throw a trash can on him, lets be serious for a minute.





BP>>>>IF in H2H

sorry.


Panther fights on all fours? Ok? im not sure what that means but i know what it doesnt mean.

Anyways, that point aside, yes i saw the scans, but you know as good as i do that if we went by everyones "low" showings, we'de have alot of obscure descisions in fights. What about the last scan when IF punched Black panther like 52 times? But really, its not even about that.

For someone who can keep up with spiderman When amped with chi to not be able to tag BP is a bit odd, but nevertheless, it happend and im not denying it. On the other hand, Iron fist has been shown to keep up in h2h with People better than BP (Daredevil, to name one).
Not to spin this topic off into a seperate debate, but my point is that the fight between BP and IF wasnt iron fist's only fight, and in many fights, hes been able to keep up with people like BP, so honestly, why shuoldent he be able to?

Again, im not saying IF wins (but im not completely convinced otherwise yet), but BP is in no way shape or form leauges beyond Iron fist in h2h as their has NEVER been a reason (especially considering black panthers abilites) to think so

Originally posted by Alfheim
Good point...all im saying is that in terms of scans you have only got one fight, that is not enough evidence.

In terms of being objective and thinking about their skills in general BP wins 6/10.

So what grants IF his four wins, if a blood-lusted IF couldn't even hit BP with his best attack while panther was trying to figure out why they where fighting, and wasn't really fighting all out, let alone not even using all his tech at his disposal?


And its funny how you should say this one fight is not enough evidence, I remember a few months back, I argued to the death along side you that Cap can take a few wins over spidy, with just one civil war showing.

funny how the tables turn depending the character!!!!

Originally posted by Apolloknight
So what grants IF his four wins, if a blood-lusted IF couldn't even hit BP with his best attack while panther was trying to figure out why they where fighting, and wasn't really fighting all out, let alone not even using all his tech at his disposal?

his chi power and the fact that he can ehance his abilities, also in general he seems to have similar feats to BP, like being able to fight Spiderman h2h.

Originally posted by Apolloknight

And its funny how you should say this one fight is not enough evidence, I remember a few months back, I argued to the death along side you that Cap can take a few wins over spidy, with just one civil war showing.

funny how the tables turn depending the character!!!!

C'mon man dont get personal, ive already had one bust up today. There were other scans posted your blowings things out of proportion. Plus ive been reading cap for a hundred years.

So I wasn't just going by one scan.

Originally posted by Alfheim
his chi power and the fact that he can ehance his abilities, also in general he seems to have similar feats to BP, like being able to fight Spiderman h2h.



exactly what im saying, someone with similiar abilities suddenly gets stomped by BP? realisticly it doesnt make sense, honestly

Originally posted by Alfheim
his chi power and the fact that he can ehance his abilities, also in general he seems to have similar feats to BP, like being able to fight Spiderman h2h.





Did you see the fight I posted, he was ampped bloodlusted trying to kill panther with every attack, panther evades with ease, I fail to see your point in that, oh and panther has bested spidy in h2H before, but that another fight.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
exactly what im saying, someone with similiar abilities suddenly gets stomped by BP? realisticly it doesnt make sense, honestly

read above..

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
exactly what im saying, someone with similiar abilities suddenly gets stomped by BP? realisticly it doesnt make sense, honestly

Exactly, but the thing is BP has more stuff on him that he can use to beat IF, therefor BP wins the majority but not a massive one.

Stop following me around! j/k

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Did you see the fight I posted, he was ampped bloodlusted trying to kill panther with every attack, panther evades with ease, I fail to see your point in that, oh and panther has bested spidy in h2H before, but that another fight.



read above..


So were going to pretend the last scan didnt happen?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Did you see the fight I posted, he was ampped bloodlusted trying to kill panther with every attack, panther evades with ease, I fail to see your point in that, oh and panther has bested spidy in h2H before, but that another fight.



read above..

It doesnt matter its just one fight. the reason why I brught up the Spiderman examples is because all good MAs can hold their own against Spiderman even if they cant beat him they can give him a good fight.

If you just look at IF feats in general they are very similar BP should not be curbstomping IF.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
So were going to pretend the last scan didnt happen?

You see, this is the faulty logic I speak of when it comes to panther,


DID YOU NOT SEE WHERE PANTHER GETS THE CHIP OFF HIM, and now he is no longer out to fight IF, but rather attempt to get the Chip off him.

Panther was no longer fighting all out (if he ever really was), how can you not comprehend that? its not that difficult to understand!!!???

He sneaks him in an attempt to get the chip off, Misses, and IF makes him pay!!!??



But yes, lets use those scans for the entire fight, overlooking the rest of the fight, wow, just wow my friend.

Black Panther wins 7/10. Iron Fist puts up a GREAT fight though. By NO means is it a curbstomp.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
You see, this is the faulty logic I speak of when it comes to panther,


DID YOU NOT SEE WHERE PANTHER GETS THE CHIP OFF HIM, and now he is no longer out to fight IF, but rather attempt to get the Chip off him.

Panther was no longer fighting all out (if he ever really was), how can you not comprehend that? its not that difficult to understand!!!???

He sneaks him in an attempt to get the chip off, Misses, and IF makes him pay!!!??



But yes, lets use those scans for the entire fight, overlooking the rest of the fight, wow, just wow my friend.

What part of you cant use one fight as overwhelming evidnce dont you understand?

You have fights were DD kicks the **** out of the Punisher than you get a fight where The Punisher does well, thats why you need at least two fights to come to a conclusion.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
You see, this is the faulty logic I speak of when it comes to panther,


DID YOU NOT SEE WHERE PANTHER GETS THE CHIP OFF HIM, and now he is no longer out to fight IF, but rather attempt to get the Chip off him.

Panther was no longer fighting all out (if he ever really was), how can you not comprehend that? its not that difficult to understand!!!???

He sneaks him in an attempt to get the chip off, Misses, and IF makes him pay!!!??



But yes, lets these scans for the entire fight, overlooking the rest of the fight, wow, just wow my friend.

Ok, first off take it down like 10 notches, keep in mind this is merely a debate. if you noticed, i acknolwedged the ENTIRE fight, Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
For someone who can keep up with spiderman When amped with chi to not be able to tag BP is a bit odd, but nevertheless, it happend and im not denying it.

on more than one occassian.


anyway, understand, you seem to be implying that IF is incapable of strikeing BP, in to which i say that other fights IF has been in contradict his implied inability to strike BP. Its as simple as that. To add, ive never known anyone who willingly wants to get struck in the face 82 times, so IF black panther is so agile, aside from being defensive (as he was not trying to hurt IF anymore) wouldent he think to atleast dodge? IF hit black panther, and short of BP being intoxicated beyond belief or somehow immobilized, regardless of BP's intentions, the fact remains that IF jabbed his face into oblivion

But more importantly, again, i cannot stress enough how consistantly IF has hung with people argueably better than black panther. So what in the world would make him not able to hit BP? Plan and simple, it doesnt make sense. Its just as rediculous as spiderman being unable to hit black panther.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555


But more importantly, again, i cannot stress enough how consistantly IF has hung with people argueably better than black panther. So what in the world would make him not able to hit BP? Plan and simple, it doesnt make sense. Its just as rediculous as spiderman being unable to hit black panther.

exactly

Originally posted by Alfheim
What part of you cant use one fight as overwhelming evidnce dont you understand?

You have fights were DD kicks the **** out of the Punisher than you get a fight where The Punisher does well, thats why you need at least two fights to come to a conclusion.

Since when did that become a rule?

Using that logic, Spider-Man can defeat non-bloodlusted (but still fighting hard) Fantastic Four.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Since when did that become a rule?

Using that logic, Spider-Man can defeat non-bloodlusted (but still fighting hard) Fantastic Four.

Whoa so what your telling me is that if you ahve one fight that can be used as overwhelming evidence? Thats my point.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
But more importantly, again, i cannot stress enough how consistantly IF has hung with people argueably better than black panther. So what in the world would make him not able to hit BP? Plan and simple, it doesnt make sense. Its just as rediculous as spiderman being unable to hit black panther.

If only that were true, my friend. But apparently that just can't work. Right.

Otherwise Spider-Man vs. Cap would be a curbstomp in Peter's favor, Black Panther would take out Wolverine (Iron Man > Wolverine), etc.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Whoa so what your telling me is that if you ahve one fight that can be used as overwhelming evidence? Thats my point.

No, you missed the point. Spidey has done that TWICE against the FF.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If only that were true, my friend. But apparently that just can't work. Right.

Otherwise Spider-Man vs. Cap would be a curbstomp in Peter's favor, Black Panther would take out Wolverine (Iron Man > Wolverine), etc.

I understand your point ( i think? ) but speciffically, speaking of IF, he has been shown a bit more consistant that some of the cahracters you mentioned. (as opposed to Wolverine who has had very very high end showings and some quesitonably low end ones) ANd in THIS scenario, relative to iron fist, i firmly stand by my statement


and im talking about characters IF has fought that are compareable to BP

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No, you missed the point. Spidey has done that TWICE against the FF.

Well yeah Bro, you misunderstood me im just using logic. I should have elaborated. All im saying is that two is better than one, just because you have two does not mean you win the argument striaight away, but one is definetly not enough for serious evidence.

Originally posted by Alfheim
, but one is definetly not enough for serious evidence.


Well, I guess this fight cant be used for evidence, going by that logic.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well yeah Bro, you misunderstood me im just using logic. I should have elaborated. All im saying is that two is better than one, just because you have two does not mean you win the argument striaight away, but one is definetly not enough for serious evidence.

doh

Originally posted by Metalmanx
doh

Ok now im getting stressed...whats the problem?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok now im getting stressed...whats the problem?

Oh, nothing.

Loooooove yoooou.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555


Originally posted by Alfheim


Originally posted by Metalmanx

inlove

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Oh, nothing.

Loooooove yoooou.


no no no no....please elaborate because i dont think ive got anything wrong. dont get high and mighty just explain what your trying to say again.....please

Honestly, I just think your logic is flawed is all.

I feel that if one fight is done well enough, then one is good enough for evidence.

I felt that the BP/IF fight was VERY well done. So, in my opinion, BP was superior in that fight.

That's all.

Ultimately, i think we all agree that IF loses, but not without an extrodinary fight, am i right?

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Ultimately, i think we all agree that IF loses, but not without an extrodinary fight, am i right?

Agreed.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Honestly, I just think your logic is flawed is all.

I feel that if one fight is done well enough, then one is good enough for evidence.

I felt that the BP/IF fight was VERY well done. So, in my opinion, BP was superior in that fight.

That's all.

So what part of that didnt i understand? I just disagreed with you thats all.

Does it make sense to you that one piece of evidence is enough for characters that have been around for decades?

Dont you think it would be better to come with more scans?

Originally posted by Alfheim
So what part of that didnt i understand? I just disagreed with you thats all.

Does it make sense to you that one piece of evidence is enough for characters that have been around for decades?

Dont you think it would be better to come with more scans?

OF COURSE it would be better. It's ALWAYS better with more evidence.

My point was that if there is only one piece of evidence and it is written well on both sides, then I have no problem with it being used as evidence.

So, in essence, I'm both agreeing and disagreeing(?) with you.

Originally posted by Alfheim
So what part of that didnt i understand? I just disagreed with you thats all.

Does it make sense to you that one piece of evidence is enough for characters that have been around for decades?

Dont you think it would be better to come with more scans?

i agre with you, and i was about to add something but what i was going to add was what metalmanx said

if its well written (relative to the charcterS) then i can accept it as great evidence

so now im following metalmanx lol

Originally posted by Metalmanx
OF COURSE it would be better. It's ALWAYS better with more evidence.

My point was that if there is only one piece of evidence and it is written well on both sides, then I have no problem with it being used as evidence.

So, in essence, I'm both agreeing and disagreeing(?) with you.

Ok fair enough but slapping you forehead was going over board.

does anyone think that IF actually fights BETTER blood-lusted and mind-controlled . . .?

he's a smart fighter as well as a tough fighter. that mind-controlled battle was NOT a good gauge, imo. for what EITHER could really do. based on the books i've read of both, danny could win 3-4/10 and EACH fight would be very tough.

Originally posted by leonidas
does anyone think that IF actually fights BETTER blood-lusted and mind-controlled . . .?

.

thankyou for mentioning that
i forgot to earlier
good point

I'd put Danny above T'Challa as far as speed and skill are concerned. Sure, IF was bloodlusted in their last fight, but he was also being mind-controlled.

It wouldn't be like Danny to just lose himself there, so while it was a good fight, I wouldn't say he was at the peak of his skills there.