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Captian Cold, Mr. Freeze, & Iceman are in a three way battle. Who wins out of these three? they have 3 days prep, & this takes place in antartica.

Iceman.

What are the others gonna do? Freeze him? .

What he said

Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
Captian Cold, Mr. Freeze, & Iceman are in a three way battle. Who wins out of these three? they have 3 days prep, & this takes place in antartica.
Leave my forum.

Originally posted by Soljer
Iceman.

What are the others gonna do? Freeze him? . Originally posted by Blair Wind


What he said

Ditto.

Well can Iceman move at absolute zero as well?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Well can Iceman move at absolute zero as well?

Iceman is just a consciousness. No 'matter' what so ever. He could just move throughout the ice around him (with the other combatants, plus antarctica? No problem).

Whilst he moves about random ice/water particles, he simply moisture inverts his opponents, or sucks the water out of their body, or etc.

If Cold freezes the entire area to absolute zero what could he do? I'm serious, this is a more of a question not a statement

There is no movement at absolute zero, that's why Cold could deal with the Flash.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
If Cold freezes the entire area to absolute zero what could he do? I'm serious, this is a more of a question not a statement

There is no movement at absolute zero, that's why Cold could deal with the Flash.

Iceman need not move. His consciousness has NO MASS. It can freely move from any water molecule to any other, and he can still moisture invert Cold.

His councious ideally would be traped, as if the particles are in absolute zero their not moving...at all

Very well could

Originally posted by King_Mungi
His councious ideally would be traped, as if the particles are in absolute zero their not moving...at all

Very well could

A consciousness has no mass, Mungi.


What aren't you understanding? His consciousness doesn't need to actually PHYSICALLY move. He can simply 'think' about how to use his power, and use it. He could (more or less) teleport to any piece of ice or drop of water in the surrounds, and he could even raise the temperature of the surrounding ice to ABOVE absolute zero, if he so desired (he's melted ice before....).

Iceman can go at absolute zero temp

anyways he is a consciousness. You cant freeze that

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Iceman can go at absolute zero temp

anyways he is a consciousness. You cant freeze that

Exactly! A consciousness has no mass to freeze!

Originally posted by Soljer
A consciousness has no mass, Mungi.


What aren't you understanding? His consciousness doesn't need to actually PHYSICALLY move. He can simply 'think' about how to use his power, and use it. He could (more or less) teleport to any piece of ice or drop of water in the surrounds, and he could even raise the temperature of the surrounding ice to ABOVE absolute zero, if he so desired (he's melted ice before....).

No I get it, but when you can't use your surroundings to your advantage such as ghosts their counciousness is trapped. Has he ever altered the temperature from absolute zero to increase? Once again as I stated if Cold freezes the whole area those drops of water won't be doing much as their particles are frozen in place counciousness or not.

He's melted ice before and it exhausted him, but this isn't merely turning something into ice. Far from it.

Iceman

Originally posted by King_Mungi
His councious ideally would be traped, as if the particles are in absolute zero their not moving...at all

Very well could
You're talking about comic books where a few guys can BLOW their breath at absolute zero.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Iceman can go at absolute zero temp

anyways he is a consciousness. You cant freeze that

but has he recovered when he was turned into absoulte zero?

Your not listening to me, I NEVER said that,

I understand that you are talking about 'trapping' Iceman's consciousness, but, fact is, even if Iceman's consciousness were trapped in a few water molecules, he would still be conscious. He could still use moisture inversion on cold for an easy win.

But he wouldn't be trapped. He can more or less 'teleport' to any surrounding water. Whether the molecules are moving or not - water is still water.

Originally posted by Soljer
I understand that you are talking about 'trapping' Iceman's consciousness, but, fact is, even if Iceman's consciousness were trapped in a few water molecules, he would still be conscious. He could still use moisture inversion on cold for an easy win.

But he wouldn't be trapped. He can more or less 'teleport' to any surrounding water. Whether the molecules are moving or not - water is still water.

I know I even said that when you made the inversion comment earlier. I never said his conciousness would vanish, but it's the same principles of ghosts, if they can't alter their surroundings their basically trapped

Water is water, but when the particles are absolute zero it won't matter much. Same difference. Can he alter it when it's already absolute zero? that's what I'm asking.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know I even said that when you made the inversion comment earlier. I never said his conciousness would vanish, but it's the same principles of ghosts, if they can't alter their surroundings their basically trapped

Water is water, but when the particles are absolute zero it won't matter much. Same difference. Can he alter it when it's already absolute zero? that's what I'm asking.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. He need not alter anything in the arena that would be getting hit by the Cold Gun. He only has to Alter Snart's body itself. Which would be a bit above absolute zero, no?

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm not sure what you're talking about. He need not alter anything in the arena that would be getting hit by the Cold Gun. He only has to Alter Snart's body itself. Which would be a bit above absolute zero, no?

I know and I said that, but I'm asking the question if Iceman and the surrounding area is blasted with the cold gun as Snart has done many times in the past. Could Iceman alter the water or himself if he or the surroundings are absolute zero? without attacking Snart by sucking the water out of him?

I'm not saying Cold wins, but merely asking a question

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I know and I said that, but I'm asking the question if Iceman and the surrounding area is blasted with the cold gun as Snart has done many times in the past. Could Iceman alter the water or himself if he or the surroundings are absolute zero? without attacking Snart by sucking the water out of him?

I'm not saying Cold wins, but merely asking a question

So your question is "Could Iceman alter the water if it's at absolute zero?"

Absolutely. Iceman has done plenty while maintaining absolute zero.

Also, it's a moot point in this thread, since Iceman need not move, but need only THINK to kill his opponents.

And since he is a consciousness, and has no brain, there are no electrochemical reactions to stop with the cold. .

Mungi convinced me. Cap wins.

Originally posted by Soljer
So your question is "Could Iceman alter the water if it's at absolute zero?"

Absolutely. Iceman has done plenty while maintaining absolute zero.

Also, it's a moot point in this thread, since Iceman need not move, but need only THINK to kill his opponents.

And since he is a consciousness, and has no brain, there are no electrochemical reactions to stop with the cold. .

Basically yeah if the entire surroundings was at absolute zero

Like?

Oooook, wasn't talking about who would win. Asking a question.

Once again I never said anything remotely talking about freezing his counciousness.

Originally posted by Validus
Mungi convinced me. Cap wins.

I'm not talking about who wins.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm not talking about who wins.
Consciousness has no mass. Why are you arguing?

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm not talking about who wins.

I know.

And I answered your question - yes, Iceman could still manipulate water at absolute zero.

Originally posted by Badabing
Consciousness has no mass. Why are you arguing?



You're a dick, .

Originally posted by King_Mungi
I'm not talking about who wins.
You've done such a good job making this a 2 page thread, you didn't have to argue.

Originally posted by Badabing
Consciousness has no mass. Why are you arguing?

You ruining my christmas

Originally posted by Soljer
I know.

And I answered your question - yes, Iceman could still manipulate water at absolute zero.

No you didn't, I just asked for an example. Has he manipulated when some thing was already at absolute zero? example?

Originally posted by Validus
You've done such a good job making this a 2 page thread, you didn't have to argue.

Oh hell I will take it as a compliament

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You ruining my christmas



No you didn't, I just asked for an example. Has he manipulated when some thing was already at absolute zero? example?

Oh! Example, my bad. I thought you just wanted an answer, and I was in a hurry to give you one, since this is such a crap thread. .

Anyways, I don't have any particular feat in mind, but Iceman HAS frozen things to absolute zero before, and then manipulated them. Perhaps Blair Wind could be of more assistance.

Also, this is still a one page thread for me. Score for fourty posts per page.

Originally posted by Soljer
Oh! Example, my bad. I thought you just wanted an answer, and I was in a hurry to give you one, since this is such a crap thread. .

Anyways, I don't have any particular feat in mind, but Iceman HAS frozen things to absolute zero before, and then manipulated them. Perhaps Blair Wind could be of more assistance.

Also, this is still a one page thread for me. Score for fourty posts per page.

Well of course two guys with freezing abilities against a person who is basically everything and everywhere.

I know he has frozen things to absolute zero before, but I don't recall him manipulating them afterwards. That's why I'm asking.

Originally posted by King_Mungi
You ruining my christmas

Dude, that post made me lmao!

I don't want to ruin Christmas. xmas
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j241/Badabing_2006/1160376394bbS1aJ.jpg

Oh, one example springs to mind. Give me a second

Alright here it is. Iceman goes and freezes a Celestial SPACE ship. If it does not freeze in space (which is three degrees above absolute zero) and he freezes everything it IS (basically every single molecule) and it has been shown before that he can freeze at absolute zero then this is absolute zero:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p192kj.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p208wl.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p217vf.jpg

Then he has to unfreeze it (parts of it) later:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p108ij.jpg

and mungi I am not understanding your assessment. Even if CC freezes some "area" iceman can just work outside that area if he could not unfreeze something at absolute zero (which I have shown he can)

Why don't we just ignore the person who's completely out of the other two's league *coughIcemancough* and focus on the other two fighting each other.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Alright here it is. Iceman goes and freezes a Celestial SPACE ship. If it does not freeze in space (which is three degrees above absolute zero) and he freezes everything it IS (basically every single molecule) and it has been shown before that he can freeze at absolute zero then this is absolute zero:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p192kj.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p208wl.jpg
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p217vf.jpg

Then he has to unfreeze it (parts of it) later:
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p108ij.jpg

and mungi I am not understanding your assessment. Even if CC freezes some "area" iceman can just work outside that area if he could not unfreeze something at absolute zero (which I have shown he can)

Thanks that's all I needed to see

eh? I'm not making an assessment, I was asking a question as I stated a few times. Hence me asking for examples and asking the question could Iceman alter something that was at absolute zero? I wasn't making a comment about Captain Cold winning, but asking a question about Iceman's powers.

But even if he COULDNT which he can, how would something material "trap" a consciousness? It could not be frozen, therefore he would still be able to move out of it.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
But even if he COULDNT which he can, how would something material "trap" a consciousness? It could not be frozen, therefore he would still be able to move out of it.

Once again think of a ghost, when they have no means to alter the environment what could they do? It's a simple concept as there have been several characters through out history in comics that have lost their counciousness as they were blocked from their body. What? I never said he couldn't move, I was talking about how the particles of water won't move hence my discussion with absolute zero and asked if he can manipulate it.

Iceman's not really akin to a ghost though. He's a consciousness inhabiting water molecules and capable of moving his consciousness through bodies of water regardless of their nature. I.e. the motion of the water molecules, or lack thereof, shouldn't really matter.

Yes, Iceman has a physical form, its water in any form. If you destroy all the water in the area he is doomed.

.......you know how much water there is in the world? In just the air around you??

Originally posted by Blair Wind
.......you know how much water there is in the world? In just the air around you??

And in his opponent's bodies, no less?

Didn't One of them get an upgrade by Neron to be as powerful as Iceman is now anyway? I seem to remember Green lantern having a bit of a time with one of those cold guys.

A conscious is powered by a brain or mind. For a brain or mind to function a neuron must fire. In an absolute zero environment where all movement and action in prevented, a neuron couldn't fire. If neurons don't fire than a working conscious cannot exist.

Full potential Iceman does not exist anymore, anyway.

Sure, he's still more powerful and more versatile than he was in his classic days, but not nearly as uber as on the beginning of his "unlocked potential" upgrade.

Ffs, he needed Psylocke's TP help just to create a more powerful ice blast (lol, no, NOT that kind of a blast)... and it wasn't impressive.

Iceman.

Im reeeally surprised this went 3 pages.

Bobby wins.

it is undoubted that Bobby can consciously, immediately lower his body temperature from its normal 98.6 Fahrenheit to absolute zero and lower within the span of a few tenths of a second

bobby still kills them dead. even if stilt is being a wet blanket. again. sneer

Can Bobby generate temperatures below absolute zero, though? Because as stupid/impossible as it sounds, CC can:
http://i.imgur.com/9on3ILN.png



vin

An example would be freezing blood in the veins, thereby stopping flow to the brain. He has demonstrated the ability to control chemical reactions on the molecular levelhe can freeze all of the molecules of an object/being with a thought
OH! he can also fly on his own with his control over moisture

Originally posted by Galan007
Can Bobby generate temperatures below absolute zero, though? Because as stupid/impossible as it sounds, CC can:
http://i.imgur.com/9on3ILN.png



vin

below absolute zero?

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/50267712.jpg

I wonder if he can still do that in Nu.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I wonder if he can still do that in Nu.

Well, it can slow 'anything' down (his cold-field), so...maybe?

http://i.imgur.com/eflBn8U.png

He also had those ice hands on the beginning of Nu, whatever happened to them?

^ I think he lost that ability when Johnny Quick mucked with his DNA(or something along those lines) during Forever Evil.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I think he lost that ability when Johnny Quick mucked with his DNA(or something along those lines) during Forever Evil.
Deathstorm rearranged his DNA because nobody messes with Geoff Johns' pet characters.

^ That's right, it was Deathstorm, not Johnny.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I think he lost that ability when Johnny Quick mucked with his DNA(or something along those lines) during Forever Evil.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Deathstorm rearranged his DNA because nobody messes with Geoff Johns' pet characters.

I see, thanks.