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Ok this is Dr.strange with the helmet of nabu and .. that alone would place hime above sky farther... vs this three sky farthers...

Strange in a curbstomp . . .

Originally posted by supremthor
Ok this is Dr.strange with the helmet of nabu and .. that alone would place hime above sky farther... vs this three sky farthers...

Is the Helmet more powerful than the Runes?

it must be if its was able to face of spectre....

remember there is a different between wearing the helmen and Nabu. as it was made clear in DOV special when the spectre said haven't I already defeated you and Nabu reply you fought fate not me. so strange having the halmet is different than Nabu fighting the spectre

For the sake of arguement, let's just say it's Dr. Strangefate, with Nabu's full power. I could see him winning with some prep at that point.

Originally posted by supremthor
it must be if its was able to face of spectre....
And lose horribly.

Originally posted by King Kandy
And lose horribly.

not really... i show you da scans in a min

Originally posted by supremthor
not really... i show you da scans in a min
... Spectre crushed the helmet around fates head... In one page.

the scans

http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/8479/nabuvsspectre1fw1.jpg
http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9088/nabuvsspectre2bx8.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/3449/nabuvsspectre3fm1.jpg
http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9341/nabuvsspectre4wv9.jpg
http://img47.imageshack.us/img47/5575/nabuvsspectre5lz3.jpg
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/3144/nabuvsspectre6pm6.jpg
http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/9607/nabuvsspectre7ac2.jpg
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/8492/nabuvsspectre8tv6.jpg
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8302/nabuvsspectre9tw6.jpg
http://img459.imageshack.us/img459/5776/nabuvsspectre10ak6.jpg

To last that long against the Spectre, and to survive the battle..... Strange may not need prep. Nabu is easily Skyfather level. So, supremthor, does he have the helmet, or the full power? Your answer will determine whether Strange can win or not.

ok nabu is skyfather..........so why would that put him above THREE skyfathers

Originally posted by Mider999
ok nabu is skyfather..........so why would that put him above THREE skyfathers He isn't... he is above.

Strange loses. His power, plus Dr. Fate's power, plus Nabu's power, is not equal to three skyfathers.

Originally posted by tjcoady
Strange loses. His power, plus Dr. Fate's power, plus Nabu's power, is not equal to three skyfathers. So... basically, someone as powerful (or able to stalemate) as Spectre... is not equal to three Skyfathers?

Did Skyfather get upgraded to abstract level or something?

Originally posted by bigbran
So... basically, someone as powerful (or able to stalemate) as Spectre... is not equal to three Skyfathers?

Did Skyfather get upgraded to abstract level or something?

Skyfather isn't a lv.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Skyfather isn't a lv. I know, it is a title in comics.
Also, Skyfather level, is a placement of power, on the forums.

But here (and comics), Odin is a Skyfather, Zues is a Skyfather, and RKT might as well be one as well (I mean, Odin's power, and full understanding of Ruins?).

What I'm saying, is that, Odin (the most powerful Skyfather) isn't an abstract level, or that the level Odin is on, isn't that high.

I've always seen the Lords of Chaos and Order as just a few rungs above skyfather... a great deal more powerful, but if Odin were to throw down with Nabu, it wouldn't be a COMPLETE curbstomp at all. would you disagree? Thus, in my reasoning, a being who is say... about 1.5 skyfather, and two beings who are much under skyfather, wouldn't beat three of them. I could very well be wrong though, so if you disagree, I'd love to hear your arguments.

Originally posted by tjcoady
I've always seen the Lords of Chaos and Order as just a few rungs above skyfather... a great deal more powerful, but if Odin were to throw down with Nabu, it wouldn't be a COMPLETE curbstomp at all. would you disagree? Thus, in my reasoning, a being who is say... about 1.5 skyfather, and two beings who are much under skyfather, wouldn't beat three of them. I could very well be wrong though, so if you disagree, I'd love to hear your arguments. Well, my argument is in the comic itself.

You have one being, fighting the wrath of God, egging him on the whole fight, telling him to kill him, and basically equal the whole fight.

Also, we have all saw how Shazam faced him even in his most powerful form. We have saw how Billy (basically Shazam), backed by some really powerful magic users handled it.
We have saw how Myx, Phantom Stranger, Fate, Black Alice all did.

Then, comes Nabu (scans above).

Are you telling me that Strange (beat Mephisto in his own realm, the skyfather level), and Nabu can't totally stomp Odin by himself?
Are you saying that Odin wouldn't get stomped?

Anyway... "Spectre", should say the whole thing right there.

How would Rune King Thor, Odin, and Zues do?

Also, can we kind of put Spectre on the same level as some of the weaker Celestials (...)?

Strange beating Mephisto is kind of an odd things... Mephisto once told the Surfer that he never uses his full power against mortals, because if he destroyed them he could not take their souls.

I've been thinking about the whole days of vengeance storyline, and I've kind of come up with a theory about it, concerning the Spectre.

The Spectre, as the embodiment of God's wrath, draws his power directly from the Presence. However, he gains more power when he is doing something that god ordered him to do... ie, he can draw upon enough power to accomplish whatever is necessary. however, when operating on his own (as he was during days of vengeance, because God had not ordered him to do it) he was at a much weaker state than he is in many of his other showings... at only his base power levels, using only the power he had within himself, by virtue of who he is. this theory may be completely off base, but it would explain why nabu was able to survive his attacks so many times. agree or disagree?

Originally posted by tjcoady
Strange beating Mephisto is kind of an odd things... Mephisto once told the Surfer that he never uses his full power against mortals, because if he destroyed them he could not take their souls.

I've been thinking about the whole days of vengeance storyline, and I've kind of come up with a theory about it, concerning the Spectre.

The Spectre, as the embodiment of God's wrath, draws his power directly from the Presence. However, he gains more power when he is doing something that god ordered him to do... ie, he can draw upon enough power to accomplish whatever is necessary. however, when operating on his own (as he was during days of vengeance, because God had not ordered him to do it) he was at a much weaker state than he is in many of his other showings... at only his base power levels, using only the power he had within himself, by virtue of who he is. this theory may be completely off base, but it would explain why nabu was able to survive his attacks so many times. agree or disagree? He said he could crush Surfer with a thought, but he needs his soul.
Now, Strange does have some showings to support this though. Shuma Gorath?

Also, it sounds good, but... you forgot that he also stripped Mxy of his power. He was still up "there" in raw power.
Turning Phantom Stranger into a mouse? Phantom Stranger, who many consider a Skyfather level, and by some, higher.