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Mad Jim Jaspers(Earth 616) runs the gauntlet.How far does he go?

1.Savage Hulk
2.Doomsday
3.Dr Strange w/1 Hour Prep
4.Rune King Thor
5.Surtur/Ymir/Imperiex
6.Mageddon
7.Korvac
8.Galactus
9.Celestials
10.Anti-Monitor
11.Emperor Joker
12.Lucifer Morningstar


p.s if i messed up this gauntlet,then feel free to fix it

Originally posted by Modt
Mad Jim Jaspers(Earth 616) runs the gauntlet.How far does he go?

1.Savage Hulk
2.Doomsday
3.Dr Strange w/1 Hour Prep
4.Rune King Thor
5.Surtur/Ymir/Imperiex
6.Mageddon
7.Korvac
8.Galactus
9.Celestials
10.Anti-Monitor
11.Emperor Joker
12.Lucifer Morningstar


p.s if i messed up this gauntlet,then feel free to fix it

he ain't warping celestials

Why is Imperiex below the Celestials?

Because all the Celestials COMBINED are more powerful than Imperiex.
It wasn't a single Celestial.

Originally posted by Modt
Because all the Celestials COMBINED are more powerful than Imperiex.
It wasn't a single Celestial.
Could they destroy the Universe?

Originally posted by Modt
Because all the Celestials COMBINED are more powerful than Imperiex.
It wasn't a single Celestial.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Could they destroy the Universe?

stops at eleven, but maybe even passes that...

Originally posted by King Kandy
stops at eleven, but maybe even passes that...

Surtur w/Twilight or Casket of Ancient Winters is a good match. Galactus with the UN also

I belive he passes (at least the 616th version)

10.Anti-Monitor - MJJ was a omniversal warper, this would surpass Anti-Monitor, which could only destroy a Multiverse.
11.Emperor Joker - Emperor Joker warped one universe, I belive MJJ would be greater.
12.Lucifer Morningstar - Lucifer would be a bit of a problem, but since he don't have Michael's power, he wouldent be able to make any major differances.

stops at the hulk

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I belive he passes (at least the 616th version)

10.Anti-Monitor - MJJ was a omniversal warper, this would surpass Anti-Monitor, which could only destroy a Multiverse.
11.Emperor Joker - Emperor Joker warped one universe, I belive MJJ would be greater.
12.Lucifer Morningstar - Lucifer would be a bit of a problem, but since he don't have Michael's power, he wouldent be able to make any major differances.

You are kidding right most of these guys are raw in power all they need to do is chuck him outside the universe and his done, Lucifer has managed to step outside the universe dozens of time so he would murder him.

Originally posted by Supreme being
You are kidding right most of these guys are raw in power all they need to do is chuck him outside the universe and his done,

It's not that simple.

Jaspers can survive outside the Universe just like any other who can.

Jaspers' weakness is Un-Space,

Un-Space is an area that has been nullified,

or where there is absolutely NO Reality of any kind.



His opponent would first have to figure that out,

then his opponent would have to know a destination where there is NO Reality,

then his opponent would have to be able to teleport him there.


The Fury is the ultimate at adapting,

if you have a weakness the Fury will learn and exploit,

the Fury's teleportation capabilities increased dramatically after his arrival,

the Fury KNEW of Un-Space because the Fury was there when Universe 238,

was Nullified,

the Fury was there and survived.

The only one who may match Jaspers is Lucifer but I doubt about him possessing the raw power to win the fight. I hope someone can shed some light on that.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's not that simple.

Jaspers can survive outside the Universe just like any other who can.

Jaspers' weakness is Un-Space,

Un-Space is an area that has been nullified,

or where there is absolutely NO Reality of any kind.



His opponent would first have to figure that out,

then his opponent would have to know a destination where there is NO Reality,

then his opponent would have to be able to teleport him there.


The Fury is the ultimate at adapting,

if you have a weakness the Fury will learn and exploit,

the Fury's teleportation capabilities increased dramatically after his arrival,

the Fury KNEW of Un-Space because the Fury was there when Universe 238,

was Nullified,

the Fury was there and survived.

Are you saying that MJJ has power outside of creation a place Lucifer has visited and is no stranger to. MJJ is a reality manipulator if there's nothing to manipulate his powerless leaving Lucifer to rip him to shreds

Nobody short of the Anti-Monitor is gonna stop him. He might get past him, but Emperor Joker will stop him. Lucifer for sure.

The Joker has not enough experience with his powers and won't figure out how to kill Jaspers.

Originally posted by Supreme being
Are you saying that MJJ has power outside of creation a place Lucifer has visited and is no stranger to. MJJ is a reality manipulator if there's nothing to manipulate his powerless leaving Lucifer to rip him to shreds

RIght,

but outside a Universe does not necessarily equate to "no reality."

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jaspers wins or loses,

simply stating that Jaspers only weakness is Un-Space,

and Un-Space is a specific locale,

not just a place that's reached by stepping out of a Universe.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nobody short of the Anti-Monitor is gonna stop him. He might get past him, but Emperor Joker will stop him. Lucifer for sure.

I would say Joker stalemates him until Jaspers' power expands beyond his.

Joker warped a Universe and so did Jaspers.

But Jaspers' power continues to increase exponentially.

Originally posted by guy222
he ain't warping celestials

Lucifer has transported to NOTHINGNESS... also...
http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7879/lucifer75p39kb6.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
RIght,

but outside a Universe does not necessarily equate to "no reality."

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Jaspers wins or loses,

simply stating that Jaspers only weakness is Un-Space,

and Un-Space is a specific locale,

not just a place that's reached by stepping out of a Universe.

I didn't say outside a universe but outside of creation a feat which Lucifer has managed to pull numerous times, its without a doubt he would be powerless once taken to such a location.

Lucifer would stop him. Imperiex belongs right after the Celestials, hes way more powerful then Mageddon

Originally posted by Supreme being
I didn't say outside a universe but outside of creation a feat which Lucifer has managed to pull numerous times, its without a doubt he would be powerless once taken to such a location.

Is that a common maneuver for Lucifer during battle,

to teleport his opponents to UN-Space?

Or are you using that as his method because You (the reader)

know about Jaspers' weakness?


If Lucifer is ignorant about Jaspers' kryptonite (Un-Space), which he should be,

how would he know?


It took the Fury a lengthy battle to figure that out,

and the Fury is Marvel's most adaptive capable character.

In fact, that Fury's ultimate power is, to adapt, learn and exploit.


And again, I'm not saying who wins,

I just don't see Luc winning with the Un-Space routine.

And yet, I don't think Jaspers can dish out enough damage to hurt a being who can stand at ground zero of a big bing and not even be fazed.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is that a common maneuver for Lucifer during battle,

to teleport his opponents to UN-Space?

Or are you using that as his method because You (the reader)

know about Jaspers' weakness?


If Lucifer is ignorant about Jaspers' kryptonite (Un-Space), which he should be,

how would he know?


It took the Fury a lengthy battle to figure that out,

and the Fury is Marvel's most adaptive capable character.

In fact, that Fury's ultimate power is, to adapt, learn and exploit.


And again, I'm not saying who wins,

I just don't see Luc winning with the Un-Space routine. You do realize that Lucifer is one of the smartest beings in comics...ermm

He is also more powerful, durible, etc, than Jaspers.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And yet, I don't think Jaspers can dish out enough damage to hurt a being who can stand at ground zero of a big bing and not even be fazed.

Jaspers can withstand Nullification, the stuff that erases Universes from existence.

So I guess they can't hurt each other.


Jaspers' power, even while still confined to one Universe,

is FAR more than one Universe.


This is why Merlin, who could have crushed the Multiverse with a whim,

was un-able to stop Jaspers.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
You do realize that Lucifer is one of the smartest beings in comics...

Intelligence does not = I know everything.

Merlin, the Omniversal Guardian,

the power of the Multiverse and beyond in his fingertips didn't know.

Merlin only knew that Fury would find a way.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
He is also more powerful, durible, etc, than Jaspers.

If Merlin who has the power to,

reversed a Multiversal collapse,

rebuild a Multiverse,

create a Multiverse,

create a Citidel that can destroy Universes,

create a weapon that can erase any Universe in the Omniverse,

manipulate MultiverseS,


CAN'T stop Jaspers, why would Lucifer who's done nothing greater?

Gets to Emperor Joker.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Intelligence does not = I know everything.

Merlin, the Omniversal Guardian,

the power of the Multiverse and beyond in his fingertips didn't know.

Merlin only knew that Fury would find a way.



If Merlin who has the power to,

reversed a Multiversal collapse,

rebuild a Multiverse,

create a Multiverse,

create a Citidel that can destroy Universes,

create a weapon that can erase any Universe in the Omniverse,

manipulate MultiverseS,


CAN'T stop Jaspers, why would Lucifer who's done nothing greater?

So . . . then you're saying Fury >>>> The Omniverse?

Stalemate at 12.

Celestials could refer to the entire race or a few

Even Scathan

Scathan doesn't Approve. Sorry Jim

gets to 11-12

anywhere between 9 & 11 he gets stopped, if for some reason he makes it to Lucifer, he gets slaughtered

Stops at 10.

He will stop at nine given that there are billions of Celestials including the likes of Scathan.

Originally posted by King Kandy
He will stop at nine given that there are billions of Celestials including the likes of Scathan.
aint scathan from the future??

We've only seen him in the future. He may or may not exist in the past.

Considering that Scathan is with the Celestials, he gets to nine.

Considering that Scathan isn't with them and that it's full power COIE Anti-monitor he most likely stop there.

Considering that it's the Sinestro Corps Anti-monitor, Joker Stalemates him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
We've only seen him in the future. He may or may not exist in the past.
isn't it questionable to presume he would be in the celestial race at the present time then.

Scathan the Approver is from Earth-691

Not much is known about the great Celestial

Hoping he'll show in the new GOTG series

there've been vs. threads between MJJ and Mxy
and Mxy beat him, since emporer joker = mxy
he should stop there

Originally posted by Astner
10.Anti-Monitor - MJJ was a omniversal warper, this would surpass Anti-Monitor, which could only destroy a Multiverse. "only?"

For one, destroying all but 5, of something truly infinite (lol) is one hell of a feat. Secondly, there wasn't more than a multiverse to destroy/absorb. Had there been more, there's no reason AM couldn't have destroyed it. srsly

"only", heh.

Originally posted by Astner
11.Emperor Joker - Emperor Joker warped one universe So did MJJ.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I would say Joker stalemates him until Jaspers' power expands beyond his.

Joker warped a Universe and so did Jaspers.

But Jaspers' power continues to increase exponentially. According to Mxy, so would Joker's (and we saw evidence of this)..

At first, Joker simply warped a universe. Once he became more accustomed to Mxy's power, he destroyed that universe (with an ACME bomb, lol), and completely recreated it. After he became even more used to said powers, he literally replaced Spectre himself, and locked him in a bird cage.


Sorry fellas, just saw how old this thread was.

Originally posted by george '06

there've been vs. threads between MJJ and Mxy

and Mxy beat him

Scathan stops him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
idk wht that smiley means
but that thread was up here a week ago at the most

Originally posted by Galan007

So did MJJ.
True, but that "one" universe was the 616 Reality, and we know what that means.

Also,
remember that Cobweb saw a definite Future had the Fury (plot device) not stopped Jaspers,
the "Omniverse would fall into chaos,
and a new and hostile God would play dice with matter"

That's what Merlin said, that's what Cobweb saw, so imo it holds water.
Originally posted by Galan007

According to Mxy, so would Joker's (and we saw evidence of this)..

At first, Joker simply warped a universe. Once he became more accustomed to Mxy's power, he destroyed that universe (with an ACME bomb, lol), and completely recreated it. After he became even more used to said powers, he literally replaced Spectre himself, and locked him in a bird cage.
Sounds like they'll stalemate then for ever.

I don't believe anyone was going to ever stop Jaspers with no Fury,
Merlin didn't give any hint that there would be salvation at the end,
simply put, Fury doesn't do what it was created to do, (be Jaspers' plot device)
Jaspers becomes essentially God! ... wacko style.

Originally posted by george '06
there've been vs. threads between MJJ and Mxy
and Mxy beat him
So you see the result of some board battles as completely canon material?
Unless it's World's Funnest Mxyzptlk he gets owned on so many levels it's not funny in my opinion. And even if it is, the only reason he could win was taking him to un-space.

Originally posted by george '06

idk wht that smiley means
but that thread was up here a week ago at the most
I just thought it was peculiar ... your reason why JJ looses to mxy.

I need to stop bumping old threads

Living Tribunal gonna rule against me

I'll kick his ass

idk, i just remember them coming to the conclusion that mxy could destroy everything and mjj could only warp it so mxy could eventually beat him, or at least stalemate him forever

maybe jokers not as strong as mxy though, anyway, if he gets past joker lucifer stops him

Originally posted by george '06

idk, i just remember them coming to the conclusion that mxy could destroy everything and mjj could only warp it so mxy could eventually beat him, or at least stalemate him forever

maybe jokers not as strong as mxy though, anyway, if he gets past joker lucifer stops him
In Marvel,
that "un-space" cheese move was impossible save for his personal plot device 'Fury.'

That's what most continue to forget,
that was literally the only thing that was able to stop him.

Had it not stopped him, the 'Fury' and the 'Fury' alone, this would've happened:

..................................................................................


Omniversal warping by Jaspers!

Cobweb is psychically connected to her Past and Future selves,
she tapped into one of her possible Future-selves:

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1046/25152532kp1.th.jpg


Cobweb literally connects to her counter-parts residing in even possible Futures,
so what Cobweb saw,
would DEFINITELY have happened.

Anyway, this is what she saw,
had Jaspers not been stopped by his personal anti-JJ plot device. (the Fury)

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/9255/99178716vp9.th.jpg

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/7533/48392736kk4.th.jpg

..................................................................................

That above is Jaspers canceling the entire Omniverse,
just like Omniversal Matrix/Merlyn predicted would happen if he wasn't stopped:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1219/m17iu3.th.jpg

... and if he is not defeated...
the Omniverse shall fall into chaos,
and a new and hostile God shall play dice with matter"
..................................................................................

Just have to say, it was hardly a definite future if it didn't happen.

Originally posted by Mr Master
True, but that "one" universe was the 616 Reality, and we know what that means.

Also,
remember that Cobweb saw a definite Future had the Fury (plot device) not stopped Jaspers,
the "Omniverse would fall into chaos,
and a new and hostile God would play dice with matter"

That's what Merlin said, that's what Cobweb saw, so imo it holds water. The Jaspers we actually saw (the one whom battled, and was beaten by, Fury) warped a universe, on panel. I agree that Jaspers certainly had the potential to be an omniversal warper - however, the aforementioned version never reached that potential.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Sounds like they'll stalemate then for ever. I agree. That's why I originally stated that MJJ gets to Joker.

Originally posted by King Kandy

Just have to say, it was hardly a definite future if it didn't happen.
Right, luckily for the Omniverse the Fury existed.
Originally posted by Galan007

The Jaspers we actually saw (the one whom battled, and was beaten by, Fury) warped a universe, on panel.
Right, the 616 Reality, which contains the infinite power of the prime Multiverse.

I never added to it.
Originally posted by King Kandy

I agree that Jaspers certainly had the potential to be an omniversal warper - however, the aforementioned version never reached that potential.
I never said he did.

I presented the scans,
I said Cobweb saw Jaspers warping the Omniverse ...
had the Fury not stopped him.
Originally posted by King Kandy

I agree. That's why I originally stated that MJJ gets to Joker.
No doubt, that's what I left with in the JJ vs Mxy thread.

Psss.... you quoted Galan's lines as having come from me.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Psss.... you quoted Galan's lines as having come from me.
... My bad.

Originally posted by Astner
I belive he passes (at least the 616th version)

10.Anti-Monitor - MJJ was a omniversal warper, this would surpass Anti-Monitor, which could only destroy a Multiverse.


You aware of the fact that the DC Multiverse is all of DC reality and hence equal to the Marvel Omniverse. Both are all of reality? CotIE AM is in Marvel Terms omniversal.

Stops at 10

I say he stops at 9. It seems Scathan has the ability to nullify anyones power with his muzzle.

I have 1 question though. Wouldn't sending Jaspers to unspace only truly work if you sent him there by himself? If there's someone there with him like the Fury or Lucifer wouldn't Jaspers powers still work on them in unspace?

Stops at 4

Please tell me you aren't serious.

... I just noticed. ... and it's hilarious. durlaugh