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Did Obi Wan fail as Anakins' Master or not..

yes, although obi-wan is awesome, anakins failure was his own, he thought he could train anakin as well as qui-gon or yoda taught him, but then again, it was ANAKINS choice to turn to the dark side

very debatable. One thing is for certain, if Qui Gonn had not died and had sought to train Anakin instead of Obi Wan, then it is not as likely that Anakin would have fallen to the dark side.

Qui Gonn has all the qualities of an excellent mento or tutor. He would teach in a patient manner. He would offer gentle criticism when needed and praise when warrented to his student.

QGJ did kinda ask OB1 at death an unfair pledge.

It was Obi-Wan, it was Mace, it was Yoda, it was the Jedi in general, it was Padme. They all contributed in some way to Anakin's fall.

But that fall would likely not have happened had he not been fed a bunch of lies and half-truths from Palpatine. It was HIS fault.

Obi-Wan, because he was Anakin's master and teacher, felt it was HIS fault because that long-time student had failed as a Jedi.

it's all Padme's fault. If Padme didn't marry Anakin, he wouldn't fall to the dark side. Because remember what Yoda said, "Attachment leads to jealousy. Jealousy leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

Originally posted by MC_GG
it's all Padme's fault. If Padme didn't marry Anakin, he wouldn't fall to the dark side. Because remember what Yoda said, "Attachment leads to jealousy. Jealousy leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." Try... "If Anakin didn't marry Padme."

padmes a man-woman

It was his attachment to Padme that turned Anakin to the darkside. He grew so attached that he would do anything to hold on to her, and Palpatine was able to exploit this.

wait,if the emperor told him padme was dead then why didnt he kill him and go back 2 the light?

i dunno, i picked "Yes", it was Obi Wan's fault.

Anakin was completely Obi Wan's responsibility.

Kenobi felt responsible for what happened to Anakin because he was the boy's mentor and close friend and should have been able to predict and prevent it.

Originally posted by speiderman
Qui Gonn has all the qualities of an excellent mento



I'm sorry, this just made me laugh.

exelent mento lol

It was Anakin's fault, he did the choosing.

Obi Wan was too inexperienced at the time to train a kid who exceeded the age limit. He's a stupid. :'-(

Originally posted by queeq
It was Anakin's fault, he did the choosing.

The Force chose Anakin.

The Force is not a sentient creature. Anakin had a choice to go either way... he chose poorly.

Thats a non-cannon interpretation.

I agree that the force is not a creature, but it is sentient.

How can the force have a will if it is not sentient?

What is it then? Does it have intelligence?

It's an...... essence of God.

It IS God.

ONE God.

The force can shift from light to dark. The is only THE force.

Obviously it can be used for good or bad. And it seems to grant other powers, or maybe I should say the usage of the Force changes.

Obi-Wan was responsible for Anakin in the Jedi's point of view. Although in the prequels I saw little of hubris I thought I might see when in ROTJ Obi told Luke "I thought I could train him just as well as Yoda, I was wrong." It was more of a deathbed promise than hubris.

Originally posted by queeq
Obviously it can be used for good or bad. And it seems to grant other powers, or maybe I should say the usage of the Force changes.

The force itself shifts. So says the films.

in a way, Obi-Wan failed Anakin. he didn't see... even only a bit.. the path Anakin is taking.. but then... he's only human...

But in a way too, Anakin failed himself. he chose poorly, and that ain't the teacher's fault.

I blame the Force.


Had it chosen Anakin(a) to be girl instead, all would be fine.

No balls, no sex, no pergnancy, no problem.

But what if "she" met up with a guy and got pregnant, that would be a little harder to hide...

LIke OB1 as a father?

Like Darman and Etain.

No, you guys are seeming to get lightside and darkside mixed up. Allow me to clear this up. The Force doesn't have a darkside and a lightside. First off lets just explain the force in a way like this; The force is like a pool. Most pools have a shallow end and a deep end right? Will, the sith like to use emoution and pure force power. But sinse the old Jedi where not allowed to use the force to cause harm, and this deep end of the poo of pure force can be used more for harm maybe. So the Jedi claimed that part of the force to be "dark" and evil and such. The deep end is more force then anything it uses more of the force and such. The Jedis are on the shallow end of the force pool. So I will end it there, sinse if I explain it in detil it would be very long to explain.

Originally posted by Pepsi_Blue_Fan
The Force doesn't have a darkside and a lightside.

"Anakin was seduced by the Dark Side of the Force."

Thats what Jedis claim that deep side of the force to be. Thats just a title they used. Its not bad or anything, its just the users claim to say if its bad or not. When in fact its just that, The Force. XD

So everything in SW said about the Force, and everything the Jedi knew about the Force after a thousand years is all BS and you know it better?

Of course he does. Afterall, Star Wars is Art, and noone owns Art. We can all do with it what we like.

Oh, wait. Hell hasn't frozen over yet. Sorry, my bad.

Lucas owns the SW art, all three billion of it. And we gave it to him.

I think the real question is "Was Anakin's fall to the dark side a failure?"

Anakin's destiny was to "bring balance to the force." When he fell to the dark side of the Force, it was thought that he wasn't fulfilling his destiny. However, as we all know, in RotJ he was the one to kill the Emperor. Would he have been able to do that as Anakin Skywalker? I don't think so. The only way Darth Sidious was going to be destroyed was by a betrayal from his right-hand man Darth Vader.

After 23 years of evil deeds, Anakin finally did the right thing. But he wouldn't have been able to do the right thing if it hadn't been for those evil deeds.

This would sound a lot better if I didn't already know that the EU brought the Sith back within 6 years of this. F*ck.

Originally posted by Marxman
I think the real question is "Was Anakin's fall to the dark side a failure?"

Anakin's destiny was to "bring balance to the force." When he fell to the dark side of the Force, it was thought that he wasn't fulfilling his destiny. However, as we all know, in RotJ he was the one to kill the Emperor. Would he have been able to do that as Anakin Skywalker? I don't think so. The only way Darth Sidious was going to be destroyed was by a betrayal from his right-hand man Darth Vader.

Here is the issue:

Which side of the force was more powerful at the Clone Wars.

I see it this way. The Light side of the force was far more powerful than the darkside. If we use the strict dichotomy as a model system, we can see that the Jedi are blasting open the galaxy. THe Sith, while manipulating the Jedi, don't really have that much power.

If the force were to truely achieve balance, BOTH sides have to be eliminated. Anakin first destroys the light, then the dark. At the end of the day, all is equal. No light no dark. No Jedi no Sith. And the force is in balance with itself.

Well thats why I used quotes when saying "bring balance..."

The Jedi saw the complete destruction of the Sith as bringing balance to the Force and it was their prophecy.

Yes. A true misconception about their defintion of BALANCE>

Then there was also when Obi Wan's ghost told Luke "I thought I could train him (Anakin). I was wrong.", in ESB,

Are we getting into the Balance argument again?

NO.

mmmmm i just cooked french toast for dinner lol

NO.

no what?

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Then there was also when Obi Wan's ghost told Luke "I thought I could train him (Anakin). I was wrong.", in ESB,

Obviously he blames himself. But he made a vow to QGJ and the entire Cuoncil, Yoda excluded, had faith in him. So it's a collective failure.

No. The force did it. It made Ani "fail."

It was his Mom's fault. If she hadn't died, he'd be OK.

to Alliance: it was his destiny?

Then it was the Tusken's fault, or no, what about that jawa lurking in the doorway in Mos Espa... or... Cliegg.... or that suspicious looking Gonk Droid from ANh, he looked like he knew more about the whole affair when 3PO and R2 ended up in the Jawa transport... or.. or....

Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
to Alliance: it was his destiny?

Yes. It was the will of the force.

Originally posted by Tangible God
It was his Mom's fault. If she hadn't died, he'd be OK.

But then with that I could say "if it weren't for the sandpeople.." and yadda yadda yadda.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But then with that I could say "if it weren't for the sandpeople.." and yadda yadda yadda.
then i could say "if it werent for the dang tuskens momas momas momas momas momas"

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
But then with that I could say "if it weren't for the sandpeople.." and yadda yadda yadda. Then I could say, "Do you really think I was being serious?" And such and such.

And on and on...

SO...

And...

Originally posted by queeq
And on and on...

and on, till the breaka breaka dawn....

finis

Yup.