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friendship didnt count...

both individuals are very angry....

one on one... brutal fist fight...

who wins ?

Hercules. He's the same as Wonderman but only stronger and a much better fighter.

Herc 9/10

Wonder Man, In guardians he clocked a celestial.

WM is very overrated imo. Who has he actually beat in a fight? Herc. will pound his @ss.

Knocking a Celestial on it's ass isn't noteworthy?

"Guardians of the Galaxy" isent regular Marvel continuity. That i know of.

Marvel still holds it canon since it was the original marvel future and it's characters have inter-acted so much with the present marvel U.

People from different timelines can interact. Just look at "Exiles". I dont know if that automatically makes it canon, tho. Where does the 2099 future fits in? Or Maestro`s Imperfect Future? Or the last Avengers story?

It doesnt matter much. That WonderMan isent the regular one.

Here's a quick tussle...

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Hercules defeated both firelord and the high evoluntionary and he held his onw against the destroyer until thor came and teleported back to asgard.hercules also fought a celestial when a came to take kelvin and hercules did not lose

Your exageratting a bit. He didnt defeated Firelord as much as he humbled him on his ass.

He defeated the HE while in the process of being powered up.

And he fougth the "Celestial Slayer", not *A* im-a-cosmic-god-Celestial.

Originally posted by olympian
People from different timelines can interact. Just look at "Exiles". I dont know if that automatically makes it canon, tho. Where does the 2099 future fits in? Or Maestro`s Imperfect Future? Or the last Avengers story?

It doesnt matter much. That WonderMan isent the regular one.

He's Wonder Man's full potential.

I.e- its not regular Wonder Man. In fact its a Wonder Man or a future displaying a level he never did in the regular Marvel Universe.

"full potencial"- a more powerful version.

Yes but in his Ionic Energy Form I dont see what Herc could really do to him

Hes not ionic anymore. Besides, he could still get physically matched/hurt if one had enough force, couldnt he?

He can still go into Ionic mode, and if hes hurt bad enough, much like Atlas, he automatically goes back to his Ionic form.

I dont recall him being Ionic in CW. Hes surely not even being able to fly on its own in the upcoming "Migthy Avengers" comic.

Hercules still edges him out. Hes got the strength to deal with WM, as well as stamina and raw damage soak. Unless Ionic WM`s got some higher showings, that im not aware of.

I certainly dont agree with the 9/10 posts tho. Its absurd.

Okay, Atlas beat Herc down so bad he gave him brain damage, Wonderman beats the crap out of Atlas all the time.

when atlas beat hercules he was already fighting seven other people and he was drunk plus atlas hit him from the back. didn't you read thunderbolt in which a mortal version of hercules trash the entire team and beat the crap out of atlas almost killing him if not for hawkeye intervention. be up to date and stop giving people the wrong or old informations

Um I think you are greatly over rating his preformance in Thunderbolts and most of the tem wasnt even trying to fight him.

Atlas wasnt trying to fight him he was trying to reason with him.

even atlas admit that hercules was more powerful than him and no the thunderbolts were fighting songbird even said that her best attack were not working and atlas also said that he was fighting to stop a friends her getting hurt maybe you should read it again

No I read it, and for 90% of the battle they were only trying to reason with him and when they were fighting they weren't trying to really hurt him.

Perhaps you need to read it again.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Okay, Atlas beat Herc down so bad he gave him brain damage, Wonderman beats the crap out of Atlas all the time.

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You forgot to mention that Goliath (aka Atlas) had backup, and that Hercules was drugged and drunk.

Originally posted by Starhawk
No I read it, and for 90% of the battle they were only trying to reason with him and when they were fighting they weren't trying to really hurt him.

Perhaps you need to read it again.

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So, Hawkeye was worried with them pulling back?

Moonstone was lying when she said they wer giving it all they had?

Atlas trying to reason with him its one think, saying all Thunderbolts ganged up on a guy and the point was holding back its another. Doesnt make sense.

Lastly Atlas, conceads that Herc is stronger. That doesnt mean he couldnt figth him, but it means Herc edges him out. At least until a new match happens.

Thanks to the RESPEK forum of SHC for the scans.

Wonder-man is much stronger then atlas. Thor has had problems with WOnder-man.

And why wouldnt he? They are both top tiers.

Thor is the stronger of the two, tho. Simon has admited such.

Hercules.
The son of Zeus at full power, could only be damaged within the Olympian dimension.Outside from that he was above any sort of injury, only a godly like being could damage him, and his life force would anyway heal the damage at tremendous speed.

and hercules is stronger than wonderman, he is also more durable, and has superior reflexes and has minor superspeed so wonderman cannot speedblitz him hercules edge wonderman in a lot of places, and don't forget he is invulnerable to physical attack, extreme temperature freeze and heat as well as energy attack

Originally posted by K3VIL
Hercules.
The son of Zeus at full power, could only be damaged within the Olympian dimension.Outside from that he was above any sort of injury, only a godly like being could damage him, and his life force would anyway heal the damage at tremendous speed.
Thats a bit of "handbook powerset"...he has ben hurt by lesser and higher beings, in and outside the Olympian dimension. Like everyone else.

Originally posted by hunbu04
and hercules is stronger than wonderman
Correct.

Originally posted by hunbu04
he is also more durable,
Wonder man tends to have a higher durability against projectiles and the type, and Hercules tends to have a higher damage soak ability.

Originally posted by hunbu04
so wonderman cannot speedblitz him hercules edge wonderman in a lot of places
Wonder Man is faster for sure, at least as far as *straigth flying/running speed* goes. Combat speed? Not so. At least i dont recall him ever doing it, wich seems to imply that he doesnt have both as comparable.

Originally posted by hunbu04
and don't forget he is invulnerable to physical attack, extreme temperature freeze and heat as well as energy attack
If Surtor blasts Hercules, you can belive hes going to feel it. Ditto to Firelord. And those are "heat".

He can feel all those, depending if the attack is powerful enough for his level. This happens with every single character.

Since when does Hercules compare at ALL to Surtur?

Im sorry but Thor has whipped Herc and in his Inonic form he had a hard time dealing with Wondr-man

In which issue did thor beat hercules and if you r going to gave wonderman his most powerful form than while not also give hercules a power up like the version of hercules that almost killed the high evolutionaryin the Evolutionary War when hercules evolved to a level beyond his godhood in which he was able to fire powerful cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

Originally posted by Starhawk
Since when does Hercules compare at ALL to Surtur?

Im sorry but Thor has whipped Herc and in his Inonic form he had a hard time dealing with Wondr-man dude you lost. and heres why.

Your first argument, was that Herc was beat by Atlas, and then someone pointed out that Hercules was drugged and jumped. But then they said herc came back and crushed atlas, and the whole team for a matter of fact. You said they didnt, and that they werent trying nor was Atlas fighting back.

Then it was proved that they were fighting back, and that Hercules dominated Atlas while atlas was trying to beat him.

So then YOU changed your argument from the Atlas thing to....Originally posted by Starhawk
Wonder-man is much stronger then atlas. Thor has had problems with WOnder-man. right there you PwNed yourself.

Originally posted by hunbu04
In which issue did thor beat hercules and if you r going to gave wonderman his most powerful form than while not also give hercules a power up like the version of hercules that almost killed the high evolutionaryin the Evolutionary War when hercules evolved to a level beyond his godhood in which he was able to fire powerful cosmic energy from his eyes and hands

Because Wonderman's Ionic form is something he can turn off and on as he wishes, Herc cannot.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Since when does Hercules compare at ALL to Surtur?

Im sorry but Thor has whipped Herc and in his Inonic form he had a hard time dealing with Wondr-man
And who said he was comparable? Im showing to someone why the handbooks arent reliable with what happens in the comics. I also used the Firelord as an example and its more down to Earth than Surtur.

Your Herc/Thor example to illustrate how Herc would stand less of a chance against WM, arent accurate either. All theyr tussles wer equalish and pretty much stalemates.

herc

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The Prince of Power have owned him in Incredible Hercules, no?

With one shot, when he lost his mind.

He also handled him in Civil War pretty well. That scan does show that under some more popular years, he is capable of looking equal, but that has been, how many years now?

In incredible hercules, wm was trying to calm herc down. though he fought back, it was not 100% since he knows he can take the punishment.

yeah, i know you are trying to give him more credit than he deserves as blacklash for the way he has been written, but i saw him begging Hercules to stop before he used the quinjet, wich isent the same as not figthing back, when the other went marbles.

Before that? Sure. He wasent going for real. But then again neither was Hercules.

Rigth now, its nearly impossible to consider WM being able to give these guys an equal tussle.

Originally posted by Starhawk
Atlas wasnt trying to fight him he was trying to reason with him.

Only until a certain point in the battle.

Plus, he considered Hercules the stronger of the two anyway.

SPITE.

Why pit regular WM against Immortal Herc?
Ionic WM would've been better.

Originally posted by olympian
yeah, i know you are trying to give him more credit than he deserves as blacklash for the way he has been written, but i saw him begging Hercules to stop before he used the quinjet, wich isent the same as not figthing back, when the other went marbles.

Before that? Sure. He wasent going for real. But then again neither was Hercules.

Rigth now, its nearly impossible to consider WM being able to give these guys an equal tussle.

It still seemed like he wasn't serious though. I hate the way they write WM now. I think his best showing was in Avengers/Invaders laughing at the torch.

In my opinion Herc for the vast,vast majority..

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Wonder Man vs. Hulk
Simon takes on the strongest one there is. The fight's inconclusive, but Simon is more than holding his own. Makes use of those h2h abilities that alot of people think he doesn't have.

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Wonder Man vs. Thor
Wonder Man actually outfights and overpowers Thor in this fight. Thor wins with Mjolnir. This fight is one of the reasons i think Simon could take a hammerless Thor the majority of times.

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Fights an adamantium Ultron, and crushes his head.
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When Herc trashed Atlas, he lost his ionic power and was using Pym Particles to grow, so Herc was basically trashing giant man. Not the same as trashing ionized Atlas which is the version Wonderman has beaten many times.

Herc shitstomped Wonderman in his very recent series without breaking a sweat. Hercules ftw.

Originally posted by Bentley
Herc shitstomped Wonderman in his very recent series without breaking a sweat. Hercules ftw. \

Simon did not want to fight him at any point in that fight. Like when WWH beat on Herc. Her hurt him bad, but Herc did not want to fight him and he looked just as bad.

Yea, but WM knew the whole point of him going along was to try and slow Hercules down.

Herc wins

Prince of Power.

Credit to Bran

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they have already fought. Herc owned Wonderman and Ares at the same time.

I think Wonder Man wins 7 out of 10 times.

Simon knocked out the Abomination who is both stronger and more vicious than the Hulk.

He went toe to toe with Count Nefaria who requires the entire Avengers roster to take him on.

A stalemate with the Hulk while he was also under attack by missiles and laser fire.

Wonder Man is also one of the few characters that have ever wielded Mjolnir. I think that is a testament to his warrior spirit and that he could match Hercules intensity in a fight.

As for durablity, I think this is an absolute mis-match in favor of Simon.

He survived being at ground zero for a nega-bomb in Galactic Storm and being driven into a sun by Hyperion.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I think Wonder Man wins 7 out of 10 times.

Simon knocked out the Abomination who is both stronger and more vicious than the Hulk.

He went toe to toe with Count Nefaria who requires the entire Avengers roster to take him on.

A stalemate with the Hulk while he was also under attack by missiles and laser fire.

Wonder Man is also one of the few characters that have ever wielded Mjolnir. I think that is a testament to his warrior spirit and that he could match Hercules intensity in a fight.

As for durablity, I think this is an absolute mis-match in favor of Simon.

He survived being at ground zero for a nega-bomb in Galactic Storm and being driven into a sun by Hyperion.

I think you missed the links I put above.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I think you missed the links I put above.

I actually did see the links but I don't think you have viewed any of the events I pointed to in my statement.

I just tried to post the scans but I get the no links allowed message.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I actually did see the links but I don't think you have viewed any of the events I pointed to in my statement.

I just tried to post the scans but I get the no links allowed message.

Wonder Man surviving being driven into the sun by Hyperion!

I remember WM screaming while in the surface of the sun Thor fights in it's core without discomfort. I don't know much about Herc durability but I know he is as strong as Thor then their durability could also be similar.
There is another passage where a bomb explode and hit Thor and WM, if someone know what happened to both tell me please.
WM once almost knocked Thor out with a punch using all his strength and while Thor was distracted, also there was a fight that Thor was clearly holding back and finished the fight with his hammer otherwise he would need to display more strength in a level that is dangerous for a mortal, you can see that in the end of the fight he is not happy to have knocked out his opponent.

Strength: Thor=Hercules>WM (Simon admitted)

Durability:If Herc durability against energy projection is equal of that of Thor Herc(EP/blunt force)>WM

Fighting skills: Herc>WM

WM has flight advantage that would grant him some victories.
Final: Hecules 7 of 10.

phuck herc! WM for the win.

Simon imho

herc has--literally--one shot abomination. he wins against simon 10/10.

Hercules.

Herc beats the shit out of him. Also simon died by that sun diving from hyperion who was beating the shit out of him too.

Originally posted by leonidas
herc has--literally--one shot abomination. he wins against simon 10/10.
When did herc oneshotted abom?

The feats by WM that makes this fight a decent debate is WM vs. Rulk and how WM fared against Thor.

Originally posted by leonidas
herc has--literally--one shot abomination. he wins against simon 10/10. I like to know when this happened? What comic was it in or do you have scans?

Originally posted by h1a8
I like to know when this happened? What comic was it in or do you have scans?
They could be talking about this :
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But according to one poster at comicvine :

So it was a sucker punch.

Originally posted by zopzop
They could be talking about this :
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But according to one poster at comicvine :

So it was a sucker punch.
Figured.