Juggernaut(classic) vs. Wonder Woman

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Faceman
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Evangel94
Even if she lasso'd Juggernaut, Juggernaut would keep walking foward dragging Diana on the ground as he walks.

nvrbeenwthagirl
She lasso's him and COmmands him to stay put. Or reveal where the gem of cyttorak is. She then flies away at Superspeed and gets the gem for herself.

Badabing
WW would cocoon Juggy with the lasso.

Evangel94
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
She lasso's him and COmmands him to stay put. Or reveal where the gem of cyttorak is. She then flies away at Superspeed and gets the gem for herself.

Juggernaut's forcefield would be protecting him. It's always on. The lasso would just wrap around the forcefield and not Juggernaut directly and therefore not work.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Evangel94
Juggernaut's forcefield would be protecting him. It's always on. The lasso would just wrap around the forcefield and not Juggernaut directly and therefore not work.

UM no. The force fields doesn't stop things from touching jugs. As seen when Thor's hammer tapped juggs armor. The lasso also works thru armor, clothing and all. Or do you think she has to lasso someone naked for it to work? NOT.

Evangel94
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM no. The force fields doesn't stop things from touching jugs. As seen when Thor's hammer tapped juggs armor. The lasso also works thru armor, clothing and all. Or do you think she has to lasso someone naked for it to work? NOT.

Juggernaut's forcefield protects things from touching him directly unless he wills it not to. If Juggernaut doesn't want anything touching him. Nothing's touching him.

Evangel94
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM no. The force fields doesn't stop things from touching jugs. As seen when Thor's hammer tapped juggs armor. The lasso also works thru armor, clothing and all. Or do you think she has to lasso someone naked for it to work? NOT.

As you can see in the scan below, Thor's hammer never touched Juggernaut. Even when Thor threw mjolnir full force the hammer just slowed down before touching Juggernaut's forcefield.

If Diana tried to lasso him, the rope would just be pushed away like trying to mix oil and water.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/jj3.gif

charlemagne9746
WW has the strength and speed advantage. She can't physically keep Juggs down, but she can win with battle field removal. She has taken punches from Superman..so, I don't see what Juggernaut can do to her. I do know she is fast enough to punch him a few hundred miles before Juggs has a chance to move forward.

Evangel94
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
WW has the strength and speed advantage. She can't physically keep Juggs down, but she can win with battle field removal. She has taken punches from Superman..so, I don't see what Juggernaut can do to her. I do know she is fast enough to punch him a few hundred miles before Juggs has a chance to move forward.

None of Wonder Woman's punches will even touch Classic Juggernaut. Her fists would bounce off his forcefield.

charlemagne9746
Doesn't mean she can't pick up the ground beneath him and chunk him into orbit..lol.

Evangel94
Originally posted by charlemagne9746
Doesn't mean she can't pick up the ground beneath him and chunk him into orbit..lol.

Is battlefield removal even considered a win? erm That seems more like a draw with Wonder Woman not hurting Juggernaut and Juggernaut not hurting Wonder Woman.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Evangel94
None of Wonder Woman's punches will even touch Classic Juggernaut. Her fists would bounce off his forcefield.

That is why the xmen have been able to remove Juggs helmet? becuz no one can touch him? yeah right. She lasso's him end of story. Wolverine has picked under juggs helmet and gotten it off of him. your telling me he didn't touch him to do it?

Evangel94
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is why the xmen have been able to remove Juggs helmet? becuz no one can touch him? yeah right. She lasso's him end of story. Wolverine has picked under juggs helmet and gotten it off of him. your telling me he didn't touch him to do it?

This is "Classic" Juggernaut were talking about here. Not the silly versions X-Men fought. We're talking about the romping stomping "Nothing Can Stop the Juggernaut" that was knocking and beating Thor around. In fact, when Wolverine punched 'classic' Juggernaut, he just ended up punching against Juggernaut's forcefield and Wolverine ended up pushing his claws back inside his hand (Ouch!).

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Evangel94
This is "Classic" Juggernaut were talking about here. Not the silly versions X-Men fought. We're talking about the romping stomping Juggernaut that was knocking and beating Thor around. In fact, when Wolverine fought 'classic' Juggernaut, he tried punching against Juggernaut's forcefield and Wolverine just ended pushing his claws back inside his hand.

Classic Juggernaut had his helmet removed too. How else was he beaten. They got it off. He can be touched. Besides, The force field is a part of him, the lasso will touch it and affect him. All he has to do is be ensnared to be affected. Enclosed within it's circle.

Evangel94
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Classic Juggernaut had his helmet removed too. How else was he beaten. They got it off. He can be touched. Besides, The force field is a part of him, the lasso will touch it and affect him. All he has to do is be ensnared to be affected. Enclosed within it's circle.

The forcefield slow the momentum of objects approaching. A rope would simply just be pushed away and be nearly impossible to lasso Juggernaut.

Since there's no evidence to argue whether or not it would work with Juggernaut's forcefield up, let's just drop that idea. Ok?

Besides the lasso and BFR, Wonder Woman has no real way to win.

xmeat
juggernaut wins period people stop assuming ww is beyonds gods she isn't even bulletproof.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by xmeat
juggernaut wins period people stop assuming ww is beyonds gods she isn't even bulletproof.

And how prey tell does Juggs win when WW fought Juggs in the All access xover and won. And Access was mentioned or seen in some in continuity books. And just what in the hell is juggs going to do to her? Hit her with his big blunt trauma fist? If he can even land one single punch.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Evangel94
The forcefield slow the momentum of objects approaching. A rope would simply just be pushed away and be nearly impossible to lasso Juggernaut.

Since there's no evidence to argue whether or not it would work with Juggernaut's forcefield up, let's just drop that idea. Ok?

Besides the lasso and BFR, Wonder Woman has no real way to win.

Juggs has absolutely no way to win at all. She has the lasso, BFR, and the God wave. His plot device powers give him no wins. Hers give her three.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by Evangel94
Juggernaut's forcefield would be protecting him. It's always on. The lasso would just wrap around the forcefield and not Juggernaut directly and therefore not work.

It's not always on. He rarely uses it and it is rarely mentioned.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is why the xmen have been able to remove Juggs helmet? becuz no one can touch him?

This is proof his shield is not always up.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
UM no. The force fields doesn't stop things from touching jugs. As seen when Thor's hammer tapped juggs armor. The lasso also works thru armor, clothing and all. Or do you think she has to lasso someone naked for it to work? NOT.

When Juggernaut is using his forcefield you can see it, it is about a foot away from his body. Spider-mans webbing didn't touch him, nor did Thor's punch. Both stopped about 1 to 2 feet away from his body.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Juggs has absolutely no way to win at all. She has the lasso, BFR, and the God wave. His plot device powers give him no wins. Hers give her three.

One good punch will end it.
If Venom can stalemate Superman, and Spider-man can beat Superboy, then Marvel is obviously stronger. lookaround

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
It's not always on. He rarely uses it and it is rarely mentioned.



This is proof his shield is not always up.



When Juggernaut is using his forcefield you can see it, it is about a foot away from his body. Spider-mans webbing didn't touch him, nor did Thor's punch. Both stopped about 1 to 2 feet away from his body.



One good punch will end it.
If Venom can stalemate Superman, and Spider-man can beat Superboy, then Marvel is obviously stronger. lookaround

lol, Spiderman tricked Superboy's Silly ass into that electric doohicky. And Venom can't really stalemate Superman. He just has a very specific weakness. He can't just trade blows with superman and have them mean anything. All otherpoints are very valid. Good job.

carver9
Its a lot of people on this site that dont know what they are talking about. Juggernaut forcefield comes up when he wants it to and when he doesnt want it to. He rarely use it because he dont need it, his body is COMPLETELY INDESTRUCTIBLE. When he fought thor he kept his force field up because he know of the power that thor posses but he really didnt need it. If juggernaut start this fight with his force field up, he easily wins. Without the force field it would be a good fight but he is still unstoppable without it so he still wins. I would like to let everyone know that it has been classified on juggernaut stats that his strength is immeasurable, do you know what immeasurable is. Juggernaut has enough strength to ko wonderwoman. Theres nothing that wonderwoman can do to juggernaut that will give her the win. I will be back with some scans and this should prove everyone wrong.

carver9
witness the juggernaut powers
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_Thor1.html

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by carver9
witness the juggernaut powers
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_Thor1.html

I have that book. First off, Thor was weakened in that fight. 2ndly, WW has immeasurable Strength. That rarely means anything. I could name about 100 comic characters with immeasurable strenght. Thirdly, Juggs doesn't have the speed or manuevability to do anything to WW. He doesn't know what her weapons can do and won't have his shield up. Before he realizes what has happened, She has moved at her superspeed that she used to be invisible even to the Martians and she lassos him, or swings him into the sun for a BFR. Or Godwave punches his skull in.

carver9
read where it says that his strength is unlimited
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596

Read again where it says that his strength is immeasurable
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=96

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by carver9
read where it says that his strength is unlimited
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/characters/showquestion.asp?fldAuto=596

Read again where it says that his strength is immeasurable
http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/spotlight/showquestion.asp?faq=10&fldAuto=96

What is all this strength going to do when he can't even touch her? And it's not like he's any stronger than Superman. We see she can take the best of Superman's punches.

Evangel94
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have that book. First off, Thor was weakened in that fight. 2ndly, WW has immeasurable Strength. That rarely means anything. I could name about 100 comic characters with immeasurable strenght. Thirdly, Juggs doesn't have the speed or manuevability to do anything to WW. He doesn't know what her weapons can do and won't have his shield up. Before he realizes what has happened, She has moved at her superspeed that she used to be invisible even to the Martians and she lassos him, or swings him into the sun for a BFR. Or Godwave punches his skull in.

How was Thor weakened in that fight?

Ptr_Grifin
I tell you what, Juggernaut truly is unstoppable in all sense of the word. The power of Cyttorak gives him everything he needs to be just that.

He has the power to locate anyone he wants to find.

His body is indestructible and he doesn't feel pain.

He doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep, and has unlimited Stamina so he can go straight for you without stopping no matter how far.

If he is thrown in space, his power will lead him back to you.

If he comes across a psychic, his has a special helmet that protects him.

To prevent people from pulling it off he has a unbreakable shield to keep people off of him.

If he comes across someone with high powered magic, he has a healing factor far greater than the Hulk's. He can exist as a Skeleton.

Cain could have potentially been the most dangerous person in the Marvel Universe, IF he knew how to use his powers correctly and implement them at the right moments.

Originally posted by carver9
I would like to let everyone know that it has been classified on juggernaut stats that his strength is immeasurable

It has been said more than once that he has the power to move mountains.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I have that book. First off, Thor was weakened in that fight.

Actually he wasn't weakened in that fight. He would have dizzy spells, but when didn't have a dizzy spell he was fine.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What is all this strength going to do when he can't even touch her? And it's not like he's any stronger than Superman. We see she can take the best of Superman's punches.

Actually, at one point Juggernaut was fighting somebody large and hard to hit. He then used his powers to pull them down to his size and toward him, so he could fight him. But it was only mentioned once.

Also WW has been hit by slower people, and her fighting style is not dash in and dash out.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Evangel94
How was Thor weakened in that fight?

I remember that fight. That is the one where Herculese was watching it all on TV. Thor was sick in that battle or something like that. He could barely lift a train car in that fight.

carver9
You dont know what you are talking about. Hulk is one of the strongest characters in comics and he was enhanced by apocalypse and became war and juggernaut was still pushing him back like hulk was a chump, with his enhancements. I dont think that wonderwoman is as strong as war hulk. Its a known power of juggernaut, once in motion nothing can stop him, so wonderwoman flying into him is just going to hurt her. Thats how he stop the god wave, by walking into it. How in the hell is wonderwoman going to beat someone who skin got burned off but he was still walking.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_DSpayre.html

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by carver9
You dont know what you are talking about. Hulk is one of the strongest characters in comics and he was enhanced by apocalypse and became war and juggernaut was still pushing him back like hulk was a chump, with his enhancements. I dont think that wonderwoman is as strong as war hulk. Its a known power of juggernaut, once in motion nothing can stop him, so wonderwoman flying into him is just going to hurt her. Thats how he stop the god wave, by walking into it. How in the hell is wonderwoman going to beat someone who skin got burned off but he was still walking.

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Neptune/7060/vs_DSpayre.html

Wait wait. First of all, Why would she fly from in front of hiM? Diana is as smart as they come in battle. Juggs always talks to much. he tells every one his power. So what if she just flies from behind him and uses his own unstoppable force against him? She could literally push him cross the solar system using his own momentum. Besides, Juggs isn't fast enough to even land one punch. if he can manage one, she can block it with her bracelet's/shield which is at least a match to his own. The God wave would crush Jugs into Dust. It is an abstract power of the upper tier of powers.

qqqqqqq
Originally posted by Evangel94
As you can see in the scan below, Thor's hammer never touched Juggernaut. Even when Thor threw mjolnir full force the hammer just slowed down before touching Juggernaut's forcefield.

If Diana tried to lasso him, the rope would just be pushed away like trying to mix oil and water.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v345/sifu1/jj3.gif laughing

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I tell you what, Juggernaut truly is unstoppable in all sense of the word. The power of Cyttorak gives him everything he needs to be just that.

He has the power to locate anyone he wants to find.

His body is indestructible and he doesn't feel pain.

He doesn't need to eat, drink, sleep, and has unlimited Stamina so he can go straight for you without stopping no matter how far.

If he is thrown in space, his power will lead him back to you.

If he comes across a psychic, his has a special helmet that protects him.

To prevent people from pulling it off he has a unbreakable shield to keep people off of him.

If he comes across someone with high powered magic, he has a healing factor far greater than the Hulk's. He can exist as a Skeleton.

Cain could have potentially been the most dangerous person in the Marvel Universe, IF he knew how to use his powers correctly and implement them at the right moments.



It has been said more than once that he has the power to move mountains.



Actually he wasn't weakened in that fight. He would have dizzy spells, but when didn't have a dizzy spell he was fine.



Actually, at one point Juggernaut was fighting somebody large and hard to hit. He then used his powers to pull them down to his size and toward him, so he could fight him. But it was only mentioned once.

Also WW has been hit by slower people, and her fighting style is not dash in and dash out.

Her fighting style Is at her best abilities on this forum. That is why you see speed blitz so much. The surfer never speed blitzes but on this forum he does becuz he can.

qqqqqqq
Juggernaut is UNSTOPPABLE!

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
Juggernaut is UNSTOPPABLE!

Exactly. So she just flies behind him and uses his momentum to push him off earth.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The God wave would crush Jugs into Dust. It is an abstract power of the upper tier of powers.

Okay, Fanboyism is getting into this argument. Her God wave will NOT crush Juggs into dust. Thor's Godblast didn't even scratch him, her God wave won't fare any better.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Exactly. So she just flies behind him and uses his momentum to push him off earth.

He can stop by his own will.

qqqqqqq
what can WW really do to juggernaut? can she reduce him to bones?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Okay, Fanboyism is getting into this argument. Her God wave will NOT crush Juggs into dust. Thor's Godblast didn't even scratch him, her God wave won't fare any better.



He can stop by his own will.

The God wave is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior to Thor's Godblast. I'm sorry you didn't know. And He isn't unmoveable, only unstopable. So as she's flying him off earth, what is he going to do? While she is behind him?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
what can WW really do to juggernaut? can she reduce him to bones?

What is he going to do to her exactly? Your giving him a win when he has no way to beat her and she has Three to beat him. Juggs is a character you have to beat by plot device. She has them. He doesn't have anything to compensate for her flight, Speed and the fact that she is very very invulnerable to Blunt force trauma. His fist are like ****ing big Cars. How much more blunt force can you get?

carver9
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Exactly. So she just flies behind him and uses his momentum to push him off earth.

Juggernaut fights entire teams all of his life and the teams that he fight consist of speedsters. Wonderwomans not winning this fight. If your not silver surfer, beings in his category, then I just dont have confidence that your beating the juggernaut because it just takes more than physical attacks to even make this man to stop laughing at your effort.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by carver9
Juggernaut fights entire teams all of his life and the teams that he fight consist of speedsters. Wonderwomans not winning this fight. If your not silver surfer, beings in his category, then I just dont have confidence that your beating the juggernaut because it just takes more than physical attacks to even make this man to stop laughing at your effort.

Um Juggernaut does not fight beings like Diana. He fights like the xmen. When has he fought any one as fast, strong, skilled, and magical as Diana? That fight with Thor doesn't count cuz thor was sick.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The God wave is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior to Thor's Godblast. I'm sorry you didn't know. And He isn't unmoveable, only unstopable. So as she's flying him off earth, what is he going to do? While she is behind him?

How do you know it is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior to Thor's Godblast? Thor's has injured a Celestial and drove away Galactus.

Classic Juggernaut has never been injured before by physical means. This won't be scratching him.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um Juggernaut does not fight beings like Diana. He fights like the xmen. When has he fought any one as fast, strong, skilled, and magical as Diana? That fight with Thor doesn't count cuz thor was sick.

Thor was able to fight like he normally does, he only had one dizzy spell, after that he was perfectly fine, and realized he couldn't win.

carver9
heres a better description of his powers.
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Juggernaut_%28Cain_Marko%29

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
How do you know it is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior to Thor's Godblast? Thor's has injured a Celestial and drove away Galactus.

Classic Juggernaut has never been injured before by physical means. This won't be scratching him.



Thor was able to fight like he normally does, he only had one dizzy spell, after that he was perfectly fine, and realized he couldn't win.

Yes the God wave is superior to the Godblast. First of all it empowers all of her not just a single beam. And with it Ares could have conquered the Universe. Thor isn't conquering any universe with his Godblast. Sorry. The Godwave would punch Juggs into dust. And this is probably how she would win this battle if the lasso didn't work. Thor complained about being sick in that entire battle if I remember correctly. Thor should have beaten Juggs 9 Different ways.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by carver9
heres a better description of his powers.
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Juggernaut_%28Cain_Marko%29


No where does it say he can fly, or has Superspeed. So how is he going to do anything to Diana?

qqqqqqq
Juggernaut loses badly to WW in terms of speed. but he definitely wins her in terms of pure power.

qqqqqqq
can jug do thunderclap?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
Juggernaut loses badly to WW in terms of speed. but he definitely wins her in terms of pure power.

What are his lifting feats? how does he win in terms of power? Who has he punched out that she couldn't?

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes the God wave is superior to the Godblast. First of all it empowers all of her not just a single beam. And with it Ares could have conquered the Universe. Thor isn't conquering any universe with his Godblast. Sorry. The Godwave would punch Juggs into dust. And this is probably how she would win this battle if the lasso didn't work. Thor complained about being sick in that entire battle if I remember correctly. Thor should have beaten Juggs 9 Different ways.

Thor wasn't complaing about being sick the entire battle. At first he was fine, then he became dizzy and Juggernaut dropped a train car on him. Then be became fine again, and used his thunder attacks with no harm on Juggy, then the God blast.

WW's God wave won't be hurting Juggernaut.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What are his lifting feats? how does he win in terms of power? Who has he punched out that she couldn't?

Well, they are from different comics, so your second question is impossible to answer.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Thor wasn't complaing about being sick the entire battle. At first he was fine, then he became dizzy and Juggernaut dropped a train car on him. Then be became fine again, and used his thunder attacks with no harm on Juggy, then the God blast.

WW's God wave won't be hurting Juggernaut.



Well, they are from different comics, so your second question is impossible to answer.
Do you even know what the God wave is? You cant' even begin to compare the Godwave to Thor's Godblast. The God wave is Superior to anything Thor can dish out. Juggs would be dust in one punch.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Do you even know what the God wave is? You cant' even begin to compare the Godwave to Thor's Godblast. The God wave is Superior to anything Thor can dish out. Juggs would be dust in one punch.

Nope, Juggs will survive and laugh, then punch her in the face.

carver9
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What are his lifting feats? how does he win in terms of power? Who has he punched out that she couldn't?

Can you just give up. If juggernaut happens to get his hands on diana the fight is over and it will happen. Juggernaut can just put his forcefield up and lay on the ground and let wonder woman wail on him and laugh while she is doing it.

And by the way, Juggernaut has fought x factor and xfactor had quicksilver on the team and he was koed also. He has fought xforce, xmen, some of the avengers, excaliber, etc and most of the team consist of speedsters. Wonder woman loves h2h fighting and that would be her down fall. Happy Dance

nvrbeenwthagirl
For those who said the lasso can't Touch juggs. Look what it does to a being with ultimate power and a shield and is intangible to boot.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1903/warofthegods04376lj.jpg

Look what she does to juggs in this cross over. can't be considered cannon even tho access did appear in a couple in continuity books so who knows for sure.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8717/unlimaccess66tm.jpg

She covers a nuclear device meant to destroy a city. With her bare body.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8799/gl736containswarpcoreexplosion.jpg

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by carver9
Can you just give up. If juggernaut happens to get his hands on diana the fight is over and it will happen. Juggernaut can just put his forcefield up and lay on the ground and let wonder woman wail on him and laugh while she is doing it.

And by the way, Juggernaut has fought x factor and xfactor had quicksilver on the team and he was koed also. He has fought xforce, xmen, some of the avengers, excaliber, etc and most of the team consist of speedsters. Wonder woman loves h2h fighting and that would be her down fall. Happy Dance

Quicksilver isn't near Diana's league when it comes to speed. Try that one again. And Diana loves to win. More than H2H. Who's to say she couldn't just put on her force field and laugh at him all the more. Hers seems to be more durable than His.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
For those who said the lasso can't Touch juggs. Look what it does to a being with ultimate power and a shield and is intangible to boot.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1903/warofthegods04376lj.jpg


That doesn't mean it will work on Juggernaut. Your going by the defenitions and showings of what she has done, and where not allowed to go by what Juggernaut is?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl

Look what she does to juggs in this cross over. can't be considered cannon even tho access did appear in a couple in continuity books so who knows for sure.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8717/unlimaccess66tm.jpg




And I am going to bring up Venom stalemating Superman again......Yup. Which happened in Access.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Quicksilver isn't near Diana's league when it comes to speed. Try that one again. And Diana loves to win. More than H2H. Who's to say she couldn't just put on her force field and laugh at him all the more. Hers seems to be more durable than His.

Her force field has never been penetrated? And besides, "everything must give way to the Juggernaut". As said in X-men.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
That doesn't mean it will work on Juggernaut. Your going by the defenitions and showings of what she has done, and where not allowed to go by what Juggernaut is?




And I am going to bring up Venom stalemating Superman again......Yup. Which happened in Access.



Her force field has never been penetrated? And besides, "everything must give way to the Juggernaut". As said in X-men.

Her Force field blocked The Omega beams and The full power of the greek pantheon. Im willing to bet either of those would over whelm juggy's force field.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Her Force field blocked The Omega beams and The full power of the greek pantheon. Im willing to bet either of those would over whelm juggy's force field.

Have they ever been penetrated?

qqqqqqq
wow! what happened next?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Have they ever been penetrated?

NO

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO

Okay, but that still doesn't prove that they are better than Juggernaut's. The Crimson bands of Cyttorak are no joke. They are linked to Cyttorak himself. And besides, Juggernaut's body is completely indestructible.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
wow! what happened next?

What happened next in which scan? The Juggs fight or the one where she covers up the Nuclear alien bomb with her body?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Okay, but that still doesn't prove that they are better than Juggernaut's. The Crimson bands of Cyttorak are no joke. They are linked to Cyttorak himself. And besides, Juggernaut's body is completely indestructible.

I'm willing to Bet Darksied's Omega beams could do what ever they wanted to do to Juggs. But they couldn't destroy Diana's Bracelets. In all of her history, I've never seen her bracelets broken. It would take the Spectre or Mxy to do something like that. Or some upper tier abstract like Yuga khan or one of the Endless. Juggs body being indestructible doesn't stop him from being knocked out.He also isn't completely indestructible either. As we can see when he was reduced to bones. We see that when Onslaught did it. He also isn't immune to the lasso. And last I checked, Juggs drops his field to fight. How else is he going to puch someone if the field keeps pushing them away from him?

qqqqqqq
the nuclear bomb

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm willing to Bet Darksied's Omega beams could do what ever they wanted to do to Juggs. But they couldn't destroy Diana's Bracelets. In all of her history, I've never seen her bracelets broken. It would take the Spectre or Mxy to do something like that. Or some upper tier abstract like Yuga khan or one of the Endless. Juggs body being indestructible doesn't stop him from being knocked out.He also isn't completely indestructible either. As we can see when he was reduced to bones. We see that when Onslaught did it. He also isn't immune to the lasso. And last I checked, Juggs drops his field to fight. How else is he going to puch someone if the field keeps pushing them away from him?

He can fight with his field up.

Juggernaut was severely weakened when Onslaught pulled an non existent gem from his chest. He lost his indestructablity. Even if you use that, Onslaught said Juggernaut couldn't be killed as long as he is bonded with the power of Cyttorak.

When he was reduced to bones, it was by a high powered magic spell from a guy who understood the power of Cyttorak.

Chances are just as good he is immune to the lasso with his shield up.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
the nuclear bomb

http://img190.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img190&image=gl7375cy.jpg

http://img182.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img182&image=gl7385uz.jpg

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
He can fight with his field up.

Juggernaut was severely weakened when Onslaught pulled an non existent gem from his chest. He lost his indestructablity. Even if you use that, Onslaught said Juggernaut couldn't be killed as long as he is bonded with the power of Cyttorak.

When he was reduced to bones, it was by a high powered magic spell from a guy who understood the power of Cyttorak.

Chances are just as good he is immune to the lasso with his shield up.

How the hell is he immune when even the grand master isn't? Hectate with ultimate power wasn't. No one is immune to it. And how can juggernaut fight while his shield is up? he won'tbe able to punch anyone becuz it will be pushing them away from him. It can't be up all the time.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
http://img190.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img190&image=gl7375cy.jpg

http://img182.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img182&image=gl7385uz.jpg

Not a scratch on her after covering up an alien Nuclear explosion.

qqqqqqq
awesome feat

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by qqqqqqq
he was still moving when he is flayed down to bones, this applies to the fact that he is unstoppable.

Yeah, let's see if he could still be moving if she severed his neck with the sword of hephestious.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
How the hell is he immune when even the grand master isn't? Hectate with ultimate power wasn't. No one is immune to it. And how can juggernaut fight while his shield is up? he won'tbe able to punch anyone becuz it will be pushing them away from him. It can't be up all the time.

You don't understand Juggernaut. The shield could act as an extension of his hand. It can be a hard, solid object.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yeah, let's see if he could still be moving if she severed his neck with the sword of hephestious.

It won't be cutting him.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You don't understand Juggernaut. The shield could act as an extension of his hand. It can be a hard, solid object.

Where does it say this? And how come it isn't drawn in? I think your just pulling for straws now. Juggs has been hit plenty of times. the shield isn't always on. And there is no way the xmen could get that helmet off if it was.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
You don't understand Juggernaut. The shield could act as an extension of his hand. It can be a hard, solid object.



It won't be cutting him.

It was able to Cut Gog who is vastly more powerful than Juggernaut. With the power of The phantom stranger, Zeus, Highfather, Ganthet and Shazam. And since the Kingdom is cannon, The sword surely can sever Juggs head.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Where does it say this? And how come it isn't drawn in? I think your just pulling for straws now. Juggs has been hit plenty of times. the shield isn't always on. And there is no way the xmen could get that helmet off if it was.

Yea, you are pulling every attack WW has done and every good feat she has had and putting it into this one fight. You aren't putting in any of the stupid things that has defeated her or her mistakes.

My main argument is that WW isn't going to be hurting Juggernaut. And besides his shield is a solid object, and he could just throw a punch with it up. What happens, she gets hit from his punch, while his shield is still up.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It was able to Cut Gog who is vastly more powerful than Juggernaut. With the power of The phantom stranger, Zeus, Highfather, Ganthet and Shazam. And since the Kingdom is cannon, The sword surely can sever Juggs head.

And Juggernaut is indestructible, it won't be cutting him.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Yea, you are pulling every attack WW has done and every good feat she has had and putting it into this one fight. You aren't putting in any of the stupid things that has defeated her or her mistakes.

My main argument is that WW isn't going to be hurting Juggernaut. And besides his shield is a solid object, and he could just throw a punch with it up. What happens, she gets hit from his punch, while his shield is still up.



And Juggernaut is indestructible, it won't be cutting him.

That is the point right? to put up the stuff she has done that I think would get her a win. How is he going to punch her when she is so much faster than Him? And if He does manage to get one in, She would block it with her better than his, shields. eek! called the bracelets of Aegis. And if he was impossibly fast enough to hit her while she moves at Super sonic speeds blocking with flash like reflexes, then His punch wont' do any more dmg than Zoom or Supermans. THey have Strength and Speed backing thier punches. Juggs can't win this one. But he can lose due to BFR, the lasso, the sword, or the Godwave.

qqqqqqq
jug will be swinging his arms all day without getting a clean shot at WW

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is the point right? to put up the stuff she has done that I think would get her a win. How is he going to puch her when she is so much faster than Him? And if He does manage to get one in, She would block it with her better than his, shields. eek! called the bracelets of Aegis. And if he was impossibly fast enough to hit her while she moves at Super sonic speeds blocking with flash like reflexes, then His punch wont' do any more dmg than Zoom or Supermans. THey have Strength and Speed backing thier punches. Juggs can't win this one. But he can lose due to BFR, the lasso, the sword, or the Godwave.

He can't lose to the lasso, sword, or the Godwave and her shields are not better.

If you read X-men 369 it shows the Trion Juggernaut. The Trion is a separate entity that tapped into Juggernauts power. So in this fight Juggernaut taps into his power and obliterates WW with one punch.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
He can't lose to the lasso, sword, or the Godwave and her shields are not better.

If you read X-men 369 it shows the Trion Juggernaut. The Trion is a separate entity that tapped into Juggernauts power. So in this fight Juggernaut taps into this power and obliterates WW with one punch.

Trion Juggernaut is not more powerful than Godwave wielding Diana.The Godwave allows the user to tap the combined might of all of the powered beings in the DCU. I guess U dont own any WW comics. You talk trash about Diana and don't know much about her. The lasso affects beings thru barriers. As long as the barrier is connected to or touching the person. It got hectate who had a shield on and was intangible. The Sword was able to cut even Kingdom Gog. A being who dwarfs Juggs power.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Trion Juggernaut is not more powerful than Godwave wielding Diana.The Godwave allows the user to tap the combined might of all of the powered beings in the DCU. I guess U dont own any WW comics. You talk trash and don't know much. The lasso affects beings thru barriers. As long as the barrier is connected to or touching the person. It got hectate who had a shield on and was intangible. The Sword was able to cut even Kingdom Gog. A being who dwarfs Juggs power.

Aw man this is great. When have I talked trash? I could also say you don't know much about Juggernaut. Trion Juggernaut was punching through and destroying Dimensions in his wake. WW couldn't stand up to that. The sword thing still doesn't matter, Marvel said Juggernaut is indestructible. Even if it did cut him he would just heal, he is pratically immortal.

hawkwind
juggernaut will stomp her into the ground.

long pig
WW wouldn't ever be able to lay a hand on him and she's too fast to get hit by him, so it's a draw.

long pig
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The God wave is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR superior to Thor's Godblast. I'm sorry you didn't know. And He isn't unmoveable, only unstopable. So as she's flying him off earth, what is he going to do? While she is behind him?
He doesn't need anything to walk on to walk forward. He can walk on air or walk in space. If she tries flying him somewhere, he'll turn the other way and that's all she wrote. You can really even BRF him unless he gets sent to another dimension because he can literally walk in space back to the fight.

xmeat
hows someone who cant take a and been in a fight with batman gonna someone that took on thors godblast and lighting.

xmeat
i meant to say ww isn't bulletproof.

carver9
juggernaut isnt getting hurt at all, he is completely invulnerable.
http://www.marveldatabase.com/Juggernaut_%28Cain_Marko%29

Kurash
We dont know if the lasso will work, if it does then WW, if it doesnt then Juggs, its that simple, why cant we all just go along with that instead of making post after post on a pointless arguement since neither side is going to budge from their beliefs

carver9
another example of his powers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juggernaut_(comics)
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/j/juggernaut.htm

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Kurash
why cant we all just go along with that instead of making post after post on a pointless arguement since neither side is going to budge from their beliefs

b/c humans are arrogant and stupid

Accel
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
If he comes across someone with high powered magic, he has a healing factor far greater than the Hulk's. He can exist as a Skeleton.
How does walking around as a skeleton show superior healing? He didn't even heal from that on his own.

Ptr_Grifin
Originally posted by Accel
How does walking around as a skeleton show superior healing? He didn't even heal from that on his own.

I never said that him being reduced to a skeleton was a display of his superior healing. If you read it, it is in a different sentence. When I mentioned to skeleton, I was referring to the fact that he doesn't need really anything vital (organs, flesh, muscle) to exist and stay combat ready.

But when he has been injured do to magic attacks he has instantly healed. For instance, when his eye was stabbed out, the next panel he was able to see again.

Accel
Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I never said that him being reduced to a skeleton was a display of his superior healing. If you read it, it is in a different sentence. When I mentioned to skeleton, I was referring to the fact that he doesn't need really anything vital (organs, flesh, muscle) to exist and stay combat ready.

But when he has been injured do to magic attacks he has instantly healed. For instance, when his eye was stabbed out, the next panel he was able to see again.
I'm aware. Since the two were grouped together, I took the second sentence as a continuation of the first.

Any way, I wouldn't even consider a superior healing from something like that. Heck, Hulk was stated to heal so fast from Wolverine's attacks that it appeared he wasn't even damaged before.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by Accel
I'm aware. Since the two were grouped together, I took the second sentence as a continuation of the first.

Any way, I wouldn't even consider a superior healing from something like that. Heck, Hulk was stated to heal so fast from Wolverine's attacks that it appeared he wasn't even damaged before.

True, but having your eyes gashed out, and being scratched are two totally different lv's of pain and damage.

olympian
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
For those who said the lasso can't Touch juggs. Look what it does to a being with ultimate power and a shield and is intangible to boot.

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/1903/warofthegods04376lj.jpg

Look what she does to juggs in this cross over. can't be considered cannon even tho access did appear in a couple in continuity books so who knows for sure.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8717/unlimaccess66tm.jpg

She covers a nuclear device meant to destroy a city. With her bare body.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8799/gl736containswarpcoreexplosion.jpg
If the Acess example cant be used, why are you using it in this debate?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Um Juggernaut does not fight beings like Diana. He fights like the xmen. When has he fought any one as fast, strong, skilled, and magical as Diana? That fight with Thor doesn't count cuz thor was sick.
Its ok. He has other figths with Thor after all, doesnt he.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by olympian
If the Acess example cant be used, why are you using it in this debate?


Its ok. He has other figths with Thor after all, doesnt he.

And just like thor pulling out his big gun i. e. the godblast, Diana would pull out her big gun the god wave, which is superior to any dmg that Juggs could take. Fight over good night. Diana wins 10/10.

p.s. I also noticed that you didn't have much to say about the fact that she was able to lasso a being vastly more powerful than Juggs and who was intangible and had a shields around them.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
And just like thor pulling out his big gun i. e. the godblast, Diana would pull out her big gun the god wave, which is superior to any dmg that Juggs could take. Fight over good night. Diana wins 10/10.

p.s. I also noticed that you didn't have much to say about the fact that she was able to lasso a being vastly more powerful than Juggs and who was intangible and had a shields around them.

The minute she gets on her knees to pray for this power(outside help), &uggernaut hapily romps over and kicks her teeth in. He then grabs her by her long flowing locks, and slings her into the atmosphere.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Soujaboy
The minute she gets on her knees to pray for this power(outside help), &uggernaut hapily romps over and kicks her teeth in. He then grabs her by her long flowing locks, and slings her into the atmosphere.

Your already late bud. I already debunked that myth that she needs any time to pray. I posted the scan. it takes her less than a second to call upon the god wave ,read ww, learn something.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1036/wonderwoman152120uv.jpg

Does this look like it's taking her all this time you guys been saying it does? Keep in mind on Olympus time has no meaning at all. One second she closes her eyes the next she has the God wave. SO much for that Theory of her having to pray. It takes longer for Thor to call on the Godblast.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Your already late bud. I already debunked that myth that she needs any time to pray. I posted the scan. it takes her less than a second to call upon the god wave and she was flying while doing it. read ww, learn something.

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1036/wonderwoman152120uv.jpg

Does this look like it's taking her all this time you guys been saying it does? Keep in mind on Olympus time has no meaning at all. One second she closes her eyes the next she has the God wave. SO much for that Theory of her having to pray. It takes longer for Thor to call on the Godblast.

Post the scans before that page...

But if she doesn't Juggernaut just turns on hi shield and he lauphs it off. He then calls upon the power of Cyttorak and easily destroys Diana.

golem370
As long as it's not the Juggernaut.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bhLHJ8ob04

don't shiv
Juggy is fun.

golem370
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGJga0JNYC8

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Post the scans before that page...

But if she doesn't Juggernaut just turns on hi shield and he lauphs it off. He then calls upon the power of Cyttorak and easily destroys Diana.

THe Scan before the page simply shows her as she is shown in the corner that is why there was no need to post it. it shows her asking for the god wave. Same as the one on the corner. thanks. I knew what I was doing. The God wave Is easily more powerful than the power of Cyttorak. It powers ALL of the GODS. Nice try tho. And his shield isn't goign to block the power of the God wave. WHat are you trying to do or prove? that you dont' like me? becuz every one knows that God wave is a universal power.Geez. Diana wins this one Easily.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe Scan before the page simply shows her as she is shown in the corner that is why there was no need to post it. it shows her asking for the god wave. Same as the one on the corner. thanks. I knew what I was doing. The God wave Is easily more powerful than the power of Cyttorak. It powers ALL of the GODS. Nice try tho. And his shield isn't goign to block the power of the God wave. WHat are you trying to do or prove? that you dont' like me? becuz every one knows that God wave is a universal power.Geez. Diana wins this one Easily.

Post thescan beforehad so we can deide for oueselves what we think of the scan. Especialy considering moe than our claimed second occurred during her process of obtaining the god wave.

So what is the god waves greatest feat exactly? It most likely wasn't destroying any univereses.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Post thescan beforehad so we can deide for oueselves what we think of the scan. Especialy considering moe than our claimed second occurred during her process of obtaining the god wave.

So what is the god waves greatest feat exactly? It most likely wasn't destroying any univereses.

Take all of the power of all the Gods of DC and every feat performed and you have the God wave's feat since it Technically powers ALL of them.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Soujaboy
Post thescan beforehad so we can deide for oueselves what we think of the scan. Especialy considering moe than our claimed second occurred during her process of obtaining the god wave.

So what is the god waves greatest feat exactly? It most likely wasn't destroying any univereses.

Also the God waves Greatest Feat would be every super powered Being and God in the DCU. It would crush Juggs and his shield to powerder with no effort at all from Diana.

Accel
The god wave grants her any power right? Couldn't she use it to give herself telepathy, take off Cain's helmet and then mindrape him over and over?

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Accel
The god wave grants her any power right? Couldn't she use it to give herself telepathy, take off Cain's helmet and then mindrape him over and over?

Basically. People just dont' know what the Godwave is and what it does. you are correct.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Also the God waves Greatest Feat would be every super powered Being and God in the DCU. It would crush Juggs and his shield to powerder with no effort at all from Diana.

I want to know what it's done, not who it empowers.

nvrbeenwthagirl
Originally posted by Soujaboy
I want to know what it's done, not who it empowers.

It was able to completely over whelm Takion tapping the full power of the source. And diana used it to beat a being who threatned all of creation. Juggs dies.

xmeat
what wondy isn't beating juggy period.

Soujaboy
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It was able to completely over whelm Takion tapping the full power of the source. And diana used it to beat a being who threatned all of creation. Juggs dies.

Galactus threatens the entire "creation", and yet was drove away by an attack that was unable to harm Cain. Still you have no proof that the god wave is superior to the god blast, at least not when used by WW.

Besides that you have still failed to post the scan before your claimed one second use of the god blast.

carver9
I think a lot of the things that they are saying, theyre making it up.

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