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Vader via force choke ki adi, and overwhelms kit fitso in lightsaber battle w/ shien do form w/ some sweeping blows

No, Vader gets tooled, badly....

Vader pwns them... badly.

This is a pretty good thread. In The Rise of Darth Vader Vader took on Siadem Forte and Iwo Kulka, two Jedi Knights who survived Order 66, and killed them quite easily. By the time of ESB he's alot stronger than he was in the book, which takes place only about a month after ROTS. But Kit Fisto and Ki-Adi-Mundi are not just Knights, but acclompished Masters. So idk. But either way it'd be close.

ESB Vader is just ROTJ Vader going easy on Luke.....He wins...barely

The crippled man in a breathing suit gets tooled. Loss of speed is a bad thing.

How would he get tooled when, in a weaker state, he took out two jedi Knight at the same time with ease?

Provide the context under which he "took out two Jedi Knights at the same time with ease."

Vader's lost quite a bit of speed since he got put in his suit. No way is he taking down the Masters.

It was in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, which took place about a month after ROTS, he killed the Knights two months after ROts, at the latest. He kiled them on Kashyyyk.

That's not the context I'm looking for. Describe the fight.

over time as vader aged he also lost speed he could block a hit form to sabers at the same time

Didn't he snap someone's arm in half in a saberlock? Or was that in Purge?

Probably.

Originally posted by braz
Vader via force choke ki adi, and overwhelms kit fitso in lightsaber battle w/ shien do form w/ some sweeping blows

Agreed, but it may be easier if he chokes Kit and Saber crushed Ki. Either way, Vader.

Originally posted by IKC
That's not the context I'm looking for. Describe the fight.
I have the book with me right now, I won't type it word for word, that'd take to long, but I'll sum it up:
Kulka and Forte (the Knights) knew about what happened to Obi and Ani when fighting Dooku on geonosis so they take Vader as a team. They each use a radically different saber stlye to try and off-balance Vader. Vader sood completely still. As the Jedi reached him he, he moved.
Forte and Kulka were skilled duelists, but Vader was faster and more agile than he was on Murkhana (earlier in the book). He employed his awesome power to quickly end the Jedi's fancy twirling, who fell back. Time and time again the two Jedi attempted to alter their style but Vader had an answer for every longue, parry and riposte. His stlye borrowed elements from the highest, most dangerous levels of combat. His moves were crisp and unpredictable. His incredible foresight allowed him to anticipate the Jedi's strategies and maneuvers. he was always one step ahead of them.
Toying with the jedi, he grazed Forte on the left shoulder then on the right thigh. Kulka he pierced lightly in the abdomen, then shaved away the flesh on the right side of her face.


End of duel. Neither survived their injuries.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Agreed, but it may be easier if he chokes Kit and Saber crushed Ki. Either way, Vader.

Stop making wild assumptions. Firstly, if he tried to choke one and fight off the other, he would get pwned.

And even then, Jedi are trained from birth to resist telekinesis.

So, shut up, fanboy .

Serra Keto, one of the best knights in the order could not withstand Vader's grip so there are exceptions, but still, I think Kit or Adi could block it.

WTF? Keto is a friggin newly trained Knight, she's nowhere near the level of either of those master. And, I believe he psychially choked her.

Eh. RoDV sounds like a Mecha-Vader fanboy wet dream in book form.

Originally posted by IKC
Eh. RoDV sounds like a Mecha-Vader fanboy wet dream in book form.
Wow. What a great excuse.

Originally posted by Darth Traya
Stop making wild assumptions. Firstly, if he tried to choke one and fight off the other, he would get pwned.

And even then, Jedi are trained from birth to resist telekinesis.

So, shut up, fanboy .

ooh really...??well, is that why dooku in ROTS could force choke obi wan, a JEDI MASTER and potentially one of the greatest of all time and put him out of the fight, then yet get beaten ironically by the man who will take down these two masters as well

2 high ranking jedi masters vs one idiot named Darth "im a cyborg with a portable life support system" Vader

really the masters win

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Originally posted by vpokdekjyafmidp
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lol vaders not an idiot

YES he tried to attack obi wan, while he had an extreme disadvantage he IS and/or WAS an idiot

Well Vader can probably snap their arms in half in a saber lock.

And I doubt these guys can resist a Force Choke from 80% of Sidious (the 80% thing is vague, so I'm going to assume overall).

Good thread. I'm thinkin' about buying the rise of Darth Vader book thing

Originally posted by braz
ooh really...??well, is that why dooku in ROTS could force choke obi wan, a JEDI MASTER and potentially one of the greatest of all time and put him out of the fight, then yet get beaten ironically by the man who will take down these two masters as well
Obi-Wan's style of fighting is based on defense. However, since he was fighting with Anakin, he had to go on offense. He is not very good at offense, therefore he got force-choked.

Originally posted by darthsith19
I have the book with me right now, I won't type it word for word, that'd take to long, but I'll sum it up:
Kulka and Forte (the Knights) knew about what happened to Obi and Ani when fighting Dooku on geonosis so they take Vader as a team. They each use a radically different saber stlye to try and off-balance Vader. Vader sood completely still. As the Jedi reached him he, he moved.
Forte and Kulka were skilled duelists, but Vader was faster and more agile than he was on Murkhana (earlier in the book). He employed his awesome power to quickly end the Jedi's fancy twirling, who fell back. Time and time again the two Jedi attempted to alter their style but Vader had an answer for every longue, parry and riposte. His stlye borrowed elements from the highest, most dangerous levels of combat. His moves were crisp and unpredictable. His incredible foresight allowed him to anticipate the Jedi's strategies and maneuvers. he was always one step ahead of them.
Toying with the jedi, he grazed Forte on the left shoulder then on the right thigh. Kulka he pierced lightly in the abdomen, then shaved away the flesh on the right side of her face.


End of duel. Neither survived their injuries.



Mr. Smiley and Mr. Can't Deflect 4 Blaster Bolts get raped by Lord Vader!

Fisto and Ki-Adi Mundi win this,Vader aint strong enough for both of them,plus I dont think Vader is really that strong

Originally posted by braz
ooh really...??well, is that why dooku in ROTS could force choke obi wan, a JEDI MASTER and potentially one of the greatest of all time and put him out of the fight, then yet get beaten ironically by the man who will take down these two masters as well

I'm glad Vader's as strong and masterful in the force as the seventy year old former jedi master and 13 year career sith Dooku. I'd hate for fanboys to boost up Vader's power to ridiculous levels. Vader has one a few fights since ROTS with jedi, but they were always scattered, on the run, surrounded or he took a lot of flak in the fight itself. Ki-Adi-Mundi was a good jedi master and Kit Fisto was good enough for Mace Windu to be impressed (And Obi-Wan), and either one of those two would FLOOR Vader.

I love how Vader has all this nebulous, amazingly high force powers despite GL specifically saying his force potential was drastically crippled.

His force potential was drastically crippled but look at how much potential he had to begin with. Look at Simus who lost more potential then Anakin. He had enough force potential to stay alive as only a head.

Simus probably outstrips Anakin in force powers. Anakin's known as being the highest recorded count in the PT era. There were no measurements of midi-chlorian counts of Sith lords from before and earlier jedi. It would be ridiculous to assume that Anakin has that much potential to salvage when beforehand he couldn't even beat Dooku or Obi-Wan in a force match. The idea that he's somehow a force god despite GL saying otherwise is Vader fanboyism at its best.

I'm sure that it was George Lucas' intentions that Anakin Skywalker would have the highest potential in the star wars galaxy.

Originally posted by Numan
I'm sure that it was George Lucas' intentions that Anakin Skywalker would have the highest potential in the star wars galaxy.

Your opinion really doesn't mean a lot when you have no evidence to back it up...

Originally posted by Wesker
Simus probably outstrips Anakin in force powers. Anakin's known as being the highest recorded count in the PT era. There were no measurements of midi-chlorian counts of Sith lords from before and earlier jedi. It would be ridiculous to assume that Anakin has that much potential to salvage when beforehand he couldn't even beat Dooku or Obi-Wan in a force match. The idea that he's somehow a force god despite GL saying otherwise is Vader fanboyism at its best.

Anakin did not have as much training/experience as Obi-Wan. I doubt Anakin could even tap into his full force potential at the age of 22.

Originally posted by Wesker
Ki-Adi-Mundi was a good jedi master and Kit Fisto was good enough for Mace Windu to be impressed (And Obi-Wan), and either one of those two would FLOOR Vader.


I doubt those two are 80% are powerful as Sidious.

Ki Adi Mundi held his own against Grievous for a little bit on Hypori in the Clone Wars so Idk.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Ki Adi Mundi held his own against Grievous for a little bit on Hypori in the Clone Wars so Idk.

So what, Vader tools Grievous in an all out fight.

Vader pwns the duo.

As does Dooku, Yoda, Mace, or Sidious.

I think the duo will put up a good fight. Fisto is great in the force and with a sword, as is Mundi with the force. Vader wins regardless.