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Apoc gets a month of prep, and Annihilus gets none, and only knows as soon as the battle starts, of who he is fighting.
Apocalypse also get one horseman. Let's say Holocaust, and Mr Sinister.

They fight in the middle of the Annihilation Wave (Annihilus has no control over them). Say Apoc can breath in space to, and he doesn't have to adapt (along with his allies).

So, who wins?

Well Apocalypse managed to stalemate High Evolutionary and he almost killed Ikaris Prime he also stalemated Loki.He has Celestial technolgy has telepathy and can shape or grow his body. I give a 7/10 majority to Apocalypse.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Well Apocalypse managed to stalemate High Evolutionary and he almost killed Ikaris Prime he also stalemated Loki.He has Celestial technolgy has telepathy and can shape or grow his body. I give a 7/10 majority to Apocalypse. Annihilus managed to absorb all the power from Quaser's Quantum Bands, and beat a Nova with all the Nova force at the same time...

Wait, that sounds familar...

Originally posted by bigbran
Annihilus managed to absorb all the power from Quaser's Quantum Bands, and beat a Nova with all the Nova force at the same time...

Wait, that sounds familar...
And? Apocalypse can grow 2 maybe 3 times bigger then Galactus....

Given that Annihilus just wasted Quasar and presumably has the quantum bands in addition to his other powers, Apoc's ****ed. come on, stop making fights he can't win. I don't think he can take this guy with prep.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
And? Apocalypse can grow 2 maybe 3 times bigger then Galactus....

Galactus is not limited to a physical form

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Given that Annihilus just wasted Quasar and presumably has the quantum bands in addition to his other powers, Apoc's ****ed. come on, stop making fights he can't win. I don't think he can take this guy with prep. I didn't want people to use that he had the Q bands.
Just normal before he had the Bands.

I've also only made one Apoc thread during this time.

Originally posted by Grimm22
Galactus is not limited to a physical form
Still Apoc can grow a 100 times bigger then him.

what power up did annihilus have I remember when he was the kicking dog of the cosmics.

Originally posted by jasofisc
what power up did annihilus have I remember when he was the kicking dog of the cosmics. Originally posted by jasofisc
what power up did annihilus have I remember when he was the kicking dog of the cosmics. None mentioned. Except after he absorbed Q's Bands (not using that one).

He also defeated Surfer, and Thor before the Annihilation events.

Originally posted by bigbran
None mentioned. Except after he absorbed Q's Bands (not using that one).

He also defeated Surfer, and Thor before the Annihilation events.

holy crap surfer and thor when did he get such power.

Annihilation Annihilus takes it 9/10. However, without the quantum bands, and with Apoc's prep, I have to give it to Annihilus 5.5/10, merely because he has actually taken down a few big names like Thor. He was even brave or stupid enough to pick a fight with Odin. One panel, but still. Annihilus was also given an unwritten powerup for annihilation, probably to make him a credible threat. Andy Schimdt, editor of Annihilation, has also placed Annihilus at approximately Thanos level.

While that may be hyperbole, or simply an editor not knowing his character inside out, he still took SS and Nova out. Not to mention raped Wendell. Apocalypse is too erratic to call properly. To err on the safe side, I give it to Annihilus 5.5/10

i read that he once went into asgard and started killing people left and right till odin kicked him out.

Originally posted by jasofisc
holy crap surfer and thor when did he get such power. That was a while ago.Originally posted by Mider999
i read that he once went into asgard and started killing people left and right till odin kicked him out. Yup.
I have the issue, I might upload it, and send it to you. Just got to find it.

i hate that over time they de power the characters like apoc and even odin YES I HAVENT SEEN HIM MAKING NO DAMN SOLAR SYSTEMS LATELY lol sorry but some people say he's over odin in power.

Originally posted by Mider999
i hate that over time they de power the characters like apoc and even odin YES I HAVENT SEEN HIM MAKING NO DAMN SOLAR SYSTEMS LATELY lol sorry but some people say he's over odin in power. Well... currently Odin is dead.
And the issue or so after he died (or more), he allowed Thor to look at a solar system, and when Thor touched a planet, he destroyed it.
Odin was never depowered.
That was done through the Odin Power when he called thor to where he wanted him.

Annihilus would have no problems whatsoever slagging Apocalypse, no matter how big he grows.

He'd just be a bigger loser than before.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Still Apoc can grow a 100 times bigger then him.

Galactus can match the size of a Celestail, he even match Eternity in height whe they first met.

Apocalypse max is 100ft
Galactus easily 1000ft or more.

Anyway... did anyone think of what the team is going to do with prep?

Did anyone think of Apoc using the Wave to his advantage? No of course not.

This isn't spite.
People just aren't thinking outside of the box.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Still Apoc can grow a 100 times bigger then him.

And then Galactus ***** slaps him

What's your point?

Annihilus wins via BFR'ing Apocalypse with a table, not any table may I add, it has crayons on it.

I never saw this "table" scan.....anyway APOC wins....haven't you all relized that the reason APOC isn't written to full potential is because he would be unstopable......

Cable with a stick owned Apoc
But in all seriousness, Annihilus wins.

HOW DO YOU STAB SOMEONE'S SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!......BS and lots of it

Originally posted by Priest
Cable with a stick owned Apoc

Originally posted by swerve1988
HOW DO YOU STAB SOMEONE'S SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!......BS and lots of it

a) its a comic so it is possible to stab a soul in theory
b) here he call it PIS not BS
c) annihilus crushes apoc

The table was PIS and so was Cable beating Apoc with the Psimitar. At this point, until Marvel rehabilitates Apoc and starts writing him as the badass should be, just make the fights with 'Classic' Apoc. That being said, either version of Apoc dies. Annihilus punked the nova corp, SS, Quasar and god knows who else. Total mismatch.

Annihilus.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
The table was PIS and so was Cable beating Apoc with the Psimitar. At this point, until Marvel rehabilitates Apoc and starts writing him as the badass should be, just make the fights with 'Classic' Apoc. That being said, either version of Apoc dies. Annihilus punked the nova corp, SS, Quasar and god knows who else. Total mismatch. Did anyone realize I gave him Holocaust, and Mr Sinister plus a month of prep with them?

From a glance, sure, call it spite.
But if you think of more than just a one on one fight, this could be considered fair.

Don't get me wrong, I think Annihilus wins, but no one has thought of what Apoc might do with the prep.
I already named one in this thread.

APOC holocaust and sinister?!!!...aw man....we're talking over kill now.

Originally posted by bigbran
Did anyone realize I gave him Holocaust, and Mr Sinister plus a month of prep with them?

From a glance, sure, call it spite.
But if you think of more than just a one on one fight, this could be considered fair.

Don't get me wrong, I think Annihilus wins, but no one has thought of what Apoc might do with the prep.
I already named one in this thread.

he can't prep well if he doesn't know who he's fighting

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
he can't prep well if he doesn't know who he's fighting Go read the forum rules.

"Each character has basic knowledge of who they are fighting."

Except Annihilus, who basically would know nothing about him.

Originally posted by swerve1988
APOC holocaust and sinister?!!!...aw man....we're talking over kill now. Do I even need to ask?
This comment gave me the idea that you think Apoc can solo Annihilus...

Originally posted by bigbran
Go read the forum rules.

"Each character has basic knowledge of who they are fighting."

Except Annihilus, who basically would know nothing about him.

Do I even need to ask?
This comment gave me the idea that you think Apoc can solo Annihilus...
The guy thinks Apoc is equal to LT in power.

Originally posted by bigbran
Go read the forum rules.

"Each character has basic knowledge of who they are fighting."

Except Annihilus, who basically would know nothing about him.

Do I even need to ask?
This comment gave me the idea that you think Apoc can solo Annihilus...

OK so with prep Apoc has a chance (maybe)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I hope you mean bigbrain
Nah Bran has great knowledge on comics.
swerve1988 said that.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Nah Bran has great knowledge on comics.
swerve1988 said that.

I saw what you meant a moment later and changed my post to answer bigbrains question from before sorry

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
The guy thinks Apoc is equal to LT in power. Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
OK so with prep Apoc has a chance (maybe) That is still a big maybe though.
The only way I see this team winning, is if they utilize the environment to their advantage.

Or:

If Apoc doesn't do his usual dumbass plans.

Apoc has no chance in the physical aspect (like trying to go toe to toe with him). This is when he has to put his mind to the limits.
He also has to use his team smartly to. Not just stray off and do their own thing.

But, all in all, I still think Annihilus takes this 6/10.
Probably, since I have yet to really see anyone argue smartly for Apoc, most of the people just name off random bio powers.

I could give a good case, but that is me.

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Nah Bran has great knowledge on comics.
swerve1988 said that. Thank you.
Plus, if I think Apoc loses to Annihilus, then why would I think he is equal to LT?
Not really needed anymore, but I felt like saying it.

Originally posted by bigbran
That is still a big maybe though.
The only way I see this team winning, is if they utilize the environment to their advantage.

Or:

If Apoc doesn't do his usual dumbass plans.

Apoc has no chance in the physical aspect (like trying to go toe to toe with him). This is when he has to put his mind to the limits.
He also has to use his team smartly to. Not just stray off and do their own thing.

But, all in all, I still think Annihilus takes this 6/10.
Probably, since I have yet to really see anyone argue smartly for Apoc, most of the people just name off random bio powers.

I could give a good case, but that is me.


Well the best case for Apoc is the intelectual advantage

His tech is better than Annihilus's (except for that wand thing Annihilus has)

I think probably you're right about 6/10 or better for Annihilus

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well the best case for Apoc is the intelectual advantage

His tech is better than Annihilus's (except for that wand thing Annihilus has)

I think probably you're right about 6/10 or better for Annihilus Yes, he does indeed have that.

His Celestial tech is maybe comparable to Annihilus's cosmic control rod.
Maybe better, since his tech does everything for him...
But, let's not forget that Annihilus's tech should also include his whole wave (starships, men, etc). Well, maybe...

Anyway, Annihilus doesn't really get anything besides his control rod.

Classic Annihilus would definitely lose to Classic Apoc. But current Annhilus has gotten a major boost, as previously mentioned.

Originally posted by bigbran
I don't remember a class 50 ever doing this...

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bi...ova04page14.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bi...ova04page15.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bi...ova04page16.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bi...ova04page17.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bi...ova04page18.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bi...ova04page19.jpg

Keep in mind a weaker Nova has fought Gladiator, and this Nova has the full Nova Force (last who had that, I hear wrecked the Avengers).
Annihilus slapped him away like nothing.

Marveldatabase needs to update their info...

Good feat. Though, still, I don't think Apoc would utterly lose in a h2h combat against Annihilus.






*waits for batdude to correct me with a bitchy Apoc comment*

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Marveldatabase needs to update their info...

Good feat. Though, still, I don't think Apoc would utterly lose in a h2h combat against Annihilus.






*waits for batdude to correct me with a bitchy Apoc comment* Bio's are bullshit on telling of a characters levels.

The only really good thing bios are good for, is telling what happened in that character's history (although some are still wrong, so you may need to check with a comic).

If full on Nova Force gets slapped around like that, you can bet Apoc is going down.

Also, I never said Apoc would go down in a slugfest, I said "toe to toe" meaning:

Blasts to blasts, punch to punch, power to power, etc.

Basically, what I meant to say was one-on-one with Annihilus.

Originally posted by bigbran
All that is fine and dandy, but none of those guys are as powerful as Annihilus.

Um, the High Evolutionary? Hulk? Black Bolt?




Some unusal Apoc feats:

Time manipulation.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe28.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe29.png

Creates a powerful mantis creature from nothing. It had the strength of 10 warriors in one limb.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe33.png

Phased his hand into The Harbinger, then re-arranges his insides (matter re-arrangement, or something, not sure) to turn him from an unlimited instantaneous adapter/evolver into a living mega bomb with the powers he already had developed. He will destroy New York City when he explodes.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers20.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers21.png

Reality warps Ozymandias from normal man into a being of pure stone that can move like a man.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers19.png

Creates a forcefield able to hold even pre-powerdown Exodus.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Um, the High Evolutionary? Hulk? Black Bolt? Oh, didn't see Black Bolt... I also seem to remember another Black Bolt fight... but I won't bring the scans for that...
Maybe HE...


Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Some unusal Apoc feats:

Time manipulation.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe28.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe29.png

Creates a powerful mantis creature from nothing. It had the strength of 10 warriors in one limb.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powe33.png

Phased his hand into The Harbinger, then re-arranges his insides (matter re-arrangement, or something, not sure) to turn him from an unlimited instantaneous adapter/evolver into a living mega bomb with the powers he already had developed. He will destroy New York City when he explodes.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers20.png

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers21.png

Reality warps Ozymandias from normal man into a being of pure stone that can move like a man.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers19.png

Creates a forcefield able to hold even pre-powerdown Exodus.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers18.png I can see these, but I don't know how much they will help him...
I just showed Annihilus one-shotting Thor, and beating both Quaser and just slapping a full Nova Force Nova away like nothing, when they tried to attack him from behind.

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh, didn't see Black Bolt.

He's in this scan

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png

Originally posted by bigbran
I can see these, but I don't know how much they will help him...
I just showed Annihilus one-shotting Thor.

Well, if Apoc were in the same position as Thor, he could likely, as he did with Cyclops, absorb that energy blast which would augment Apoc's own strength and power, as well, he could project energy from his hands.

Overall, Apoc's best showings in strength, was when he physically restrained the Hulk, and was able to put a choke hold on his cousin. Which shows apparently that he can increase his strength surpassing that of Hulk.

And durability, he withstood the combining attacks of the Inhumans and X-Men, and HE's energy blasts didn't effect Apoc, which is honestly impressive, considering how freakishly powerful HE really is (Heck, HE stalemated Galactus).

I don't know much what Annihilus' cosmic control rod can do, besides firing energy blasts and perform matter manipulation.

Now, energy blasts, we know what Apoc can do with those. And since Apoc has total control over his body at the molecular level, matter manipulation is not going to effect him.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He's in this scan

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers4.png Ya, and what about the other time they met?
I'm not saying that is impressive, just that, a scream from Black Bolt sounds pretty weird...



Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Well, if Apoc were in the same position as Thor, he could likely, as he did with Cyclops, absorb that energy blast which would augment Apoc's own strength and power, as well, he could project energy from his hands. Did you just compare Cyke to Annihilus?
Thor also did manage to go against an attack (with hammer) from an incredibly weak Annihilus, the second time, when he was not weak... Thor got one-shotted. Apocalypse has nowhere near the same absorbtion skills as Thor's hammer.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Overall, Apoc's best showings in strength, was when he physically restrained the Hulk, and was able to put a choke hold on his cousin. Which shows apparently that he can increase his strength surpassing that of Hulk. And Annihilus managed to basically b*tch slap the same being (but way, way stronger), that Gladiator actually had to fight.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
And durability, he withstood the combining attacks of the Inhumans and X-Men, and HE's energy blasts didn't effect Apoc, which is honestly impressive, considering how freakishly powerful HE really is (Heck, HE stalemated Galactus). Hmm... from this, it seems you are comparing Apoc to Galactus... if by that, one of them were pis...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
I don't know much what Annihilus' cosmic control rod can do, besides firing energy blasts and perform matter manipulation.

Now, energy blasts, we know what Apoc can do with those. And since Apoc has total control over his body at the molecular level, matter manipulation is not going to effect him. What about when his head got cracked open, and out popped his real body?
Was that complete control?

Or when Mags ripped him in half...

DO NOT use the Twelve Saga as a basis for comparing Apoc's power with anyone else. The entire thing was some of the worst PIS riddled writing I've ever seen. Ditto AoA Apoc losing to Magneto. And Apoc getting nuked by Black Bolt was non-canon.

I said Classic Apoc could beat Classic Annihilus, I never said anything about current. Current Apoc sucks compared to what he used to be able to do. And current Annihilus is a freaking beast.

Originally posted by bigbran
Ya, and what about the other time they met?
I'm not saying that is impressive, just that, a scream from Black Bolt sounds pretty weird...

You mean in HoM when Apoc was depowered?

Originally posted by bigbran
Did you just compare Cyke to Annihilus?

No.

Originally posted by bigbran
Thor also did manage to go against an attack (with hammer) from an incredibly weak Annihilus, the second time, when he was not weak... Thor got one-shotted. Apocalypse has nowhere near the same absorbtion skills as Thor's hammer.

How do you know that exactly? I mean, it's Celestial tech in his body that allows him to absorb energy. Now, I'm not dissing Mjolnir here or anything, but we all know that anything with the Celestials are a little more "beyond". I'm not saying that Apocalypse himself is greater than Thor's hammer, but I doubt any energy would be a terrible problem for him to absorb if he has tech from, if not, the most powerful beings in the universe.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hmm... from this, it seems you are comparing Apoc to Galactus... if by that, one of them were pis...

Heh, you know I was actually going to say "Of course, this does not mean Apoc is strong as Galactus" and no he is not

Originally posted by bigbran
What about when his head got cracked open, and out popped his real body?
Was that complete control?

Or when Mags ripped him in half...

There was another time when it was revealed that all the time he was just an old man in a robot suit....PIS writing....all of it...

Hmm, forgot about this thread... just saw it as a chance to show off my new found Annil scans, but...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
How do you know that exactly? I mean, it's Celestial tech in his body that allows him to absorb energy. Now, I'm not dissing Mjolnir here or anything, but we all know that anything with the Celestials are a little more "beyond". I'm not saying that Apocalypse himself is greater than Thor's hammer, but I doubt any energy would be a terrible problem for him to absorb if he has tech from, if not, the most powerful beings in the universe. I don't actually recall Apoc absorbing energy.



Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Heh, you know I was actually going to say "Of course, this does not mean Apoc is strong as Galactus" and no he is not He isn't?



Originally posted by Evil_Ash
There was another time when it was revealed that all the time he was just an old man in a robot suit....PIS writing....all of it... So, the only thing explaining what Apoc actually is, is pis?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Classic Annihilus would definitely lose to Classic Apoc. But current Annhilus has gotten a major boost, as previously mentioned. Still don't know about this...
I mean, what other being has done this to Thing's hide, other than Wolverine? Plus IW's forcefield...
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5797/page18wp9.th.jpg
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/340/page19xi7.th.jpg

Annihilation feats aside, Annihilus lacks feats that put him on level with Apocalypse.

Annihilus' power boost may be some sort of retcon, maybe he got some new off panel powersource. All I know is that he's not at the same level he was.

Originally posted by llagrok
Annihilation feats aside, Annihilus lacks feats that put him on level with Apocalypse.

Annihilus' power boost may be some sort of retcon, maybe he got some new off panel powersource. All I know is that he's not at the same level he was. He KO'ed two different Thor's with one hit, on separate occasions.
He beat Surfer.
He stopped Ghost Rider.
Wolverine's claws couldn't cut him (that's a biggy in my world).
Etc.

Now, I'm not saying he is at Annihilation levels, but not on the level of Apoc? Lets get serious here.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
He KO'ed two different Thor's with one hit, on separate occasions.
He beat Surfer.
He stopped Ghost Rider.
Wolverine's claws couldn't cut him (that's a biggy in my world).
Etc.

Now, I'm not saying he is at Annihilation levels, but not on the level of Apoc? Lets get serious here.

Uhm, yeah...

Annihilus wins.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Uhm, yeah...

Annihilus wins. Apoc gets pwned is the worst possible way, ey? 313

Time Manipulation? I don't see why he never used that again -.-

If Apocalypse used ALL the powers at his disposal, I don't see why he's not a high herald character. I mean, matter manip, energy absorption, reality warping, time manipulation, class 100+, etc.

I might've underestimated the old Annihilus. The one shot doesn't necessarily mean that he's stronger than Thor. Spidey one shotted bulldozer and Wrecker one shotted Hulk.

Originally posted by Galan007
Apoc gets pwned is the worst possible way, ey? 313

Oh yeah. 313

Originally posted by llagrok
If Apocalypse used ALL the powers at his disposal, I don't see why he's not a high herald character. I mean, matter manip, energy absorption, reality warping, time manipulation, class 100+, etc.

....

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Oh yeah. 313 evillaugh

Originally posted by llagrok
If Apocalypse used ALL the powers at his disposal, I don't see why he's not a high herald character. I mean, matter manip, energy absorption, reality warping, time manipulation, class 100+, etc.

It's called massive CIS.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Oh yeah. 313

....

What?

Originally posted by llagrok
I might've underestimated the old Annihilus. The one shot doesn't necessarily mean that he's stronger than Thor. Spidey one shotted bulldozer and Wrecker one shotted Hulk. Except he's done it twice, to two different Thors.
Consistent, is more like the word, not pis, like the other ones mentioned.

Also, it was with the Control Rod that he did it, something that he's using.

Also, Annihilus later proved that without the Control Rod (not hitting Thor with it), he is a match for a Thor who is desperately trying to end the fight (even though it wasn't really that much of a fight, but it is notable to say, that Annihilus took a cheapshot hammer swing from behind, to no effect).

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Except he's done it twice, to two different Thors.
Consistent, is more like the word, not pis, like the other ones mentioned.

Also, it was with the Control Rod that he did it, something that he's using.

Also, Annihilus later proved that without the Control Rod (not hitting Thor with it), he is a match for a Thor who is desperately trying to end the fight (even though it wasn't really that much of a fight, but it is notable to say, that Annihilus took a cheapshot hammer swing from behind, to no effect).

Aah, with the rod. Yeah, Annihilus is strong with the rod without doubt. Annihilus used the rod when fighting Quasar didn't he?

Originally posted by llagrok
Aah, with the rod. Yeah, Annihilus is strong with the rod without doubt. Annihilus used the rod when fighting Quasar didn't he? Yup, that's how he absorbed Quaser's power.

Originally posted by Jebus reborn
Yup, that's how he absorbed Quaser's power.

Yeah, I got a little scared there.

Since he has the rod it doesn't look like he has received such a big powerup.

Annihilus.

I like Apocs chances in this one actually...he never gets any love in the forum.

Originally posted by Estacado
And? Apocalypse can grow 2 maybe 3 times bigger then Galactus....


No he can not. galactus has no size limits, he can become larger than planets... Anyone have scans of his battle against the In-Betweener?

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
No he can not. galactus has no size limits, he can become larger than planets... Anyone have scans of his battle against the In-Betweener? Ya...

He also grew large enough to eclipse a sun.

Plus, Juggy was just saying that, because back then, there was a massive Apoc fanboy (almost as big as Trickster), who said Apoc would grow bigger than Galactus, and step on him.

I say Annihilus. I think Apoc's horseman would buy some time, but that's it. This is in the middle of the Annihilation wave. Also, not sure how adept Apoc would be with his celestial tech, (i.e- not sure what he has to utilize.).. Annihilus will just overwhelm him with the wave regardless, imo.

Annihilus 7.5-8/10

Originally posted by CaptainStoic
No he can not. galactus has no size limits, he can become larger than planets... Anyone have scans of his battle against the In-Betweener?

http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_01_fc-e975fd07fa.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_02-77d0aecb51.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_03-7c17955dc0.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_05-9bce3f8666.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_06-962704cb8e.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_07-af23df33e4.jpg

http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_09-fc29d09eab.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_10-955c5a4777.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_11-dfaca5c889.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_13-88d815ede0.jpg http://www.picsaway.com/thumbs/silver_surfer_1988__018_17-561cc7cdb6.jpg

What issue did Annihilus go to Asgard and kill people etc?

Originally posted by Hyperion 07
What issue did Annihilus go to Asgard and kill people etc?

Thor #405, I think.

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Annihilus was sent packing by a depowered Odin.

Originally posted by llagrok
Annihilus was sent packing by a depowered Odin. How would Apoc fare?

Annihilus has been stopped by the fantastic four on a few occaisions, the FF could not defeat Apocalypse...not ever. Except for the ever famous Reed Richards prep where he figures out some insane scientific loophole to beat him.

Originally posted by norrinradd43
Annihilus has been stopped by the fantastic four on a few occaisions, the FF could not defeat Apocalypse...not ever. Except for the ever famous Reed Richards prep where he figures out some insane scientific loophole to beat him. I'm not sure I recall off hand when Annihilus was stopped physically by the Four, and not by plot devices...

Apocalypse can beat Annihilus without his cosmic rod or quantum bands.

That's about it.

Annihilus without his cosmic rod pretty much whithers away...I think Apolcalypse beats him with the Rod and gives him a good fight with the bands...I wish they would have some kind of explaination for the Annihilus retcon. He is conciderably more powerful than ever.