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An inhuman against an omega mutant. Who takes this?

No fight, Iceman.

Iceman wins

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Iceman wins

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Iceman wins

Ok, fine, how can Iceman deal with being speed blitzed by a scream that can destroy him to atomic level? Water is not water to that level, he wouldnt be able to survive just like that.

Originally posted by Bentley
Ok, fine, how can Iceman deal with being speed blitzed by a scream that can destroy him to atomic level? Water is not water to that level, he wouldnt be able to survive just like that.

Speedblitzed with a scream?



Is this before or after Iceman spreads his consciousness out to every molecule of water on earth? Including the very water that resides INSIDE Black Bolt?

Is this before or after Iceman FLASH FREEZES Black Bolt with a mere thought?

Before or after Iceman rips every droplet of moisture out of Black Bolt's body?

Before or after Iceman turns Black Bolt into water - which is, incidently, incapable of speech?

Originally posted by Soljer
Speedblitzed with a scream?



Is this before or after Iceman spreads his consciousness out to every molecule of water on earth? Including the very water that resides INSIDE Black Bolt?

Is this before or after Iceman FLASH FREEZES Black Bolt with a mere thought?

Before or after Iceman rips every droplet of moisture out of Black Bolt's body?

Before or after Iceman turns Black Bolt into water - which is, incidently, incapable of speech?

Is this before or after Bobby totally doesn't use his power to the full potenttial and jobs?

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
Is this before or after Bobby totally doesn't use his power to the full potenttial and jobs?

Clearly before, as jobbing only comes into play in comics.

Black Bolt whispers and blows icemanto ablivion.BB 10\10

Originally posted by hulk10
Black Bolt whispers and blows icemanto ablivion.BB 10

Because, clearly, Iceman can't survive as something ridiculously abundant on the planet...like...you know, water?

Now, i understand iceman is very powerful

on the other hand
Im not so sure if some of the ways iceman could possibly beat blackbolt would work

Keep in mind, blackbolt has control over his own molecules and very very very very high level matter manipulation
thats not to say iceman wouldent win (he has a huge advantage being able to plant his consciousness into water, which is pertty much everywhere)
So in essense if thats the case, it might be hard for bb to put iceman down.

As far as flash freeze goes, that could do it
but i lack the iceman knoweldge to make a fair judgement here.

it depends n who strikes first and whether or not bloodlust is on. If black bolt screams ice mans dead but if iceman freezes bb well then hes frozen

yeah, iceman is in watervapor

its hard to say what a true shout would do to the wator vapor as well
becuase my lack of knoweldge concerning waht happens to water after its been vaporized

Man thank god I stopped buying Xmen a long time ago. iF these characters are so powerful, who are their nemesis

I knew people would come and say Iceman could do thing he has never done, he has never inhabited in someone who can manipulate matter. I'm pretty sure that would kill Iceman badly.

That aside, I would like to see some scans about Iceman moving his essence through water around the world, how can he travels through the space in his "essence form"? Does he has to touch the mentioned material? See it?

.....give me half a day since I have places to be. Ill be back later with my scans.

All scans shown I tried to keep to his moisture inversion form, or manipulating water from someones body, being blown up in HUMAN form, or just an extreme ice feat (Legion/Stranger/Oblivion)

Gets blown up in ice form and the Sentinels cannot detect him, but he comes back to life during Juggernauts battle with them:
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http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforeverdrake24dz.jpg
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Stealing someones water:
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman13gv.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman20rs.jpg
http://img332.imageshack.us/my.php?image=iceman32ns.jpg

turns into water:
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He can transmute his element:
http://img370.imageshack.us/my.php?image=transmutesicetowater2my.jpg

Why not water into gas (in the human body)??

his should prove how fast Iceman is, Prosh thought he could (if he used his powers properly) that he could get from his house (in Boston) to atlanta in less than the few minutes that Mystique killed her son (in Atlanta!!)
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever2p056lt.jpg

Prosh showing Iceman how to REALLY use his powers:
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever2p161gf.jpg
http://img406.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever2p180hw.jpg

Becoming a part of everything at the same time as freezing a celestial ship:
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and coming back to form says that he is "everywhere"
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever5p227kd.jpg

Freezes the stranger (put it in because...its cool )
http://img347.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p268ua.jpg

Famous Flash Freeze:
http://img81.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenn41p143oa.jpg

Iceman escapes having the Celestial Ship compressed so tightly it creates a suction while it is "teleporting" (iceman was the "stars"
http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmenforever6p27wg4.jpg
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Emma Frost using Icemans body. Anything she can do he can do, and nowadays? Even better. Credit goes to ExodusCloak for the scans
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/2138/uncxmenv131307rougherkk7.jpg
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http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/7814/uncannyxmen314large01nm1.jpg
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I just realized how fast she travelled in his Ice-form...3 miles in 5 seconds...and that was via the river in liquid form...imagine his gas form shock

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/8259/uncannyxmen314large04uh0.jpg
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Also being blown up in HUMAN form (which is the most impressive part), going into steam form, then reconstructing himself out of ice (some pictures are repeats just cut to emphasize where Iceman is) :
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steamtoice01zw6.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/3575/ice1mq3.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steamtoice02nq3.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1158/ice2cx0.jpg
http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9092/ice3xu2.jpg
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steamtoice03lw1.jpg
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/6403/ice4td2.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=steamtoice04ss6.jpg

He has been blown up in human form before as well:
http://img179.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uncannyxmen430p19hb6.jpg

He also took down Oblivion (the abstract )
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ice14dz5.jpg

In the previous issue of X-Men, Iceman faced off against someone who can draw energy from whats around him to fuel his fires. He "fed" on Iceman till there was nothing left apparently absorbing him.

In the issue that just recently came out, it appears that Iceman was inside the opponents body, laying dormant until the time was right. Iceman must have been in his body for probably up to an hour. Could have been more, but hard to tell the full length of time that passed. Anyways, heres the feat. Impresive as hell imo. I wonder how long he can stay inside someones body without them knowing it?

Note: It appears Iceman killed him.
http://img174.imageshack.us/my.php?image=icemandormantiq9.png

Iceman.

Originally posted by Bentley
I knew people would come and say Iceman could do thing he has never done, he has never inhabited in someone who can manipulate matter. I'm pretty sure that would kill Iceman badly.

That aside, I would like to see some scans about Iceman moving his essence through water around the world, how can he travels through the space in his "essence form"? Does he has to touch the mentioned material? See it?

did I answer your questions?

people bb is beast but stop overhyping him. iceman ftw

its iceman..... if black bolt send iceman an energy wave, iceman didn't affect a high damage through his iceman form... then he will send it a ice blast to defeat black bolt...

the point is drake can be blasted itno a million pieces and still come back. in fact that would work to his advantage cuz then he would slip into his vapor form and enter BB's lungs, freezing them, or freezing the water in his brain

Blackbolt can control his molecular structure and can blst Bobby to an atomic level where water is no more, the only factor that matters to seee if Bobby wins is if he is able to traspass his essence to a target that BB wont destroy easily and freeze him from there.

Iceman wins 10/10, for all of the reasons Blair Wind has so kindly posted already.

Blackbolt screams, creating vibration in the air.

Iceman sucks the Kinetic energy out of the scream, stopping those vibrations.

Blackbolt dies reeaall quick.

Originally posted by LordFear
Man thank god I stopped buying Xmen a long time ago. iF these characters are so powerful, who are their nemesis
yep it's that stupid, but people'll buy comics as long as their favourites become more and more powerful.

I mean in civil war xmen.. iceman had problems with a sentinel, but some other times he's not even a mutant (he's a god).

If his low showings should be ignored as jobbing, i'd say his absurdly high showings should be ignored as well (doesn't have a catchy phrase like jobbing, but we'll work on that)

Originally posted by Trolt
yep it's that stupid, but people'll buy comics as long as their favourites become more and more powerful.

I mean in civil war xmen.. iceman had problems with a sentinel, but some other times he's not even a mutant (he's a god).

If his low showings should be ignored as jobbing, i'd say his absurdly high showings should be ignored as well (doesn't have a catchy phrase like jobbing, but we'll work on that)

Just because you don't like what Iceman can do on a consistent basis doesn't mean you can discount them.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
Just because you don't like what Iceman can do on a consistent basis doesn't mean you can discount them.

True ..but for constistancy (hard for me to argue because it's REALLY hard to WANT to follow the xmen) i guess i gotta refer to civil war (as comics that involve crossovers from the entire companies' roster are usually more accurate than the "ice-man and other gods" x-titles

too bad we can't ignore his low showings as well.
check out x-men civil war 2 i believe.
After not being able to take down ONE sentinel (along with beast/angel/cyclops) bobby says "How are we going to save the 198 if we can't even take down 1 sentinel"

Maybe bobby is trying reverse psychology ??? I dont think so.
Heros with an unreasonably huge range in ability (from >sentinel to a god) just means the writers dont' know what they are talkin about it.
x-men civil war 3 : Bobby's holding some soldiers back by erecting an ice wall to stop their bullets. He asks " I'm going to need help here"
I dont think bobby wanted someone to scratch his back. Hell even i know it's an unnormally low showing, as bobby could have easily sent that ice wall forwards and crushed the soldier's guns.

I'm just saying that ...if low showings are stupid..then whats to say his high showings arn't ?
Taking away some characters' CIS gives them a MAJOR advantage.

Which xmen comic is connected to civil war?? i read it, and now i cant find it

i had anothe rquesiton about iceman that no one has brought up but i cant remmeber

Originally posted by Trolt
I'm just saying that ...if low showings are stupid..then whats to say his high showings arn't ?
Taking away some characters' CIS gives them a MAJOR advantage.

company wide programs usually downgrade less major players and upgrade the others. Even in his own X-men title he is still playing a huge and creative role (steam forms, being blown up in human form, inhibiting someones body)

And even with the low showings, marvel writers since his conception have ALWAYS said that he has so much untapped potential/powers and has had his powers consistently shown to be more than what he uses (at least before). Some writers are just too dumb to realize that other writers have had him tap some of that potential.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
company wide programs usually downgrade less major players and upgrade the others. Even in his own X-men title he is still playing a huge and creative role (steam forms, being blown up in human form, inhibiting someones body)

And even with the low showings, marvel writers since his conception have ALWAYS said that he has so much untapped potential/powers and has had his powers consistently shown to be more than what he uses (at least before). Some writers are just too dumb to realize that other writers have had him tap some of that potential.

I guess the problem isn't the "dumb" writes who dont know what iceman is capable of. It's the one who insist on puttin him on a team with guys like beast/angel/cyclops when with his power, he can do much more.
This is why the surfer doesn't hang around wolverine much

Um...x-men civilwar is the only x-men titled tied in (i think)... i dont think its' that hard extramission55

Originally posted by Trolt


Um...x-men civilwar is the only x-men titled tied in (i think)... i dont think its' that hard extramission55

no no, im saynig
you know like uncanny xmen, astonishing xmen (nither which are civil war tie-in's)

so i was wondering what x-men comic the tie-ins were in

but apparently, your saying its actually just called x-men civil war correct?

I already readed the feats and nothing there points me towards new powers that Iceman posseses outside the scope I already suspected.


Originally posted by King Kandy
Blackbolt screams, creating vibration in the air.

Iceman sucks the Kinetic energy out of the scream, stopping those vibrations.

Blackbolt dies reeaall quick.


I didnt see any kinetic energy/stealing in the feats, as in the last time you said it, I dont see where that comes from.

Nothing speaks about Bobby's reaction speed either, in the feats he comes in contact with water and then becomes water -he can pass his consience to any part of the water, thus traveling instantly through the distance of the river/lake/sea he touched. He is not fast as in dodging bullets, rays or punches; he can just travel long distances by touching long water boddies because he becomes the body in question and thus his movement of translation becomes no more than moving a part of himself -no matter the location in the water body. To me that can be speedblitzed by faster oponents who can kill Bobby (say the Surfer).

When Bobby is hit, if any part of his water endures the attack (if only in the vapor form) he can reconstruct himself. It needs to be an attack that destroys the element on its essence to be something that can actually kill Bobby, to destroy the link between the oxygen-hydrogen molecules.

Now, if you would please tell me how Bobby entered in the body of the person in which he resided (and proceeded to kill), then I could get my own conclusions to this question without the need of people shouting that iceman is god.

heres my thing
if iceman can be transmutated
then i dont think hes going to win as easily as people here are saying, or if at all

blackbolt has some pertty rediculous manipulation feats

most noteably to this case, turning an army into stone and parting a sea in half

not to undermind icemans control over himself, im just saying
this seems like a simple writeoff when infact it probably isint

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
heres my thing
if iceman can be transmutated
then i dont think hes going to win as easily as people here are saying, or if at all

blackbolt has some pertty rediculous manipulation feats

most noteably to this case, turning an army into stone and parting a sea in half

not to undermind icemans control over himself, im just saying
this seems like a simple writeoff when infact it probably isint Transmutation won't work because he already turns himself into a non-organic form.

Why cant he be transmutated just by being non-organic? Just because Blackbolt hasnt petrified and army of tables doesnt mean he cant.

Black Bolt has some telepathic abilities so a mindrape isn't exactly out of the question

Originally posted by Trolt
True ..but for constistancy (hard for me to argue because it's REALLY hard to WANT to follow the xmen) i guess i gotta refer to civil war (as comics that involve crossovers from the entire companies' roster are usually more accurate than the "ice-man and other gods" x-titles

too bad we can't ignore his low showings as well.
check out x-men civil war 2 i believe.
After not being able to take down ONE sentinel (along with beast/angel/cyclops) bobby says "How are we going to save the 198 if we can't even take down 1 sentinel"

Maybe bobby is trying reverse psychology ??? I dont think so.
Heros with an unreasonably huge range in ability (from >sentinel to a god) just means the writers dont' know what they are talkin about it.
x-men civil war 3 : Bobby's holding some soldiers back by erecting an ice wall to stop their bullets. He asks " I'm going to need help here"
I dont think bobby wanted someone to scratch his back. Hell even i know it's an unnormally low showing, as bobby could have easily sent that ice wall forwards and crushed the soldier's guns.

I'm just saying that ...if low showings are stupid..then whats to say his high showings arn't ?
Taking away some characters' CIS gives them a MAJOR advantage.

However, time and time again, Iceman has shown to ability to do the things that Blair Wind, among others, has already shown in this thread. So when he has a low showing, like what you are saying with the soldiers and guns, that's called PIS. You don't see the Flash speed-blitzing every villain he faces, do you? Just like you don't see Iceman flash-freezing every bad guy he encounters.

Fortunately, PIS isn't allowed on these forums; that's why we tend to take into consideration high-level feats, but ones that occur on a consistent basis. Low-level feats, on the other hand, are normally discarded as PIS, as the character has already established the fact that he can overcome the situation, but because of the plot, he doesn't.

Originally posted by Bentley
Why cant he be transmutated just by being non-organic? Just because Blackbolt hasnt petrified and army of tables doesnt mean he cant.

Burden of truth is on you. Has Black Bolt ever transmutated something inorganic?

Originally posted by Grimm22
Black Bolt has some telepathic abilities so a mindrape isn't exactly out of the question

Has Black Bolt ever mindraped someone?

Originally posted by H. S. 6




Has Black Bolt ever mindraped someone?


Acutally, he has, although it wasnt a mindrape the way xavior or another telepath does it. Ill have to find the scan, but he shut off someones mind using electonic currents or something, i cant remember. But he did it, albeit not in the literal sense of a mindrape

Originally posted by Bentley
Why cant he be transmutated just by being non-organic? Just because Blackbolt hasnt petrified and army of tables doesnt mean he cant. You misunderstood.What I meant was since Bobby already turns himself into a non-organic form how is transmutation going to effect him.Unlike a lot of people he can survive as a non-organic substance.

So is iceman like, unkillable? cuz this thread is makeing me think so


i dont mean that in a whiney way, i really want to know

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
So is iceman like, unkillable? cuz this thread is makeing me think so


i dont mean that in a whiney way, i really want to know

not unkillable, just extremely difficult. The only surefire 100% way to accomplish it would be to BFR him somewhere there was no moisture like...the sun, for instance, telepathically take him down, remove his powers i.e. leech and then shoot him, etc.

Originally posted by Space M ummy
not unkillable, just extremely difficult. The only surefire 100% way to accomplish it would be to BFR him somewhere there was no moisture like...the sun, for instance, telepathically take him down, remove his powers i.e. leech and then shoot him, etc.


ahh
i see

I argue that if you can make turn him into a kind of substance that doesnt have water on it (via transmutation or the destruction of his mass to a molecular level) then he cannot survive, because he can only survive in a non-organic form that contains water.

To me, Blackbolt is more than capable of using both.

Wow i never knew ice man was THAT STRONG, i mean come on,bb opens his mouth,gives a scream and BAM ICEMAN IS DOWN,i dunno bout u guys but on Marvel Ultimate Alliance in Uatu's base and Karank says "that even the whisper over blackbolt can destroy half"(or the whole) "of this place". and ice man cant deal wtih that,but i think BB wins

BB wins

Originally posted by Bentley
I argue that if you can make turn him into a kind of substance that doesnt have water on it (via transmutation or the destruction of his mass to a molecular level) then he cannot survive, because he can only survive in a non-organic form that contains water.

To me, Blackbolt is more than capable of using both. You also have to get rid of ALL the moisture in the area as well.Including the water in BB.