Parallax vs. Abraxas

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nvrbeenwthagirl
Now many people would have you assume that DC only had one Universe when Parallax wiped out everything in the DCU. Those are obviously people who didn't bother to pick up all the side issues that went with Zero hour. There were alternate version of heroes skipping in and out. Also it was revealed in IC that They had been messing with the DCU since crisis. ANd that all the Elseworlds stories published were in fact alternate realities. Thus making Parrallax's feat multiversal in power. NOw with that said, Who wins this fight?

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Now many people would have you assume that DC only had one Universe when Parallax wiped out everything in the DCU. Those are obviously people who didn't bother to pick up all the side issues that went with Zero hour. There were alternate version of heroes skipping in and out. Also it was revealed in IC that They had been messing with the DCU since crisis. ANd that all the Elseworlds stories published were in fact alternate realities. Thus making Parrallax's feat multiversal in power. NOw with that said, Who wins this fight?

On Panel it was ONE Universe Parallax erased,

so it's not people "assuming" it's what's said ON PANEL.

The ONLY one assuming here it was Multiversal is you.


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Unless you have evidence disputing this,

ONE Universe destroyed, ONE Universe created. smile


Abraxas wins, since ONLY eraseing an entire Multi-verse can stop him.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel it was ONE Universe Parallax erased,

so it's not people "assuming" it's what's said ON PANEL.

The ONLY one assuming here it was Multiversal is you.


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Unless you have evidence disputing this,

ONE Universe destroyed, ONE Universe created. smile


Abraxas wins, since ONLY eraseing an entire Multi-verse can stop him.

I really dont' see how you can so easily say this and that about on panel. ON panel he also said maybe one universe won't be enough. He had the power to make multiple universes. On panel thanos only took over one universe, and yet you argue all the time that the ig is multiversal, your such a hippocrit. Dont' bother. U just have to be right you just have to win and marvel is precious in ur site.

nvrbeenwthagirl
One more thing, It just amazes me how you can use the fact that the UN remade the multiverse as a reference to the IG being Multiversal. When the UN did this feat long after the IG saga, And yet, I say that IC made WOrld's funnest cannon and Made Zero Hour multi-versal and you want to argue against it. Dont you see how you are such a hippocrit. You use certain things to argue for your precious marvel and then when I use the same arguments for DC, you have a hissy fit. I can't believe people actually call you master when your such a sham. You argue to win by any means needed. And you wont' stop until every one gives you ur kudos and they never really even stop to think that your really not right all the time.

Starhawk
It was a type of multiverse called Hypertime. Not different universes per say just different timelines.

Abraxas takes it.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
It was a type of multiverse called Hypertime. Not different universes per say just different timelines.

Abraxas takes it.

Um No. Differnt Time lines are part of the MULTIVERSE. But there were completely different Universes as well. Or did you read the one shots where there were completely differnt heroes in differnt universes. You remember the girl flash who wore pink and had blonde hair? not a differnt time line, a differnt universe.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I really dont' see how you can so easily say this and that about on panel.

I'm not saying anything, DC is saying it.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ON panel he also said maybe one universe won't be enough.

Which means nothing.

On Panel, He destroyed ONE Universe, and created ONE Universe.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He had the power to make multiple universes.

Prove it.

Otherwise your speculating WITH OUT a shred of evidence.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
On panel thanos only took over one universe, and yet you argue all the time that the ig is multiversal,


Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had TOTAL CONTROL of TWO UNIVERSES,

and he himself was in a UNIVERSE separated from these TWO Universes he was TOTALY CONTROLLING!


"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.



More PROOF:


Immediately after Magus MEGERS the TWO UNIVERSES:


Dr Strange says,

"We have FAILED, the Magus has WON this Round"
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5967/m1uf3.th.jpg


Xavier says,

"Already I feel it METAMORPHOSING into something Unrecognizable"
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3129/m2zm9.th.jpg


Galactus says,

"Energy Levels Up in the traget Dimension, ALTERATIONS in MY OWN REALITY"
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8986/m3zl2.th.jpg




And WHEN its over,

Moondragon solidifies the FACT it was a UNIVERSAL WARP

"But this time he wasn't able to UNIVERSALLY Wipe Away the memory of what has OCCURRED"
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7235/m5fe8.th.jpg


Read em and weep, laughing out loud


This is WHY we KNOW for a FAAAAAAACT,

that a COMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet is MULTIVERSAL.



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
your such a hippocrit. Dont' bother.

And you neverhadaclue, about the Infinity Gauntlet,

name fits you perfectly.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
U just have to be right you just have to win and marvel is precious in ur site.

Rubbish.

If you have the scans or the issue numbers where Parallax destroys a Multi-verse, I will gladly give you the win.

Until then,

Abraxas takes this 10/10

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm not saying anything, DC is saying it.




Which means nothing.

On Panel, He destroyed ONE Universe, and created ONE Universe.




Prove it.

Otherwise your speculating with otu a shred of evidence.





Magus with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet had TOTAL CONTROL of TWO UNIVERSES,

and he himself was in a UNIVERSE separated from these TWO Universes he was TOTALY CONTROLLING!


"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.



More PROOF:


Immediately after Magus MEGERS the TWO UNIVERSES:


Dr Strange says,

"We have FAILED, the Magus has WON this Round"
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/5967/m1uf3.th.jpg


Xavier says,

"Already I feel it METAMORPHOSING into something Unrecognizable"
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/3129/m2zm9.th.jpg


Galactus says,

"Energy Levels Up in the traget Dimension, ALTERATIONS in MY OWN REALITY"
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8986/m3zl2.th.jpg




And WHEN its over,

Moondragon solidifies the FACT it was a UNIVERSAL WARP

"But this time he wasn't able to UNIVERSALLY Wipe Away the memory of what has OCCURRED"
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7235/m5fe8.th.jpg



This is WHY we KNOW for a FAAAAAAACT,

that a COMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet is MULTIVERSAL.





And you neverhadaclue, about the Infinity Gauntlet,

name fits you perfectly.




Rubbish.

If you have the scans or the issue numbers where Parallax destroys a Multi-verse, I will gladly give you the win.

Until then,

Abraxas takes this 10/10

ANd exactly how do we know the magus was taking over two universes when it was all a ruse? HMM? Wasn't he basicallly tricked?

And until THANOS WITH THE IG takes over multiple universes on panel, using your rules, THE Complete IG is not Multiversal. As a matter of fact, we will never know since the magus was tricked. and Since on PANEL HAL basically said he could make more than one universe, he is multiversal!!!!!

ANd one more thing, if anything reading those panels, it really just looks like the magus is merging the universe he wanted or created with the existing one. Kinda like hal talking about more than one universe.

I think you extrapolate what you want on panel to your own desired ends. Ive seen you do it many times, and i'm not the only one who has called oyu on it. I dont' give a damn if God calls you mr master, sometimes you be on BS and you know it.

Starhawk
DC stated that Hypertime was NOT a new multiverse, it was simply different timelines. It was something hidden that no one was supposed to know about cause they were worried someone would try to destroy it but there was only ONE universe.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
One more thing, It just amazes me how you can use the fact that the UN remade the multiverse as a reference to the IG being Multiversal. When the UN did this feat long after the IG saga,

Now your going into a deep well of mumbo jumbo,


READ the PROOF I just posted of an INCOMPLETE IG performing a MULTIVERSAL FEAT.

And it was INCOMPLETE!!!!



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet, I say that IC made WOrld's funnest cannon and Made Zero Hour multi-versal and you want to argue against it. Dont you see how you are such a hippocrit.

The Parallax FEAT was the destruction of ONE Universe.

You don't like it, complain to DC.


"hippocrit"

BEFORE you use the word, learn how to spell it my boy,

Hypocrite.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You use certain things to argue for your precious marvel and then when I use the same arguments for DC, you have a hissy fit.

Only you nvrhadaclue about the IG's Feats.

And now your ranting gibberish.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I can't believe people actually call you master when your such a sham.

Well, I can surely believe why they call you nvrhadaclue.

You post a consecutive amount of garbage, completely void of the knowledge behind what your posting.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You argue to win by any means needed. And you wont' stop until every one gives you ur kudos and they never really even stop to think that your really not right all the time.

sign23

nvrbeenwthagirl
And one more damn thing, The magus merges two universes into one and Alexander Luthor merges billions and yet you try and make AL nothing. OMG U R SO BIASED AND I don't give a figs newt if people say they are tired of me crying that song, it's so true.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
DC stated that Hypertime was NOT a new multiverse, it was simply different timelines. It was something hidden that no one was supposed to know about cause they were worried someone would try to destroy it but there was only ONE universe.

What the heck are you talking about. Hypertime has nothing to do with this. Read Infinite Crisis. It's all about multiple universes. IC made All those elseworld's universes cannon. AN alternate time line would incline something that is a variation from the main line. What about Superboy primes universe that was NOTHING like the main DCU. it hadn't altered from the main in the slightest. it was it's own. and the many many others that were not alterate time lines but complete and new universes. HMMM?

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd exactly how do we know the magus was taking over two universes when it was all a ruse? HMM? Wasn't he basicallly tricked?

And until THANOS WITH THE IG takes over multiple universes on panel, using your rules, THE Complete IG is not Multiversal. As a matter of fact, we will never know since the magus was tricked.

Where On Panel does it say Magus did not Merge the TWO Universes?

Are you going to continue to post pure gibberish that comes from that empty coconut you call a head?


Magus thought he was Omnipotent, which he wasn't, but his power with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet was still able to MERGE the TWO Universes, and he did it from a UNIVERSE SEPARATED from the TWO he MERGED.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and Since on PANEL HAL basically said he could make more than one universe, he is multiversal!!!!!

Sorry Charlie,

Hyperbole is not a FEAT.



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd one more thing, if anything reading those panels, it really just looks like the magus is merging the universe he wanted or created with the existing one. Kinda like hal talking about more than one universe.

Hal talked the Talk,

Magus Walked the Walk,


major difference clueless.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I think you extrapolate what you want on panel to your own desired ends. Ive seen you do it many times, and i'm not the only one who has called oyu on it. I dont' give a damn if God calls you mr master, sometimes you be on BS and you know it.

blahblah

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And one more damn thing, The magus merges two universes into one and Alexander Luthor merges billions and yet you try and make AL nothing. OMG U R SO BIASED AND I don't give a figs newt if people say they are tired of me crying that song, it's so true.


According to you, the ALE has the power of Billions of Universes, laughing


When and Where did Luthor do this, or do you really think I'll take your unworthy word on it?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
Where On Panel does it say Magus did not Merge the TWO Universes?

Are you going to continue to post pure gibberish that comes from that empty coconut you call a head?


Magus thought he was Omnipotent, which he wasn't, but his power with an INCOMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet was still able to MERGE the TWO Universes, and he did it from a UNIVERSE SEPARATED from the TWO he MERGED.




Sorry Charlie,

Hyperbole is not a FEAT.





Hal talked the Talk,

Magus Walked the Walk,


major difference clueless.




blahblah

And exactly where is your proof that he actually merged another universe and he wasn't just merging his universe into the one that was there. All he did was remake the universe with his own image. The emporer joker did that. You really do make things seem the way you want them too for your benefit. I'm not budging on this one. THe IG is not multiversal and HAL is. And until you show me a seperate universe, the magus didn't merge a whole other universe, only his image of what he wanted the universe to be.

nvrbeenwthagirl
and one more thing, show me where it says on panel, or on panel the magus saying he merges TWO universes or is this more of your extrapolating for your own benefit? You sure know how to add your own bit of wording to things. you should be a scriptor.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
According to you, the ALE has the power of Billions of Universes, laughing


When and Where did Luthor do this, or do you really think I'll take your unworthy word on it?

Check out IC. What the hell do you think all those universes where? Where do you think the new world came from that is now being written about in 52? you should read it, it's pretty good.

Starhawk
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What the heck are you talking about. Hypertime has nothing to do with this. Read Infinite Crisis. It's all about multiple universes. IC made All those elseworld's universes cannon. AN alternate time line would incline something that is a variation from the main line. What about Superboy primes universe that was NOTHING like the main DCU. it hadn't altered from the main in the slightest. it was it's own. and the many many others that were not alterate time lines but complete and new universes. HMMM?

We arent even talking about Infinite Crisis, we are talking about ZERO HOUR.

It had everything to do with Hypertime. Parallax discovered it and created rifts that literally destroyed time and they were working back and forth until they collided and wiped out their timeline.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And exactly where is your proof that he actually merged another universe and he wasn't just merging his universe into the one that was there. All he did was remake the universe with his own image. The emporer joker did that. You really do make things seem the way you want them too for your benefit. I'm not budging on this one. THe IG is not multiversal and HAL is. And until you show me a seperate universe, the magus didn't merge a whole other universe, only his image of what he wanted the universe to be.


The Magus created a DUPLICATE 616 Universe with 5 Cosmic Containment Units:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8559/5ccmakeduplicatemj6.th.jpg


Magus then MERGES the DUPLICATE Universe, with the 616 Universe

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.




thankyou yes, yes, thank you thank you.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
We arent even talking about Infinite Crisis, we are talking about ZERO HOUR.

It had everything to do with Hypertime. Parallax discovered it and created rifts that literally destroyed time and they were working back and forth until they collided and wiped out their timeline.

Parallax didn't discover Hypertime. Superman and Wonder Woman and Batman discovered it. After Kingdome come in a series called the kingdom.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Check out IC. What the hell do you think all those universes where? Where do you think the new world came from that is now being written about in 52? you should read it, it's pretty good.

Yea, I will, then we'll see if Luthor did that.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
and one more thing, show me where it says on panel, or on panel the magus saying he merges TWO universes or is this more of your extrapolating for your own benefit? You sure know how to add your own bit of wording to things. you should be a scriptor.

Are you going to SHUT your trap now?


It hurts to be wrong doesn't it?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Magus created a DUPLICATE 616 Universe with 5 Cosmic Containment Units:

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8559/5ccmakeduplicatemj6.th.jpg


Magus then MERGES the DUPLICATE Universe, with the 616 Universe

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"

With his INCOMPLETE IG, Magus MERGED TWO UNIVERSES in an INSTANT.




thankyou yes, yes, thank you thank you.

And that still doesn't make the IG Multiversal. i just said that he merged a universe of his own making. Where is he taking a universe NOT of his own making and merging them? he's not. Also, The IG did not make the other universe, the containment units did. And one more thing, show me on panel the IG Creating or destroying two universes? HAL is on panel WIping away a universe and then remaking it, MORE THAN THE MAGUS did on panel with the IG.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
Are you going to SHUT your trap now?


It hurts to be wrong doesn't it?

I guess I didn't shut up cuz i just belw your little theory apart.

Starhawk
And Parallax discovered it as well, and then he travelled to the end of time and discovered the energies could destroy time.

Parallax never actually distroyed the universre per say, just the timeline of one universe.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Starhawk
We arent even talking about Infinite Crisis, we are talking about ZERO HOUR.

It had everything to do with Hypertime. Parallax discovered it and created rifts that literally destroyed time and they were working back and forth until they collided and wiped out their timeline.

Intersting,


It's funny that the kid can't even read into what Parallax said.


Just by suggesting,


"I wonder if ONE Universe will be enough"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4262/3qi1.th.jpg


Conclusively tells us, he's ONLY dealing with ONE Universe.

Whether he had the power to do more is well ... inconsequential since he didn't.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
And Parallax discovered it as well, and then he travelled to the end of time and discovered the energies could destroy time.

Parallax never actually distroyed the universre per say, just the timeline of one universe.

I guess your right. Maybe you tell all the alternate time line stories that were connected to zero hour that they shouldn't have been printed. You should also rewrite what was said on panel. Since Hal said he destroyed the universe. He didn't say anything about a timeline. UNIVERSE was said.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
Intersting,


It's funny that the kid can't even read into what Parallax said.


Just by suggesting,


"I wonder if ONE Universe will be enough"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4262/3qi1.th.jpg


Conclusively tells us, he's ONLY dealing with ONE Universe.

Whether he had the power to do more is well ... inconsequential since he didn't.

Interesting that on panel, The magus NEVER created another universe with the IG, and never Destroyed a Universe with the IG, and yet the IG is multiversal? Hal could have created two universes and merged them. Hell Captain Atom could do that with the quantum field and he isn't as powerful as the parrallax.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And that still doesn't make the IG Multiversal. i just said that he merged a universe of his own making. Where is he taking a universe NOT of his own making and merging them? he's not.

Dude, what kind of a bonehead are you?


He MERGED the Universe he created with the Cosmic Containment Units, with Warlock's Universe, which is 616.

So having complete control of TWO Universes, from a Universe separated from both is not Multiversal.

He's controlling THREE Universes, and MERGING TWO of them.


What's wrong with your sillyness?



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also, The IG did not make the other universe, the containment units did.

Yea, I clearly said that.

Please leave the ganja alone.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And one more thing, show me on panel the IG Creating or destroying two universes?

Show me On Panel Hal destroying or creating Two Universes?

Hal destroyed ONE Universe, and created ONE Universe in it's place.


Thanos with the IG, displacing Eternity, yes, a Universe that FIGHT BACK, and then BECOMING the actual Universe entire.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7195/thcq1.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5641/tuni2cy5.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6876/tuni3fe4.th.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4971/godhoodyn7.th.jpg


yawn




Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
HAL is on panel WIping away a universe and then remaking it, MORE THAN THE MAGUS did on panel with the IG.

He's not fighting Magus, he's fighting Abraxas remember.

Starhawk
Still he only wiped out the timeline and not the Universe itself. The Universe itself was still there just temporally a blank slate to write on.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
Still he only wiped out the timeline and not the Universe itself. The Universe itself was still there just temporally a blank slate to write on.

A time line? How did he only wipe a time line if your saying he discovered hypertime? which is billions of universe. NOt just time lines. Maybe you shoudl read the kingdom. It was not just about alternate timelines. but vastly different Realities. Whch one is it? did he wipe out one timeline or the hypertime? Cuz your confusing me? He actually wiped more than one timeline out. He wiped out the universe. Please stop trying belittle what he did.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Interesting that on panel, The magus NEVER created another universe with the IG, and never Destroyed a Universe with the IG, and yet the IG is multiversal?


Magus had an INCOMPLETE IG, (it was MISSING a GEM) how many times do I have to tell you,

and still with his INCOMPLETE IG he MERGED TWO UNIVERSES, from a Universe separated from BOTH.


That is a Multiversal FEAT across THREE Universes.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hal could have created two universes and merged them.

Could have, would have, should have.

Get out of my face with speculations.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hell Captain Atom could do that with the quantum field and he isn't as powerful as the parrallax.

And Thanos BECAME a UNIVERSE, so wink

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, what kind of a bonehead are you?


He MERGED the Universe he created with the Cosmic Containment Units, with Warlock's Universe, which is 616.

So having complete control of TWO Universes, from a Universe separated from both is not Multiversal.

He's controlling THREE Universes, and MERGING TWO of them.


What's wrong with your sillyness?





Yea, I clearly said that.

Please leave the ganja alone.




Show me On Panel Hal destroying or creating Two Universes?

Hal destroyed ONE Universe, and created ONE Universe in it's place.


Thanos with the IG, displacing the Eternity, yes, a Universe that FIGHT BACK, and then BECOMING the actual Universe entire.

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7195/thcq1.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/5641/tuni2cy5.th.jpg

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/6876/tuni3fe4.th.jpg


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4971/godhoodyn7.th.jpg


yawn






He's not fighting Magus, he's fighting Abraxas remember.

I see your grasping. I want to see anyone with the IG Destroy a universe and make one in it's place. I want to see them control multiple universes at one time. Merging a self made reality is NOT being multiversal. The beyonder was multiversal. he created an entirely differnt universe on his own while yet controling the 616. That is multiversal. Mr. Mxy destroyed the entire DCmultiverse. and it was SHOWN as such. Until someone with the IG does these things, It is NOT multiversal. Hell even Multi-Eternity/INfnity didn't give a shit about the IG. they said, Why do we care about ONE get it ONE part that is part of our whole? The IG wasn't any kind of threat to them. It wasn't multiversal then, and isn't now. I"m going to bed. And i'm sure you will pull scans out of your ass and twist words cuz you just can't stand to be wrong. but you are. GOODNIGHT.

P.S. every DC fan knows that Alexandor Luther was playing with Billions of universes looking for the perfect earth. and then he started to make his own. you should read more dc before you keep trying to put it down and make marvel seem so much more powerful when it's not.

Starhawk
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
A time line? How did he only wipe a time line if your saying he discovered hypertime? which is billions of universe. NOt just time lines. Maybe you shoudl read the kingdom. It was not just about alternate timelines. but vastly different Realities. Whch one is it? did he wipe out one timeline or the hypertime? Cuz your confusing me? He actually wiped more than one timeline out. He wiped out the universe. Please stop trying belittle what he did.

Okay let me dumb it down for you abit. Say you take a peice of paper and draw on it with a pencil. IF I come along and erase it with an eraser, I havent destroyed the paper just wiped out what was on the page.

This is what Parallax did. By discovering Hypertime Parallax learned events can have different outcomes and change. That's what gave him the inspriration for Zero Hour.

Mr Master
Look, we're going off the deep end.


Bottom line:


Abraxas casually floating around while Reality falls apart
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1039/unabraxasmayhem2sh0.th.jpg


Abraxas killing Reed, and every other Reed in the Multi-verse with a GESTURE
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3452/0unabraxaskillsallotherselves8.th.jpg


Abraxas Killed the Guardian of the MULTI-VERSE, with a kiss.
http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/6243/abraxaskillsromaio3.th.jpg



Abraxas COLLAPSING the 616 MULTI-VERSE


Here Reed says,

"our Earth is merging with other Alternates" ...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg


Here Nova says

"creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg


See the word Multi-verse?

Oh yea,

Abraxas 10/10

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
Okay let me dumb it down for you abit. Say you take a peice of paper and draw on it with a pencil. IF I come along and erase it with an eraser, I havent destroyed the paper just wiped out what was on the page.

This is what Parallax did. By discovering Hypertime Parallax learned events can have different outcomes and change. That's what gave him the inspriration for Zero Hour.

Not. Hal destroyed the paper you tard. He lit a fire from both ends of the paper. There was nothing left. I dont know where your getting your info from, becuz on panel, it says he destroyed the UNIVERSE. and as a matter of freaking fact, Damage had to be a big BANG to jump start the UNIVERSE back to the way it was. Did you read zero hour? any way i'm going to bed.

P.S. since when did big bangs only jump start time lines?My bad, they dont', they start universes.

bigbran
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I see your grasping. I want to see anyone with the IG Destroy a universe and make one in it's place. I want to see them control multiple universes at one time. Merging a self made reality is NOT being multiversal. The beyonder was multiversal. he created an entirely differnt universe on his own while yet controling the 616. That is multiversal. Mr. Mxy destroyed the entire DCmultiverse. and it was SHOWN as such. Until someone with the IG does these things, It is NOT multiversal. Hell even Multi-Eternity/INfnity didn't give a shit about the IG. they said, Why do we care about ONE get it ONE part that is part of our whole? The IG wasn't any kind of threat to them. It wasn't multiversal then, and isn't now. I"m going to bed. And i'm sure you will pull scans out of your ass and twist words cuz you just can't stand to be wrong. but you are. GOODNIGHT.
Umm... that was just merged Infinity, and Eternity.
Twas no multi-nothing.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... that was just merged Infinity, and Eternity.
Twas no multi-nothing.

And you mean to tell me thier entire being is being threatened and yet they didn't care? That would make the IG even less than Universal if they didn't give a damn about it. I'm almost sure that was multi-eternity/infinity.

Starhawk
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not. Hal destroyed the paper you tard. He lit a fire from both ends of the paper. There was nothing left. I dont know where your getting your info from, becuz on panel, it says he destroyed the UNIVERSE. and as a matter of freaking fact, Damage had to be a big BANG to jump start the UNIVERSE back to the way it was. Did you read zero hour? any way i'm going to bed.

P.S. since when did big bangs only jump start time lines?My bad, they dont', they start universes.

You really didnt read it did you? The rifts were destroying TIME not the UNIVERSE itself.

They had to focus the big bang through Waverider and Damage. It was a temporal big bang.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I see your grasping.

Dude,

you have earned the title phrase, "most intransigent individual" at kmc.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I want to see anyone with the IG Destroy a universe and make one in it's place. I want to see them control multiple universes at one time. Merging a self made reality is NOT being multiversal.

laughing

Magus created a Universe with 5 CCUs.

Magus MERGED that Universe with the 616 Universe from a Universe separated from both.

Multi-versal FEAT.

And it was an INCOMPLETE IG.

"My TAKEOVER of your ACTUALITY, USING my now missing Cosmic Containment Units, WOULD HAVE TAKEN HOURS to Accomplish"

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8180/myw4.th.jpg

"Other matters have a higher priority now, such as MAKING your UNIVERSE MINE"




Thanos became the Universe with the IG.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4971/godhoodyn7.th.jpg




The Living Tribunal himself had to interfere with Warlock when he had the IG.

The Living Tribunal himself had to first GAUGE the FULL Power of the IG before handling down his verdict:

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/619/ltrulesig37jm.th.jpg



GO READ COMICS!



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The beyonder was multiversal. he created an entirely differnt universe on his own while yet controling the 616. That is multiversal.

That's NOT true, so

GO READ COMICS!


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Mr. Mxy destroyed the entire DCmultiverse. and it was SHOWN as such.

Non Canon.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Until someone with the IG does these things, It is NOT multiversal.

firefirefireph



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Hell even Multi-Eternity/INfnity didn't give a shit about the IG. they said, Why do we care about ONE get it ONE part that is part of our whole? The IG wasn't any kind of threat to them.

More gibbering LIES.

Your quoting an issue, from another story concerning Infinity Crusade,

but nice try.


Even the Living Tribunal, second to TOAA had to give a shit about the IG.


GO READ COMICS!


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It wasn't multiversal then, and isn't now.

Well your clueless as ever, so no one should be surprised by your obtuseness.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m going to bed. And i'm sure you will pull scans out of your ass and twist words cuz you just can't stand to be wrong. but you are. GOODNIGHT.

Dream of gouls tearing that iron skull out of your echoey dome.

Perhaps tomorrow you'll arrive with something of significance to say.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
P.S. every DC fan knows that Alexandor Luther was playing with Billions of universes looking for the perfect earth. and then he started to make his own.

pointandlaugh "Billions of universes"



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
you should read more dc before you keep trying to put it down and make marvel seem so much more powerful when it's not.

stfu2

bigbran
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And you mean to tell me thier entire being is being threatened and yet they didn't care? That would make the IG even less than Universal if they didn't give a damn about it. I'm almost sure that was multi-eternity/infinity. No, because Magus was stupid. As soon as Thanos, or Warlock got it, though, Eternity was begging LT, and hiding.

Maybe it also shows how much of a power difference that incomplete IG, and IG had though, which would make it more than what Mr M has said today...

Ya, Multi-Infinity has never been shown.
Multi-Eternity has been shown in like two comics (maybe more). The Fantastic Four Annual 2001(maybe more of that series, but it's debateable), and the one where the writers got bitched out for making Dormammu beat him.
Both of those were after 2000.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And you mean to tell me thier entire being is being threatened and yet they didn't care? That would make the IG even less than Universal if they didn't give a damn about it. I'm almost sure that was multi-eternity/infinity.

Again,

clueless,

that story has NOTHING to do with the Infinity Gauntlet.


GO READ COMICS!

Mr Master
Originally posted by Starhawk
You really didnt read it did you? The rifts were destroying TIME not the UNIVERSE itself.

They had to focus the big bang through Waverider and Damage. It was a temporal big bang.

He doesn't read anything,

he just throws names around and basically makes up or exaggerates on the events of said gibberish.

Mr Master
Originally posted by bigbran
No, because Magus was stupid. As soon as Thanos, or Warlock got it, though, Eternity was begging LT, and hiding.

Then again, what nvrhadaclue seems to not grasp,

is that Magus had an INCOMPLETE IG.

ANd yet, he handled the Ultimate Nullifier like a child's toy.


Thanos and Warlock had COMPLETE IGs.

LT would have interfered with Thanos, but since he knows the future, he knew Thanos wasn't lying when Thanos told him he only wanted ONE Universe:


In Warlock's case, LT saw that Warlock would not be able to handle the IG, and would become a threat to ALL Reality, so he stepped in and nearly battled him.



Originally posted by bigbran
Maybe it also shows how much of a power difference that incomplete IG, and IG had though, which would make it more than what Mr M has said today...

What more is there to say?

I brought out the major feats and the dude isn't registering the facts.


Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, Multi-Infinity has never been shown.
Multi-Eternity has been shown in like two comics (maybe more). The Fantastic Four Annual 2001(maybe more of that series, but it's debateable), and the one where the writers got bitched out for making Dormammu beat him.
Both of those were after 2000.

The Multi-verse appeared during the Crusade arc aswell, but that has nothing to do with the IG.

bigbran
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Multi-verse appeared during the Crusade arc aswell, but that has nothing to do with the IG. Issue?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Mr Master
He doesn't read anything,

he just throws names around and basically makes up or exaggerates on the events of said gibberish.

And yet, you still haven't shown the IG creating nor destroying not one single universe. All you have shown is the IG do is some really powerful Reality Manipulation. Until it's on panel, The IG is NOT multiversal.

nvrbeenwthagirl
ONe more thing, if all it takes for someone to be multiversal is to control reality of one universe from another, then Mr. mxy most def is. He can control the DCU from the 5th dimension. DS and Highfather can. As their fights affect the DCU all the way from the 4h world. And Superboy prime was retcon punching the DCU from another sealed universe/dimension. TO me, it takes the power to wipe a universe clean and recreate another to be multiversal. Lucifer and Michael Sure as hell can. So what makes anything the Magus or Thanos did on panel so great with the IG that others have not done? Absolutely nothing.

Galan007
Ok, Parallax unarguably did more on pannel then Abraxas... Parallax destroyed ALL of DC and began shaping his own universe in its place.

Reed /w/ the UN stopped Abraxas,
but it took Spectre himself to finally bring down Parallax..

Parallax takes this 10/10

juggernaut66666
Mr Master also missed the fact when Hal said that he might create another Universe (which he didn't did on pannel) but by saying that he gives some kind of "proof" he has the potentional but he just misses the point since he doesn't "act on that".We can play like this since most of your "facts" aren't based on panel only you say that the UN is Multiversal even Marvel says that it just Universal
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Abraxas
There is no on pannel proof to back up that the UN is Multiversal.

Galan007
Originally posted by Mr Master
Intersting,


It's funny that the kid can't even read into what Parallax said.


Just by suggesting,


"I wonder if ONE Universe will be enough"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/4262/3qi1.th.jpg


Conclusively tells us, he's ONLY dealing with ONE Universe.

Whether he had the power to do more is well ... inconsequential since he didn't. That pannel was after Parallax had destroyed ALL of DC. He was talking about creating his own universe to protect. This is when he said;

"Who knows? Maybe one Universe, one world won't be enough."

Those pannels do conclusively tell us that Parallax destroyed ALL of existance in DC, and those pannels conclusively tell us that Parallax was going to shape another universe in its place to protect...

Under his own power Abraxas did nothing on this scale. How can we argue that he would beat Parallax?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
That pannel was after Parallax had destroyed ALL of DC. He was talking about creating his own universe to protect. This is when he said;

"Who knows? Maybe one Universe, one world won't be enough."

Those pannels do conclusively tell us that Parallax destroyed ALL of existance in DC, and those pannels conclusively tell us that Parallax was going to shape another universe in its place to protect...

Under his own power Abraxas did nothing on this scale. How can we argue that he would beat Parallax?

Indeed

Starhawk
Originally posted by Galan007
That pannel was after Parallax had destroyed ALL of DC. He was talking about creating his own universe to protect. This is when he said;

"Who knows? Maybe one Universe, one world won't be enough."

Those pannels do conclusively tell us that Parallax destroyed ALL of existance in DC, and those pannels conclusively tell us that Parallax was going to shape another universe in its place to protect...

Under his own power Abraxas did nothing on this scale. How can we argue that he would beat Parallax?

No he destroyed all of time, the universe was still there, just a blank slate. Thats why people who were protected from time survived. If the Universe had been wiped out temporal protection wouldn't have been enough.

He erased all time, not existance.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
No he destroyed all of time, the universe was still there, just a blank slate. Thats why people who were protected from time survived. If the Universe had been wiped out temporal protection wouldn't have been enough.

He erased all time, not existance.
Without time there is no existense imo.

Edit: Zero Hour also says that he destroyed all existense.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
No he destroyed all of time, the universe was still there, just a blank slate. Thats why people who were protected from time survived. If the Universe had been wiped out temporal protection wouldn't have been enough.

He erased all time, not existance.

NO, had he destroyed only time, IT would not have said UNIVERSE.It would have said he wiped out all time. What part of that is not getting thru your thick skull. Extant was able to wipe out all time. Time was his play thing. And he was nothing compared to Parallax.

Starhawk
Show me one scan from Zero Hour thats say he wiped out EXISTANCE.

Galan007
Originally posted by Starhawk
Show me one scan from Zero Hour thats say he wiped out EXISTANCE. http://img468.imageshack.us/img468/6669/6tj1.th.jpg

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
Show me one scan from Zero Hour thats say he wiped out EXISTANCE.
"I had to erase all existense to build a new and far better reality."
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o97/juggernaut666666/1-35.jpg

Starhawk
I still think he ment to say time, but I concede that point. Still doing that to one timeline drained him. He would never have the power he would need to stop Abraxas.

Galan007
Originally posted by Starhawk
I still think he ment to say time, but I concede that point. Still doing that to one timeline drained him. He would never have the power he would need to stop Abraxas. Yeah, he was totally drained. Thats why just after he wiped out ALL of existance, he began making a brand new universe right? roll eyes (sarcastic)

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
I still think he ment to say time, but I concede that point. Still doing that to one timeline drained him. He would never have the power he would need to stop Abraxas. Maybe because he was fighting Spectre and other heroes while a few other heroes were draining his energy and he was also creating a new Universe that time.

Starhawk
Still I don't see him having enough power to take out a being like Abraxas.

Galan007
Originally posted by Starhawk
Still I don't see him having enough power to take out a being like Abraxas. Ask yourself this....

What did Abraxas do under his own power that was greater then what Parallax did?

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
Still I don't see him having enough power to take out a being like Abraxas.
Oh so fighting the Wrath of God while creating a new Universe while others drain your power and still fighting other heroes is not impressive enough?

Starhawk
How would he take Abraxas out?

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
How would he take Abraxas out? How would Abraxas take him out he is not on Spectre level?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
How would he take Abraxas out?

How about wiping him out.

Starhawk
Isn't Abraxas a multiversal entity?

Galan007
Originally posted by Starhawk
Isn't Abraxas a multiversal entity? well under his own power Abraxas killed most of the Galactus' and all of the Reed's in the Multiverse...

Abraxas didn't even try to fight the resurrected 616 Galactus though

IMO this isn't a greater feat then destroying all of existance and creating another universe in its place, while fighting Spectre...

Starhawk
yes but putting there respective feats aside, Abraxas being a multiversal entity can Parallax really kill him?

Galan007
Originally posted by Starhawk
yes but putting there respective feats aside, Abraxas being a multiversal entity can Parallax really kill him? you dont need to kill someone to beat them...

Abraxas is very powerful, there is no doubt about that.

But feat v.s. feat

Parallax>Abraxas

And what it took/takes to beat Abraxas is really meaningless if we are just comparing feats that the characters themselves have accomplished

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Galan007
you dont need to kill someone to beat them...

Abraxas is very powerful, there is no doubt about that.

But feat v.s. feat

Parallax>Abraxas

And what it took/takes to beat Abraxas is really meaningless if we are just comparing feats that the characters themselves have accomplished

Indeed. to further exand on this, Doomsday was beaten by imperiex where as The omega effect could not. Does this mean that only beings of imperiex power can beat doomsday? or that it takes a multiversal power to beat doomsday becuz Imperiex defeated him? No. It doesnt'. Anymore than it means that someone with less power than the Un couldn't defeat Abraxas. They could. Since The Un is one of those trump all cards.

Starhawk
yeah but Abraxas is Multi-versal and Parallax is Universal. I just don't see HOW he could do it.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
yeah but Abraxas is Multi-versal and Parallax is Universal. I just don't see HOW he could do it.

Parallax is not a universal being. Anyone who can create Multiple Universes is not a universal being. A universal being is someone who resides with in a universal and can take over said reality. Parallax doesn't have to reside in a universe. He can leave it and destroy and make universes at his whim.

Starhawk
He didn't create Multiple Universes, he didn't even finish making one. His power has limits and can wear out.

Galan007
Originally posted by Starhawk
He didn't create Multiple Universes, he didn't even finish making one. His power has limits and can wear out. Did Abraxas do anything remotley close to destroying all of existance, and beginning to recreate a universe in its place?

Yes or No?

Starhawk
It's not a matter of feats, it's a matter of Abraxas being a multiversal being and wether or not Parallax can take him down.

He might not have the type of power needed to do the job.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not a matter of feats, it's a matter of Abraxas being a multiversal being and wether or not Parallax can take him down.

He might not have the type of power needed to do the job.

And when has Abraxas Ever shown he was any where near the Spectre's might, and a bunch of others? cuz that what it takes to stop Parrallax. And that didn't even take him out.

Galan007
Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not a matter of feats, it's a matter of Abraxas being a multiversal being and wether or not Parallax can take him down.

He might not have the type of power needed to do the job. Sure..... roll eyes (sarcastic)

Anyways I'm not gonna keep this up. Its already going to turn into a full-fledged argument, (especially once some "other" people are online), and I really don't want any part of it this time... big grin

Starhawk
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And when has Abraxas Ever shown he was any where near the Spectre's might, and a bunch of others? cuz that what it takes to stop Parrallax. And that didn't even take him out.

No it just drained him dry and then got taken out by an arrow.

There is a limit to his power. And there is nothing to suggest he can beat a Multiversal being.

bigbran
Originally posted by Starhawk
It's not a matter of feats, it's a matter of Abraxas being a multiversal being and wether or not Parallax can take him down.

He might not have the type of power needed to do the job. In all honesty, Phoenix/The Force is multi-versal.
And it is deabteable whether she/it, can beat Galactus.

Just like how people like to debate whether the IG is multi-versal or not to win an arguement. But, it doesn't matter if he is or not, since he just under LT.

How about we call HOTU universal, you see, this doesn't even matter, since he showed power over LT, a multi-versal being, second in Marvel.

Multi-versal means nothing, unless you show that you actually have the power to affect reality as a whole.

Starhawk
Still it's not clear if Parallax's time erasing would be enough to take out Abraxas, Waverider survived and he's less powerful then Abraxas.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
Ok, Parallax unarguably did more on pannel then Abraxas... Parallax destroyed ALL of DC and began shaping his own universe in its place.

Reed /w/ the UN stopped Abraxas,
but it took Spectre himself to finally bring down Parallax..

Parallax takes this 10/10

If Parallax erased all od Dc,

why is he even mentioning whether or not ONE Universe will be enough?


Was he going to create another DC Company aside from recreating DC?


If all Parallax did was destroy ONE Universe, then he can't stop Abraxas, end of story.


Only a power able to erase an Entire Multi-verse can defeat Abraxas.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ONe more thing, if all it takes for someone to be multiversal is to control reality of one universe from another, So what makes anything the Magus or Thanos did on panel so great with the IG that others have not done? Absolutely nothing.

Dude, does your intransigency block you from reading other posts?


How many times did I tell you Magus CONTROLLED TWO UNIVERSES from a UNIVERSE SEPARATED from BOTH, which he also was CONTROLLING.


I'm not responding to you anymore, your a waste of time.

Starhawk
Originally posted by Mr Master
Dude, does your intransigency block you from reading other posts?


How many times did I tell you Magus CONTROLLED TWO UNIVERSES from a UNIVERSE SEPARATED from BOTH, which he also was CONTROLLING.


I'm not responding to you anymore, your a waste of time.

I agree with your postion here 100% but perhaps he might be mroe open to what we say without insulting him.

Mr Master
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Mr Master also missed the fact when Hal said that he might create another Universe (which he didn't did on pannel) but by saying that he gives some kind of "proof" he has the potentional but he just misses the point since he doesn't "act on that".

Play nothing dogs,

If it didn't happen, then it didn't happen.


Hal NEVER said he might create another Universe, nice try.

Hal clearly said,

"who knows? maybe one Universe ...One World, won't be enough"


This is NO way implies he can or was going to create another Universe.


Originally posted by juggernaut66666
We can play like this since most of your "facts" aren't based on panel

What?

Are you losing your mind dogs?

ALL my posts include ON PANEL EVIDENCE... you must be buggin.


Originally posted by juggernaut66666
only you say that the UN is Multiversal even Marvel says that it just Universal
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Abraxas
There is no on pannel proof to back up that the UN is Multiversal.

laughing out loud

Bios vs On Panel PROOF, ok right...



Here Reed says "our Earth is merging with other Alternates"...how can this be...unless the entire Multiverse is misaligned.
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/3020/earthalignment8vq.th.jpg



Here Nova says "creatures of the MULTIVERSE Mixing --- Reality folding onto itself" again this Multiversal misalignment is literally ripping the Multiverse apart.
http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/2111/earthalignment26rx.th.jpg



Finally what does this lead to?


Reed, "In order to REALIGN ALL that is...we had to END ALL that was."
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7392/earthalignment39jd.th.jpg


What was MISALIGNED that NEEDED to be REALIGNED?

The MULTI-VERSE



Reed uses the Ultimate Nullifier to banish Abraxas & Remake the Multiverse
http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg


UN Destroys the Multiverse
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/932/2undestroysmultieternityinfini.th.jpg


UN Remakes the Multiverse in an instant
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/893/3unremakesthemultiverse9jq.th.jpg


Is the UN capable of such a FEAT?


"Should Abraxas reach the NULLIFIER, He CAN OBLITERATE ALL the COMBINED REALITIES of the MULTI-VERSE"
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5568/unismulticv0.th.jpg


You bet your sweet nargas it is.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Starhawk
I agree with your postion here 100% but perhaps he might be mroe open to what we say without insulting him.

Actually he began the insults since page one,

and no matter what he will not be more open, I've dealt with this cat before.

Beyond that,

the term Intransigency means: "unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something"


It's not so much an insult as it is fact.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
That pannel was after Parallax had destroyed ALL of DC. He was talking about creating his own universe to protect. This is when he said;

"Who knows? Maybe one Universe, one world won't be enough."

So all of DC is ONE Universe?

Cool.

And I don't see how him speculating about if ONE Universe will be enough, somehow raises his level to beyond ONE Universe.

Sounds to me like he's saying, this is the best I can do, and maybe it's not enough.


Originally posted by Galan007
Those pannels do conclusively tell us that Parallax destroyed ALL of existance in DC,

ALL of DC, which then must mean ALL is ONE Universe,

this IS NOT enough to even come close to defeating Abraxas.


Originally posted by Galan007
and those pannels conclusively tell us that Parallax was going to shape another universe in its place to protect...

Ok.



Originally posted by Galan007
Under his own power Abraxas did nothing on this scale. How can we argue that he would beat Parallax?

Under his own Power Abraxas was collapsing the MULTI-VERSE.

FAAAAAAAR MORE than One Universe.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
Ask yourself this....

What did Abraxas do under his own power that was greater then what Parallax did?

Abraxas had the the Multi-verse (Multi-Eternity) shaking in his Cosmic pants.

Abraxas was COLLAPSING the Multi-verse.


And the bottom line is:

No matter what, if Parallax can NOT erase a Multi-verse, then Parallax can't defeat him.

Becasue the ONLY way to banish Abraxas is to ERASE the ENTIRE MULTI-VERSE.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
you dont need to kill someone to beat them...

Abraxas is very powerful, there is no doubt about that.

But feat v.s. feat

Parallax>Abraxas

And what it took/takes to beat Abraxas is really meaningless if we are just comparing feats that the characters themselves have accomplished

How is it meaningless, what it takes to beat Abraxas?

If Parallax can't erase a Multi-verse, (which he CAN'T) then he can NOT beat Abraxas.


SO it's very meaningful indeed.

OneDumbG0
So... if the UN can indeed destroy the multiverse... why does the IG able to pwn the UN when it itself is multiversal? It's like two multiversal thingies going at it, and one clearly tops the other. Any reason why? I have my own theories about this, which might be very controversial... btu I'd just wanna hear other people's takes on this.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. It doesnt'. Anymore than it means that someone with less power than the Un couldn't defeat Abraxas. They could. Since The Un is one of those trump all cards.

Clueless as ever ey my boy,



The ONLY way to Banish Abraxas was to Erase and Create a NEW Multi-verse in which Abraxas never manifested in.



Here Roma says it:


"It will be a WEAPON of UNIMAGINABLE POWER that will WIN this DAY"

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/1483/roma1fh6.th.jpg





Here Galactus says it, and Reed realizes this truth:


"But THIS Time, THIS Day can END ONLY ONE WAY"

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2953/u1ok8.th.jpg

Reed says, "Yes.... God help me, I can see that now"





Here when Reed uses the UN, Abaxas and Reed say to each other:


Abraxas says, "Put it down Richards, you have no idea"

http://img343.imageshack.us/img343/6069/1unisusedbyreedtodestroyabraxa.th.jpg

Reed says, "Actually Abraxas I do, You NEVER INTENDED to FIRE the Nullifier for the very same Reason I MUST"



So you see, it's quite clear that Abraxas himself KNEW, the ONLY possible way to get rid of him, (even if he used it himself), was with the Ultimate Nullifier.


Will you PLEASE READ a COMIC BOOK before posting.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Parallax is not a universal being. Anyone who can create Multiple Universes is not a universal being. A universal being is someone who resides with in a universal and can take over said reality. Parallax doesn't have to reside in a universe. He can leave it and destroy and make universes at his whim.

Exaggeration,

Unless you can produce the scan or issue where Parallax creates "multiple" Universes, no one is buying this.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007
Did Abraxas do anything remotley close to destroying all of existance, and beginning to recreate a universe in its place?

Yes or No?

Abraxas doesn't want to create,

Abraxas is the embodiment of DESTRUCTION, he destroys the MULTi-VERSE, that's his purpose.

far more than ONE Universe.

Mr Master
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So... if the UN can indeed destroy the multiverse... why does the IG able to pwn the UN when it itself is multiversal? It's like two multiversal thingies going at it, and one clearly tops the other. Any reason why? I have my own theories about this, which might be very controversial... btu I'd just wanna hear other people's takes on this.

Because the IG is Multiversal on greater level,

simple, effective,

no?

Kutulu
Originally posted by Mr Master
Exaggeration,

Unless you can produce the scan or issue where Parallax creates "multiple" Universes, no one is buying this.

Owned! laughing out loud

Mr Master
Originally posted by bigbran
In all honesty, Phoenix/The Force is multi-versal.
And it is deabteable whether she/it, can beat Galactus.

Phoenix has NEVER performed a Multiversal feat.


The only Multiversal feat the Phoenix Force has under it's belt, was when it projected the Excalibur Tower across the Multi-verse, VIA the Interface Alignment.


This is before the Phoenix even came into the picture:

It clearly says "when a series of interfaces across the Multiverse were aligned, the localized energy fields merged... to Create an Energy Matrix."

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/2029/tower12vr2dv.th.jpg

The Energy fields merge ON THEIR OWN... and the Interfaces across the Mulitverse Align BY THEMSELVES...


AT the MOMENT of ALIGNMENT, THEN Feron called Phoenix to project the Tower",

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1399/tower26ug4lz.th.jpg

a less than monumental feat... considering it was the Energy Matrix (ON IT"S OWN) that allows simultaneous existence in the Multiverse when the Interfaces Across are Aligned, Which Also happens ON it's OWN.....

Phoenix made a duplicate of the original Tower and it simultaneously duplicated itself across the Multi-verse because of the Interface Alingment.


Bottomline: Without the Interface Alignment, this Feat would Never exist.



Normal Galactus takes Phoenix.

Black Celestial arc galactus, curbstomps the Phoenix.

Originally posted by bigbran
Just like how people like to debate whether the IG is multi-versal or not to win an arguement. But, it doesn't matter if he is or not, since he just under LT.

And I wasn't trying to win an argument by proving this dogs,

NVR said the IG wasn't Multiversal, so NVR had to be proven wrong.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Kutulu
Owned! laughing out loud

You can take that BS somewhere else. No one is falling for "his' interpretation of things. He throws around a couple scans, twist things to mean what he wants and all of a sudden he has " owned" someone? Please. He only argues so vehemently for Marvel things. Which shows me that he would twist things to suit his own need to win. He's done it before and no amount of jock holders telling him he's an owner or the master will change my mind about him. Very Condesending, Arrogant, and will change things to look good at the drop of a dime. And if people took more time to read things thoro, question what he was saying, and not just be Drones, they would see it to. Now Take that and own that.

juggernaut66666
Hey Mr Master you forgot that the fight is not in Marvel and only in Marvel they needed to recreate the "multiverse" because of the Galactuses not because he was all powerfull because the only way was to ressurect all the Galactuses to keep Abraxas locked. Here he doesn't need to be locked he just need to be beaten.

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can take that BS somewhere else. No one is falling for "his' interpretation of things. He throws around a couple scans, twist things to mean what he wants and all of a sudden he has " owned" someone? Please. He only argues so vehemently for Marvel things. Which shows me that he would twist things to suit his own need to win. He's done it before and no amount of jock holders telling him he's an owner or the master will change my mind about him. Very Condesending, Arrogant, and will change things to look good at the drop of a dime. And if people took more time to read things thoro, question what he was saying, and not just be Drones, they would see it to. Now Take that and own that.

fighting63

Mr Master
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Hey Mr Master you forgot that the fight is not in Marvel and only in Marvel they needed to recreate the "multiverse" because of the Galactuses not because he was all powerfull because the only way was to ressurect all the Galactuses to keep Abraxas locked. Here he doesn't need to be locked he just need to be beaten.

Hey juggs,

glad to see you understood the UN is a Multiversal destroyer,

on the otherhand,


show me the page in the Arc that says,

"they needed to recreate the multiverse not because he was all powerfull because the only way was to ressurect all the Galactuses to keep Abraxas locked"

And then I'll agree.


Until then, only a power that can erase a Multi-verse will stop Abraxas.



And yet on another hand,

what your basically saying is, if he's not locked away, there's no way to beat him.

Abraxas was COLLAPSING the Multi-verse, you guys have to comprehend that Abraxas is the EMBODIMENT of DESTRUCTION, even the Living Tribunal can't touch him. (which is why he didn't appear)

Because Abraxas is a NATURAL CONCEPT of Reality, and LT CAN'T interfere in the NATURAL LAWS of Reality, just like LT can't destroy Death just because innocents DIE.

That's what the Arc was about, NO ONE can defeat Abraxas except for a power that can ERASE the Multi-verse,

end of story.

leonidas
abraxas was SOMEHOW in the process of ATTEMPTNG to destroy the multiverse. how would he have accomplished the feat? confused who knows? however, no where on panel did he actually destroy a multiverse. never happened. did he even destroy a UNIVERSE anywhere? without on-panel proof, we could as easily say his presence as the embodiment of destruction was destabilizing everything. a far cry from saying he had the outright power to blow-up the multiverse -- or even a UNIVERSE. because no clear explanation was given as to HOW he would end the multiverse, the means by which he accomplished his goal are very much open to speculation and opinion.

if wishes were fishes, the omniverse would be an ocean . . .

and juggs, i tend to agree -- it was important that the multiverse be destroyed and REMADE to correct the "fatal flaw" that had become abraxas. it was the remaking (and how it was remade) that seemed to me to be the relevent issue.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by leonidas
abraxas was SOMEHOW in the process of ATTEMPTNG to destroy the multiverse. how would he have accomplished the feat? confused who knows? however, no where on panel did he actually destroy a multiverse. never happened. did he even destroy a UNIVERSE anywhere? without on-panel proof, we could as easily say his presence as the embodiment of destruction was destabilizing everything. a far cry from saying he had the outright power to blow-up the multiverse -- or even a UNIVERSE. because no clear explanation was given as to HOW he would end the multiverse, the means by which he accomplished his goal are very much open to speculation and opinion.

if wishes were fishes, the omniverse would be an ocean . . .

and juggs, i tend to agree -- it was important that the multiverse be destroyed and REMADE to correct the "fatal flaw" that had become abraxas. it was the remaking (and how it was remade) that seemed to me to be the relevent issue.

And yet MR. Master chooses to say that parrallax never made two universes on panel as a way to dismiss parrallax's power to do so. But he easily excepts abraxas' power and abraxas didn't destroy not ONE universe on panel. Oh the hippocricy. You are correct if wishes were fishes indeed.

juggernaut66666
Oh Btw What the hell is Abraxas going to do to Parallax????
It took the Spectre and many other heroes to beat him while he was creating a new Universe and the other heroes where feeding on his power. Spectre>>>>>Ultimate Nullifier
Parallax wins 10/10

juggernaut66666
Look what I have found eek!
"Parallax attempted to create new worlds and timelines as alternate realities seeped in and out of existense"
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5237/parallaxdh1.th.png

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Look what I have found eek!
"Parallax attempted to create new worlds and timelines as alternate realities seeped in and out of existense"
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/7075/parallaxjd4.png

Check it, he was created multiple universes and he couldnt' control them. But he certainly had the power to control and collapse them. Parrallax for the win.

leonidas
going by strictly on-panel feats i don't see how anyone can say abraxas wins. he did kill alternate galactuses, but the circumstances behind those victories were never revealed. when confronted by 616 g, he was deprived of the UN forcefully (and apparently painfully) and seemed rather . . . surprised by that little stunt. while talking to galactus he says:

"As i killed your other selves throughout the multiverse. Or . . . have you forgotten the ace I still hold up my sleeve?" at this he holds up the UN. almost sounded to me as if he needed the UN to gain an advantage over 616 g. is 616 g special in someway?

absolutley. he was the FIRST galactus. the one upon which all the other 'alternate reality' ones were based. he was also the one who became a "star" at death, while the other galactuses abraxas killed became . . . corpses. perhaps 616 g was more powerful than the others? i don't know. but he WAS special. and he certainly was NOT intimidated by abraxas or did he seem in any way to be less powerful than abraxas.

beyond that, as i said, abraxas did nothing remotely close to destroying a universe, let alone the multiverse. and -- much like the absurd fallacy that abraxas killed "every galactus in the multiverse" -- i don't get where the idea of him being a 'multiversal destroyer' ever came from. reed says quite clearly that IF abraxas gets the UN he could destroy the multiverse, and abraxas himself says that "WITH the UN in his hands there is not a soul in the combined universes" that can stop him.

on top of all this, (yes, it's not 'on-panel' . . . but a lot of claims being made 'round here aren't 'on-panel' either . . .) the letter column in FF 46 refers to abraxas as a "threat of galactus-level proportions."

i suppose it's easy to say that ONLY a multiverse-destroying attack can stop him, because that's all we saw. but the goal of resetting everything was to put things back, to fix things that had become "unhinged". after all, it wasn't abraxas who "unhinged" the multiverse. in roma's own words:

"Into each reality eternity made certain there was a galactus to keep abraxas in check. until THIS reality's galactus died. And the doors of the multiverse became unhinged."

it wasn't abraxas who was responsible for the mess the multiverse was in -- it was the death of 616 galactus.

Mr Master
Originally posted by leonidas
abraxas was SOMEHOW in the process of ATTEMPTNG to destroy the multiverse.

Correct.


Originally posted by leonidas
how would he have accomplished the feat? who knows?

By continuing to collapse it.



Originally posted by leonidas
however, no where on panel did he actually destroy a multiverse. never happened. did he even destroy a UNIVERSE anywhere?

No one said he did.


Originally posted by leonidas
without on-panel proof, we could as easily say his presence as the embodiment of destruction was destabilizing everything. a far cry from saying he had the outright power to blow-up the multiverse -- or even a UNIVERSE.

Again,

I don't know who your addressing, but if it's me, review my posts carefully before replying to them indirectly.

I NEVER SAID ABRAXAS DESTROYED the MULTI-VERSE or the UNIVERSE!



Originally posted by leonidas
because no clear explanation was given as to HOW he would end the multiverse, the means by which he accomplished his goal are very much open to speculation and opinion.

No speculations or opinions are needed,

he was COLLAPSING the MULTI-VERSE, that's WHAT I SAID, that's WHAT he was DOING.


Originally posted by leonidas
if wishes were fishes, the omniverse would be an ocean . . .

dontgetit

Oh, it's sarcasm...

Originally posted by leonidas
and juggs, i tend to agree -- it was important that the multiverse be destroyed and REMADE to correct the "fatal flaw" that had become abraxas. it was the remaking (and how it was remade) that seemed to me to be the relevent issue.

As soon as you show us where it says that ON PANEL,

we'll agree with juggs and your OPINION.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Oh Btw What the hell is Abraxas going to do to Parallax????
It took the Spectre and many other heroes to beat him while he was creating a new Universe and the other heroes where feeding on his power. Spectre>>>>>Ultimate Nullifier
Parallax wins 10/10 Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Look what I have found eek!
"Parallax attempted to create new worlds and timelines as alternate realities seeped in and out of existense"
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5237/parallaxdh1.th.png

Mr Master
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And yet MR. Master chooses to say that parrallax never made two universes on panel as a way to dismiss parrallax's power to do so.

And I'll say it AGIAN,

I have NOT seen Parallax create TWO Universes On Panel,

if anyone presents the scans, I'll gladly concede.


The scans that were posted as proof of Parallax's power, was his destroying ONE Universe and RE-CREATING that SAME Universe.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
But he easily excepts abraxas' power and abraxas didn't destroy not ONE universe on panel.

On Panel it took ERASING the MUlti-verse to stop Abraxas, period.



Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Oh the hippocricy.


Oh the cluelessness.


Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are correct if wishes were fishes indeed.

Please, you claim people hold my jock strap,

don't twiddle Leon's nuts, it may be your thing but I don't think he swings that way.

Mr Master
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Oh Btw What the hell is Abraxas going to do to Parallax????
It took the Spectre and many other heroes to beat him while he was creating a new Universe and the other heroes where feeding on his power. Spectre>>>>>Ultimate Nullifier
Parallax wins 10/10

And what is Parallax going to do to Abraxas?

Abraxas 10/10

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Mr Master
And what is Parallax going to do to Abraxas?

Abraxas 10/10
Abraxas doesn't have any feats to put him on Spectre's level so he can't beat Parallax.

Mr Master
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Look what I have found eek!
"Parallax attempted to create new worlds and timelines as alternate realities seeped in and out of existense"
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5237/parallaxdh1.th.png

Yea,

that's just a side-effect of what he did, not him ACTUALLY doing it.


Wanda's Chaos Wave took on a life of it's own and it was on it's way to FOLDING the Omni-verse,

it was a BY-PRODUCT of her REMAKING the 616 Universe,

would I say that Wanda can destroy the Omni-verse because of this?

Of course not.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea,

that's just a side-effect of what he did, not him ACTUALLY doing it.


Wanda's Chaos Wave took on a life of it's own and it was on it's way to FOLDING the Omni-verse,

it was a BY-PRODUCT of her REMAKING the 616 Universe,

would I say that Wanda can destroy the Omni-verse because of this?

Of course not.
So?? He can do it again bacause he has the power to do so and the "side effects" of the Entropy rift will handle Abraxas.

juggernaut66666
Going by feats Parallax takes this
Otherwise it is a stalemate or Parallax wins by causing another Entropy rift which side effects will do the job.

leonidas
actually it wasn't just you i was replying to, hence the reason i didn't quote you. it wasn't because i'm shy . . .

however, since you did quote me . . . Originally posted by Mr Master
By continuing to collapse it.

the collapse had already begun and he had nothing to do with its beginning. where exactly in the arc did it say that abraxas was going to 'continue collapsing it'?



you're correct in assuming you did not (at least i don't believe you did . . .) say that. that was addressed to someone else from a different thread. if i could remember where i would find it and quote it . . .



paranoia? confused if i was accusing you, don't you know by now that i would be directing it AT you?



where does it say that anywhere in the arc?



reed himself hinted at it in your own oft-quoted line: "In order to realign all that is, we needed to end all that was."

imo, killing abraxas would not have been enough to stop the catastrophe happening to the multiverse. after all, abraxas didn't start the mess, why would killing him alone end it? there is also the part he plays in eternity, his role to account for. the only real solution to what was happening was realignment, and the only way to do that was to reset things. resetting also obviously ensured that abraxas was locked up because all the galactuses were brought back.

abraxas did NOT cause the collapse of the multiverse, 616's galactus's death did, nor (that i saw in the arc) did he even aid the collpase as you said -- though if you can show me a scan to prove your opinion is true, i'll be more than happy to agree. re-reading the arc in fact, i found myself wondering just what the hell abraxas WAS doing?

juggs and i may not have conclusive proof that our OPINIONS are correct, but what i do have i feel all right with. again, it's pretty easy to say it took a multiversal level blast to . . . lock him back up because that's the only thing we've seen happen. the damage that was done though (and its cause) went beyond abraxas, and so a solution that addressed everything was required.

Mr Master
Originally posted by leonidas
going by strictly on-panel feats i don't see how anyone can say abraxas wins.

Simply,

if you can't erase a Multi-verse, then ...you can't defeat him.


Originally posted by leonidas
he did kill alternate galactuses, but the circumstances behind those victories were never revealed.

No need, we know Abraxas does NOT use weapons or power sources, so he did it under his own power.


Originally posted by leonidas
when confronted by 616 g, he was deprived of the UN forcefully (and apparently painfully)

Painfully?

laughing out loud


Not forcefully AT ALL, Galactus WILLED out of Abraxas's hands, because the UN is an Apsect or PART of Galactus:

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/6307/unaspectofbiggpu2.th.jpg



Originally posted by leonidas
and seemed rather . . . surprised by that little stunt.

Now you got the story straight.


Originally posted by leonidas
while talking to galactus he says:

"As i killed your other selves throughout the multiverse. Or . . . have you forgotten the ace I still hold up my sleeve?" at this he holds up the UN. almost sounded to me as if he needed the UN to gain an advantage over 616 g.

Unsurprising SPECULATION,

NEVER in that issue is it even hinted, that Abraxas NEEDED ANYTHING to defeat 616 G,

I can't believe you said that.


He held up the UN to show Big G, if I killed your other selves with my bare POWER, imagine now that I have the UN.


Originally posted by leonidas
is 616 g special in someway?
absolutley. he was the FIRST galactus. the one upon which all the other 'alternate reality' ones were based. he was also the one who became a "star" at death, while the other galactuses abraxas killed became . . . corpses.

This is meaningless.


Originally posted by leonidas
perhaps 616 g was more powerful than the others?

More SPECULATION.


Originally posted by leonidas
i don't know.

I do.


Originally posted by leonidas
but he WAS special.

I agree.


Originally posted by leonidas
and he certainly was NOT intimidated by abraxas or did he seem in any way to be less powerful than abraxas.

Of course he wasn't intimated, the UN was right infront of him, the ONE and ONLY thing that was able to banish Abraxas, Galactus KNEW it, just like Galactus KNEW he could WILL it out of Abraxas's hands like nothing, since it's a PART OF HIM.


Originally posted by leonidas
beyond that, as i said, abraxas did nothing remotely close to destroying a universe, let alone the multiverse.

Again?


Originally posted by leonidas
and -- much like the absurd fallacy that abraxas killed "every galactus in the multiverse" --

Your still hanging on to that statement that was made like half a year ago?

Jeez, your agenda is rising,

I gave you the credit many months ago on bringing that to light, let's proceed forward already.


Originally posted by leonidas
i don't get where the idea of him being a 'multiversal destroyer' ever came from.

Uhh,

from several Fantastic Four issues, namely the Abraxas ARC...



Originally posted by leonidas
reed says quite clearly that IF abraxas gets the UN he could destroy the multiverse, and abraxas himself says that "WITH the UN in his hands there is not a soul in the combined universes" that can stop him.

And?


Originally posted by leonidas
on top of all this, (yes, it's not 'on-panel' . . . but a lot of claims being made 'round here aren't 'on-panel' either . . .)

Like WHAT?



Originally posted by leonidas
the letter column in FF 46 refers to abraxas as a "threat of galactus-level proportions."

That's NO letter column,

nice try.


That's a bulletin on the BACK of the issue, WHO knows who wrote that RUBBISH.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2456/jokeeh2yl2.th.jpg


"threat of galactus-level proportions."

And yet:

MULTI-ETERNITY himself is quaking in FEAR of Abraxas:

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7421/multieternity16do.th.jpg


"What was revealed to me through the Cosmic Entity known as ETERNITY"

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/5025/etuh4.th.jpg


"Was a Being like NO OTHER I have EVER encountered, his name is ABRAXAS, and to say HE (MULTI-ETERNITY) had nothing to FEAR in our discovery is an UNDERSTATEMENT"

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/267/a2rq5.th.jpg


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!


Originally posted by leonidas
i suppose it's easy to say that ONLY a multiverse-destroying attack can stop him, because that's all we saw. but the goal of resetting everything was to put things back, to fix things that had become "unhinged". after all, it wasn't abraxas who "unhinged" the multiverse. in roma's own words:

"Into each reality eternity made certain there was a galactus to keep abraxas in check. until THIS reality's galactus died. And the doors of the multiverse became unhinged."

it wasn't abraxas who was responsible for the mess the multiverse was in -- it was the death of 616 galactus.

WRONG!!!

Galactus's death unhinged the doors to the Multi-verse releasing the MUTLIVERSAL DESTROYER known as ABRAXAS the Embodiment of MULTIVERSAL DESTRUCTION!

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/8577/afx1.th.jpg

Mr Master
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Going by feats Parallax takes this
Otherwise it is a stalemate or Parallax wins by causing another Entropy rift which side effects will do the job.

But the Entropy rift didn't take out the Multi-verse, it doesn't say exactly how many Timelines when berzerk.


Actually,

I was leaning towards a stalemate my self, cause I figured, perhaps netiher of them can hurt each other.


You need to wipe out the Multi-verse to stop Abraxas.

But Parallax destroyed a Universe, clearly Abraxas didn't do that.


So I say it's a stalemate.

leonidas
Originally posted by Mr Master
No need, we know Abraxas does NOT use weapons or power sources, so he did it under his own power.

really? he had a part of the watcher's talisman, at least. i have no idea why. you're the cosmic guy. why DID he take it?



i'm afraid the only thing funny is your creative cropping abilities. again . . .

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1296/ab1cb1.th.jpg

sure g willed it from his hand. and as the scan shows, abraxas clearly enjoyed the moment . . .

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4637/ab2zv8.th.jpg

laughing



whew . . .



this from the guy who says that when an eternity m-body leaves a universe, it takes ALL of the universe with it because it IS the 'whole' universe, that warlock confronted multi-eternity and that thanos clearly destroyed the multiverse. roll eyes (sarcastic)

1. where exactly in the end does it say that thanos destroyed the multiverse again?

2. where does it say multi-eternity in that warlock issue?

ohhh, you're speculating, you say? using outside the book resources and trying to draw inferences? so . . . it's all right if you do it, but what, no one else can . . .?



really? then why does he have to tell g that he has an ACE up his sleeve?





or did i miss where that was actually said in the arc . . .? i did see the part where g told abraxas he was nothing. i know, i know, galactus was using hyperbole . . . of course he was . . .





galactus had no intention of using the UN. why not, exactly? you have repeatedly said that he has the ultimate control -- he could certainly have used it to focus on abraxas, no? or he could himself have used it to wipe out everything. why not on just abraxas? imo because that would have done nothing. abraxas was a symptom, NOT the problem. the multiverse was unhinged by g's death. because of thatdeath, abraxas was freed.



laughing that was you?? you won't believe me, but i actually didn't know/remember it was you who started that . . .



sticking to the topic at hand let's start with this:



care to show anyone WHERE this was shown OR been stated to have happened in the arc . . .?



What the f**k?

first, it was in the letter col. yeah, it's a bulletin, so . . .? . . . just who do you THINK wrote it? it's an editor's bulletin. what the hell, you think they just let some guy off the street walk up and write a summary of the story and they stuck it in the letter col?



let's add this one to the list:



could you show all of us the part where multi-eternity is quaking in fear? or a part that tells us he is afraid at all . . .?



nice scan showing reed talked to abraxas. and . . . confused



What the f**k?

"HE" referred to abraxas. reed had found out about him, and was saying it didn't matter. abraxas thought he knew the knowledge wouldn't help them.



it is sorta funny that you constantly deride others for not showing on-panel feats and exaggerating or lying then you tell us multi-eternity is 'quaking' in fear (and show a SCAN as it it somehow proves your point!) then you tell everyone abraxas is collapsing the multiverse (something else never shown or stated to have happened) and then say g didn't even manage to hurt him at all and show a cropped scan that by-passes the panel that has him screaming!

the hell am i saying -- in retrospect it IS damn funny!!



mm, i seriously can't believe you posted that last scan. the same one i quoted, then said:



now in your scan, it says:

"Until this reality's galactus died. And the doors to the multiverse became unhinged."

in your own QUOTE with your own SCAN you said exactly what i said (well . . . except for the part where you added your own text to the scene, something you would crucify someone for) -- GALACTUS'S DEATH UNHINGED THE DOORS TO THE MULTIVERSE!

was abraxas released? of course. but the multiverse was ALREADY unhinged, set out of whack by galactus's death. how much more clearly does a being with omniversal knowledge have to state things??

please, somewhere, SHOW me -- show all of us -- where it says abraxas is a multiversal destroyer!! reed says that if abraxas gets the UN he could destroy the multiverse, abraxas HIMSELF says once he HAS the UN no soul in the universes could stop him. what does that imply? it implies someone could PREVIOUSLY have had the power to stop him. or shall you dismiss it has 'crappy writing' once again?

do you or do you not have on-panel evidence (that does NOT rely on your interpretation of the story or your OWN speculation) that says abraxas is a mutliversal destroyer??

leonidas
Originally posted by Mr Master
So I say it's a stalemate.

now THAT i can live with. that's a FAR cry from 10/10 abraxas. we can end this right here if you like.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by leonidas
really? he had a part of the watcher's talisman, at least. i have no idea why. you're the cosmic guy. why DID he take it?



i'm afraid the only thing funny is your creative cropping abilities. again . . .

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1296/ab1cb1.th.jpg

sure g willed it from his hand. and as the scan shows, abraxas clearly enjoyed the moment . . .

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4637/ab2zv8.th.jpg

laughing



whew . . .



this from the guy who says that when an eternity m-body leaves a universe, it takes ALL of the universe with it because it IS the 'whole' universe, that warlock confronted multi-eternity and that thanos clearly destroyed the multiverse. roll eyes (sarcastic)

1. where exactly in the end does it say that thanos destroyed the multiverse again?

2. where does it say multi-eternity in that warlock issue?

ohhh, you're speculating, you say? using outside the book resources and trying to draw inferences? so . . . it's all right if you do it, but what, no one else can . . .?



really? then why does he have to tell g that he has an ACE up his sleeve?





or did i miss where that was actually said in the arc . . .? i did see the part where g told abraxas he was nothing. i know, i know, galactus was using hyperbole . . . of course he was . . .





galactus had no intention of using the UN. why not, exactly? you have repeatedly said that he has the ultimate control -- he could certainly have used it to focus on abraxas, no? or he could himself have used it to wipe out everything. why not on just abraxas? imo because that would have done nothing. abraxas was a symptom, NOT the problem. the multiverse was unhinged by g's death. because of thatdeath, abraxas was freed.



laughing that was you?? you won't believe me, but i actually didn't know/remember it was you who started that . . .



sticking to the topic at hand let's start with this:



care to show anyone WHERE this was shown OR been stated to have happened in the arc . . .?



What the f**k?

first, it was in the letter col. yeah, it's a bulletin, so . . .? . . . just who do you THINK wrote it? it's an editor's bulletin. what the hell, you think they just let some guy off the street walk up and write a summary of the story and they stuck it in the letter col?



let's add this one to the list:



could you show all of us the part where multi-eternity is quaking in fear? or a part that tells us he is afraid at all . . .?



nice scan showing reed talked to abraxas. and . . . confused



What the f**k?

"HE" referred to abraxas. reed had found out about him, and was saying it didn't matter. abraxas thought he knew the knowledge wouldn't help them.



it is sorta funny that you constantly deride others for not showing on-panel feats and exaggerating or lying then you tell us multi-eternity is 'quaking' in fear (and show a SCAN as it it somehow proves your point!) then you tell everyone abraxas is collapsing the multiverse (something else never shown or stated to have happened) and then say g didn't even manage to hurt him at all and show a cropped scan that by-passes the panel that has him screaming!

the hell am i saying -- in retrospect it IS damn funny!!



mm, i seriously can't believe you posted that last scan. the same one i quoted, then said:



now in your scan, it says:

"Until this reality's galactus died. And the doors to the multiverse became unhinged."

in your own QUOTE with your own SCAN you said exactly what i said (well . . . except for the part where you added your own text to the scene, something you would crucify someone for) -- GALACTUS'S DEATH UNHINGED THE DOORS TO THE MULTIVERSE!

was abraxas released? of course. but the multiverse was ALREADY unhinged, set out of whack by galactus's death. how much more clearly does a being with omniversal knowledge have to state things??

please, somewhere, SHOW me -- show all of us -- where it says abraxas is a multiversal destroyer!! reed says that if abraxas gets the UN he could destroy the multiverse, abraxas HIMSELF says once he HAS the UN no soul in the universes could stop him. what does that imply? it implies someone could PREVIOUSLY have had the power to stop him. or shall you dismiss it has 'crappy writing' once again?

do you or do you not have on-panel evidence (that does NOT rely on your interpretation of the story or your OWN speculation) that says abraxas is a mutliversal destroyer??

Wow I love you. You pointed out what I been saying all along. He's a sham. You got OWNED Mr. Master.

Starhawk
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
So?? He can do it again bacause he has the power to do so and the "side effects" of the Entropy rift will handle Abraxas.

He couldn't do it again, it took all his power to do it once.

manorastroman
Originally posted by leonidas
really? he had a part of the watcher's talisman, at least. i have no idea why. you're the cosmic guy. why DID he take it?



i'm afraid the only thing funny is your creative cropping abilities. again . . .

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1296/ab1cb1.th.jpg

sure g willed it from his hand. and as the scan shows, abraxas clearly enjoyed the moment . . .

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4637/ab2zv8.th.jpg

laughing



whew . . .



this from the guy who says that when an eternity m-body leaves a universe, it takes ALL of the universe with it because it IS the 'whole' universe, that warlock confronted multi-eternity and that thanos clearly destroyed the multiverse. roll eyes (sarcastic)

1. where exactly in the end does it say that thanos destroyed the multiverse again?

2. where does it say multi-eternity in that warlock issue?

ohhh, you're speculating, you say? using outside the book resources and trying to draw inferences? so . . . it's all right if you do it, but what, no one else can . . .?



really? then why does he have to tell g that he has an ACE up his sleeve?





or did i miss where that was actually said in the arc . . .? i did see the part where g told abraxas he was nothing. i know, i know, galactus was using hyperbole . . . of course he was . . .





galactus had no intention of using the UN. why not, exactly? you have repeatedly said that he has the ultimate control -- he could certainly have used it to focus on abraxas, no? or he could himself have used it to wipe out everything. why not on just abraxas? imo because that would have done nothing. abraxas was a symptom, NOT the problem. the multiverse was unhinged by g's death. because of thatdeath, abraxas was freed.



laughing that was you?? you won't believe me, but i actually didn't know/remember it was you who started that . . .



sticking to the topic at hand let's start with this:



care to show anyone WHERE this was shown OR been stated to have happened in the arc . . .?



What the f**k?

first, it was in the letter col. yeah, it's a bulletin, so . . .? . . . just who do you THINK wrote it? it's an editor's bulletin. what the hell, you think they just let some guy off the street walk up and write a summary of the story and they stuck it in the letter col?



let's add this one to the list:



could you show all of us the part where multi-eternity is quaking in fear? or a part that tells us he is afraid at all . . .?



nice scan showing reed talked to abraxas. and . . . confused



What the f**k?

"HE" referred to abraxas. reed had found out about him, and was saying it didn't matter. abraxas thought he knew the knowledge wouldn't help them.



it is sorta funny that you constantly deride others for not showing on-panel feats and exaggerating or lying then you tell us multi-eternity is 'quaking' in fear (and show a SCAN as it it somehow proves your point!) then you tell everyone abraxas is collapsing the multiverse (something else never shown or stated to have happened) and then say g didn't even manage to hurt him at all and show a cropped scan that by-passes the panel that has him screaming!

the hell am i saying -- in retrospect it IS damn funny!!



mm, i seriously can't believe you posted that last scan. the same one i quoted, then said:



now in your scan, it says:

"Until this reality's galactus died. And the doors to the multiverse became unhinged."

in your own QUOTE with your own SCAN you said exactly what i said (well . . . except for the part where you added your own text to the scene, something you would crucify someone for) -- GALACTUS'S DEATH UNHINGED THE DOORS TO THE MULTIVERSE!

was abraxas released? of course. but the multiverse was ALREADY unhinged, set out of whack by galactus's death. how much more clearly does a being with omniversal knowledge have to state things??

please, somewhere, SHOW me -- show all of us -- where it says abraxas is a multiversal destroyer!! reed says that if abraxas gets the UN he could destroy the multiverse, abraxas HIMSELF says once he HAS the UN no soul in the universes could stop him. what does that imply? it implies someone could PREVIOUSLY have had the power to stop him. or shall you dismiss it has 'crappy writing' once again?

do you or do you not have on-panel evidence (that does NOT rely on your interpretation of the story or your OWN speculation) that says abraxas is a mutliversal destroyer??


Happy Dance

there are certain members you don't screw around with, and leo is certainly one of them.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
He couldn't do it again, it took all his power to do it once.
What the hell are you talking about????
He did it easily. Show me a scan where he say it took all his power to do it.

Supreme being
Originally posted by leonidas
really? he had a part of the watcher's talisman, at least. i have no idea why. you're the cosmic guy. why DID he take it?



i'm afraid the only thing funny is your creative cropping abilities. again . . .

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/1296/ab1cb1.th.jpg

sure g willed it from his hand. and as the scan shows, abraxas clearly enjoyed the moment . . .

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/4637/ab2zv8.th.jpg

laughing



whew . . .



this from the guy who says that when an eternity m-body leaves a universe, it takes ALL of the universe with it because it IS the 'whole' universe, that warlock confronted multi-eternity and that thanos clearly destroyed the multiverse. roll eyes (sarcastic)

1. where exactly in the end does it say that thanos destroyed the multiverse again?

2. where does it say multi-eternity in that warlock issue?

ohhh, you're speculating, you say? using outside the book resources and trying to draw inferences? so . . . it's all right if you do it, but what, no one else can . . .?



really? then why does he have to tell g that he has an ACE up his sleeve?





or did i miss where that was actually said in the arc . . .? i did see the part where g told abraxas he was nothing. i know, i know, galactus was using hyperbole . . . of course he was . . .





galactus had no intention of using the UN. why not, exactly? you have repeatedly said that he has the ultimate control -- he could certainly have used it to focus on abraxas, no? or he could himself have used it to wipe out everything. why not on just abraxas? imo because that would have done nothing. abraxas was a symptom, NOT the problem. the multiverse was unhinged by g's death. because of thatdeath, abraxas was freed.



laughing that was you?? you won't believe me, but i actually didn't know/remember it was you who started that . . .



sticking to the topic at hand let's start with this:



care to show anyone WHERE this was shown OR been stated to have happened in the arc . . .?



What the f**k?

first, it was in the letter col. yeah, it's a bulletin, so . . .? . . . just who do you THINK wrote it? it's an editor's bulletin. what the hell, you think they just let some guy off the street walk up and write a summary of the story and they stuck it in the letter col?



let's add this one to the list:



could you show all of us the part where multi-eternity is quaking in fear? or a part that tells us he is afraid at all . . .?



nice scan showing reed talked to abraxas. and . . . confused



What the f**k?

"HE" referred to abraxas. reed had found out about him, and was saying it didn't matter. abraxas thought he knew the knowledge wouldn't help them.



it is sorta funny that you constantly deride others for not showing on-panel feats and exaggerating or lying then you tell us multi-eternity is 'quaking' in fear (and show a SCAN as it it somehow proves your point!) then you tell everyone abraxas is collapsing the multiverse (something else never shown or stated to have happened) and then say g didn't even manage to hurt him at all and show a cropped scan that by-passes the panel that has him screaming!

the hell am i saying -- in retrospect it IS damn funny!!



mm, i seriously can't believe you posted that last scan. the same one i quoted, then said:



now in your scan, it says:

"Until this reality's galactus died. And the doors to the multiverse became unhinged."

in your own QUOTE with your own SCAN you said exactly what i said (well . . . except for the part where you added your own text to the scene, something you would crucify someone for) -- GALACTUS'S DEATH UNHINGED THE DOORS TO THE MULTIVERSE!

was abraxas released? of course. but the multiverse was ALREADY unhinged, set out of whack by galactus's death. how much more clearly does a being with omniversal knowledge have to state things??

please, somewhere, SHOW me -- show all of us -- where it says abraxas is a multiversal destroyer!! reed says that if abraxas gets the UN he could destroy the multiverse, abraxas HIMSELF says once he HAS the UN no soul in the universes could stop him. what does that imply? it implies someone could PREVIOUSLY have had the power to stop him. or shall you dismiss it has 'crappy writing' once again?

do you or do you not have on-panel evidence (that does NOT rely on your interpretation of the story or your OWN speculation) that says abraxas is a mutliversal destroyer??

Somebodys smokin' Happy Dance

And I Say Parallax wins he has more on panel feats and at times of desperation thats the card certain members seem to pull out.

Starhawk
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
What the hell are you talking about????
He did it easily. Show me a scan where he say it took all his power to do it.

Read Zero Hour #0, at the end of it he was almost completely drained, I think its Waverider who says it. But in Green Lantern #0, which takes place just after they land on Oa and he has almost no power left.

And it's not always a matter of feats. Eclipso has many more impressive feats then Dr Light. But Dr Light can beat him easily because of the type of power he has.

Parallax can create rifts that erase time, but you haven't proven that Abraxas can be destroyed by Entropy.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
Read Zero Hour #0, at the end of it he was almost completely drained, I think its Waverider who says it. But in Green Lantern #0, which takes place just after they land on Oa and he has almost no power left.

And it's not always a matter of feats. Eclipso has many more impressive feats then Dr Light. But Dr Light can beat him easily because of the type of power he has.

Parallax can create rifts that erase time, but you haven't proven that Abraxas can be destroyed by Entropy.
What are you talking about?????
It was Kyle who said it beacause the others were leeching on Parallax's power while he was fighting Spectre it wasn't the Entropy rift which drained him it was the fight.

Neither have you proven that it won't destroy him

Starhawk
Ill leave that to the other guy but when were they 'leeching' off of him? I'd like to see a scan of that.

If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
Ill leave that to the other guy but when were they 'leeching' off of him? I'd like to see a scan of that.

If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved.
The Entropy rift destroyed all time and all reality not just time.

Starhawk
No it erased time. And you didn't address anything else I brang up.

juggernaut66666
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/juggernaut66666/1-1.jpg

manorastroman
you're both right. by destroying time he was effectively destroying reality, seeing as existance (as we perceive) cannot exist without time.

Starhawk
Originally posted by Starhawk
Ill leave that to the other guy but when were they 'leeching' off of him? I'd like to see a scan of that.

If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved.

And addressing these points?

juggernaut66666
http://img246.imageshack.us/my.php?image=16hd6.jpg

Starhawk
Nice try, they were abosrbing the Universe he was trying to create, not leeching off of him. So they absorbed the universe he wanted to create and he didn't have the power to do it a second time.

If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
Nice try, they were abosrbing the Universe he was trying to create, not leeching off of him. So they absorbed the universe he wanted to create and he didn't have the power to do it a second time.

If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved.
Please just shut the **** up and read Zero Hour .

manorastroman
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Please just shut the **** up and read Zero Hour .

i'd hate to back up david_richards/ext@nt, but he's kinda got you on the absorbing thing.

Starhawk
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Please just shut the **** up and read Zero Hour .

I have, he created one universe, they absorbed it and he didn't have the power to do it again.

and there's still:

"If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved."

juggernaut66666
"It is working we are absorbing most of Parallax's energy"
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a366/juggernaut66666/1-2.jpg

manorastroman
they're absorbing the energy he already expended to make the plasma universe.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by manorastroman
they're absorbing the energy he already expended to make the plasma universe.
He was still making the Universe...

Starhawk
They were reffering to the earlier comment about absorbing the energy of the newborn universe he was trying to create.

He still did't have the power to pull the trick more then once. Even after Zero Hour, he never had the power for a second try.

"If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved."

You still haven't addressed this point, so I assume you agree?

manorastroman
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
He was still making the Universe...
that's true. reading

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Starhawk
They were reffering to the earlier comment about absorbing the energy of the newborn universe he was trying to create.

He still did't have the power to pull the trick more then once. Even after Zero Hour, he never had the power for a second try.

"If if we have no proof if Entropy CAN destroy Abraxas, then it's an open question which cannot be resolved."

You still haven't addressed this point, so I assume you agree?
Abraxas can't beat him cause he is not on Spectre level.
The side effects of the Entropy rift were Multiversal but we don't know if it effected the whole Multiverse or not but there is no proof that only the UN can handle Abraxas (Imo it had)
So it is possibly a stalemate.

Starhawk
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Abraxas can't beat him cause he is not on Spectre level.
The side effects of the Entropy rift were Multiversal but we don't know if it effected the whole Multiverse or not but there is no proof that only the UN can handle Abraxas (Imo it had)
So it is possibly a stalemate.

I never said Abraxas could beat him, And no the Entropy rifts erased the standard DC Universe that's all.

And as for the UN, as far as we know it doesn't work on Entropy.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Look what I have found eek!
"Parallax attempted to create new worlds and timelines as alternate realities seeped in and out of existense"
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5237/parallaxdh1.th.png

Starhawk
New worlds (still in ONE universe)

new timelines (Also still within ONE universe)

nice try.

Ichigo66666
David_Richards? Is that you?

Parallax takes this one folks.

Starhawk
Originally posted by Ichigo66666
David_Richards? Is that you?

Parallax takes this one folks.

No, and you haven't addressed anything that's been brought up. Even Jugs has said it's a stalemate at best.

Lord Urizen
Abraxis wins

Starhawk
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Abraxis wins

How does he win?

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