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Battle takes place on Apokolips!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by masterbruce
Battle takes place on Apokolips!!!!!!!!!

team one

same, beta is pwnage, and thor is just as pwnage

Team 2, CS tips the scales imo

Originally posted by Board Walker
Team 2, CS tips the scales imo

Agreed. It depends where though on a high tech world it's all over. Apokalips is high tech of course.

Originally posted by By Crom!
Agreed. It depends where though on a high tech world it's all over. Apokalips is high tech of course.

That and the collection of promethian, source wall, lantern rings, kyrptonian, apokoloptian tech, he has assimilated over the years.

Hank Henshaw. .

CyborgSuperman is going to be unkillable on Apokolips. Team two wins this for a fair majority.

Except... King Rune Thor!


(I assume the creator meant classic)

Taking Cyborg Supes on an average, team 1 should take majority (Hal Jordan knocking his jaw off with ease kinda makes him look weak)

Henshaw at his best tips the scales the other way in my opinion.

thor has odinforce now

Team 1 after cyborg supes comes back from the 2nd or 3rd time from all the tech on the planet. either Thor or Bill just blows the whole thing up. Only way to really win on this besides dimensional dumbing him.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Team 1 after cyborg supes comes back from the 2nd or 3rd time from all the tech on the planet. either Thor or Bill just blows the whole thing up. Only way to really win on this besides dimensional dumbing him.

Against the full power of Apokolips tech and fighting the entire planet? facepalm

And it's not easy to blow up this planet.

After Thor's performance against Bor I'd definitely say team one.

If its classic Thor then team two has it easy.

Team two ftw

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Against the full power of Apokolips tech and fighting the entire planet? facepalm

And it's not easy to blow up this planet.

Beta ray bill is can do it. current Thor is far ahead of bill. i don' seen a problem with it. unless you can come up with some sort of tech that coutners the Odinpower

CLassic Thor is another story

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Beta ray bill is can do it. current Thor is far ahead of bill. i don' seen a problem with it. unless you can come up with some sort of tech that coutners the Odinpower

CLassic Thor is another story

How about technology feared by the other pantheons of DC? Or tech strong enough to imprison the entire Greek Pantheon?

Thor and Ray need to put down, Hank quick!.

How? Like I said, HOW DO YOU FIGHT A WORLD?

^ with hammerz

facepalm

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
How? Like I said, HOW DO YOU FIGHT A WORLD? godblast

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
How about technology feared by the other pantheons of DC? Or tech strong enough to imprison the entire Greek Pantheon?

How about Thor soul suck cyborg supes soul into his on lifeforce.

To be honest, I have no idea whether that will work. It is however a testament to Cyborg's resistance to matter-manip and being trapped, that only the times he has been, were by skyfather and up characters.

Team 2

Team 1 wins.

Team 2 with ease.

Hank takes over BRB.

doh I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT. dur on me.

Hank can control Bill and use his power against Thor. Hmm, that might violate the Odin enchantment on Stormbreaker, but if not, Thor's even more screwed than he was before.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
doh I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THAT. dur on me.

Hank can control Bill and use his power against Thor. Hmm, that might violate the Odin enchantment on Stormbreaker, but if not, Thor's even more screwed than he was before.

Team 1, too much raw power.

Originally posted by carver9
Team 1, too much raw power. Yep, I have also never seen Henshaw take over a living being before like BrB. If he has ever done it I am not aware of it anywho.

Team 2 wins with ridiculous ease.

I'm pretty sure that neither of the opponents on team 2 dealt with anything CLOSE to what beta ray bill was dishing out against star dust. Half of what beta ray did would KILL anyone on team 2.

I would also like to know how team two is taking this guy down when he survived attacks from both galactus and ego the planet and didnt beta ray bill throw off enough power that it actually DAMAGED galactus hull.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep, I have also never seen Henshaw take over a living being before like BrB. If he has ever done it I am not aware of it anywho.

N00b. Bill is a CYBORG. This thread is spite, it's 3vs1 on a planet with rediculous technology with the best technopath in comics.

Carver: Irrelevant. Bill's basically Beta Ray Henshaw for this thread. And in case you haven't figured it out, YOU CAN'T KILL HENSHAW. Nobody in this thread has the power to do it. Warworld ring any bells?

The fact that they think that they could blow up apokolips is funny enough.

Erads can also assimilate and control tech, has mind rape, T-vo, Full fortress mode, intangibility, and matter and energy manip.

For most intents and purposes, Bill's out of this fight. Thor isn't handling his own team mate, plus 2 other kryptonian + opponents.

Even if they were all to fight like pure bricks, team 2 would stomp.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
N00b. Bill is a CYBORG. This thread is spite, it's 3vs1 on a planet with rediculous technology with the best technopath in comics.

Carver: Irrelevant. Bill's basically Beta Ray Henshaw for this thread. And in case you haven't figured it out, YOU CAN'T KILL HENSHAW. Nobody in this thread has the power to do it. Warworld ring any bells?

Originally posted by Avlon
The fact that they think that they could blow up apokolips is funny enough.

Erads can also assimilate and control tech, has mind rape, T-vo, Full fortress mode, intangibility, and matter and energy manip.

For most intents and purposes, Bill's out of this fight. Thor isn't handling his own team mate, plus 2 other kryptonian + opponents.

Even if they were all to fight like pure bricks, team 2 would stomp. bill's magically enchanted...hes not just a robot. henshaw ain't controlling him.

thor has odinforce...something cyborg and erad have no defense against.

also, you make henshaw sound like a god, but he's lost to superman more times than i can count.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yep, I have also never seen Henshaw take over a living being before like BrB. If he has ever done it I am not aware of it anywho.

What part or BRB is a Cyborg dont you understand. He has large amount of tech/computer HW and SW inside of him. And Hank is a technopath that controls that stuff.

Originally posted by Starscream M
bill's magically enchanted...hes not just a robot. henshaw ain't controlling him.

Bill has magical anti henshaw robot parts? Please show the proof and I will gladly concede this point. LOL

Originally posted by Starscream M
thor has odinforce...something cyborg and erad have no defense against.

You mean it's just another form of energy that can be manipulated by Erads? Erads has used his more potent attacks more than Thor has. Thor has no defense against T-Vo..and he's been matter manipulated before.

Originally posted by Starscream M
also, you make henshaw sound like a god, but he's lost to superman more times than i can count.

Gods (including Thor) have lost to Superman. Henshaw has also beaten Supes. Your point?

Originally posted by Avlon
Bill has magical anti henshaw robot parts? Please show the proof and I will gladly concede this point. LOL

bill has asgardian enchantment. he's not a regular robot. hence henshaw can't manipulate him. you want me to show proof of antihenshaw parts? why dont you show me henshaw taking control of any magically enchanted cyborgs.


Originally posted by Avlon

You mean it's just another form of energy that can be manipulated by Erads? Erads has used his more potent attacks more than Thor has. Thor has no defense against T-Vo..and he's been matter manipulated before. magic isn't regular energy...it doesn't follow the laws of science, which erad is limited by. I think thor has better chance against tvo than erad against godblast.


Originally posted by Avlon

Gods (including Thor) have lost to Superman. Henshaw has also beaten Supes. Your point? you overrate henshaw.

Hank also took over part of the Source Walls tech and I do believe thats living also.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Hank also took over part of the Source Walls tech and I do believe thats living also. which took him a while too do over a period of time.

Well, its also a lot bigger and more powerful than BRB.

It's the Source frigging Wall. the fact that he did it at all is insane.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Well, its also a lot bigger and more powerful than BRB. never said it wasnt,but it took time thats all.so dont cry about it.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's the Source frigging Wall. the fact that he did it at all is insane. why...just cuz it da source? he just had the right powerset

Originally posted by Nihilist
never said it wasnt,but it took time thats all.so dont cry about it.

bawling

Originally posted by Starscream M
why...just cuz it da source? he just had the right powerset

*slap* STFU n00b.

Exactly....Hank has the right powerset to stomp/take BRB over.

Its like Magneto vs Wolverine or Colossus.

Also this takes place on Apokolips and Hank knows this place.

Theres insane tech here to do his bidding.

I should mention that he commandeered an Apokolips storm-trooper and upgraded him into a body for himself.

OP Isn't the brightest, putting a cyborg up against something that controls machinery.

Outside of that, i do think team 1 would win.

More powerful in the way that matters, and Erads is a loser. Great design, but a loser all the same.

Against the entire planet of Apokolips, Eradicator, and Beta-Ray Bill?

Hellz no. Thor's ****ed.

why is everyone assuming brb is being converted by henshaw? brb isn't a goddamn typical robot....jeez

even with out conversion team two is more versatile. more durable. faster. both have superman biology. um yeah. try fighting superman with surfer power or superman with technopathic powers. team two 7/10

Originally posted by fangirl101
try fighting superman with surfer power or superman with technopathic powers. team two 7/10 um try again

neither erad nor borg are anywhere close to superman in terms of fighting and brawling

what you have is a silver surfer lite (erad) and a superman wannabe with technopathy

Originally posted by Starscream M
um try again

neither erad nor borg are anywhere close to superman in terms of fighting and brawling

what you have is a silver surfer lite (erad) and a superman wannabe with technopathy


Dude eradicator >supes he physically can stalment him and he has the ability to transform things and munipulate matter. he has changed the color of the sun, and burned holes in supes skin. Current supes is tougher but in the past eradicater is a cross between supes and silver surfer with some abilities of thanos. As far as brawling id have to agree with ya id give it to supes.


Starscream you yourself said it. We have a silver surfer superman combo. The asgardians have a chance sure they do. But you must remember theses guys are not regular kryptonians. Theses 2 supermen are very versital, even more so then supes. And im takeing nothing from thor and BRB.

Originally posted by Starscream M
bill has asgardian enchantment. he's not a regular robot. hence henshaw can't manipulate him. you want me to show proof of antihenshaw parts? why dont you show me henshaw taking control of any magically enchanted cyborgs.

In other words, you have nothing except that he's a (LOL) magically enchanted Cyborg. When has Henshaw failed to take over tech that he's wanted?

Unless Bill is magically enchanted against physical damage and manipulation (he isn't) his tech is as susceptible as any.


Originally posted by Starscream M
magic isn't regular energy...it doesn't follow the laws of science, which erad is limited by. I think thor has better chance against tvo than erad against godblast.

Gee...must be why Surfer was able to synthesize the Odin force and even Odin and Thanos admitted that it's just another form of energy. Add to that that Thor's use of it is basic vs his dad and it's a moot point anyway.

Thor has been matter manipulated in the past...and turned into a frog.


Originally posted by Starscream M
you overrate henshaw.

Or perhaps you underrate him.

How about BRB supporters show proof that he can resist a Technopath on Hanks level.


There are a ton of proof what Hank can do with his stuff that was already posted.

Lol at anyone thinking that team 2 is even CLOSE to being as versatile as thor and brb.

Well they are not dragged around by a hammer.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Hank also took over part of the Source Walls tech and I do believe thats living also.

And beyond what Gods themselves comprehend.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8623/adventuresofsuperman551ed0.th.jpg

Forcefully bonded with aliens on every planet he's visited.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1633/returnofsuperman340bd2.th.jpg

Forcefully taken over Steels mind controlled armor.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6619/returnofsuperman446ch6.th.jpg

Converted a body + tech into a body for himself on the fly.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9071/doomsdayhunterprey1pg26ti4.th.jpghttp://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1167/doomsdayhunterprey1pg27oz1.th.jpg

There are tons of examples that Henshaw has that are great for battle.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol at anyone thinking that team 2 is even CLOSE to being as versatile as thor and brb.

LOL @ thinking that guys who can't even fly on their own and don't have supersenses, speed, matter manip, energy manip, technopathy, etc are more versatile...

Originally posted by Spire
Well they are not dragged around by a hammer.

It doesnt matter what they're dragged around by, there versatility AND power is much greater then theres. The only thing that is keeping this fight interested is the speed difference (which is the reason cis is on so they wont even use that in battle) and, hell, thats basically it.

Originally posted by carver9
It doesnt matter what they're dragged around by, there versatility AND power is much greater then theres. The only thing that is keeping this fight interested is the speed difference (which is the reason cis is on so they wont even use that in battle) and, hell, thats basically it.

Not in the flight category.

Originally posted by Avlon
And beyond what Gods themselves comprehend.

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8623/adventuresofsuperman551ed0.th.jpg

Forcefully bonded with aliens on every planet he's visited.

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/1633/returnofsuperman340bd2.th.jpg

Forcefully taken over Steels mind controlled armor.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6619/returnofsuperman446ch6.th.jpg

Converted a body + tech into a body for himself on the fly.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9071/doomsdayhunterprey1pg26ti4.th.jpghttp://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1167/doomsdayhunterprey1pg27oz1.th.jpg

There are tons of examples that Henshaw has that are great for battle.



LOL @ thinking that guys who can't even fly on their own and don't have supersenses, speed, matter manip, energy manip, technopathy, etc are more versatile...

So with your last quote I guess you're saying that theyre also more versatile then surfer. They can energy mani and matter mani, what are you talking about.

Thor and brb are on a different level then both on the dc side and anyone who think otherwise knows nothing of both characters.

Power wise, this is a mis match fight. Speed and henshaw is the only thing that is making this interesting. I agree with henshaw taking over brb's body, it would be as easy as magneto manipulating his body.

Originally posted by Avlon


Forcefully taken over Steels mind controlled armor.

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/6619/returnofsuperman446ch6.th.jpg

Oh whats this? Hank cant take over Cyborgs because they are not robots.......

Originally posted by carver9
So with your last quote I guess you're saying that theyre also more versatile then surfer. They can energy mani and matter mani, what are you talking about.

Erads has always been more versatile than Surfer. He has all of Surfers powers and more. Henshaw is close but with rings...he surpasses both.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor and brb are on a different level then both on the dc side and anyone who think otherwise knows nothing of both characters.

You're right. Thor and BRB are on a different level. A lower one physically and versatility wise.

Originally posted by carver9
Power wise, this is a mis match fight. Speed and henshaw is the only thing that is making this interesting. I agree with henshaw taking over brb's body, it would be as easy as magneto manipulating his body.

This isn't even a battle. It's a stomp in Team 2's favor.

Lol at Erad being Surfer+.

Cyborg and Erads are both based off the physiology of a Superman from 16 years prior.

Even if they weren't, they'd aren't physically dominant in their approach, so the point is mute regardless.

Team two wins because half of team 1 is robotic, but aside from that, they'd lose.

Erad is a loser. Whether Kem-El or Davie show up.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Lol at Erad being Surfer+.

Power/versatility wise, he is. As a second stringer in DC, you won't see it often though.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Cyborg and Erads are both based off the physiology of a Superman from 16 years prior.

Strange since Erads is the one who powered up the modern Superman and has stalemated him in physical battle. Something Thor wasn't able to accomplish even with his hammer.

Henshaw heals on demand and has high durability and low durability showings. His high (black holes, omega beams, atomizing blasts, bloodlusted guardian, Superman sucker punches) are good and his bad one (Arisia) is bad..but then again.... Thor was in danger from falling off a building and has been ko'd by a shotgun bullet in the past.

Guess we should throw out all of Thor's feats and go by his low ones too.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Even if they weren't, they'd aren't physically dominant in their approach, so the point is mute regardless.

Pretty much, since current Thor needed Odinpower just to survive a basic blast and was being rocked by punches that even Titania can dish out. Nevermind a kryptonian...

Terrax/Surfer/Supes should be able to one or two shot current Thor now since you know...Bor at best was shown to be planet busting entity. Hell, those 3 must be skyfathers now!

TOriginally posted by UniOmni
eam two wins because half of team 1 is robotic, but aside from that, they'd lose.

Yea, team 2 wins despite the LOL of thinking team 1 wins otherwise.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Erad is a loser. Whether Kem-El or Davie show up.

Yea, he's been jobbed since his early days. Doesn't make him less powerful in forum match up's though. He's still got good showings and an excellent power set.

what has erad ever done besides getting t-bagged by borg and superman?

In Apokolis? Are you kidding?

Current Thor is good, but Apokolips, geez...

Originally posted by Starscream M
what has erad ever done besides getting t-bagged by borg and superman?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t409264.html

Yea, Erads is always teabagged by Supes...

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/6657/week032000supesmos09619kh2.th.jpghttp://img172.imageshack.us/img172/6013/week032000supesmos09620oz6.th.jpghttp://img519.imageshack.us/img519/4364/week032000supesmos09621bg2.th.jpghttp://img519.imageshack.us/img519/3184/week032000supesmos09622ec5.th.jpg


When he isn't jobbing (David) Erads is a force to be reckoned with.

In all honesty, barring soul sucking, which is something Thor never does and its not sure to work, team 1 has no chance in beating Apokolips.

I know that Trickster and Avlon are adamant in their positions at times and it seems extreme. This time it isn't. Apokolips tech would mess Thor. Bad.

Originally posted by Bentley
In all honesty, barring soul sucking, which is something Thor never does and its not sure to work, team 1 has no chance in beating Apokolips.

I know that Trickster and Avlon are adamant in their positions at times and it seems extreme. This time it isn't. Apokolips tech would mess Thor. Bad.

No different than anyone else who debates on here. There are plenty here who lowball based on what company they like.

I just choose not to underrate either side.

Originally posted by Bentley
In all honesty, barring soul sucking, which is something Thor never does and its not sure to work, team 1 has no chance in beating Apokolips.

I know that Trickster and Avlon are adamant in their positions at times and it seems extreme. This time it isn't. Apokolips tech would mess Thor. Bad.

Thor's done it.....

It's not a particularly far fetched application of Mjolnir either, Thor just has to be pissed.

Originally posted by Avlon
No different than anyone else who debates on here. There are plenty here who lowball based on what company they like.

I just choose not to underrate either side.

That's a lie.

Not long ago you tried to use Rulk as a low feat for Thor. How is using a bullshit comic by Loeb not lowballing?

I didn't use Rulk. The key problem with soul suck, is that it's iffy that it would work on these 2. Henshaw having a soul is dubious. And Eradicator may not have one either.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Not long ago you tried to use Rulk as a low feat for Thor. How is using a bullshit comic by Loeb not lowballing?

So Rulk DIDN'T physically rock Thor?

Who cares of Loeb, Bendis, or John's wrote the comic? Did Marvel/DC suddenly give you authority opinion over the writers?

I've given credit on both ends of that Rulk/Thor fight. If you're going to make a claim, I suggest you get the full story first. Especially since I'm no fan of the Hulk.

Originally posted by Avlon
So Rulk DIDN'T physically rock Thor?

Who cares of Loeb, Bendis, or John's wrote the comic? Did Marvel/DC suddenly give you authority opinion over the writers?

I've given credit on both ends of that fight. If you're going to make a claim, I suggest you get the full story first.

Like I said, lowballing. If you're going to claim that something isn't PIS, I suggest you read more about a certain character.

Like how a green lantern can cut through Henshaw like he's butter.

At least Rulk's knocked out a Watcher and whatnot, Henshaw was cut in two.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Like I said, lowballing. If you're going to claim that something isn't PIS, I suggest you read more about a certain character.

Like how a green lantern can cut through Henshaw like he's butter.

At least Rulk's knocked out a Watcher and whatnot, Henshaw was cut in two. how was Rulk beating thor PIS?

Rulk was a completely new character at the time with no power guidelines...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Henshaw having a soul is dubious. henshaw having a soul is dubious??? do you even have any knowledge of henshaw at all???

Originally posted by Starscream M
how was Rulk beating thor PIS?

Rulk was a completely new character at the time with no power guidelines... Because Rulk has more feats now to compare?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Like I said, lowballing. If you're going to claim that something isn't PIS, I suggest you read more about a certain character.

Perhaps you should follow your own advice. Otherwise, get a job within Marvel/DC if you feel like you should be the endall judge of comic PIS.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Like how a green lantern can cut through Henshaw like he's butter.

And I brought this up as a low showing in an earlier statement. Read before making emo statements.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
At least Rulk's knocked out a Watcher and whatnot, Henshaw was cut in two.

So has Lunatik, who was defeated by Surfer.

Loeb wrote it and he managed to violate several rules of comics, including that shit with him grabbing the hammer. facepalm

Originally posted by Avlon
Perhaps you should follow your own advice. Otherwise, get a job within Marvel/DC if you feel like you should be the endall judge of comic PIS.

No, we decide what's PIS here on KMC.

Marvel might not have a problem with Firelord getting his shit kicked in by Spider-man, BUT WE DO. That's why we don't use feats like that here.

Originally posted by Avlon
And I brought this up as a low showing in an earlier statement. Read before making emo statements.

Emo statements, lmao.

You're not just stupid, you can't read either.

Originally posted by Avlon
So has Lunatik, who was defeated by Surfer.

They stalemated.

And Lunatik still has far better feats than Arisia.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
No, we decide what's PIS here on KMC.

Marvel might not have a problem with Firelord getting his shit kicked in by Spider-man, BUT WE DO. That's why we don't use feats like that here.

You've become the voice of KMC now? That in the rules somewhere?


Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Emo statements, lmao.

You're not just stupid, you can't read either.

Considering you usually agree with me more than you disagree...you must be stupid as well.

Like I said..Emo.



Originally posted by Kris Blaze
They stalemated.

And Lunatik still has far better feats than Arisia.

Sure does, but the bullet that ko'd Thor doesn't. Guess that building he was afraid of falling from must be herald level too.

Originally posted by Avlon
You've become the voice of KMC now? That in the rules somewhere?

The voice of KMC? No. There are however certain traits typical to PIS.

Originally posted by Avlon
Considering you usually agree with me more than you disagree...you must be stupid as well.

Like I said..Emo.

Fail Jr.Mod.

Originally posted by Avlon
Sure does, but the bullet that ko'd Thor doesn't. Guess that building he was afraid of falling from must be herald level too.

Fail.

What does Classic Thor have to do with the current one?

Avlon, stop it. Rulk? Really? and can we all agree not to use stupid low feats?

Originally posted by Mindset
Because Rulk has more feats now to compare? he doesn't have many feats now...hence anything involving him cannot be PIS by definition

PIS is when a character does something they aren't capable of....ie Spiderman beating Thor in armwrestling

when a character doesn't have defined guidelines of what they are capable of (a la Rulk), then you can't claim PIS because they do something you don't like

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Avlon, stop it. Rulk? Really? and can we all agree not to use stupid low feats? jeezus trick, first Henshaw doesn't have a soul...now this?

so its a low feat because you don't like it?

why the hell is it a low feat for thor to get beaten by someone who oneshots a friggin Watcher?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
The voice of KMC? No. There are however certain traits typical to PIS.

Agreed. Too bad you misunderstood my original point about low feats and went into a rant.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Fail Jr.Mod.

Says the new voice of KMC.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Fail.

What does Classic Thor have to do with the current one?

He has more and better feats for one.

Originally posted by Starscream M
he doesn't have many feats now...hence anything involving him cannot be PIS by definition

PIS is when a character does something they aren't capable of....ie Spiderman beating Thor in armwrestling

when a character doesn't have defined guidelines of what they are capable of (a la Rulk), then you can't claim PIS because they do something you don't like Originally posted by Galan007
F*ck you, Rulk:

http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1124367_sh1.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1124368_sh2.jpg http://s1d3.turboimagehost.com/t/1124385_sh3.jpg

ermmhappy

Originally posted by Mindset
ok, that shows Rulk getting defeated by unconventional nonphysical means (bubble around head)...so next time thor puts a bubble around rulk's head and rulk still breathes, then you can claim PIS

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Avlon, stop it. Rulk? Really? and can we all agree not to use stupid low feats?

Might as well ask water to not be wet.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, that shows Rulk getting defeated by unconventional nonphysical means (bubble around head)...so next time thor puts a bubble around rulk's head and rulk still breathes, then you can claim PIS . . .

Someone who is capable of beating Odinforce Thor is able to be beaten by Sue, She Hulk, and Storm?

Right...

Originally posted by Mindset
. . .

Someone who is capable of beating Odinforce Thor is able to be beaten by Sue, She Hulk, and Storm?

Right... someone who is capable of being more brutal and physically overwhelming must also lack the need to breathe oxygen? flawless logic for the win

Originally posted by Starscream M
someone who is capable of being more brutal and physically overwhelming must also lack the need to breathe oxygen? flawless logic for the win He should be strong enough to break the forcefield.

Originally posted by Mindset
He should be strong enough to break the forcefield. ok, so how does that make him beating thor PIS? that just makes the fact that he lost to the chick squad PIS

Well, clearly that example showed that:

She Hulks punches are > Current Thor
Storms lightning is > Current Thor,

Sue, Storm, and She Hulk are above Thor and a Watcher.

Seriously though, the girls fought intelligently and used weakness exploitation to get the win.

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, so how does that make him beating thor PIS? that just makes the fact that he lost to the chick squad PIS So it isn't PIS that Thor didn't beat Rulk, but it's PIS that Rulk didn't beat Sue and co.?

Why is that?

I gave that issue of Hulk to my nephew because it completely sucked. We should never use Rulk in debating his feats are all over the bloody place.

Originally posted by Mindset
So it isn't PIS that Thor didn't beat Rulk, but it's PIS that Rulk didn't beat Sue and co.?

Why is that?

ok, this is my reasoning

Rulk makes his entrance into comicdom...we don't know who he is or how powerful he is

he kills abom, one shots watcher, beats she-hulk and im like toys, and then beats Thor

so now we get a sense of how powerful he is...high-herald in power (not versatility)

that is his power baseline

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later he gets beat by chick squad...which completely contradicts all of his earlier showings....hence it is PIS

Originally posted by Starscream M
ok, this is my reasoning

Rulk makes his entrance into comicdom...we don't know who he is or how powerful he is

he kills abom, one shots watcher, beats she-hulk and im like toys, and then beats Thor

so now we get a sense of how powerful he is...high-herald in power (not versatility)

that is his power baseline

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later he gets beat by chick squad...which completely contradicts all of his earlier showings....hence it is PIS He shoots Abom with a gun, he knocked the Watcher off his feet, that's about it. When he beat She Hulk and IM he caught them both off guard.

The only real feat that your using to base his power on is the one with Thor.

Originally posted by Mindset
He shoots Abom with a gun, he knocked the Watcher off his feet, that's about it. When he beat She Hulk and IM he caught them both off guard.

The only real feat that your using to base his power on is the one with Thor. so we can do this for any character

just pick a low feat, and then disqualify any high feats as PIS.

its pointless

Originally posted by Starscream M
so we can do this for any character

just pick a low feat, and then disqualify any high feats as PIS.

its pointless His only high feat would be his fight with Thor.

Other characters don't have only one high end feat that we use to base their powers on, not when they have other feats that can be used to make an avg.

Originally posted by Mindset
His only high feat would be his fight with Thor.

Other characters don't have only one high end feat that we use to base their powers on, not when they have other feats that can be used to make an avg. I consider his other feats to be pretty impressive, but you discounted them, so whatever. The fact is he beat thor by overpowering him but he didn't lose to the chicks by being overpowered...so I don't see a big disconnect. But whatever, I seriously don't care to defend rulk that much.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I consider his other feats to be pretty impressive, but you discounted them, so whatever. The fact is he beat thor by overpowering him but he didn't lose to the chicks by being overpowered...so I don't see a big disconnect. But whatever, I seriously don't care to defend rulk that much. I gave the feats context.

Originally posted by Mindset
I gave the feats context. but you realize that alot of people were calling Rulk beating Thor PIS before Rulk even had any low-showings, right?

Please get back to the topic and stop antagonizing each other.

Originally posted by Avlon
Sure does, but the bullet that ko'd Thor doesn't. Guess that building he was afraid of falling from must be herald level too. Classic Thor has more feats of taking bullets with no problem than he does getting hurt by bullets. And that particular instance was recanted in a subsequent interview as a miscommunication between writer and artist. It was supposed to be a Kirby-esq gun, not a normal sniper rifle. Not only that, current Thor has no problem taking machine gun fire.

Also, classic Thor has many feats where he falls from great heights without any problems. Not only that, we've seen current Thor fall from great heights without dying.

So what exactly are the points you're making here, other than being off-topic since this is current Thor, and trying to take isolated instances of low-feats in contravention of their average/usual feats even if the conversation was about classic Thor?

Oh... and concerning how we should quantify how hard current Thor hits based on his Rulk fight... people do understand that Rulk was playing possum when he fought the Lady Liberators, right?

Originally posted by Avlon
Well, clearly that example showed that:

She Hulks punches are > Current Thor
Storms lightning is > Current Thor,

Sue, Storm, and She Hulk are above Thor and a Watcher.

Seriously though, the girls fought intelligently and used weakness exploitation to get the win.

OMg you guys are getting out of hand with this one.

ANything Rulk is not a good to to use period end of story.

HIs up's and downs contradict each other.

HE beats Hulk loses to Hulk

HE smacks down a watcher then pimp slaps Thor.

THen THor beats him to a inch of his life.

Hulk then beats him b/c now he overheats.

THe girls beat on him which he was just playing dead like mention but then again he should of not needed to do that anyways.

SO throw Rulk out the window until a good writer come along.

THen someone say thor needed the odinforce to survive a blast not true learn to read.

Current Thor had to stop stormbreaker from crashing into a city and only said Odin give me the strength. Nothing mention of the odinpower to keep him alive.

THe only time him mention needing the odinforce to live was agaist Bor attack one attack Thor' been hit by big G thanos and a whole lot of tohers and was able to live. So that puts BOr on a high level hmm what do we call the leader of a group of gods whats that term skyfather.

Thor was consider high herald level before the Odinforce and every comic show how much strounger he is. THis match up all depends on how each other teams plays there cards. MAn you guys get out of hand sometimes.

No, this particular match is decidedly against Thor.

Skyfather or not, he has no chance against not only Bill, Eradicator, and Henshaw, but the entire planet of Apokolips and it's technology.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, this particular match is decidedly against Thor.

Skyfather or not, he has no chance against not only Bill, Eradicator, and Henshaw, but the entire planet of Apokolips and it's technology. When has Henshaw ever taken over someone like BrB?

facepalm You're asking me for an example of something, that's basically Henshaw's main power. Go to hell, Quan.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
No, this particular match is decidedly against Thor.

Skyfather or not, he has no chance against not only Bill, Eradicator, and Henshaw, but the entire planet of Apokolips and it's technology. Would Henshaw be able to overcome Apokolips technology's defenses in time for it to make a contribution in this battle? Also... wouldn't Apokolips' denizens and particularly Darkseid have something to say about Henshaw trying such a stunt?

OP: are the usual folks on Apokolips, or is it deserted?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
OP: are the usual folks on Apokolips, or is it deserted? no occupants...but all tech and structures and resources are on Apokolips

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
facepalm You're asking me for an example of something, that's basically Henshaw's main power. Go to hell, Quan. So you cannot provide one.

So anybody want to postulate how quickly Henshaw takes over Apokolips tech while fighting foes like current Thor and Beta Ray Bill and Eradicator running interference?

Less than a minute. Maybe 2. Hell, it could be in less than 30 seconds.

Originally posted by The Nuul
How about BRB supporters show proof that he can resist a Technopath on Hanks level.


There are a ton of proof what Hank can do with his stuff that was already posted.

I strongly suggest some of you read the quoted post below....

Originally posted by Raoul
Reports and the Ignore Function

We all know the VS Forum is the biggest on topic forum on KMC. It has more traffic than most of the other forums combined. That's a hell of a lot of people debating and arguing and disagreeing. Due to the nature of debating, not everyone is going to be able to agree with each other. Everyone has their favourites, and whether that influences their decisions or not, they're still going to be at odds with other people. In recent times, we have been getting a lot of Reports from people complaining about things that just aren't report worthy. As Mods, it is our job to keep the peace, not be a referee every time a disagreement rears its ugly head. People have grudges and vendettas, but frankly, if you can't get over it, reporting the person you don't like isn't going to make a difference. It makes the forum look bad when there are reports that are just taking up space.

If you spot someone GENUINELY trolling i.e. making inflammatory statements, blatantly lying about something on panel, then report them. Do not accuse someone of trolling just because you don't like what they say. That's what the Ignore Function is for. If you are going to be at odds with someone, and don't want to have to interact with them, don't report them secretly hoping they'll get banned or in trouble. Why? It won't work. Put them on ignore instead. It saves both members and moderators a lot of hassle.

To summarise: The ability to Report people is not something that should be done lightly or something that should be abused in any way. It makes the VS look bad, and it makes the members in the forum look bad. You're old enough to post on a forum, and are expected to have the maturity to act accordingly. TRY to work things out between yourselves. If you can't, there's always the ignore function.

This thread is closed do to multiple reports....