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This is it. The final battle between the 2 rivals. Naruto vs Sasuke to the death. Everyone has all of there abilities. Who wins this fight to the death?

Sasuke right now.

yep

I would take Naruto. Now with sage mode and Kyuubi mode, he can't be stopped. Sasuke should have died to Deidara, and if not him, then Itachi should have killed him. Naruto beat Kakuzu in first Kyuubi mode, and Sasuke had to turn into 2nd cursed state to beat Deidara. Naruto beats Sasuke this time.

Should have died to Deidara? I guess that is why Deidara could not touch him and Deidara's suicide blast failed huh?

Itachi is ALOT stronger than Naruto.

Sasuke just beat the Eight Tailed Beast in one move. That feat alone>>>Anything Naruto has done.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Should have died to Deidara? I guess that is why Deidara could not touch him and Deidara's suicide blast failed huh?

Itachi is ALOT stronger than Naruto.

Sasuke just beat the Eight Tailed Beast in one move. That feat alone>>>Anything Naruto has done.

Sasuke summoned manda. Sasuke would be dead if he didn't summon manda. FACT.

I know that, I'm just saying though.

Dare him to beat 9 tailed fox in 1 move when the 9 tailed fox's tail shatters mountains. 9 tails>>>>>>8 tails.

Originally posted by Wil7
Sasuke summoned manda. Sasuke would be dead if he didn't summon manda. FACT.

I know that, I'm just saying though.

Dare him to beat 9 tailed fox in 1 move when the 9 tailed fox's tail shatters mountains. 9 tails>>>>>>8 tails. 1. I guess it is a good thing he can summon Manda huh? Sasuke beat Deidara. FACT.

2. Only Naruto cannot use the 9 Tail's full power though. The highest he has been shown to do was 4 tailed, who only destroyed a small section of forest. Wow.

Deidara killed himself in frustration, FACT.

The forest is huge, and that wasn't the 4 tails full power.

Deidera killed himself because Sawsgay nullified 90% of his jutsu, than simpl ybeated through the rest. He was completely out of options.

Deidera died because he lost. That is a fact.

Originally posted by Wil7
Deidara killed himself in frustration, FACT.

The forest is huge, and that wasn't the 4 tails full power. Deidara killed himself because he could not hit Sasuke, and was totally out of options. He was losing, and by failing to kill Sasuke in his suicide bomb, he lost.

Prove and it. It was its best feat. And no, the destruction caused by that blast was not huge, nowhere near what the Eight Tailed did.

Originally posted by Wil7
Sasuke summoned manda. Sasuke would be dead if he didn't summon manda. FACT.

I know that, I'm just saying though.

Dare him to beat 9 tailed fox in 1 move when the 9 tailed fox's tail shatters mountains. 9 tails>>>>>>8 tails.

sasuke had deidara beat by the time he threw the chidori he just wanted to make sure his theory was right that is why he got messed up. if he didnt try to prove his theory he would have won even faster

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Sasuke just beat the Eight Tailed Beast in one move. That feat alone>>>Anything Naruto has done.

Naruto beat Kakuzu in one move.

Then, his entire arm shattered.

Originally posted by yungz22
sasuke had deidara beat by the time he threw the chidori he just wanted to make sure his theory was right that is why he got messed up. if he didnt try to prove his theory he would have won even faster

And Deidara would have killed himself even faster.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Naruto beat Kakuzu in one move.

Then, his entire arm shattered. Who is not as strong as the Eight Tailed.

If Naruto uses it again, he'll lose the ability to use chakra.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx


If Naruto uses it again, he'll lose the ability to use chakra.

That has not been proven yet.

It was directly stated by Tsunade was it not?

Who is a medic-nin, the best in the series, saw the effect the move had on Naruto, and stated it.

I think she probably knows what she is talking about.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
It was directly stated by Tsunade was it not?

Who is a medic-nin, the best in the series, saw the effect the move had on Naruto, and stated it.

I think she probably knows what she is talking about.

She didn't know shit when she said Rock lee would die if he got the surgery, and yet he lived. I know 50-50% chance, but he still lived. I need the manga copy saying that because I can't remember her saying that.

Originally posted by Wil7
She didn't know shit when she said Rock lee would die if he got the surgery, and yet he lived. I know 50-50% chance, but he still lived. I need the manga copy saying that because I can't remember her saying that. She said he had a 50-50 chance, in other words, there was an equal chance that he would live, he got lucky. So...You fail.

You do it in most of your posts.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
Who is not as strong as the Eight Tailed.



According to...?

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
According to...? Well let's look at the facts.

Kirabi was effortlessly holding the upperhand against Suigetsu, Jugo, and Sasuke(notice I didn't mention Karin, who hasn't done shit but sense and heal people), he was even able to escape Tsukiyomi, because he is in perfect harmony with his beast, moreso than any seen in the series so far. Hell...He was able to write down rap rhymes while fighting.

He is faster than Kakuzu, able to strike and nearly kill Sasuke, who has the Mangekyo Sharingan, and is at least as fast as Lee.

He is physically very strong, able to block Suigetsu's sword with ease and disarm him just as easily, and then easily defeated Jugo.

His style is unpredictable, able to wield 7 swords at once with great efficiency, and as I mentioned fatally wounded Sasuke, if it were not for Karin, he would be dead.

Kirabi is able to channel chakra into his blades like Sasuke does with Chidori Current, and even overpowered Sasuke's Chidori Current with it.

As a full Eight Tailed form, in one blast he was able to do more destruction than any other character in the series so far(besides Deidara's suicide blast and the Kyuubi), he blasted the entire environment around him to shit.

First of all, Kakuzu had I think two of his hearts already destroyed, and was not in top form when Naruto beat him. Still a good feat though.

Kakuzu though fast, is not on par with Kirabi in that regard, who outmaneuvered and beat a Mangekyo user(before you bring up Kakashi, for some queer reason his Mangekyo was not activated when he fought Kakuzu).

Kakuzu has not shown the same destructive power as the Eight Tailed.

Kakuzu though strong, is not as strong as Kirabi IMO.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
It was directly stated by Tsunade was it not?

Who is a medic-nin, the best in the series, saw the effect the move had on Naruto, and stated it.

I think she probably knows what she is talking about.
wasnt choji supposed to die from taking all those power pills? but he didnt, no.

by her, the chance that rock lee was supposed to "live" when he got injured was extremely low, but he did anyways.

even if he did use it again he would find some bullshit "way" to use his chakra again, just like every other character.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
wasnt choji supposed to die from taking all those power pills? but he didnt, no.

Did she state that?



Him living doesn't change the fact that it was still an extremely risky operation.

Originally posted by NonSensi-Klown
Did she state that?



Him living doesn't change the fact that it was still an extremely risky operation.



1. no, but then again it doesnt take a genius to know what would kill him and what wouldnt. a doctor never told me that taking 100 tylenols in 5 minutes would kill me, but i already know that.

2. "risky" to them, but not to the watchers of naruto. i knew that they would never let rock lee die, it was pretty obvious. All the time in naruto when someone would get a "fatal" injury, they would some dramatic line and then somehow they would be healed in some stupid way. letting tsunade would come up with some "idea" if naruto was not able to use chakra anymore.

... so what does that have to do with Tsunade's credibility? Everything she has said so far has yet to be disputed.



... so what does this have to do with Tsunade's credibility? Everything she has said so far has yet to be disputed.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
wasnt choji supposed to die from taking all those power pills? but he didnt, no.

by her, the chance that rock lee was supposed to "live" when he got injured was extremely low, but he did anyways.

even if he did use it again he would find some bullshit "way" to use his chakra again, just like every other character. And Tsunade did not state that he would, so her credibility as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, medic-nins in Naruto is not tarnished.

It was a 50% chance, and Lee got lucky. She said there was a chance he would live, and he did.

Sure he would.

You make good points k1Lla441. Naruto would find a way to use his chakra. Choji did survive. Oh, the doctors said lee wouldn't fight again, and yet he did.

Originally posted by Wil7
You make good points k1Lla441. Naruto would find a way to use his chakra. Choji did survive. Oh, the doctors said lee wouldn't fight again, and yet he did. How would Naruto make himself able to use chakra again? HUMOR me.

Tsunade did not state it, so that is irrelevant to this discussion.

and then Tsunade said there was a 50% chance she could save him.

Originally posted by Dark-Jaxx
How would Naruto make himself able to use chakra again? HUMOR me.

Tsunade did not state it, so that is irrelevant to this discussion.

and then Tsunade said there was a 50% chance she could save him.

He would end up finding a way. That is why they call the show "Naruto" and if they didn't and he used it again, that would end the show.

It doesn't matter if she didn't state it. Choji knows all about the food pills and he knew he could have died. Tsunade got lucky, saving him.

The doctors said he wouldn't fight again, and yet he is fighting.

And NONE of that affects Tsuande's credibility as a doctor. Everything she has said MEDICALLY, has yet to be contradicted.

Originally posted by Wil7
He would end up finding a way. That is why they call the show "Naruto" and if they didn't and he used it again, that would end the show.

It doesn't matter if she didn't state it. Choji knows all about the food pills and he knew he could have died. Tsunade got lucky, saving him.

The doctors said he wouldn't fight again, and yet he is fighting. Unfounded and stupid. GTFO.

Which does not affect Tsunade's medical credibility at all.

Read above.

You're not very smart are you?

Naruto is easily better than Sasuke now.

no point in people bring up Kirabi. He had Sasuke beat twice before he went eight tails. First Karin healed him. Second he was fused with that giant dudes (can't remember his nam atm) curse seal. He would've died both those time. Not to mention he pretended to lose in order to escape from the village and get a break from defending it. If anything it shows how much weaker Sasuke is than Itachi in his prime.

i'd say naruto would beat sasuke. some of you seem to have forgotten that itachi also gave naruto some of his power. oh yeah, i'm new too. Hi.

Naruto would beat the tar out of Sasuke now

Originally posted by Naija boy
Naruto would beat the tar out of Sasuke now unless kishimoto gives Sasuke some gay ass powerup to save his ass

Sasuke genjutsu rapes. Naruto is getting soo much hype

Originally posted by danteiscool
i'd say naruto would beat sasuke. some of you seem to have forgotten that itachi also gave naruto some of his power. oh yeah, i'm new too. Hi.

true dat. Itachi gave Naruto some Sharingan ability or something. You all know the two are going to fight again in the near future. Naruto wins the rematch.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
no point in people bring up Kirabi. He had Sasuke beat twice before he went eight tails. First Karin healed him. Second he was fused with that giant dudes (can't remember his nam atm) curse seal. He would've died both those time. Not to mention he pretended to lose in order to escape from the village and get a break from defending it. If anything it shows how much weaker Sasuke is than Itachi in his prime. Actually it was heavenly implied Sasuke was holding back, injured before the fight started and having difficulty controling his new MS which he didn't know what to do with after he casted Ammy. Meanwhile, Kirabi was bloodlusted and wanting to kill Sasuke and his team to go and get some whiskey. If Sasuke was fighting to kill, fully healthy and truly preped, Kira Bee would be done for because it's proven Sasuke has the jutsu's to kill killer bee but he had to capture him and holding back killing so that he could deliver him to akatsuki. Itachi beat Naruto with a crow and soloed Kakashi. Itachi is near Madara and Pain's level, you can't compare Sasuke at this point of the manga since Itachi was way above everyone even Killer Bee when he was still alive.

The fact he said Sasuke was his strongest opponent and almost got burned by Ammey which he had to hide in the water which made him lost the fight proves Sasuke is stronger than Bee any day.

This is my two cents.

Anyway Sasuke won't win against Naruto at this point. SM is near Pain's level and unless Sasuke has similar fears to Naruto, he's got no chance.

Kirabi said that he used the fight as an excuse to escape. He pretended to lose. Also it wasn't implied that he was injured before the fight. He might not have been trying to kill Kirabi but I can hardly say that Kirabi was going all out either. and besides Sasuke would have died twice without help. One on one without his teammates Sasuke is hardlly Kirabi's level. Itachi is hardly near Madara's level or he wouldn't call him an unstoppable immortal. Kirabi was stopping to make rhymes in the middle of the fight so i doubt he was going all out in the beginning. and I'd say that Kirabi was much stronger than the pre-SM Naruto that Itachi fought.

At the moment Sasuke would Genjutsu-rape Naruto. To my knowledge Naruto hasn't gotten any better at blocking Genjutsu since Itachi curb-stomped him with it. Naruto's a better fighter at this point (though I can't see how he would stop the black flames short of clones), but loses due to this.

Unless Naruto gets the frogs to help him with the illusions of course.

*Yawn* I've seen one mistake in reading the posts. Sasgay did NOT beat the 8 tailed beast. The guys lived. And the power had yet to be harnessed. He escaped with his life and by the way he was acting, hardly even touched. Sasgay nearly died from it all. So, in fact, I seriously doubt the Sasgay could hurt Naruto. Not only has he matured more so than ever before, but also, he has better control over is Chakra and Jutsus. So, therefore, Naruto would wipe his ass with sasgay. End of Paragraph.

Originally posted by The Red
*Yawn* I've seen one mistake in reading the posts. Sasgay did NOT beat the 8 tailed beast. The guys lived. And the power had yet to be harnessed. He escaped with his life and by the way he was acting, hardly even touched. Sasgay nearly died from it all. So, in fact, I seriously doubt the Sasgay could hurt Naruto. Not only has he matured more so than ever before, but also, he has better control over is Chakra and Jutsus. So, therefore, Naruto would wipe his ass with sasgay. End of Paragraph. He one shotted the Hachibi and was screaming in pain. He hid because Amatersu had him dead for rights. It shows Kirabi's cowardice than skill. And Sasuke has MS, which means he has the abilty to summon Susanoo and nullify Naruto's Sage Mode useless. Naruto is still weak at genjutsu and Sasuke is still marginally faster. I say Naruto is finally catching up to Sasuke, equal to his power.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
Kirabi said that he used the fight as an excuse to escape. He pretended to lose.

You punks ain't goin' nowhere, not after I went all out!

He wanted to kill them all.

He admitted he would have been burned if Sasuke didn't put out that flames and did a kiwimari.

KB: Not bad for a desperation move, not bad at all.

Oh and he was hiding so that the raikage wouldn't find him and akatsuki would capture him, he didn't trick anyone. He was lucky because Sasuke almost fried his ass but stopped, he took advantage.



Juugo: Your a lot worse for the wear now, Sasuke.
Without Orochimaru's curse seal,
your body still hasn't recovered from your fight with Itachi.

Sasuke: Yeah...
I didn't think I would have to take things so far...

Sasuke was hurt before the fight begun.
Itachi would have beaten Kriabi with ease, Sasuke due to his handicapped was unfortunate. And Sasuke wasn't going all out in the begining either, he didn't even have his sharigan activated. Probably. Either way, they had to capture the Hachibi without killing him, which is harder than axtually killing him. Sasuke could beaten the guy with Ammy and killed him. It's that simple. But they had to capture the guy. But failed because of Sasuke's MS powers going haywire.

Naruto is fighting with the frogs in sage mode and they can break him out of any genjutsu not to mention Narutos chakra control is on another l Sasuke can use save probably Tsukuyumi and given his skill level he wont get caught in that anyways. Not to mention that narutos chakra control is on another level now so he can probably break out of any genjutsu save tsukuyumi himself.

Look Naruto is the main character so he would win, period. He would find a way to win I guarantee it. Pain was supposedly invincible cause of his ability to blast things away from him and being connected to all the other Pains and whatnot, and NARUTO STILL BEAT HIM. Sasukes just an overrated cry baby. Wanting more power and all that BS. Sasuke always thinks he can beat somebody and when he fights them he ends up getting pwnd. Ex. Itachi, if Itachi wasnt sick he would have rammed sasuke into the ground. And saying that Sasuke has Chidori is not a very good argument because Naruto's rasengan would pwn the crap out of chidori. As for Sasukes precious sharingan, I dont think the genjutsus would work on Naruto. Because when Sasuke used the genjutsu on Killer Bee it didnt work and Killer Bee endedup pwning him which was pretty funny. So, if it didnt work on killer bee because he was able to switch himself out with the kyuubi, it definetly wouldnt work on Naruto. Besides, if Killer Bee gave Sasuke that much trouble, then Naruto would own the crap out of Sasuke. NARUTO RULES, GET OVER IT.

Tell that to the valley of the end.

Naruto won at valley of the end. ermm

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Naruto won at valley of the end. ermm

?

When Sasuke walked off and Naruto laid there until Kakashi showed up?

Aye, he threw the fight to make a point.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Aye, he threw the fight to make a point. That's true he did. O:

Randomly noticed this page while surfing, pretty cool

Anyway, http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v20/c175/7.html


http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v26/c233/9.html

Ossum. Naruto used to be so good. EVen in manga format.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Aye, he threw the fight to make a point.

If he threw the fight, he didn't win. kruemelmonsteryn0

Depends on what his goal was. 313

The only reason Sasuke won at the valley of the end was b/c the writers wanted it that way. If sasuke didnt win and he was just taken back by naruto the storyline would have been all messed up. I'd like to see Sasuke take Naruto in Shippuden. Naruto is way more bad ass in Shippuden than when he was in the old episodes. Like I said, SASUKE=POO, NARUTO=WHOO!

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Randomly noticed this page while surfing, pretty cool

Anyway, http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v20/c175/7.html


http://www.mangafox.com/manga/naruto/v26/c233/9.html

Ossum. Naruto used to be so good. EVen in manga format.

The page before that where Sasuke decided to punch Naruto instead of using full chidori power on him is missing from your post.

They both would have died.

But Sasuke also accomplished his goal and managed to walk away instead of being carried. So he was the victor because shut up.

Your mother is highly promiscuous, your argument is invalid.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Your mother is highly promiscuous, your argument is invalid.

That's what I'd say too if I couldn't give a real argument.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The page before that where Sasuke decided to punch Naruto instead of using full chidori power on him is missing from your post.

They both would have died.

But Sasuke also accomplished his goal and managed to walk away instead of being carried. So he was the victor because shut up.

yea sasuke could have killed naruto but he chose to close his fist at the last second

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Depends on what his goal was. 313

His goal was to bring Sasuke back to Konoha, so he still lost and failed. 131

bee killed sasuke like 12 times (give or take), and faked his loss to troll sasuke's fandom.

Originally posted by narutoisthebest
The only reason Sasuke won at the valley of the end was b/c the writers wanted it that way.


That applies to everything that happens in the manga period. Kishimoto decided Sasuke's determination and cursed seal made him stronger at that point in time.


Both could've killed the other in a mutual death if they hadn't held back at the very end, but doing what they did, almost mirror attacks, Naruto was out and Sasuke was not.

Hmmm

Calling The Valley of the End a tie aside(it wasn't), let's look.

Shippuden Naruto < Shippuden Sasuke.
Sage Naruto < MS Sasuke (Arguable)

Current Naruto is stronger than MS Sasuke but we haven't seen him do anything with his new EMS. So, have to wait for a Sasuke arc.

SO in the long run we cant really rely on the fight with the eight tails and sasuke. Why?
1. sasuke didnt really want to kill him just maybe injure, so he could capture him. So intentions was to never go all out!
2. Hachabi wanted to lose in the first place but didnt want to make it seem like it was a kick to forhead and he was down.
because of this we cant really compare eventhough sasuke got his ass kicked!

Also for the deidara case! Okay yes if sasuke wanted to just kill in the first place he wouldve raped his ass But sasuke wanted to prove something. In the end sasuke and deidara were out of chakra and ended kinda in a tie. diedara last move was blow him self up and sasuke was summoning!

Yes, yes, thats all very well and true but we're not talking about the fight at the Valley of the End. This is the fight of all fights, Naruto vs Sasuke, in Shippuden! This is my opinion and I will back it up with my life, Naruto would definetly win this fight. Why? Because Naruto has way more determination and endurance than Sasuke will ever have. Narutos goals and intentions are pure whereas Sasukes are only for his benefit not for the benefit of others. Naruto would risk his life for his friends and for the world. Thats what makes Naruto a better ninja overall, not to mention his killer ninjutsu that would tear Sasuke to shreds. All Sasuke does is rely on his eyes. Cut those out and hes SCREWED!

Cutting out someone's eyes in combat is not an easy thing.

Not when they're protected by Susano'o... and the whole speed-combined-with-precog thing.

And no, Sasuke was going all out on Killer Bee. Killer Bee was just proving too much for Sasuke to handle. I mean, 8 swords! Sasukes sharingan could barely keep up with Hachibi's master swordsmanship. Come on, seriously, Killer Bee mortally wounded Sasuke twice during that fight. If it wasn't for Karin Sasuke would be cold dead. PCE!

I have no doubt Naruto would find a way around Susanoo. He beat Pain and everyone said he was unbeatable. Narutos strategy making is on par with Shikamarus so, once again, I have no doubt Naruto would get around Susanoo.

Originally posted by narutoisthebest
Narutos strategy making is on par with Shikamarus so, once again, I have no doubt Naruto would get around Susanoo.

Completely false statement right there. Shikamaru is far better than Naruto at strategy. Naruto is just...wild. In a trickster kind of way.

He'll probably hit susano'o with a big attack and break it. Tends to be how things work.

Also, Sasuke beat Deidera fair and square people. >_>

Theres nothing really wrong with Naruto's strategies so far. His strategies have worked very well for him so far every time hes faced an opponent. Yeah Sasuke beat Deidara fair and square and no Sasuke wasnt messing with Deidara either. Earlier I read something someone posted on here saying that Sasuke was just toying with Deidara and he could have finished the fight whenever he wanted to. Wheres your proof of that? Seems to me Deidara was acting as a tough opponent to Sasuke and if Sasuke could have just finished him in a split sec. why did he need to go into curse mode? hmmm

Originally posted by zslick
SO in the long run we cant really rely on the fight with the eight tails and sasuke. Why?
1. sasuke didnt really want to kill him just maybe injure, so he could capture him. So intentions was to never go all out!
2. Hachabi wanted to lose in the first place but didnt want to make it seem like it was a kick to forhead and he was down.
because of this we cant really compare eventhough sasuke got his ass kicked!

Also for the deidara case! Okay yes if sasuke wanted to just kill in the first place he wouldve raped his ass But sasuke wanted to prove something. In the end sasuke and deidara were out of chakra and ended kinda in a tie. diedara last move was blow him self up and sasuke was summoning!

Yeah, the fight between Kirabi and Sasuke isn't a completely reliable indicator, other than to establish the fact that Kirabi was one of the strongest ninja around.

For one, Sasuke was still recuperating from his fight with Itachi, and the only MS tech he had was Tsukiyomi, which did not do much in the long run.
For another, Kirabi was pretty much just screwing around in the intial stages, and he was fighting against three ninja. Though once he got excited, he fully released the Eight Tails, which quickly got pwned by Amaterasu.
In any case, the fight proves that Kirabi is one strong mofo, and that Sasuke can pwn Tailed Beasts. awesome

Sasuke was not out of chakra in his fight against Deidara. He could never have summoned Manda (who is one of the largest summons in the manga) had he been out of chakra.
Deidara only thought Sasuke was out of chakra, and Deidara does not have a Doujutsu. Ergo, Deidara was simply wrong.

Originally posted by narutoisthebest
And no, Sasuke was going all out on Killer Bee. Killer Bee was just proving too much for Sasuke to handle. I mean, 8 swords! Sasukes sharingan could barely keep up with Hachibi's master swordsmanship. Come on, seriously, Killer Bee mortally wounded Sasuke twice during that fight. If it wasn't for Karin Sasuke would be cold dead. PCE!

Indeed he was far too much for Sasuke to handle alone. Though on the flip-side, Kirabi would be too much for Naruto as well.
Base Naruto would get pwned so quickly and so easily by Kirabi, it would be lulzy. Sage Mode Naruto evens the playing field, but if Deva can take shots from SM Naruto, Kirabi likely can as well.

Also no, Kirabi only mortally wounded Sasuke once. The first time he hurt Sasuke, Kirabi noticed the fact that it wasn't a fatal wound, thanks to Sasuke running a Raiton through his body. Of course, Sasuke was still heavily wounded by the sword stabs, but he wasn't mortally/fatally wounded like you and others think. kruemelmonsteryn0

Originally posted by narutoisthebest
I have no doubt Naruto would find a way around Susanoo. He beat Pain and everyone said he was unbeatable. Narutos strategy making is on par with Shikamarus so, once again, I have no doubt Naruto would get around Susanoo.

Naruto's 'strategy making' is on par with Shikamaru's? Are you high?
Naruto has never used a strategy the way Shikamaru does. No one has. Naruto uses tactics instead.

Naruto's tactical skills are among the best, but then again, so are Sasuke's. So even if Naruto finds a way around Susano'o, Sasuke will likely be able to find a counter. Danzo using his Baku to slow down Susano'o is a shining example.
Of course, this is assuming Naruto isn't destroying it with a tech, which thanks to PIS, could happen.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Hmmm

Calling The Valley of the End a tie aside(it wasn't), let's look.

Shippuden Naruto < Shippuden Sasuke.
Sage Naruto < MS Sasuke (Arguable)

Current Naruto is stronger than MS Sasuke but we haven't seen him do anything with his new EMS. So, have to wait for a Sasuke arc.

Dude, it isn't arguable. Naruto himself admitted he couldn't beat a near-blind Sasuke. super13
You think Sage Mode will cover the gap between a near-blind Sasuke and MS Sasuke?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
bee killed sasuke like 12 times (give or take), and faked his loss to troll sasuke's fandom.

And then Kirabi got repeatedly pwned by Kisame, who faked his loss to troll Kirabi's & Raikage's fandom.

Naruto is better at everything, but Susanoo would give him lots of trouble.

Originally posted by narutoisthebest
And no, Sasuke was going all out on Killer Bee. Killer Bee was just proving too much for Sasuke to handle. I mean, 8 swords! Sasukes sharingan could barely keep up with Hachibi's master swordsmanship. Come on, seriously, Killer Bee mortally wounded Sasuke twice during that fight. If it wasn't for Karin Sasuke would be cold dead. PCE! Sasuke was weakened in that fight before it happened, and no Sasuke wasn't serious in that fight until after he got stabbed.

So you're saying he wasnt serious? So can you please explain to me what he did when he became "serious". All he did was try to use the mangekyou, twice I might add b/c the first time it didnt work. So technically Bee did whup him b/c he withstood his mangekyou and his amaterasu and stil escaped.

To Demonic Pheonix: I admit maybe I made a mistake saying Naruto's strategy making was as good as Shikamarus, but you have to admit, it is pretty good. Naruto has faced many people who were supposedly "super strong", but in the end, thanks to his planning he came out on top. And even if Sasuke was weakened in the fight with Hachibi, he still had Jugo and Suigetsu backing him up and Hachibi still pwned them all. And while Hachibi did get pwned by Kisame it was only because of Samehada stealing away all of Hachibi's chakra. But Kisame did get whupped by Guy so yeah haha..

Originally posted by narutoisthebest
To Demonic Pheonix: I admit maybe I made a mistake saying Naruto's strategy making was as good as Shikamarus, but you have to admit, it is pretty good. Naruto has faced many people who were supposedly "super strong", but in the end, thanks to his planning he came out on top. And even if Sasuke was weakened in the fight with Hachibi, he still had Jugo and Suigetsu backing him up and Hachibi still pwned them all. And while Hachibi did get pwned by Kisame it was only because of Samehada stealing away all of Hachibi's chakra. But Kisame did get whupped by Guy so yeah haha..

Naruto doesn't plan out a grand scheme for a battle beforehand, so he doesn't employ strategy, and neither is he good at it. facepalm2 But meh, I'm just nitpicking, and it is besides the point.

The point is that yes, Naruto is good at coming up with tactics in the middle of a battle, and he mainly employs deception. However, Sasuke is also good at coming up with tactics in battle. I can't remember how the small skirmish with Kakuzu went down, but based on his battle with Naruto and Jiraiya, Pain wasn't a tactical genius like Sasuke.

Yes, Kirabi pwned them all, but he would have pwned Naruto as well. Naruto's only chance is to go Sage Mode in a battle against Kirabi, or use his new Kyuubi chakra form.

Kisame got whupped by a Gai that had opened 7 Gates. In that form, Gai could whup nearly anyone.
Even then, Kisame only got whupped because Gai used a massive-scale attack that wasn't composed of chakra.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Dude, it isn't arguable. Naruto himself admitted he couldn't beat a near-blind Sasuke. super13
You think Sage Mode will cover the gap between a near-blind Sasuke and MS Sasuke?

That's just Naruto being emo.

I think Sasuke takes him with one genjutsu. But I don't feel like fighting over it. Sage Mode Naruto has a lot of fans.

Are you not counting the sage-clones he used in his fight with Pein?

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
That's just Naruto being emo.

I think Sasuke takes him with one genjutsu. But I don't feel like fighting over it. Sage Mode Naruto has a lot of fans.

His words > yours. uhuh

Even though in base form, Naruto's genjutsu resistance is shitty at best, in Sage Mode, his resistance is likely much better. Plus if the Elders are with him, he's got a way to get out of genjutsu.

Of course, if Tsukiyomi is that one genjutsu...there's always Itachi's crow. awesome

Originally posted by Nephthys
Are you not counting the sage-clones he used in his fight with Pein?

Does that actually fall under strategy? If it somehow does, it still isn't much of a noteworthy one. It's simply Naruto coming up with a way to overcome his particular weakness in Sage Mode, and it could be used for any battle. Not to mention, he got the idea from his previous experience with Kakashi, and Fukusaku was the one who sparked the idea.

It's somewhat comparable to Sasuke recruiting a team to deal with any intruders while he fights Itachi.

naruto gains full control over the nine tails and is able to go to the ninetails form without losing control.