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PC Superman(No Super-Sneeze or Anti-Thanos power developement)

vs

Thanos(Just before his death)



Who takes it?

whats PC for ?

Originally posted by spidey-dude
whats PC for ?
Pre-Crisis.

Hey Goobie goobie doo,where were you?

Lately i mean

Uh, I don't think Thanos can take this one.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Hey Goobie goobie doo,where were you?

Lately i mean

For once, Thanos is probably screwed. PC Supes is a deus ex machina character. Has he EVER been beaten, besides by PC Darkseid?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
For once, Thanos is probably screwed. PC Supes is a deus ex machina character. Has he EVER been beaten, besides by PC Darkseid?

Yes, by Mongul, who was stronger than him.

Not convinced Thanos would lose this one, especially if Mongul was stronger than and defeated PC Superman.

PC Superman takes it rather easily. Even if you don't count the sneezing a solar system feat, he still moved thousands of planets at once from one galaxy to another, was able to re-arrange solar systems, toss a neutron star like a baseball, blew a sun using his breath to attack someone, etc..

Basically he had no limit to his strength that was shown. He wins.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Not convinced Thanos would lose this one, especially if Mongul was stronger than and defeated PC Superman.

What'd you mean?

Mongul is a loser these days, but Pre-Crisis Mongul was a damn beast. One time Superman managed to beat him, by going all out with speed and strength and heat vision...and fell into unconsciousness right after that.

The problem with PC Superman was that he was wildly inconsistent - sneezing out galaxies one issue & struggling with minor baddies the next.

PC Superman rather easily.

Hulk fought pre crisis so thanos kills him.

Originally posted by xmeat
Hulk fought pre crisis so thanos kills him.

What?

PC Supes wins this with little to no effort.

Originally posted by xmeat
Hulk fought pre crisis so thanos kills him.
Great logic there.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Not convinced Thanos would lose this one, especially if Mongul was stronger than and defeated PC Superman. You must not know who PC Superman is, and what he was capable of.

This is a guy that moved a Solar Systems worth of planets like they were nothing. This is the guy that tossed a trillion pounds like a tennis ball. This is the guy that could move planets with nothing more then his breath. This is the guy that could travel through time, on a whim, and under his own power.

Thanos is less than nothing when compared to PC Supes.

Wrong

Originally posted by Galan007
You must not know who PC Superman is, and what he was capable of.

This is a guy that moved a Solar Systems worth of planets like they were nothing. This is the guy that tossed a trillion pounds like a tennis ball. This is the guy that could move planets with nothing more then his breath. This is the guy that could travel through time, on a whim, and under his own power.

Thanos is less than nothing when compared to PC Supes. Originally posted by golem370
Wrong

I have evidence backing up every claim I just made

Pulling the Solar system feat:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8735/pc2oe7.th.jpg

The tossing trillions of tons feat:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1787/pc2mw9.th.jpg

moving a planet with his breath:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7511/pc1dc4.th.jpg

Traveling through time on a whim:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5249/pc3kz3.th.jpg



Let go of your bias, Thanos has NO chance here.

This really gets on my nerves; does NO ONE realize that pre crisis and post crisis could both be abbreviated PC?

Both pre and post start with a 'P,' afterall. I mean, it's not a big deal, but, seriously....

Meh.

a couple of those scans were superboy not superman.ahahah

Originally posted by xmeat
a couple of those scans were superboy not superman.ahahah Who the HELL do you think Superboy becomes?

If anything, he got STRONGER as he aged.

Hulk?

Originally posted by Galan007
Who the HELL do you think Superboy becomes?

If anything, he got STRONGER as he aged.

supes has fought superboy moron how can they be the same then.

Originally posted by xmeat
supes has fought superboy moron how can they be the same then. Your actually a bigger idiot then I first thought.

Stick to Hulk threads.

PC Superman can die, can't he? Afterall, he was shown to be an old man at age one million. This implies PC Superman is not immortal, but Thanos tends to be, given his frequent resurrections from Death and now especially with Keith Giffen's hint of him becoming Death.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
PC Superman can die, can't he? Afterall, he was shown to be an old man at age one million. This implies PC Superman is not immortal, but Thanos tends to be, given his frequent resurrections from Death and now especially with Keith Giffen's hint of him becoming Death. You do not have to kill an opponent to beat them.

Also, as one member has suggested in another forum, one of Thanos' powers tends to be his being one step ahead and knowing his foes well, one aspect of his god-like knowledge. I would suspect that with pred, he would defeat PC Superman much like he has the LT and most other Marvel cosmic beings.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Also, as one member has suggested in another forum, one of Thanos' powers tends to be his being one step ahead and knowing his foes well, one aspect of his god-like knowledge. I would suspect that with pred, he would defeat PC Superman much like he has the LT and most other Marvel cosmic beings. Dude, Thanos has only defeated "LT and the other cosmics" by using either the IG, or THOTI. He didn't beat them under his own power.

You're missing the point of any fictional universe.

When and where is the fight? In Death's realm, Superman's soul stands no chance. My point is simple. Too many if's when considering location, prep, and even destiny (for example, Orion ending Darkseid). I like to think of destiny as the writers' will, though. Giffen's killing Thanos was followed by outrage from a surprisingly large number of Thanos fans, which in turn was followed by Giffen appeasing them with the possibility of making him even stronger.

That last statement actually made no sense at all.

All you sound like is yet another Thanos fanboy, yet again, overhyping him to ridiculous levels.

This is why these Vs. threads really prove nothing, at least in regards to the future. But given the retcons, even the past isn't hallow ground. Perhaps a fiction that has ended definitively, but Marvel and DC are ongoing. So, they're open to difference and deference, a common problem in these threads.

Originally posted by boriquaking55
The problem with PC Superman was that he was wildly inconsistent - sneezing out galaxies one issue & struggling with minor baddies the next.
I agree.

Plus, when don't know WHEN the pre-crisis Supes comes from. It could be sandman supes.

PC Supes.

hOW DID THANOS BEAT LT.

Originally posted by xmeat
hOW DID THANOS BEAT LT.
He asked Hulk to do it for him.
It happened in Incredible Hulk 875.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dude, Thanos has only defeated "LT and the other cosmics" by using either the IG, or THOTI. He didn't beat them under his own power.

So? What matters is that he defeated them with prep. He knew what he wanted and how to get it, and he did. Downsizing this obvious characterization of Thanos' would be like downsizing Superman's intelligence to Bizarro's. Do you think Superman would be a good match then, if he were easily outwitted?

The way I see it, with prep Thanos could nearly defeat anyone, save the Gods of Marvel and DC in the monotheistic sense. And this thread's creater mentioned nothing of having no prep.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
So? What matters is that he defeated them with prep. He knew what he wanted and how to get it, and he did. Downsizing this obvious characterization of Thanos' would be like downsizing Superman's intelligence to Bizarro's. Do you think Superman would be a good match then, if he were easily outwitted?

The way I see it, with prep Thanos could nearly defeat anyone, save the Gods of Marvel and DC in the monotheistic sense. And this thread's creater mentioned nothing of having no prep. Have you even read the IG/The End saga's?

Thanos defeating the cosmics with the IG and THOTI had nothing to do with prep.

I hate trying to make a point to fanboys. It just gets frustrating.

If it pleases you to categorize me as a fanboy in order to more easily dismiss my points, then do so. My goal is not to frustrate you. Rather, my goal is to give valid points.

I own the IG and the End sagas. I know that he intentionally sought after each gem, for example, after studying from the Infinity Well.

im leaving this forum

Originally posted by Anonimator
im leaving this forum hi2

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
I own the IG and the End sagas. I know that he intentionally sought after each gem, for example, after studying from the Infinity Well. Yes, but he didn't defeat the cosmics with prep. He simply had more power then they did.

There was no prep involved where that is concerned.

But isn't there? He suspected their appearance eventually, which is a totally reasonable expectation.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
But isn't there? He suspected their appearance eventually, which is a totally reasonable expectation. Understand that prep was not required for Thanos to defeat these cosmics, he simply had much more power then they did.

How much prep would it require for you or me to see a cockroach, and step on it?

I voted for Thanos

With the IG alone, Thanos was able to sense the second battle wave with the cosmic beings. He knew Warlock and Silver Surfer were spying on him from afar, also.

Understand that preparation need not be necessary and can even be extraneous. Also, could it be that Thanos prepared for these battles all along and thus, his obtaining the IG. Ultimate power means defeating or being able to defeat those you wish below you.

Originally posted by Priest
I voted for Thanos

You lousy corksucker mad

I've always been of the opinion that PreCrisisSuperman was basicly spite against anything short of a god due to his "never lose" and "create a power at random" abilities. (but thats just me)

Originally posted by Galan007
Yes, but he didn't defeat the cosmics with prep. He simply had more power then they did.

There was no prep involved where that is concerned.

Studying who you are fighting against, planning ahead of time, and bringing the proper tech with you is considered prep. He had prep time to get to the HOTI, and he had prep to get to each of the gem holders. That's what the well of infinity was, a prep device. Without the well he would not have known about the true potential of the gems.

Prep is: Studying your opponent, planning ahead, preparing tech to use with you (such as bringing kryptonite if you would normally have access to it, etc.). So therefore studying the in-betweener for example, using the infinity well, and realizing the dilemna he was in and planning how to defeat him ahead of time, would be considered prep.

Originally posted by Kutulu
Studying who you are fighting against, planning ahead of time, and bringing the proper tech with you is considered prep. He had prep time to get to the HOTI, and he had prep to get to each of the gem holders. That's what the well of infinity was, a prep device. Without the well he would not have known about the true potential of the gems.

Prep is: Studying your opponent, planning ahead, preparing tech to use with you (such as bringing kryptonite if you would normally have access to it, etc.). So therefore studying the in-betweener for example, using the infinity well, and realizing the dilemna he was in and planning how to defeat him ahead of time, would be considered prep. I never once said it didn't take prep for Thanos to gain his power.

I said it didn't take prep for him to actually defeat the cosmics.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
You lousy corksucker mad
.....

Why do you think Thanos prepared to gain powers? In order to impress Death, even if that meant defeating the cosmics. I'm sure this is one of many scenarios he considered, given his long time spent with the infinity well and considering he outwitted Grandmaster, a super-genius at probability.

But suppose you're right. Nonetheless, if he knows ahead of time he needs or simply wants to defeat PC Superman, then obviously wouldn't he prepare likewise with ridiculously powerful artifacts?

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Nonetheless, if he knows ahead of time he needs or simply wants to defeat PC Superman, then obviously wouldn't he prepare likewise with ridiculously powerful artifacts? This thread is Thanos v.s. PC Superman.

It's not "Thanos /w/ IG v.s Supes", or Thanos /w/ THOTI v.s. Supes.


It's mono e mono baby!

and in that fight, Supes takes it every damn time.

This thread's creater typed nothing of having no prep. Furthermore, he speaks of Thanos just before his death, but which death? Perhaps right before his sacrifice with the HOTU, in which he defeats Superman rather easily?

Originally posted by Galan007
This thread is Thanos v.s. PC Superman.

It's not "Thanos /w/ IG v.s Supes", or Thanos /w/ THOTI v.s. Supes.


It's mono e mono baby!

and in that fight, Supes takes it every damn time.

*Mano y mano.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
This thread's creater typed nothing of no prep. Furthermore, he speaks of Thanos just before his death, but which death? Perhaps right before his sacrifice with the HOTU, in which he defeats Superman rather easily? That's so ridiculous that it's funny.

Since prep wasn't specified, by forum rules, there IS NO prep.

And by forum rules, we can assume that this is the most current version of Thanos.

And since no powerful artifacts were specified, there ARE NO artifacts.

Sorry... I know you like Thanos, and I know your digging for a win, but he has no chance here.

Originally posted by Soljer
*Mano y mano. Meh, that's how rich people spell it.

No, that's how Spanish ppl spell it. It means "hand and hand."

Anyway, I was unaware of the forum's rules of "exclusion unless specified," though it seems fairly arbitrary.

So you're saying no prep or powering-up?

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
So you're saying no prep or powering-up?

They must be specified in the fight. Alternately you can argue for how the character might achieve them during combat.

I'm afraid that would be difficult for Thanos unless they just happen to be in his pocket.

Still, this battle seems far too slanted in Superman's favor, and as I recall, there was a restriction on how far apart the power levels could be.

Depends. Is this "lose to a monkey in single combat" PC Supes? Or "sneeze a galaxy away" PC Supes?

Ah, but Thanos couldn't even just happen to have the HOTU in his pocket (which by the way, no one really knows what happened to it after Thanos' sacrifice, and considering he turned up alive...), because of the standard equipment rule. If you think about it, these rules are heavily biased against heroes and villains like Thanos who are characterized by their wits and being one step ahead. Instead, brute force is favored in arbitrary battles of blow to blow, despite it's being only one type of battle.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Ah, but Thanos couldn't even just happen to have the HOTU in his pocket (which by the way, no one really knows what happened to it after Thanos' sacrifice, and considering he turned up alive...), because of the standard equipment rule. If you think about it, these rules are heavily biased against heroes and villains like Thanos who are characterized by their wits and being one step ahead. Instead, brute force is favored in arbitrary battles of blow to blow, despite it's being only one type of battle. Dude, what don't you get about this?

THOTI is not part of Thanos's "standard equipment".

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Ah, but Thanos couldn't even just happen to have the HOTU in his pocket (which by the way, no one really knows what happened to it after Thanos' sacrifice, and considering he turned up alive...), because of the standard equipment rule. If you think about it, these rules are heavily biased against heroes and villains like Thanos who are characterized by their wits and being one step ahead. Instead, brute force is favored in arbitrary battles of blow to blow, despite it's being only one type of battle.

If you create a thread that gives a person prep time and conditions where they fight well the results change.

Originally posted by Galan007
Dude, what don't you get about this?

THOTI is not part of Thanos's "standard equipment".

Obviously, as I stated in your quote of me. Dude.

Why not have more inclusive rules for battles, giving the burden of restriction to the thread creator? For example, it could be assumed prep time is always there unless stated otherwise. Same for power-ups. And without these things, what good are a large portion of characters?

Gamesmaster is right about the thing with the writers, they can write what they want, so DC would never allow PC-Superman to loose to Thanos, the writers would have to find a way to make PC-Superman win. Thanos with the IG AND the HOTU would loose to God, PC-Superman as DCs icon is euqal to God in crossovers like this, sooooo he would beat IG-HOTU-Thanos, PIS FTW.

Thanos without the IG or HOTU stands no chance.

I voted for Superman, woahh don't be surprised :P.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Why not have more inclusive rules for battles, giving the burden of restriction to the thread creator? For example, it could be assumed prep time is always there unless stated otherwise. Same for power-ups. And without these things, what good are a large portion of characters? Because, if Thanos has the IG or THOTI, there is a very limited number of beings that can beat him.


If a thread starter wants these things, they can specify it in a particular thread.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Why not have more inclusive rules for battles, giving the burden of restriction to the thread creator? For example, it could be assumed prep time is always there unless stated otherwise. Same for power-ups. And without these things, what good are a large portion of characters?

That's dangerous talk, Gamesmaster. We can't risk upsetting the natural order. Who knows what could happen.

I see your point, too, Galan. If ppl just put Thanos, then few would be able to beat him if it's assumed he has the HOTU unless otherwise stated, and this wouldn't be an accurate portrayal of Thanos most of the time.

Still, the slant against battles of wit bothers me. Perhaps if only prep time is included unless otherwise stated...but this would slant against brawn, as Thanos with prep could beat nearly anyone. How perplexing.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
I see your point, too, Galan. If ppl just put Thanos, then few would be able to beat him if it's assumed he has the HOTU unless otherwise stated, and this wouldn't be an accurate portrayal of Thanos most of the time.Exactly.

Well, PC Superman wins given the conditions. How sad that Thanos had to be reduced to such conditions. He had a decent chance with prep.

Well, PC Superman kills Thanos, but there's always a next time with Thanos (and maybe some prep, too, as he plots revenge).

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Why not have more inclusive rules for battles, giving the burden of restriction to the thread creator? For example, it could be assumed prep time is always there unless stated otherwise. Same for power-ups. And without these things, what good are a large portion of characters?

IVe' been saying this for ever. THanos with no prep isn't really all that powerful and would lose to beings like DS easily.

Originally posted by Gamesmaster
Well, PC Superman wins given the conditions. How sad that Thanos had to be reduced to such conditions. He had a decent chance with prep.

Well, PC Superman kills Thanos, but there's always a next time with Thanos (and maybe some prep, too, as he plots revenge).

Don't feel bad about it, PC Superman had powers so ridiculous that the DC writers themselves had to stop it. When you casually hurl a neutron star thousands of miles with just a baseball style throw, as a young boy, then grow up to be even stronger... then there isn't much sub-cosmic that can stand up to him. He was basically stronger than everybody else unless the writers said he was weaker than someone specifically. When you can literally blow a sun towards someone, as an attack, using just super-breath, well... what the heck can withstand that kind of power?

You would need a skyfather level being to defeat him basically.

Originally posted by Kutulu
You would need a skyfather level being to defeat him basically.

Nah. Just Mongul

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Nah. Just Mongul

Mongul fell into this category:
" He was basically stronger than everybody else unless the writers said he was weaker than someone specifically. "

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Depends. Is this "lose to a monkey in single combat" PC Supes? Or "sneeze a galaxy away" PC Supes?

Originally posted by Galan007
I have evidence backing up every claim I just made

Pulling the Solar system feat:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8735/pc2oe7.th.jpg

The tossing trillions of tons feat:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1787/pc2mw9.th.jpg

moving a planet with his breath:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7511/pc1dc4.th.jpg

Traveling through time on a whim:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5249/pc3kz3.th.jpg



Let go of your bias, Thanos has NO chance here. In another one, I used to have of him blowing a star at his enemy, lol.

Originally posted by Juntai
In another one, I used to have of him blowing a star at his enemy, lol. Yeah, here's that scan:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/6558/pc11gu1.th.gif


Some of the things he could do were ridiculous, but PC Supes deserves more credit then some people give him around here lol.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IVe' been saying this for ever. THanos with no prep isn't really all that powerful and would lose to beings like DS easily.


this ds

I have recanted my stance on Thanos losing to PC Superman for sure. Due to PC Superman's inconsistency in power, how are we sure he will be strongest? Plus, this seems to insinuate that PC Superman lacks the quick wit and ability to strategize in the heat of battle...otherwise, why lose to much lesser villains? If you respond with the writers, then how are we certain the writers would not have Thanos win anyway? See this endless loop of difference and deference?

Originally posted by Galan007
I have evidence backing up every claim I just made

Pulling the Solar system feat:
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/8735/pc2oe7.th.jpg

The tossing trillions of tons feat:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/1787/pc2mw9.th.jpg

moving a planet with his breath:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7511/pc1dc4.th.jpg

Traveling through time on a whim:
http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5249/pc3kz3.th.jpg



Let go of your bias, Thanos has NO chance here. That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life

Originally posted by jostopholees
That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life

Superman ftw

Pre Crisis Superman kills Thanos and Darkseid at the same time.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
For once, Thanos is probably screwed. PC Supes is a deus ex machina character. Has he EVER been beaten, besides by PC Darkseid?

Pc Darkseid is as strong as the one in my signature. Stop being a biased fanboy. Darkseid is weak.

Originally posted by jostopholees
That's the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life Does that matter to me?


This thread is concerning PC Superman, and those are PC Superman feats. doped

Originally posted by DevilGoblin
Pc Darkseid is as strong as the one in my signature. Stop being a biased fanboy. Darkseid is weak.

No one is being biased. Check out Darkseid's respect thread...

And if you think Doomsday is as strong as PC Superman, then you're the one being biased.

There is also the infamous "sneeze" incident:
http://img57.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pctr7.jpg