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who wins and y

galactus vs krona vs beyounder.


the beyounder is the one doom fought when he got galactus power.

What version of Krona, what version of the Beyonder?

Beyonder was rectonned, before he was well Beyond even the LT. Krona in the JLA/Avengers Crossover is beyond everyone.

what even beyound the THE TRUE TL

Originally posted by lionking
who wins and y

galactus vs krona vs beyounder.


the beyounder is the one doom fought when he got galactus power.

Pre Beyonder.

let me get this right are you saying krona more powerful then pre beyounder

Ive never heard of the beyounder but the PreRetBeyonder was the most power thing ever to appear in Marvel comics.

Galactus is a total nonfactor.

Do you have stats on Krona?

unless of cause that we are talking post retcon beyonder then he will get beaten by Galactus since he is just a cosmic cube, cannot talk about the other doesn't know him, and it has never been shown that Pre retcon beyonder is more powerful then LT only speculated

Originally posted by Utrigita
unless of cause that we are talking post retcon beyonder then he will get beaten by Galactus since he is just a cosmic cube, cannot talk about the other doesn't know him, and it has never been shown that Pre retcon beyonder is more powerful then LT only speculated

Its secret wars beyonder so its PreRet. As for his power level he is supposed to be way more powerful than LT (ask Mr.Masters)

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Its secret wars beyonder so its PreRet. As for his power level he is supposed to be way more powerful than LT (ask Mr.Masters)

Just making a assumption on what would happen if it was post

And I don't know what would have happen if it instead was Galactus that would have fought Beyonder a thing I will never get a answear to

Beyonder is supposed that isn't the same as he is and thanks, Mr Master and I have had that discussion before none of us would give in, so it is pointless starting it again.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Just making a assumption on what would happen if it was post

And I don't know what would have happen if it instead was Galactus that would have fought Beyonder a thing I will never get a answear to

Beyonder is supposed that isn't the same as he is and thanks, Mr Master and I have had that discussion before none of us would give in, so it is pointless starting it again.

Just a guess from guy222, all the cube beings are spawned from the Beyonders

Originally posted by guy222
Just a guess from guy222, all the cube beings are spawned from the Beyonders
and you is correct!!!

Originally posted by Utrigita
and it has never been shown that Pre retcon beyonder is more powerful then LT only speculated

Originally posted by Utrigita
Beyonder is supposed that isn't the same as he is and thanks, Mr Master and I have had that discussion before none of us would give in

Well you're right about that, I'll only give in to what's On Panel.

And On Panel even Molecule Man was more powerful than LT.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7054/uatubeggingmmbo6.th.jpg

http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/629/mo1ao2.th.jpg


Owen Reece the most powerful being in the Multiverse (and LT is there)
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.th.jpg

this is preconned beyonder so he'd win in a heart beat.

Would you really like to start this discussion again Mr Master it clearly was a waste of time. None of us will give in and you know that, but if you would like we could take another round. (He is potential the most powerful in the multiverse the scan contradict itself)

Originally posted by Utrigita
Would you really like to start this discussion again Mr Master it clearly was a waste of time. None of us will give in and you know that,

"None of us?"

I'm posting what's On Panel and you're not, you want me to give in to your opinion over what was stated and drawn in a Comic Book.



Originally posted by Utrigita
but if you would like we could take another round. (He is potential the most powerful in the multiverse the scan contradict itself)

Actually you should read it thoroughly friend,


"Owen Reece possessed the greatest potential of all ... and by chance ACHIEVED it "
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.th.jpg
"and Now that he IS and KNOWS he is Mightier than ALL other beings in the Multiverse"



That really oughta put it to rest.

Who is taking and when did MM suddenly acquire omniscience, to know that his stronger then the rest, to having someone saying it to it being said by the writer here is some way.

And you know as well as well is I do why the human race even has that great potential to become cosmic beings.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Who is taking and when did MM suddenly acquire omniscience, to know that his stronger then the rest, to having someone saying it to it being said by the writer here is some way.

That's Uatu the Watcher talking.


Honestly friend, do you read these comics before opiniating on them? (you should atleast read the scans)

Originally posted by Utrigita
And you know as well as well is I do why the human race even has that great potential to become cosmic beings.

Right now I'm only concerned with this thread.

Pre-retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT.

and so was Molecule Man.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's Uatu the Watcher talking.


Honestly friend, do you read these comics before opiniating on them? (you should atleast read the scans)



Right now I'm only concerned with this thread.

Pre-retcon Beyonder was more powerful than LT.

and so was Molecule Man.

Sorry doesn't own the Secret Wars II thinks it is the worst thing Marvel has ever done.

And sorry but you scans didn't say that it was Uatu the Watcher Talking, mealy a being not a Watcher It could just as well had been a Celestial and then perhaps I would have laid more weight on the words for sure as .... he Watchers isn't the strongest race, the only reason they are trying to stop beyonder is so that they might still have something back to observe. If it had been eternity I would have bowed down to Beyonder but since with all respect it is Uatu I can only take it into consideration

Then I will because it has relevance to know that the Human race is destined to become the next abstract when the Big Crush takes place.

Galactus jobs once again, The Beyonder takes this.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Sorry doesn't own the Secret Wars II thinks it is the worst thing Marvel has ever done.

Then you shouldn't have an opinion on them.



Originally posted by Utrigita
And sorry but you scans didn't say that it was Uatu the Watcher Talking, mealy a being not a Watcher It could just as well had been a Celestial and then perhaps I would have laid more weight on the words for sure as .... he Watchers isn't the strongest race, the only reason they are trying to stop beyonder is so that they might still have something back to observe. If it had been eternity I would have bowed down to Beyonder but since with all respect it is Uatu I can only take it into consideration

So I guess this makes no difference either,
http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/629/mo1ao2.th.jpg

All the Cosmics including Eternity and LT stand aside to see if Molecule Man will do something about the Beyonder because they couldn't.

just say it again just to be ignorant and a pain in the ass, In my openion LT hasn't even tried doing anything and at this point he is still observing.

Originally posted by Utrigita
just say it again just to be ignorant and a pain in the ass,

"ignorant?"

You got balls my boy when you haven't even read the relevent issue yet your trying to debate them.



"pain in the ass?"




Originally posted by Utrigita
In my openion LT hasn't even tried doing anything and at this point he is still observing.

"In your opinion" no doubt.


In Marvel's opinion,

pre-Beyonder > LT

pre-Molecule Man > LT

Thanks

Where in marvels openion does you find that they states LT being below the two other. And a quick question (I believe we have debated it) why didn't LT intervend, NOt because he wasn't powerful enough he wasn't against HOTU and still be tried to why? Had they broken any rules

Well, LT does only intervene in matters that threaten the multiverse, right? The multiverse was destroyed by the Beyonder. So, take your guess on why exactly he chose this one moment not to interfere in a multiversal affair.

Him being scared shitless makes sense.

Beyonder no such thing.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Where in marvels openion does you find that they states LT being below the two other. And a quick question (I believe we have debated it) why didn't LT intervend, NOt because he wasn't powerful enough he wasn't against HOTU and still be tried to why? Had they broken any rules

LT is all about the Balance
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/7840/ltny5.th.jpg


Beyonder erases Multi-Death
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8712/d1ve2.th.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4596/d2jb9.th.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7426/d3qm1.th.jpg


Death is ERASED across The Entire Multiverse
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6859/beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.th.jpg


This would cause a Multiversal Imbalance.

In fact, LT's purpose is geared primarily (nowadays) towards a Mystical Unbalance of power within a Multiverse, Beyonder was that from the very start.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, LT does only intervene in matters that threaten the multiverse, right? The multiverse was destroyed by the Beyonder. So, take your guess on why exactly he chose this one moment not to interfere in a multiversal affair.

Him being scared shitless makes sense.

So, Living Tribunal is afraid of the Beyonder. Lets talk now. Beyonder is dead. Living Tribunal is now. Do u see anyone who maintains the multiverse? Do u see anyone who has the power Living Tribunal has? Lets respect the most powerful creation of The One Above All.

Well, nowadays, of course LT is the topdog. But back during Secret Wars, Beyonder was. I more than respect the Judge of All Realities but he was simply no match for a being like PR Beyonder.

The fact is, PR Beyonder did multiple things that threatened to send the multiverse out of whack and LT never showed up.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Well, nowadays, of course LT is the topdog. But back during Secret Wars, Beyonder was. I more than respect the Judge of All Realities but he was simply no match for a being like PR Beyonder.

The fact is, PR Beyonder did multiple things that threatened to send the multiverse out of whack and LT never showed up.

Good point. If the higher ups wanted Beyonder on top, they wouldn't have ret con him. Hence, he's dead. I hear he's back.

Originally posted by guy222
Good point. If the higher ups wanted Beyonder on top, they wouldn't have ret con him. Hence, he's dead. I hear he's back.
It was a different higher up that decided to ret-con him.

Originally posted by King Kandy
It was a different higher up that decided to ret-con him.

we agree on this also. how strange. i can list the name

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT is all about the Balance
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/7840/ltny5.th.jpg


Beyonder erases Multi-Death
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8712/d1ve2.th.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4596/d2jb9.th.jpg

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7426/d3qm1.th.jpg


Death is ERASED across The Entire Multiverse
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6859/beyonderkillsdeath3tq0.th.jpg


This would cause a Multiversal Imbalance.

In fact, LT's purpose is geared primarily (nowadays) towards a Mystical Unbalance of power within a Multiverse, Beyonder was that from the very start.

True but LT must also obey the laws of the universe and that is survival of the fittest, beyonder was stronger then death survival of the fittest. And when Beyonder had erased death LT couldn't kill Beyonder anymore then beyonder would kill a fly. And don't forget that it did indeed take some off beyonders own energy to erase multideath and he doubtet that he was capable of bringing her back.

Originally posted by Utrigita
True but LT must also obey the laws of the universe and that is survival of the fittest,

Not if the Balance is threatened.


Your taking into account LT not interfering with Thanos/IG, but Thanos wanted to take Eternity's Position as the Universe (No Imbalance)


Originally posted by Utrigita
beyonder was stronger then death survival of the fittest.

Incorrect.

By Beyonder erasing Death, a Multiversal Imbalance was immediately created.

Beyonder did NOT become Death, there was NO Death (Multiversal Imbalance)


Originally posted by Utrigita
And when Beyonder had erased death LT couldn't kill Beyonder anymore then beyonder would kill a fly.

Actually Beyonder Killed Dave, and through him recreated the New Death:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2797/beyonderressurectsdeath2ij8.th.jpg

Alot more than a "fly" wouldn't you say?


Originally posted by Utrigita
And don't forget that it did indeed take some off beyonders own energy to erase multideath

I haven't forgotten, I practically have the entire saga memorized.


Originally posted by Utrigita
and he doubtet that he was capable of bringing her back.

Evidently he was wrong.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Not if the Balance is threatened.


Your taking into account LT not interfering with Thanos/IG, but Thanos wanted to take Eternity's Position as the Universe (No Imbalance)

haven't we got a bit of topic ???




Incorrect.

By Beyonder erasing Death, a Multiversal Imbalance was immediately created.

Beyonder did NOT become Death, there was NO Death (Multiversal Imbalance)




Actually Beyonder Killed Dave, and through him recreated the New Death:
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2797/beyonderressurectsdeath2ij8.th.jpg

Alot more than a "fly" wouldn't you say?




I haven't forgotten, I practically have the entire saga memorized.




Evidently he was wrong.

Then on what argument did LT interfer with HOTU, thanos achieved it, And killing death and creating inbalance in the multiverse is very nice but with death gone the order of the universe change.

I could be ignorant and just say omniscience but oh yes i think i will and let you figure the rest out.

Again beyonder was relifed it worked, not just like that it worked. Dave also proved himself willing to sacrifice himself to bring death back he was ready to die, what if he hadn't the situation would have been different.

I can see you have that, as much as we debate it you also should have.

I said he doubtet himself that was all he doubtet his own powers.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Then on what argument did LT interfer with HOTU,

A Mystical Imbalance of Power.


Originally posted by Utrigita
And killing death and creating inbalance in the multiverse is very nice but with death gone the order of the universe change.

In 1985,

No Death = Imbalance


Originally posted by Utrigita
I could be ignorant and just say omniscience but oh yes i think i will and let you figure the rest out.




Originally posted by Utrigita
Dave also proved himself willing to sacrifice himself to bring death back he was ready to die, what if he hadn't the situation would have been different.

Incorrect...


Dave willing to die or not makes absolutely NO difference.

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2465/beyondernodeathjo1.th.jpg

ALL the power in the Multiverse can't Kill a flower,

ONLY the Beyonder was still able to Kill, hence Dave dies.

Okay just got the Secret Wars II still don't like it but I agree with you that Pre retcon beyonder is above pre retcon LT (that is the discussion right)

Dave being willing to die makes ALL the difference.

Beyonder flat out said he could only accomplish it if a living creature was willing to become death.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Dave being willing to die makes ALL the difference.

Beyonder flat out said he could only accomplish it if a living creature was willing to become death.

Beyonder never said "he could only accomplish it if" ...

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/2259/68795146ga6.th.jpg

"if some sentient creature were willing to become Death, in a manner of speaking ... for from the Seed of the First Death, it's spectre would rise again"


Beyonder figured if he can Kill a sentient creature, that creature would take up the role as the concept of Death. (being the FIRST sentience to DIE in the Multiverse again) but Beyonder had to do the Killing!

http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/2797/beyonderressurectsdeath2ij8.th.jpg

It took Beyonder more than a thought to Kill Dave,

so the "willing" part was not all there was to it.