Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't shake hands.
So here is just as good.
You haven't shown me anything, you posted your unsupported speculative theories, nothing more.
DC has Hypertime (it's a Multiverse)
"Hypertime,
Parallel Timelines which comprise ALL REALITY ... the Universe they (the Linear Men) oversee is actually Part of a Multiverse, (Hypertime) an Infinite Realm of Parallel Worlds"
I never compared the scope and depth of DC's Reality with Marvel's.
I also never said that Marvel Megaversal threats can affect DC, in fact only LT has been seen handling Megaverses.
Just Read more Comics and it's quite easy to undestand.
Marvel has an Omniverse = ALL the possible Marvel Realities.
DC has Hypertime = ALL the possible DC Realities.
Actually AM destroyed Universes that were a Fraction of ONE Universe.
continues in the next post....
You don't shake hands? I guessed so.
I see that I don't need to prove my "theories" because you proved them for me.
How?
Originally posted by Mr Master
PART TWO
Because the universes that made up the DC multi-verse, weren't laid out side by side, they were kind of stacked within the same space, and were separated by vibrational wavelengths that kept them from actually interacting with each other.
This is first mentioned on the first page of the first book...
See at the bottom it says that the universes were vibrating and replicating. Now I would also like to bring your attention to the part(in the same narration box), that says "what should have been one became many", because that's about to be important.
So what does all this talk about the universe fracturing and the resulting universes being separated by vibrations have to do with anything? Well I'll get to that after I show you these scans, which point out something important about the multi-verses origin...
This is from the first book. Look at what it says in the upper right hand panel. "The universe once divided into many parts...Each one different, independent, yet somehow WEAKER than the whole". What does this mean exactly? Well to put it bluntly, it means that even though DC at the time was a multiverse, it was a weak multiverse that only contained as much power as a single universe. And before anyone tries to call BS on the fact, here's the Monitor saying the same thing in the forth book...
"The universe was split apart at the dawn of time...each part WEAKER than the whole it was meant to be". He also says that the universes are separated by by vibrations and time.
When all of this is taken into account, here are my theories on the matter...
About AM's power increasing with the destruction of the positive matter universes... Well his universe obviously didn't grow outward and actually become larger(because of the dimensions given for it and because of the impossibility of an infinite number of universes being placed side by side). It would be more accurate to say that it grew in DENSITY(it's the best word I could think of to describe it). It became more real, and more like the ORIGINAL universe in overall power.
This also means(and THIS is what's really going to piss some people off), that even at the height of his power, AM wasn't even as powerful as a SINGLE intact universe(because there were still 5 universes left out to complete the whole). So not only could he not take Multi Eternity, he probably couldn't take the universal aspect of Eternity either. His power falls just shy(5 mini universes to be exact).
Before everyone starts attacking me as a "DC hater", let me just say that I've spent the past three days going over all this stuff, but there IS a chance I missed something. So if anyone has any evidence which goes against all this, feel free to bring it to the table, and I'll address it. Also, I have no idea, on how powerful DC's universe is NOW. All this stuff relates only to the power of DC during COIE. I'm not saying that Marvel's universe is STILL more powerful.
DC's Multi-verse becomes ONE Universe
You say it yourself "DC's Multi-verse becomes ONE Universe" thank you for proving my point.
AM did not have the power of one whole Universe but he had the power of the whole DC Universe except 5.
So DC had one Universe, fractured (Multiverse) or whole DC U, it still is equal to the Marvel Omniverse as you admitted, so the feat of AM is equal to the feat of destroying almost the whole MArvel Omniverse, except say 5 Megaverses.
When you say that AM is below Eternity, or one Marvel Universe, you also say that One Marvel Universe is equal to the whole DC Universe in this case.
If you can show me one DC Comic where it is stated that DC is an Omniverse or Megaverse I will overthink the might of the Anti-Monitor.
So Marvel works on another scale then DC but they are still the same when it comes to power.
As said, DC's Multi-verse becomes ONE Universe is 100 points worth
Marvels Megaverse is also 100 points worth
Can you live with this?
If you want to add feats or compare them find something more logical then the word Universe, because both Companies think different about their cosmology.
Take Math, 85/100 + 3/5 = 17/20 + 12/20
I hope you may understand this better.
If DC and Marvel work on an Crossover they can't simply say that DC is just one "fractured" Universe and Marvel is an Omniverse. This would irritate people, so they have to find the same number, the "lowest" possible, so they go on with the word Universe (the Marvel Universe and the DC Universe). Krona threated both, so he is more powerful then the Anti-Monitor, we agree on this btw if you haven't noticed.
So Krona threated both Companies whole Universes as the greater universes per se or because if he would have destroyed the Marvel Universe and the DC part-of-the-universe (or Earth - 1 reality) he wouldn't stop and finish the other Elseworlds and Universes of both companies. After all he stated that he absorbs the power of each universe he destroys.
Basicly you said the same as me. DC's Multi-verse becomes ONE Universe (common knowledge btw) while Marvels Universe is an Omniverse both are equal (as shown in the DC vs Marvel Crossover). So it wasn't possible for the Anti-Monitor to destroy an complete DC Megaverse or Omniverse, because you can't simply destroy something that doesn't exist, however, he was on his way to anhillate the whole DC Universe. Anti-Monitor was an DC-Universal threat, this has nothing to do with Marvel. To threat the whole DC Universe is the same as threatening the whole Marvel Megaverse.
DC showed us later that the New "Universe" (from the original 5) that was formed, is still a "Multiverse" (or 1 fractured DC Universe, or Hypertime, and there isn't more then one) not only with IC but with Elseworlds and Worlds Funnest
. Still each reality is reffered to as an Universe (though it is an fraction of the "greater" DCU, as shown in the JLA/Avengers Crossover for example).
In the end we see Metron and Grandmaster in an empy space between the companies (or between the DC and Marvel Universe) and both vanish or retreat to their home-Universes, leaving the newly created Universe (DC-Marvel Universe) behind. So Krona is the new TOAA/Presence of a newborn Universe, independent to both companies or Universes. Maybe DC can mess with Krona in the future but it can't recton the Universe created through an Crossover without Marvels helps, like Marvel can't recton the Brothers without DC allowing it.
I hope you stay friendly this time, I prefer an "friendly" debate.
You all may have guessed that I'm quite new to the Internet-Forums, I'm not used to hostility or insults while talking with people, like in the real life. This is an new experience and it's hard to get used to. It reminds me sometimes of car accidents, sometimes when there is a crash one person comes out of the car shouting and insulting the other one, it doesn't matter whose fault the accident was, the person thinks to be right and starts insulting the other one. If the other person comes out and is weaker or smaller then the "aggressive" one, the hostility won't end, if however, the second person comes out and is bigger and stronger the hostile person will be quiet at once, think, and become friendly..... Here on the internet everyone is save and can show his "true" face, he doesn't has to fear consequences, which shows how sad humanity has become. I wish sometimes that most people on the boards would treat each other like "real" people, like people who sit in front of them, I'm sure the insults would almost cease to exist. BTW guy22 is till now one of those few persons I respect most on this board, in my short time here he was always friendly to everyone. We should all follow his example. I'm aware of the fact that I'm rambling, but I wanted to explain this ecause I have still hope for humanity.
Maybe I should leave the internetboards, it may be an amusing experience but it is also an sad one and maybe not worth it.
Where do you get your facts from? Anti Monitor had psiphoned the power of billions of universes. He only had the power of One Eternity at the end of the series when he recharged himself after a long battle. 
that they meant "everything".
) is equal to the Complete DC AND Marveluniverse, like the Amalgamuniverse, with Krona as the New TOAA/Presence (Or third Brother
.