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Themes, scenes, or shots repeated or mirrored throughout the saga


This is hopefully the start of what will become a great thread.

First, I checked around and found only the foreshadowing thread, but none like this one.

Second, yes I'm copying this thread from TF.N, one because I liked it so much over there, and two because here it can be condensed into a few pages rather than 90.




So what exactly is it for?

Screencaps, specifically those images or shots and sequences that show the visual themes that Lucas weaved throughout the six films.

Many are obvious (Both skywalkers losing an arm), some are not.
Some are opposites, some are the same situations.


In any event, I'll try to make this fun, and definately want others to look, comment, and participate as this type of thread I've seen on 3 different boards ends up bringing lots of great discussions.


Without further ado:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/rideforfreedom.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/ridetodarkness.jpg

Anakin's first journey is one of innocence, one that leads to his freedom.
Anakin's second journey is one of darkness, one that leads to the end of his innocene. Note the symbolic sun setting on him.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/jedi1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/jedi2.jpg

Exactly the same shot. Obi-wan is always towered over by those closest to him.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/anakinshmi1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/anakinshmi2.jpg

Twice Anakin says goodbye to his mother, and twice it changes his life.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/senate1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Star%20Wars/senate2.jpg

The last good days of the republic are ending. The darkness is spreading.

A flight into uncertainty:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/anakinship.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/lukeship.jpg


Similar positions reversed:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/lunchaotc.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/dinner.jpg


Echoes of the Past:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/confession.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/sameconfession.jpg

A Master's Decision; A Jedi's Proclimation:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/obiwanep1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/obiwanot.jpg

Note that these scenes are both when Anakin and Luke are officially decided to become Jedi. Both feature Obi-wan, but the angles are reversed. Anakin is on the left side of the screen, traditionaly the villian's side, and Luke on the right, the hero's side. This is intentional, and planned by Lucas, as you'll see in many more shots to come.

A Mentor Lost:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/NOOOO2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/NOOOOOOO.jpg

An interesting note here, so far there have been shots of Anakin's beginning story matching Luke's beginning story or
1=4
2=5
3=6

but there is also
1=6
2=5
3=4

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/obiquigon.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/anakinluke.jpg

/\
'---------A father lost.


and of course, the saga ends how it began:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/quigonfuneral.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/anakinsfuneral.jpg


(note again: Qui-Gon is on the right, Vader on the left.)

Nice summing up. Nothing new really, Lucas copying himself. But these are nice.

Loss of a loved one:


http://mywebpage.netscape.com/swadvent/Luke_reaction.jpg

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/swadvent/Anakin_rage.jpg

On approach:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison1.jpg

Enter the Jedi:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison3.jpg

Appearing before the big man:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison2.jpg

Some of them are good, but some are mere contrivances of using the same place over and over again.

I much prefer the motifs of loosing hands, etc.

Meeting of the big-wigs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison13.jpg

And behind door number two:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison5.jpg

More Garage Repairs:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison12.jpg

No place like Homestead:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison10.jpg

Originally posted by Alliance
Some of them are good, but some are mere contrivances of using the same place over and over again.

I much prefer the motifs of loosing hands, etc.

Alrighty, I'll try to get some of those (there are quite literally hundreds of them.)

First film ends in celebration, but with intrigue ahead:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison6.jpg

Anakin loses his mother, Luke loses his father:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison15.jpg

Note Anakin's position on the left, Luke on the right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/comparison16.jpg
Again, Shmi's on the right, Anakin on the left. Note the circular scar on the left cheek of both Shmi and un-masked Anakin.

For Alliance:

http://img117.exs.cx/img117/7385/pdvd0128at.png
http://img77.exs.cx/img77/6760/pdvd0300fk.png


More for Alliance (the second shot, anyway):
http://img117.exs.cx/img117/1596/pdvd0214nx.png
http://img117.exs.cx/img117/972/pdvd0064ix.png

Note: These shots are remaniscent of the film "Triumph of the Will" a Nazi propoganda that is reviled for it's message, but known for its images.

AOTC:

http://img117.exs.cx/img117/3846/pdvd0167ev.png

ESB:http://img77.exs.cx/img77/9549/pdvd0272cx.png

Padme shoots at Dooku's ship as it leaves, while Leah fires at Boba Fett's escaping ship.

AOTC:

http://img117.exs.cx/img117/5564/pdvd0197ql.png

ESB:
http://img77.exs.cx/img77/751/pdvd0316nt.png

The End.

Notice how the last shot in "Clones" appears to be an inverted version of a similar composition from the closing moments of "Empire"; also of note, besides the fact that the droids are present in both images, is that in "Clones" we have a shot of husband-wife, while in "Empire" we have brother-sister.

Thanks.

Brother/Sister and almost husband wife.

btw...why is Anakin's arm sparking?

Hey cool thread.

yes it is.

Where is Sidious sitting and making questionable sounds while watching two men fight? lol

Must have been the heated material of bone and cloth and what-not that sparks.

Plus, very intereresting thread, I hadn't noticed most of these before.

Originally posted by AstroFan
Where is Sidious sitting and making questionable sounds while watching two men fight? lol

Coming up on Mon., my good sir. But of course if you've got good screencaps, then post 'em!

I've got alot of these high-quality ones though, so even if nobody else posts, I'll be at this for awhile.Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Hey cool thread. JP! wootOriginally posted by Alliance
yes it is. Originally posted by Tangible God
plus, very intereresting thread, I hadn't noticed most of these before.

Thanks guys, I was hoping you'd get a kick out of these.

There are lots more to go, as that haXxor Lucas made sure that the PT took things from the OT and mirrored and flipped them.

Some later ones are going to be clever and un-expected, as I'll show you how Luke and Anakins story's and Leah and Padme's stories parralel and contrast, but also how Luke and padme's and Leah's and Anakin's do too.


Plus I'm saving a Mace/Han solo goodie for Mon., wonder if anybody could beat me to it?

Great thread sithsaber, well done. I hadnt noticed many of these before - I see you have even found a couple with Count Dooku. Very good.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
There are lots more to go, as that haXxor Lucas made sure that the PT took things from the OT and mirrored and flipped them.


Its nto being haxxor or unoriginal. Its making a coherent saga

Yeah, well, there is an awful lot of repetition. He repeats just about everything, it does show a bit of poverty on ideas though. Taking out only the relevant themes to be copied would have made it stronger. This just shows he does everything the same way. Too much of this and it gets lame, it just kinda shows Lucas ran out of ideas.

Or perhaps it means that he weaved things into the saga more subtlely than we'd thought....


Anyways, let the goodness continue!

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/7296/pdvd1398vl.png

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/6459/pdvd1467ux.png

These two sets of shots show a direct parallel in themes and tones, with blue smoke and red/orange contrasts. Also the positions are the same.

http://img151.exs.cx/img151/5339/pdvd1408fo.png

http://img151.exs.cx/img151/2329/pdvd1421uc.png

Similarly, both characters are in the same place thematicaly, as a young Jedi padawan facing an older, more experienced Sith lord.

Whoop! I Think We Took a Wrong Turn:

http://img220.exs.cx/img220/6987/pdvd1355dk.png

http://img232.exs.cx/img232/3880/pdvd1483qy.png


Sidious Introduced:
http://img223.exs.cx/img223/250/pdvd0052fc.png

http://img223.exs.cx/img223/1107/pdvd1918rx.png

The first time we see him in either trilogy he is a hologram, controlling the main plot while staying behind-the-scenes.

Here's two sets of shots from ESB and AOTC, that have the same themes and happen at the same point in time in each movie:

Flight Into Danger
http://img223.exs.cx/img223/3585/pdvd1926al.png

http://img223.exs.cx/img223/7470/pdvd1895po.png

Kiss Before Dying

http://img225.exs.cx/img225/8943/pdvd1938gq.png

http://img223.exs.cx/img223/6908/pdvd1884cd.png

Jedi Training:

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/74/pdvd0408kb.png

http://img87.exs.cx/img87/2646/pdvd0233id.png

The composition of these shots is somewhat different, but the thematic and visual reference is undeniable.

A Close Call

http://img230.exs.cx/img230/9779/pdvd0132tu.png

http://img215.exs.cx/img215/6456/pdvd0342ez.png

Getting the Shaft

http://img104.exs.cx/img104/651/pdvd0256zn.png

http://img104.exs.cx/img104/7702/pdvd0293no.png

Both master and apprentice meet the same fate. Also in a twist of irony, the Sith apprentice is killed by the Jedi who's own apprentice later kills the Sith Master.


R2 is a Bit Pushy

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/4352/pdvd0094lp.png

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/6861/pdvd0126ti.png

Kenobi, Meet Skywalker

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/3854/pdvd0248xe.png

http://img177.exs.cx/img177/3310/pdvd0200cg.png

The shots are reversed, as are the stories of the characters. Once again, Anakin is on the left side of the shot (traditionally the villians) and Luke is on the right. (traditionally the hero's)

Just Kickin' It

http://img218.echo.cx/img218/5883/kick2el.jpg

http://img218.echo.cx/img218/1812/kick23pk.jpg
Sorry for the quality of the first pic. Both duels orchastrated by Palpatine, both Skywalkers faced by the conflict of using anger.... These scenes definitely contrast each other.

Leaving Tatooine

http://img202.echo.cx/img202/8545/departing0ff.jpg

http://img202.echo.cx/img202/5673/departing29zq.jpg

Both times our group of heroes leave the desert planet in hopes of finding a democratic, peaceful planet that will help the situation.

http://img202.echo.cx/img202/9935/home3br.jpg

http://img202.echo.cx/img202/4162/escape28hf.jpg

Similarly, they both end up leaving places of corrupt control.

Vaders Mask

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/GillianSeed/AnakinROTSVaderROTJ.jpg

Nice symetry to these two scenes, when the mask is first lowered, and finally lifted.

Hanging Around

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/junorhane/Star%20Wars/Anakin-Hanging.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/junorhane/Star%20Wars/Luke-Hanging.jpg

Just a visual parallel, but one of my faves.

Before The Council

http://img185.exs.cx/img185/7038/council17ol.jpg

http://img185.exs.cx/img185/18/council24zp.jpg

The first shot is warm and welcoming, as Anakin stands among the Jedi Masters. The second is colder, with Anakin standing in defiance. Note again the symbolic sun setting, this time behind storm clouds.

*Easter Egg*

http://massassi.yavin4.com/sw_img/e2coru59.jpg

http://massassi.yavin4.com/sw_img/e5spac25.jpg

The galaxy Obi-Wan points to is the exact same one as outside the window of the medical frigate.

Before the Dark Times, Before the Empire

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9314/masterapprentice10ad.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/641/masterapprentice26ws.jpg
A parallel of master and apprentice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/Tatooine_Fireman/palpy_office.jpg

Almost the exact same shot, however in ROTS they walk in darkness.

Family Funerals

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/anakinsfuneral.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/ROTS/pdeath.jpg

Death and Birth

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/ROTS/padme.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/ROTS/paranakin.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/ROTS/esbparallel.jpg

http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/244/rotsparallel2is.jpg

One of my other favorite parallels.

Maternal Instincts

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5183/copyofphantommenace15gu.jpg

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/6377/0127d2166rd.jpg

Sorry about the picture quality on that one.


http://img231.echo.cx/img231/4276/pdvd0356uf.jpg

http://img237.echo.cx/img237/7888/untitled32vr.jpg

I know that I did one with the council chamber already, but it's worth noting the look of these two shots is eerily similar. One is Anakin's first time in the council, trying to be a Jedi and the other is the last time he's in the chambers as a Jedi.

Cleaning Up

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/ed7e5a50.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/7bcabf88.jpg

Here's one where Luke has the same path as Padme, and there are a few more that I'll get to.

This next group is just visual parallels:

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3910/obiasteroid1tu.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6990/hanasteroid5ay.jpg

Anybody who's heard the AOTC commentary knows that Bobba Fett catches Solo because of realizing the trick Kenobi played before.

So Uncivilized

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/6514/obiblaster4an.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7885/hanblaster1gt.jpg

Trying to Convince the Lady

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/13cea8c6.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/14a7754a.jpg

Again, note Anakin's position (when in focus) he's most often on the left, the villians side.

Anakin's Choice

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/5315/anakinlightning4cp.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/286/vaderlightning0pt.jpg

I didn't get the right ROTS shot, but both times he must choose between saving a Jedi being zapped by Sidious, while lightning reflects on his face.

Listen Up
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/e524987f.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/984e592a.png

Youthful Enthusiasm
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/8753458c.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/0c97a654.png

Boy, I'm on a roll now!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/565e9083.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/7526fcca.png

Anakin's Dinner Tricks

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/403dce4e.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/7f05acad.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/989465dc.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/4474b89d.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/0ecfc8b2.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/2e7f7f88.png

I like how themes are expressed and then re-inforced, sometimes more than once. Both of these scenes can be tied into the end of ROTJ. (Obi-wan loses Qui-gon; Luke loses Vader and Anakin loses his mother, Luke loses his father.)

Out for a Spin

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/38806079.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/f0a6fdd3.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/87505ce0.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/600a5e91.png

Anakin is always on the left, whereas Luke is on the right.

It's incredible how many themes/shots/motifs are repeated. I've yet to watch them all 1-6, but I wonder if it does anything on a subconcious level to watch it that way.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/0f0365b1.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/d5ffb9a8.png

It seems Lucas tells the same story in each trilogy, but from literally a different angle.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/c54f12a6.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/75c7dd85.png

For Queeq, to hang above the bar.



And, as promised... the two BMF's in the whole StarWars galaxy:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/ecc4d284.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/62c99980.png

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Or perhaps it means that he weaved things into the saga more subtlely than we'd thought....



Hardly subtle... He just copies every shot OTHER directors made in the OT. It would have been subtle had he only done it with crucial Anakin-Luke parrallels. But he doubles or quadruples everything.

Most of them aren't even motifs... they are way to shallow for them to be called that. Like the harpoons-around-the-pole... Since when is that a motif? It's a copy!!! Bears no relevance at all!!!

I don't mind it that much, but don't call this visual storytelling at it's finest. the finest was invented in the OT and then copied 20 years later in three more films.

regardless, this is still one of the coolest threads ive seen, alot of these i was just blown back that i hadnt seen the parallels before, and the others i didnt realize were that similar.

Some of those are a stretch...like ships flying away form Tatooine.

Originally posted by queeq

I don't mind it that much, but don't call this visual storytelling at it's finest. the finest was invented in the OT and then copied 20 years later in three more films.

See, I don't see it that way.

Lucas indeed made masterpieces with the OT, but we are selling the PT short, I think.

He went back to tell the story of Luke's father Anakin, the story of Darth Vader, and the story of the Republic becoming the Empire.

The fact that he took the time to blend the stories, to make things either rhyme or contrast with each other, and especially if he noticed that Luke was shown on the right side of the screen, the hero's, maybe even "just because" since it was a hero's story, and took the chance to tell Anankin's on the opposite side, and in opposite or the same situations....

shows a subtlety and a genius, quite frankly.

These are subtle things, not even noticed until pointed out in some cases, while others are right in your face. (skywalkers lose arms)

They show to me that when Lucas went back to tell his PT, he took far more care in placing the images together in certain ways. Things progress visually within each film on its own, but they also progress visually into the next film. Even further, as one film may have a character or event that is subtley reversed from a similar choice or event in another one that is two or three films away.

It's poetry.

If it's accidental then it's lucky or just weird.
If it's intentional, it makes the whole saga that much better.

I have more pics coming Queeq, I'm glad you've liked these ones so far, but wait till you see what else is in the films.

You may change your mind about the PT, in some regards anyway.

(after all, no amount of poetry or pretty images replaces shit acting.) Originally posted by SithSpy
regardless, this is still one of the coolest threads ive seen, alot of these i was just blown back that i hadnt seen the parallels before, and the others i didnt realize were that similar. Thanks. Originally posted by Alliance
Some of those are a stretch...like ships flying away form Tatooine. Is it a stretch though?

They both happen about an hour into the film, they both show a Skywalker taken from Tatooine, they both head off hoping to end up in a place that will help things (alderaan and coruscant) and they both end up leaving tech heavy places (coruscant being the "entire planet is one big city" always reminded me of the death star anyway) that are full of curruption and evil at the end.


Plus they had a desert planet behind them, so I figured: what the hell.

Jesus Kryst, I never realized how many of these there were.

kryst?

Well, back to the pics!


Lady's Luck

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/ba5cb3be.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/1eee4984.png

I suppose it's getting old but notice again, when in a similar situation, Anakin is on the left (the villian's side) and Luke is on the right (the hero's side). And yes, the kiss Luke gets is a little creepy.

Across the Canyon and Through the Crevice

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/2a112881.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/72403738.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/6bece657.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/d95616c9.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/b905ed1c.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/1b6fc880.png

Which leads perfectly to the next one:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/ac800f30.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/60a6aa31.png

Turret's Syndrome

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/10721c1a.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/aab4450e.jpg

Another with the Viewport from TPM

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8616/tpmviewscreen0dg.jpg

http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/8796/rotsviewscreen6pf.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/vlcsnap-77341.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/vaderemperorholo015yc.jpg

Seeing things progress from one film into the next really helps to solidify it as one whole saga.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/vlcsnap-52465.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/vlcsnap-56327.png

So does seeing a character trait repeated a few films apart, to show it's the same character on the same journey.

From Chancellor to Emporer

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/ChanPalpSenate.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/c4957ad6.jpg

Even though we know him as the villian all along, notice how his position switches from on the right (good guy) in the film where he's chancellor to on the left (bad guy) in the film where he's becomes emporer and is revealed as Sidious.


This also happens in the mirrored scenes of Anakin walking and talking with Palps in his office, that I posted on the last page:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/Tatooine_Fireman/palpy_office.jpg


In AOTC, anakin walks on the right side while he's trying to be a good Jedi, and in ROTS he walks on Palps left side in the film that he turns evil and becomes Darth Vader.



This is more for fun than anything, but:

Palps Hangs On
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/PalpyShaft2.jpg

Palps Falls
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/PalpyFall3.jpg


I wonder if he was thinking of this when he fell?

Jedi Towers and Sith Tower

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/spires1.jpg

Clones and Drones

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/clones1.jpg

First and Last

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/BenSaberIgnite2.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/SidiousIgnite2.jpg

Sorry for the pic quality! This is the first and last time in the saga that we see a blade ignited in a battle of Jedi v.s. Sith.

Notice that Obi-Wan and sidious are hooded, and that they both ignite with one hand.

Held Captive

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/suspended11.jpg

Thoughtful on the Bridge

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/changing11.jpg

Creepin'

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/corner31.jpg

Hold Me
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/665326/26481/user_26481/T0_26481_665326.jpg

Good Job!
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/665336/26481/user_26481/T0_26481_665336.jpg

Ridin' Dirty
http://show.imagehosting.us/show/665348/26481/user_26481/T0_26481_665348.jpg

I love the visual contrast in colors here.

Bringing down the Walls

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/665374/26481/user_26481/T0_26481_665374.jpg

I like that in ROTS he's moving away from us, and in ESB he's coming straight for us.

Kind of a metaphor for anakin's character in relation to the audience, while still showing him relentless in pursuit of our Jedi hero.

Originally posted by sithsaber408
You may change your mind about the PT, in some regards anyway.

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Why would I? IN the end it is all about story, not about endless repetitions in composition. I mean, he did a nice job, but he uses repetition as a style. He chooses left for the villains and stick to it... that is a basic choice. There is very little suprise in it, something that baffles you. And again: the OT was mainly shot by OTHER directors. And that is what Lucas is repeating: THEIR work.

And when it comes to the very essence: good storyTELLING, the PT is flawed and always will be. Not nice compositioning will ever be able to compensate that. Nice pictures alone don't make a good film.

Well very well, the intention of the thread was never to get people to like the PT better, but to show all of the visual themes that are repeated, mirrored, or reversed throughout the whole saga.

It made me appreciate the PT a little more, but in the end it's all about the pics.

As long as everybody is still enjoying the thread, I will continue.


http://show.imagehosting.us/show/665390/26481/user_26481/T0_26481_665390.jpg

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/665397/26481/user_26481/T0_26481_665397.jpg

http://show.imagehosting.us/show/665411/26481/user_26481/T0_26481_665411.jpg

I think Ast was asking for one like this, but I'm gonna keep looking for better quality images.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/1d5f761d.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/3d41d1cd.png

Originally posted by sithsaber408
Well very well, the intention of the thread was never to get people to like the PT better, but to show all of the visual themes that are repeated, mirrored, or reversed throughout the whole saga.

It made me appreciate the PT a little more, but in the end it's all about the pics.

As long as everybody is still enjoying the thread, I will continue.



How much wishful thinking is this? A lot comes down to basic composition...

Oh, and you forgot the word 'repeated' when you were summing up.

You've baffled me.

I think that you said composition is important in film, which I get...

but then you ask me if I'm just wishful thinking....

about what?

My last post said that I never meant to convert people to liking the PT more, only that it made me appreciate it a little more, and that I was gonna post all of the similar shots and themes of the saga in here.

And I said "repeated" in that post, since you quoted it you should see that. LL!!

No more blue milk for you, Queeq!


Anyways, here's more pics for those who are enjoying this kind of thing:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/frog11.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/tactical11.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/cac437e3.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/227d2622.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/f29db581.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/1e18c6dc.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/16785cd6.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/b97b9b34.jpg



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http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/d3118b2a.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/91354a34.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/f9ef1fd6.png

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Originally posted by sithsaber408
You've baffled me.

You baffle me too.

Sometimes you get really cood ones, like Jabba eating something, or Palpsy getting shafted...but other times, like when you use ships flying into hangers, that not anything special. Ships fly into hangars and then out of them. They usually land inside too

Why the discrepancy?

I must say I like the one with both Kenobi and Sidious igniting their sabers the same way. Good job, keep them coming.

Originally posted by Alliance
You baffle me too.

Sometimes you get really cood ones, like Jabba eating something, or Palpsy getting shafted...but other times, like when you use ships flying into hangers, that not anything special. Ships fly into hangars and then out of them. They usually land inside too

Why the discrepancy?

Because the thread is for similar themes, events, or shots... and of course shots of ships landing in and out of hangers look similar.


I see what you mean, though.Originally posted by Rampant ox
I must say I like the one with both Kenobi and Sidious igniting their sabers the same way. Good job, keep them coming. Thanks.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/zapped1.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/cliff1.jpg

I know I did this one before, but it was from more of a straight ahead view, rather than looking down which I liked better.


http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/3794c59d.jpg

Obi-Wan is the wrong guy to mess with at the bar.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/976738b2.jpg

The Circle is Now Complete

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/61ab0f6a.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/b26d50d3.png

Sith Lords seem to have a thing for disconnecting appliances. Both in the second film of the trilogy, and shown here as reversed angles.

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/462c1862.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/24eac81d.png

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/Yavinfleet.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/OnaMission.jpg

I guess Lucas figured this last one was too blatant? I was always bummed that when it pans down to the star destroyer we didn't pull back to see this shot in ROTS.

Shop Class

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/vlcsnap-98535.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/vlcsnap-16619.png

3PO-Drag Queen

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/vlcsnap-97807.png

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b304/pinnacletruth/vlcsnap-20106.png

The Face of Evil

http://x1.putfile.com/10/27620220633.jpg

http://x1.putfile.com/10/27620205940.jpg

Wow! Alot of you know George Lucas so well, perhaps you should take over the Star Wars empire and create what you know is right.

Awesome thread by the way. If we could only stick to the cool pictures rather than everyone harping on every fricken thing Lucas has done.

Oh we would have a whole new episode II.5.

Originally posted by Sith Master X

Awesome thread by the way. If we could only stick to the cool pictures rather than everyone harping on every fricken thing Lucas has done.

Thanks SMX. I'll keep to the pics and not commentate on 'em. Originally posted by Alliance
Oh we would have a whole new episode II.5.

L L!

Great Warrior

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/7274/yodalock19ev.jpg

http://img423.imageshack.us/img423/6339/yodalock22qa.jpg

He wins one, he loses one. Opposite position reflects this.

Disposable Apprentices

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/95af3f9d.png

http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6178/deathstariihangarbay7tv.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/fettbeforedeath.jpg

ive never looked at this thread
glad i have
well put together
pretty good to see the evidence all in front of you
and good reason to stay away from the PT

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/46kp1.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/glass.jpg

I used the Dooku/Anakin duel before to show the parallel to the Vader/Luke duel in ESB, but I also noticed a similar fighting stance here.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/arm.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/71vh1.jpg

Vader's such a dick, he should give these guys a hand.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/starwars_revengeofthesith_44.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/e4spac41.jpg

Whoa Nelly

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/1199/obiriding1uw.jpg

http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/9651/lukeriding2yx.jpg


Defeated and Down the Hole

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2958/yodalookback2od.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/505/lukelookback0el.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/2324/yodafall9ck.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/8045/lukefall1sr.jpg

The more I see, the more unoriginal the PT gets. You're making things better.

Originally posted by queeq
The more I see, the more unoriginal the PT gets. You're not making things better.

His Favorite Chair

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare2.jpg

Similar set designs and situations.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare3.jpg

Repeated visual motif, perhaps?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare4.jpg

Ditto.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare5.jpg

HA! You thought you'd seen that shot before, didn't you?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare10.jpg

I think I posted this one already, but this is a better grouping of shots.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare7.jpg

Okay, its an obvious one, but good to see that they stuck to continuity.

That mace one would make a cool sig and avatar.

Alliance, wanna make one for me if you have spare time?

Anakin Meditates

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare9.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare6.jpg

Repeated dramatic motif - the birth and destruction of an Empire is preceded by a Dark Lord at the mercy of a Jedi. In ROTS he chooses to strike and is overpowered by the evil he sought to destroy. In ROTJ he chooses to lay down his weapon and saves the galaxy entire.


A New Hope.....Luke Skywaler

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v631/nealnz/compare8.jpg


Probably my favorite one. I can hear the Force Theme in my head when I look at it.

I cried when I saw that in theaters. I'M SUCH A P*SSY!

You are.

Except not.

Originally posted by Alliance
I cried when I saw that in theaters. I'M SUCH A P*SSY!

That's alright dude.

I didn't cry but I was choked up and misty eyed from when Obi-wan says "You were the chosen one!" till the credits rolled.

So many things to take in.

That speech he gives, Vader's birth, Padme's death, the twins birth, the Death Star, Alderaan, and then baby luke at the homestead in front of the twin suns.

Man.

What a great flick. One of the best times that I ever had at a theatre.

Back to the pics on mon.

These are really good, I never really noticed these things before.

Some are more stylistic than intended parrallels I'm sure.

I agree, but there certainly are elements that overlap....*hands*

Hands for sure.... a great many of them. Everybody loses their hands: Anakin, Luke, Mace, Vader...

...Yoda, Dooku....

Yoda?

Oh yeah, I knew I forgot one... Dooku. Who else?

In ANH, during the cantina part, did OB1 kill that guy or slice his hand off? I don't recall, he may be another one...

That was an arm...and it bled...so we disqualify that.


Yoda also had his hand sliced off, but Lucas decided not to include that since Yoda's facade was too important to protect.

He did??? What a terrible idea.

If we inlcude the ANH cantina, we can also include the AOTC bar one... but the are arms.

IMHO... too many hands got cut off. It's Lucas' inflation of a good concept: he uses it too much.

I have a bad feeling about this.

Bottomless shafts in enclosed spaces.

Yeah... those too.... but they are minor, since the hands getting cut off were pretty crucial in the Luke-Vader relationship. Since everyone gets their hands cut of, it loses its meaning of destiny and choice of the path you're gonna walk.

If you forget, Vader forced Luke down a bottomless shaft....


...that would be a significant development in a relationship with anyone that I know.

Err.... yeah, in a way.

But the cut-off hand of Vader made Luke realise how close he was to the very turning point that his father once reached, it showed him where he stood and in a way what to choose. So that scene of Luke chosing for the good side is what the whole saga is about: choice for good and bad. So, with all these hands getting chopped off, it devaluates that moment. And that is a shame.

Yes...and then Luke fell down a shaft.


Very significant.

He did..... and so did Palpy, and Ob1, and Maul.... and OB1 again alomst fighting grievous, and Mace fell and... ooooh, these terrible endless repetitions....

It provides cohesion. And yes, it is pointlessly repetative because Lucas cant think of how to dispose of characters.

Well, he thinks repetition is profound.... That's what worries me.

Repetition always is a hallmark for "Place analysis here"

It works of course, but when applied properly. But he finds it poetic when everything is repeated everywhere. He overdid it.

Its not overdone...its far from typical though. It helps to connect a saga that spans 27 years. People already feel as if they know a part of the film.

You don't need to repeate everything three times to connect something, style, music etc. should connect it up as a whole. Not repeating scenes x times...

No, you don't need to. I'm just saying that its not necessairly wrong to.

It is when all you do is repeat yourself. I like the hands repetition thing with Luke and Anakin, because it shows a similar path they are walking.

Some parrallels are nice when they show a different outcome when a situation is handled differently. But so often it is random, just for the sake of repetition.

As I said, it doesn't really bother me. I think its an artistic mechanism. Lucas really isn't known for his mature filmmaking.

Hehehe...

Well I'm glad that this little thread of mine is enjoyable, and that it's caused some discussions over the paralells in the saga.

Good stuff.

Here's some new ones:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/61038cd6.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/aacbf0c2.png

At the end of TPM, we focus in on the Sith Master, and his goal... Anakin.

In ROTS, all the obstacles blocking Palps from Anakin are removed.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/senseimela/army1.jpg

The shots have the soldiers in similar positions in the frame.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/senseimela/hatch1.jpg

One opens up to let in, one opens down to let out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v62/senseimela/hologramships1.jpg

Opposite positions and colors, yet the holograms are in almost the exact same spot.

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b104/fuchajumana/door1.jpg

Open and shut.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/ROTSSenate.jpg

Good and evil fighting in the center of the universe is shown by Yoda and Sidious fighting in the center of the senate.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v299/Sepharih/AOTCSenate.jpg

The first thing that can be observed is how unlike the one above, the Senate is highly populated signifying that the power still remains with the people, unlike in ROTS where the emperor has all the power and the seats are empty. I also like the way Yoda is looking at the Chancellor's seat, interesting bit of forshadowing.

BTW, I checked the dvd's and the camera pans out from the Chancellor's seat the same way in both shots.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/8449804c.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/7b42b725.png
I did this one before, but I liked these two shots better. Think of it as a "SE" post.

- Anakin fleeing the ship he has just destroyed, in contrast to
- Anakin crash-landing on the ship he will later try and pilot to safety

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/6a7ef7f0.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/1661bd37.png

A more civilized age.

Conferring with the Commander
http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/f2e925680f0529e777815713cffc1795-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/ec4188d8829baef0d12834fd8aa22433-.jpg

A Moment Frozen in Time

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/fdc7543b7ad44f4c9595ddc2f5951be0-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/6922283001a207a2825f740e429a4dc5-.jpg

Starring at the Stars
http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/4759661573a7c06243bb3a0d417ad41f-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/1142bd30c8e1f85319a3d2bcc637e1c5-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/30/31f4eb2b4084934d04a9c52e871f6f0c-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/e258d4142217356bf2014a9e8afaf03b-.jpg

/\ Similar shot design and situation.

Momma's Boy

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/8f8dd0b724b05bf71358034f327233f0-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/42133153d3200e18001ce0104d443602-.jpg

You Expect me to fight THAT Without my Lightsaber?

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/05d25bf4ea89bedd4579ee03ea6c4883-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/8d99752a9611d7c35d9ae935e942c3c9-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/a10dfa4688e52426897113f6d5293f10-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/31737794eb0ad54a464e3aaaab3dcc02-.jpg
That bum Obi-Wan is always hanging around.


http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/5de7c56d4bc3ce2cd2500e1fb667bf60-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/dc6f630559d722a8d9378919d8fa2840-.jpg

This one is interesting, the first shot is the "family" shot, with Anakin who owns 3PO and Padme who owns R2.

It is brightly lit, in contrast to the "seperated family" shot of Padme and 3PO coming to find Anakin and R2, that is dark and red.

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/44c4e1fc9336224e8c9cda399efca131-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/137a56e55fc447be0b134a03b842682e-.jpg

Bad-ass Sith apprentices tend to pace like animals when filled with hate.

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/5f6dee610e06fef16b524da6e2798535-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/7148d0997b7b500b221623a3daf34e91-.jpg

From Apprentice to Master, Obi just keeps on twirlin'.

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/ed41d2d6a99269bee923eec4b2582118-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/8fe051995ec04978e4f4c9a1a14beb25-.jpg

Heaven and Hell?

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/4f2e88d844846cb94fbace163f3e7d68-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/c5ebe89fc9060e55cb484b36194d66a3-.jpg

Vader is born, Vader dies at these locations.

Visual paralell and same situations

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/4291b7ea0d6ad3c3a38168cd4b57f9cf-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/7b1b3b0eb1dfc8c25cf1c6449141335b-.jpg

"I Can Feel Your Anger..."

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/6bba41008113330e42d39f3cf7b224ba-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/45/c64fd3a8a15017c1ced6315c3b82b6b1-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/800x600x1/fa0a3584097421987799e2519b9b6ccc-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/800x600x1/dd11feee403d7b405085c42eca49f4e5-.jpg

I did this one before, but these are better images.

Similar shot design

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/5292/pdvd0049zd.jpg

http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/8672/pdvd0000hc.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/vlcsnap-170784.png

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/7bba8871.jpg

Yoda senses the death of the Jedi, Obi-Wan senses the death of those on Alderaan.
They both place a hand on their heart.



Edit: Sorry for the pic size, damn screencaps!

This isn't a parallell but something that was posted at TF.N. Awesome stuff.

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1767/separatist7nf.jpg

Now look carefully, what does it look like?

Look at the windows.

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1371/picture981oy.jpg

After adding this shot, do you see it?

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/padmeleiajaina/SW%20Images/Vader%20Helmet%20on%20Mustafar.jpg


http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1767/separatist7nf.jpg

See it now?

This is after Anakin has tapped fully into the darkside to kill the seperatists, it is right before we cut to the shot of him on the bridge contemplating the road he's on and crying because he can't change it, and in the story it foreshadows the next major scene where he chokes Padme, fights with Obi-wan, and is injured becoming the Vader in the mask.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/vlcsnap-311113.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/vlcsnap-146320.png

Another parallel of Anakin and Luke I/IV



This one may be a surprise:

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/original/515a8ff8ad064e6e346d47a16f3ee86e-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/original/c6f6159c7152465eaaf1ee31265ccded-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/original/3e231f8ff124e999ca6a0858cbda2837-.jpg

http://africa82.zoto.com/img/original/481bd9aa90ab58aeb29c353582ffa18d-.jpg


Yoda and Sidious are far more alike than originally thought.

ok...I think this is officially stretched beyond recognition.

Why?

Because we've gotten to the point where people running is a parallel.

Originally posted by Alliance
Because we've gotten to the point where people running is a parallel.

Well they are both pre-jedi Skywalkers wearing close to the same thing, doing the same thing, in the first movie of their trilogy.


Just kiddin', that one was more of a visual copy than a thematic parrallel.

But I hope that these are being enjoyed, I have way more to post.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/b908c20c.png

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/africa82/03448361.png

A Jedi Knighted, A Sith Knighted

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/obiwankneels.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b200/WOLVODAVE/OBIWANKNEELSSAME.jpg

Besides paralleling Obi and Ani's journeys, it's another of Yoda and Sidious as the masters doing the same thing.

(sorry for the small pic, I'm looking for a better one.)

Intorduction of the Jedi, Introduction of the Sith

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Jediintro.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Sithintro.png

"Always two there are, no more, no less."

Here's more of Darth Maul and Anakin:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Sithmission1A.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Sithmission2A.png

Sith Apprentices Arrive at their Ordered Destination

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Maul-cloaked.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Vadercloaked1.png

Their Main Objective is completed. (Hiding Nubians found, Hiding Seperatists slaughtered)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Sithmission1C.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Sithmission2C.png

Soon after, a duel! But the Jedi get away. (on Padme's ship both times, no less)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Sithmission1E.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Sithmission2E.png

Not to worry Sith apprentices, you'll have better luck next time you see them.

Its cool you put this together man,


But now your reaching to make a point.

I totally feel like watching Star wars now though.

Next parrallel coming up: people talking to each other.

Oh comn guys. This thread beats 80% of the others in the room by far if nothing else by the beauty of the pictures and the memories they bring. Lay off him already.

Hey, he's doing allright. But we can also discuss whether it is indeed storytelling at its best or lack of imagination and originality.

There are some lovely parrallels indeed... but some are less so.

Originally posted by OB1-adobe
Its cool you put this together man,


But now your reaching to make a point.

I totally feel like watching Star wars now though.

Thanks Adobe, I'll try to make some better ones.Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
Oh comn guys. This thread beats 80% of the others in the room by far if nothing else by the beauty of the pictures and the memories they bring. Lay off him already. Thanks JP. Glad this is being enjoyed.Originally posted by queeq
Hey, he's doing allright. But we can also discuss whether it is indeed storytelling at its best or lack of imagination and originality.

There are some lovely parrallels indeed... but some are less so. Thanks Queeq, and you're right. Theres a BUTLOAD of stuff to pick through, and I've just been posting everything that I came across.

I'll try to be more selective.

Here's a cool one before Christmas break:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/MauldoorsA.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/VaderdoorsA.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/MauldoorsB.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/VaderdoorsB.png

Maul - Anakin... not bad.

I'll give everyone my absolute honest opinion.

You see, I can understand that viusally these movies were done differently than the PT, as it relies on alot of CGI to help make the environments come to life. I'll have no problem admitting that these films were more kid-like than the the older ones. (Put aside the Ewoks, the little creatures in Jabba's Palace, The Sand People) Oh thats right. The OT had its child moements too. GL made these movies "fun". But some people take advantage of the that "fun" and analyze it too seriously. I think the only Star Wars movie that acutally took itself seriously was Empire Strikes Back.

But first we need to realize who George Lucas is. Get ride of all the dialogue, with just nothing but the movie and John Williams heartwarming score, and you'll find that Star Wars is a visual masterpiece. You could follow these films without any dialogue whatsoever, with the aid of John Williams music and George Lucas' visuals. Thats the kind of guy he is. Lack of imagination, you could call it that I guess. However, Lucas did say in the Phantom Menace documentary that everything was a "metaphor" in the sense that Episode 1 has a link to Episode 4 and so on.

Alot of people complain because the PT is way too different than the OT. I think however, this thread goes to prove just how clever Lucas actually was in tieing things togehter, and yet, using symbolism to refer back to the OT. In alot of ways, this goes to show that all the same elements from the OT are still in the PT, and that it's not all that bad. The PT is supposed to bring out that Kid inside of you. I don't see anything wrong with that.

If its a lack of story telling or creativity, well, I don't know really. I mean, Lucas could have turned the Saga into a Matrix thing you know and use a bunch of slow motion, camera rotating movements and such, but he kept the traditional shots from the OT to bring out the same elements. Yeah its the same, nothing new. But sometimes you don't have to fix what isn't broken.

Cool thread Saber...

I'll try one...

...or how 'bout this one...



Creepy

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
I'll try one...

Very nice.

Originally posted by Sith Master X
Get ride of all the dialogue, with just nothing but the movie and John Williams heartwarming score, and you'll find that Star Wars is a visual masterpiece.

Without any characterisation and with pretty pictures, it's not much of a movie, is it? Because that's what you're doing if you take out dialogue: you lose any characterisation and that is exactly what is at fault in the PT.

Besides, I've spoken to a number of DP's who admit that the pictures are beautiful and crispy sharp, but most feel it kinda misses a soul. It's a bit cold and dead... nice CGI, but little life. I agree with them.

I agree with both...these films are without a doubt visual masterpieces...some of the most breathtaking images to ever be put on screen have to belong to the Star Wars franchise. But it's all about the soul.

Some scenes don't have as much soul as others. Seeing the Battle of Hoth in the 80s was just completely other-wordly. Wild imagination, combined with state-of-the-art effects work, to create something that made everyone's jaw drop. You know that effect you see every know again that just makes you smile from ear to ear...that was Hoth in the 80s.

On the other side of the spectrum for me is something like the lightsaber duel in the lava rivers of Mustufar...over 20 years later!!! There was something so artificial looking about it that I couldn't get into the scene and get a feel for the size and scope of what was on screen. It just had no gravity...completely souless...20 years on, you gotta think there should be no excuse.

Exactly my point. In the 70s and early 80s Lucas et al struggled with all the technical and financial limitations and despite of that (or maybe thanks to????) they made these awesome films. Now, with no financial or technical limitations they come up with these visually stunning, but almost soulless films. You know what, I prefer the limitations...

Originally posted by EPIIIBITES
Cool thread Saber...

I'll try one...

Good one! Nice find Bites.

I'd done the Seps and Dooks around the conference table compared to Tarkin and the Govennors around the conference table, but I don't know how I missed that one!





Glad that this thread is being enjoyed, that pics are being seen, and that it's causing discussions.

I'm off for extended Christmas break from work on Tue. but i'll return wed. with a few new updates.

See ya's!

Originally posted by queeq
Exactly my point. In the 70s and early 80s Lucas et al struggled with all the technical and financial limitations and despite of that (or maybe thanks to????) they made these awesome films. Now, with no financial or technical limitations they come up with these visually stunning, but almost soulless films. You know what, I prefer the limitations... Would you like a high five to go with those words of truth?

Sure.

True to my word, I'm back with some more pics.

Here's a funny parralell/copy:

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4116/vlcsnap3451301wx.png

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4195/vlcsnap3482169ty.png

Hmmm....

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/4543/vlcsnap522974xl.png

http://img416.imageshack.us/img416/522/vlcsnap624114we.png

Hmmm....

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9269/vlcsnap3415412du.png

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/636/vlcsnap495623xj.png

Mr. Lars, I presume?

http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/6947/vlcsnap1633451kt.png

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1082/vlcsnap1442224aa.png

(Interesting note, besides the obvious Luke follows Anakin parallels we see where Anakin follows Maul, and the above is just positions but Owen follows the path of Cliegg becoming the gruff farmer, even sitting in his spot.)

Hmmm....

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5713/vlcsnap3351249cs.png

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/1962/vlcsnap1225387fh.png

What about Padme's earmuffs in ROTS... ? Did you show that yet?

Hmmm... not sure. I'll have to go back through the thread to check it out.

Anyways, here's an update for today:

TPM/ROTS duels

Jedi pursuing Sith v.s. Sith pursuing Jedi

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/pursuingSith.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/pursuingJedi.png
Maul is the "Seperatist" being pursued by the Jedi. Obi-Wan is the "Seperatist being pursued by Vader.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/redblueduel1B.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/redblueduel2B.png
Jumping towards Sith; jumping away from Sith.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/maulopena.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/maulopenb.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/vaderopenb.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/vaderopenc.png

Opening Door by Destroying Controls.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/maulopenc.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/vaderopend.png

(It's hard to tell from these pics, but both Obi-Wan and Maul twirl their sabres as they walk through the door, away from their pursuer)

(cont. from above)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/backflipb.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/backflipredb.png
Obi-Wan backflipping out of kick.


Neat, huh?

Battle of the Heroes is even written musically to be like a tragic version of Duel of the Fates. (according to GL, anyways.)


Now Ep3/Ep4 duels:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep3sneak.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep4sneak.png

Obi-Wan sneaking around prior to duels.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep3light.png
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep4light.png
The one handed ignite.

(cont. from above)
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep3low.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep4low.png
They fight.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep3high.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep4high.png

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep3sparka.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Ep4spark.png

The above pic with anakin in the hall also mirrors Vader in the hall of Cloud City with Luke, hitting the walls.

You should've put in Obi's one-handed ignite in TPM too.

Disagreements with the Staff (the next two sets)

Literally:
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/6532/vlcsnap1755458dl.png

http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/775/vlcsnap2658034vm.png

Figuratively:

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/4933/vlcsnap1125414pj.png
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6749/vlcsnap1703021ft.png
Besides the obvious links in dialogue (apprentice apologises after disagreement involving the Council, mentor says kind words about apprentice), it's also significant that this is the last conversation Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have before facing Maul, and the last conversation Obi-Wan and Anakin have before facing each other.



For Rampant Ox:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/crosstaunt.png
"I sense great fear in you Skywalker. You have hate, you have anger. But you don't use them."
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/crossbeg.png
"Oh. You did."

Note the reversal of his facial expression, his head position, and the blade colors.

Not really a parallel, just a progression.

Dooks got pwned.

Anakin's Contemplation


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/vlcsnap-25571.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/vlcsnap-29337.png


The Saga is Bridged

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/vlcsnap-28759.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/parallels/vlcsnap-38456.png

Vader's Saber
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/Dookustyle.png http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e202/TMTOMH999/VaderROTS.png

Nice... quite nice.

cool thread...

Coolish... hehehe

Why thank you, thank you.

Glad that this is being enjoyed... I've got WAY more than what's here, this is probably less than half.


Well, here's a few for today:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-249348.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-253262.png

A nice visual motif, the first and last chapters of the OT begin with the same shot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-268699.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-257277.png

I'd done this one before, but I liked these two images better. Anakin's choice to save a Jedi, with Sith lightning reflected on his face.

Once choice creates an Empire, one ends it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-269651.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-254269.png

"Much anger in him, like his father."

A nice visual where Anakin and Luke are shown slipping into the darkside, but are also shown to still have the good inside.

I like how Anakin is still on the left (the villian's side) and Luke on the right (the hero's side) and the two sides of their faces that are in the light meet in the middle.

Genius!

Skywalker lashes out:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-509961.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-512690.png

^^^"No!" "Never!" Both times they are moved to strike because the person is threatening the safety of a woman they care for.


Palpatines Office

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-740673.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-743954.png

I love these two shots. Almost identical. Night and day, light and dark...sorry I have this obsession with symmetry and duality. I find it fascinating. Everything comes full circle.

The Sith and the Jedi are similar, in almost every way...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-519601.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-517714.png

"You, have lost."

"You are beaten!"

And just for visual fun:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/jerseydude28/Parallels%20II/vlcsnap-520303.png

Another one:

full-screen shot of Sun/clouds on Naboo prior shot of Anakin medatating. (AOTC)

full-screen shot of Sun/clouds on Mustafar prior shot of Anakin medatating. (ROTS)

Where?

I didn't have caps, its just one I remember.

Originally posted by Alliance
I didn't have caps, its just one I remember.

See if I've got that.