Dark phoenix vs HOM wanda

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xmeat
debate

guy222
Originally posted by xmeat
debate

DP

Galan007
Originally posted by xmeat
debate *cough* Wanda *cough*

invisiblewoman
is this a joke ?

WANDA

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by invisiblewoman
is this a joke ?

WANDA

Wanda has human reactions and human durability until she applies her power to herself. Thats not the case with DP. Dp smokes Wanda before she can blink. smile

Galan007
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda has human reactions and human durability until she applies her power to herself. Thats not the case with DP. Dp smokes Wanda before she can blink. smile I'm surprised GS!

I can't believe that you of all people would actually choose the Phoenix as the victor.

You normally hate Phoenix don't you?


stick out tongue

juggernaut66666
PH03N1X 1ZZZZ T0TalLY T3H PWNZORZZZZZZ!!!!!!!
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Mr Master
Spite thread,

this is way too easy for Wanda.


Wanda in a serious curbstomp


Wanda 10/10

GalacticStorm
Wandas greatest feat is warping reality on planet Earth.

Despite claims from some people nowhere has it been stated that she warped the entire universe. Roma states that it was just a global alteration:


http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018233635.jpg

The intro of all the HOM Uncanny X-men issues referred to Wanda changing just the world:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913453063.jpg

Even in that House of M What If it referred to how Wanda warped just the world:


peace to the world:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913593833.jpg


global change:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913593937.jpg


a peaceful world:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913594088.jpg

Prove she warped the entire universe as opposed to just the planet as per Romas words and the editorial introduction.

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Mr Master
Spite thread,

this is way too easy for Wanda.


Wanda in a serious curbstomp


Wanda 10/10
Wanda can win if she can create laser guns.......313

Mr Master
laughing



"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg



laughing out loud

bean_machine
No not another one of these nth page threads with the same scans posted over and over and no agreement on the interpretations whatsoever.

Mr Master
MORE of Wanda the "god"



Wanda Accelarates Genis-vell's powers to their Full Potential.



Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg



"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg



"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...



"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg



Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg

Finally Genis allows himself to be shut down by using a "Bioagent" that Slows Down his Metabolic rate to the point of Catatonia.



Genis-Vell, even while Insane, was NEVER and has Never been able to Blink the Universe In and Out of Existence,

during Wanda's Reality Warp it was a different story.

Mr Master
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Wanda can win if she can create laser guns.......313


"Phoenix AGAIN REGAINED Her FULL, GodLike Powers"

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6364/3496xr9.th.jpg



Then gets ZAPPED ONCE and DIES.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2479/f5km4ab7.th.jpg



Different angle:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1296/f6io2.th.jpg

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
laughing



"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg



laughing out loud

Youre trying to present the same single change as multiple changes. Dont. Thats deceitful.

In those scans Wanda is remaking reality and the change is being shown gradually over 3 panels. All 3 of those panels feature Beak slowly being engulfed in energy. They do NOT show Wanda remaking reality 3 times.

Also saying Wanda is remaking reality reality 616 does not change the fact that Roma the omniversal guardian and the writers/editors said it was a global change. If Wanda is remaking the reality of Earth 616 then she is remaking reality 616. The Exiles and their adventures are all done from an Earth perspective

Exiles issue 70:

The WORLD turned white

They find that Beaks native reality EARTH 616 has been transformed while they were away.

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914182984.jpg


The editors referring to Beaks native reality when theyre actually talking about just the earth.




The intro page in the issue after Mr Masters scans of reality being changed:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914224436.jpg

"The House of M reality has once again been revised.

The Exiles were forced to withdraw leaving Beak and Angel to face whatever new fate has befallen EARTH 616!!!"

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
MORE of Wanda the "god"



Wanda Accelarates Genis-vell's powers to their Full Potential.



Genis begins Blinking The Universe IN and OUT of existence

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9793/w30cw9.th.jpg



"For one second, EVERYTHING Collapsed, and Expanded, like an Accordian"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2769/w31cd3.th.jpg



"Private Vell has become a Spacial Conduit"
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3838/w32br6.th.jpg
"We must find him soon, OR...



"OR this entire Universe might Disappear in the Blink of an Eye"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2193/w33vb3.th.jpg



Genis blinks the Universe In and Out once more
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/7870/w35mr1.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6818/w36pd9.th.jpg

Finally Genis allows himself to be shut down by using a "Bioagent" that Slows Down his Metabolic rate to the point of Catatonia.



Genis-Vell, even while Insane, was NEVER and has Never been able to Blink the Universe In and Out of Existence,

during Wanda's Reality Warp it was a different story.

Wasnt a result of Wandas reality warp. Anyone who reads Thunderbolts will know thats rubbish.

Genis Vell was affecting reality because of how Baron Zemo brought him back to life in 616 BEFORE HOM:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29020020164.jpg

Baron Zemo brought him back using matter from the Big Bang. Universes in marvel are closed systems so all energy in a marvel universe derives from its Big Bang, so by using matter from the Big Bang on Genis, Genis was connected to the entire timeline of reality and using his power caused reactions with photonic activity across said timeline.

Absolutely nothing to do with House of M.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
"Phoenix AGAIN REGAINED Her FULL, GodLike Powers"

http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6364/3496xr9.th.jpg



Then gets ZAPPED ONCE and DIES.

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/2479/f5km4ab7.th.jpg



Different angle:

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1296/f6io2.th.jpg

Dealt with this scan before when it was used in the exact same way. Please dont do so again otherwise i will ignore your PM.

The actual ending of Uncanny X-men 137 as opposed to the inaccurate summary of the issue Mr Master is using:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/11/30622013771.jpg

Jean let the X-men beat her down and didnt power up because she wanted to make herself vulnerable for the machniery which SHE then used on herself to end her physical form

King_Mungi
Gah! Mr.Master and GS have your one-on-one battle thread already sad

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Youre trying to present the same single change as multiple changes. Dont. Thats deceitful.

In those scans Wanda is remaking reality and the change is being shown gradually over 3 panels. All 3 of those panels feature Beak slowly being engulfed in energy. They do NOT show Wanda remaking reality 3 times.

No one said Anything about 3 times,

don't try and take the attention off the FACT:

Originally posted by Mr Master
"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg

When Beak says, "She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"

That's because Wanda had Remade Reality before,

how many times?

Who knows.

But it was MORE than Once for sure.

Mordum
WHAT ABOUT THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! mad

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/8990/410022xm1.th.jpg

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
No one said Anything about 3 times,

don't try and take the attention off the FACT:



When Beak says, "She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"

That's because Wanda had Remade Reality before,

how many times?

Who knows.

But it was MORE than Once for sure.

If you bothered to read my last post you'd see my scan refers to the change occurring in your scan. The change occurring in your scan is the "NO MORE MUTANTS" change. Wanda is remaking reality again with that change because prior to that she brought into place the House of M reality to begin with. Thats what it means by remaking reality 616 again.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wasnt a result of Wandas reality warp. Anyone who reads Thunderbolts will know thats rubbish.

Genis Vell was affecting reality because of how Baron Zemo brought him back to life in 616 BEFORE HOM:
Baron Zemo brought him back using matter from the Big Bang. Universes in marvel are closed systems so all energy in a marvel universe derives from its Big Bang, so by using matter from the Big Bang on Genis, Genis was connected to the entire timeline of reality and using his power caused reactions with photonic activity across said timeline.

Absolutely nothing to do with House of M.

Go ahead, and show us just ONE Scan in which Geni-Vell,

BLINKS the Universe In and Out of Existence.


Show us just ONE Scan in which Genis even just destroys One Universe, without the help of Entropy.


And don't bring out Zemo's visions of the Future where Genis will be able to this.

I want Genis doing it in the PRESENT,

as he did AFTER Wanda's Reality Warp

and NEVER did again, after HOM Thunderbolts.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If you bothered to read my last post you'd see my scan refers to the change occurring in your scan. The change occurring in your scan is the "NO MORE MUTANTS" change. Wanda is remaking reality again with that change because prior to that she brought into place the House of M reality to begin with. Thats what it means by remaking reality 616 again.

What difference does it make,


Wanda still Re-Created the 616 Universe more than ONCE!


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg



And Wanda boosted Genis' current Powers aswell.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
Go ahead, and show us just ONE Scan in which Geni-Vell,

BLINKS the Universe In and Out of Existence.


Show us just ONE Scan in which Genis even just destroys One Universe, without the help of Entropy.


And don't bring out Zemo's visions of the Future where Genis will be able to this.

I want Genis doing it in the PRESENT,

as he did AFTER Wanda's Reality Warp

and NEVER did again, after HOM Thunderbolts.

Speculation. It is stated on panel and depicted that the reason for Genis disrupting space and time is down to the Big Bang, it has nothing to do with Wanda. You are speculating, your evidence is circumstantial. Present a conclusive on panel statement saying that Wanda boosted Genis or dont try and present that opinion as fact. As far as on panel evidence goes its not. Thats just what you've interpreted.

Once again not good enough.

I dont wanna see anything but conclusive proof.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
What difference does it make,


Wanda still Re-Created the 616 Universe more than ONCE!


"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg



And Wanda boosted Genis' current Powers aswell.

Prove it was the universe. As far as on panel evidence goes it was just the Earth. Ive shown how the Exiles talk from a global perspective and how when they've spoken of a reality they've literally meant that realitys version of Earth. Read back to my previous posts.

Either way one ambiguous statement isnt good enough. Especially when the point im trying to make is actually stated by a reputable source i.e Romas "GLOBAL alteration", the writer/editors intros from both Exiles and Uncanny X-men stating it to have been just a global change and the What If whilst not conclusive evidence in itself still helps paint the picture that it was just global with its many references to a global change as ive shown.

You on the other hand have nothing, but an ambiguous statement. One where the same title itself actually clarifies and says was a global change.

Unlucky. No evidence stating your point, no win for you erm

GalacticStorm
Wandas biggest feat is warping the Earth. Impressive however she is far from Phoenix, far from many a cosmic in light of that. Phoenix destroys her.

Galan007
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Prove it was the universe. As far as on panel evidence goes it was just the Earth. When someone says, "show proof that Phoenix can destroy a Universe", aren't you the one whom simply shows the scans of Phoenix healing a Universe and not actually destroying one?

That's not proof either.

Don't pick and choose what you want to interpret as feats.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Speculation. It is stated on panel and depicted that the reason for Genis disrupting space and time is down to the Big Bang, it has nothing to do with Wanda. You are speculating, your evidence is circumstantial. Present a conclusive on panel statement saying that Wanda boosted Genis or dont try and present that opinion as fact. As far as on panel evidence goes its not. Thats just what you've interpreted.

Once again not good enough.

I dont wanna see anything but conclusive proof.


Wanda made Xavier more powerful just by him arriving at Genosha (where Wanda lived)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2752/w21gb8.th.jpg



Wanda gave Layla Miller the power to Perceive Divergent Realities
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5967/w10ej7.th.jpg
"Layla showed Cage glimpses of his life prior to the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"





Wanda gave every being on Earth the ability to make their Wishes become Reality.



Xavier's
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2737/w3dq4.th.jpg


Xavier thinks he's Dreaming at first
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7985/w4wg7.th.jpg


Here Gaby tells him she's existing in another Reality simultaneously, because of Wanda
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8683/w5au3.th.jpg



Spiderman's
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8833/w18zy4.th.jpg



All the Xmen's really, but I'm not going to bother posting them all, you get the point.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3315/wanda19kr3.th.jpg



Genis-Vell's
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2424/w21lm5.th.jpg

And on and on...and Again, Wanda gave THEM the Power to shape their own Dreams, (Without THEM even noticing)

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Galan007
When someone says, "show proof that Phoenix can destroy a Universe", aren't you the one whom simply shows the scans of Phoenix healing a Universe and not actually destroying one?

That's not proof either.

Don't pick and choose what you want to interpret as feats.

Not in the slightest. I show scans of comparative feats, feats of a level which make it conceivable that Phoenix could do so. For example Phoenix binding a multiversal power, or Phoenix destroying a universe in an alternate reality, or Phoenix materializing the matter of an entire in the palm of her hand. If Phoenix can demonstrate telekinetic control of the matter of an entire universe in the palm of her hand materializing it at an atomic level from one place to another then its completely conceivable that if it was he intention she could destroy that universe.

If Psylocke telekinetically dimsantled a mountain down to its atoms and materialized it in another location completely intact how could anyone credibly argue against a claim that Psylocke could destroy that mountain if she wanted to, or even create such a mountain if she wanted to if she had sufficient matter at hand?

See the difference? Feats of a comparative level.

Wanda has none. As far as we've been told, on panel and by the writers/editors, she warped the planet and that is that.

Beg to differ?

Provide the evidence.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Prove it was the universe. As far as on panel evidence goes it was just the Earth. Ive shown how the Exiles talk from a global perspective and how when they've spoken of a reality they've literally meant that realitys version of Earth.

I CHALLENGE you to find ONE time in that issue where Beak or any other refer to Earth 616 as Reality 616.


The only time the 616 Reality is mentioned is when concerning Wanda's Reality Warp.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Either way one ambiguous statement isnt good enough. Especially when the point im trying to make is actually stated by a reputable source i.e Romas "GLOBAL alteration"

When Wanda's Reality Warp reached a Global Scale it Breached the Walls of Causality,

the Warp itself kept on expanding.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
and the What If whilst not conclusive evidence in itself still helps paint the picture that it was just global with its many references to a global change as ive shown.

"What If?"


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You on the other hand have nothing, but an ambiguous statement. One where the same title itself actually clarifies and says was a global change.

I have Beak telling us it was the 616 Reality (Universe)

I have Wanda giving Layla the power to "Perceive Divergent Realities"

I have Genis-Vell Blinking the Universe In and Out of Existence
(which he's NEVER done before or After)


I have the Official BIOS of 4 Characters,

where it's clearly stated that the Chaos Wave was Wanda's Reality Warp


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Unlucky. No evidence stating your point, no win for you

In your opinion perhaps,

everyone else see's it the way Marvel Officially certified it.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wandas biggest feat is warping the Earth. Impressive however she is far from Phoenix, far from many a cosmic in light of that. Phoenix destroys her.

Wanda's biggest Feat was Collapsing the Omniverse without even trying with the Chaos Wave.


Besides Re-Creating the 616 Universe in her image.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda made Xavier more powerful just by him arriving at Genosha (where Wanda lived)
http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/2752/w21gb8.th.jpg


Where does it state that or is it just suggested? Inconclusive. Its suggested Phoenix has links with God. Are we to take that as canon? confused No. Because the point isnt stated or shown to be conclusively the case so its not.




Not canon that Layla Miller is a creation of the Scarlet Witches. That has been alluded to, because of her power and the fact that she debuted during House Of M. Seems the case, some characters think its the case, however the point hasnt been made canon.





Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda gave every being on Earth the ability to make their Wishes become Reality.



Xavier's
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2737/w3dq4.th.jpg


Xavier thinks he's Dreaming at first
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/7985/w4wg7.th.jpg




Originally posted by Mr Master
Spiderman's
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8833/w18zy4.th.jpg



All the Xmen's really, but I'm not going to bother posting them all, you get the point.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3315/wanda19kr3.th.jpg



Genis-Vell's
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/2424/w21lm5.th.jpg

And on and on...and Again, Wanda gave THEM the Power to shape their own Dreams, (Without THEM even noticing)

Correction. Wanda used Xaviers power to co-ordinate her own and do what she couldnt do herself....learn everyones deepest desires so that she could create a reality on earth that was convincing and desired by all her friends:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4916363083.jpg


The below scan doesnt state or show what your commentary would have us believe it does. Its vague as hell. Post the rest or drop the point.


Originally posted by Mr Master
Here Gaby tells him she's existing in another Reality simultaneously, because of Wanda
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8683/w5au3.th.jpg

King Kandy
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wandas biggest feat is warping the Earth. Impressive however she is far from Phoenix, far from many a cosmic in light of that. Phoenix destroys her.
Don't forget that she breached the walls of causality... Everything else might have been a chain reaction, but no-one can argue that she didn't do that part on her own.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
For example Phoenix binding a multiversal power,

Phoenix has NEVER done anything on a Multiversal Scale.

The Excalibur Tower was VIA the Interface Alignment, so I can only wonder what you're talking about.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
or Phoenix destroying a universe in an alternate reality,

The Phoenix Force did destroy a Divergent Reality, in a "What If" Comic Book.


Not the 616 Universe,


unlike Wanda who made the 616 Universe her playpen.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
or Phoenix materializing the matter of an entire in the palm of her hand. If Phoenix can demonstrate telekinetic control of the matter of an entire universe in the palm of her hand materializing it at an atomic level from one place to another then its completely conceivable that if it was he intention she could destroy that universe.



Jean Amputated the Future in issue #154.

Here Comes Tomorrow began in issue #150.

(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006 - Here Comes Tomorrow bio)
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5711/earth1dz5.th.jpg
Here Comes Tomorrow, took place on Earth-15104 and began in issue #150





"In ONE Future, Phoenix severed the Alternate Future of Reality - 15104
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/5749/n2uo1.th.jpg
(excerpt from the OHOTMU 2006 - Mkraan Crystal bio)


It clearly says "Phoenix amputated the Alternate Future OF Reality 15104" ...

NOT of Reality 616 which then became 15104.





Also




Phoenix was only able to materialize Universe 15104 because she was in the White Hot Room.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2711/earth2og1re0.th.jpg
"Shifting Herself into the Phoenix Force's Home Dimension (WHR) Jean was able to Heal the Wounded Orphan Universe"


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Wanda has none. As far as we've been told, on panel and by the writers/editors, she warped the planet and that is that.

laughing


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Beg to differ?

Provide the evidence.

What's the point friend,

you know you'll just tap dance around the facts,

cause no one can do anything except for Phoenix. shifty

juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Mr Master

cause no one can do anything except for Phoenix. shifty
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GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
I CHALLENGE you to find ONE time in that issue where Beak or any other refer to Earth 616 as Reality 616.


The only time the 616 Reality is mentioned is when concerning Wanda's Reality Warp.

Ive posted scans from the intro page of Exiles referring to just the world being changed. No more needs to be said on that matter:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914224436.jpg




Originally posted by Mr Master
When Wanda's Reality Warp reached a Global Scale it Breached the Walls of Causality,

the Warp itself kept on expanding.

Thats not what was stated. Roma stated that there was a global alteration that breached the walls of causality. Thats different to what you said. She marks out the scale of the change and her words are in line with the intro pages of both Exiles and Uncanny X-men:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913453063.jpg

"Transforming the WORLD into a mutant utopia"




Originally posted by Mr Master
"What If?"

Read my previous post. That should have been done anyway.




Originally posted by Mr Master
I have Beak telling us it was the 616 Reality (Universe)

I have Wanda giving Layla the power to "Perceive Divergent Realities"

I have Genis-Vell Blinking the Universe In and Out of Existence
(which he's NEVER done before or After)


I have the Official BIOS of 4 Characters,

where it's clearly stated that the Chaos Wave was Wanda's Reality Warp

Layla Miller is not by canon a creation of Wandas. The point has been ALLUDED to. It remains to be seen if that is ACTUALLY the case. Regradless, giving someone the power to see through into other realities isnt evidence that she warped the entire universe LOL

Youre speculating about the Genis Vell point. Provide an on panel statement pertaining to your point or give it up. Your evidence is circumstantial. Genis' universal threat level was established both before and after HOM and it wasnt due to anything Wanda did to him but instead because of his connection with the Big Bang.

Your 4 bios call the chaos wave Wandas reality warp, which it is. It is Wandas reality warp out of control without her knowledge. What does that have to do with your opinion that Wanda warped the entire 616 universe as opposed to just Earth 616 as stated by Roma the omniversal guardian, as stated by the writers/editors of Exiles and Uncanny X-men and as supported by the depiction of Wandas changes in the recent What If.

The point we're arguing, (the scale of Wandas reality warp) is actually stated and what is stated fits in with my argument. Youre ignoring that because it doesnt fit in with your personal opinion and youre trying to tie together unrelated incidents in an effort to paint YOUR picture of Wanda having actually warped the universe. Thats not good enough. Its actually stated as far as my arguments concerned, please provide some directly related evidence to support your side i.e a statement saying "Wanda warped the entire 616 universe" otherwise what you have just isnt good enough.



Originally posted by Mr Master
In your opinion perhaps,

everyone else see's it the way Marvel Officially certified it.

Certified nothing that helps your argument or affects mine in the slightest. The point im trying to make, the issue we're arguing over is actually stated by multiple sources and whats stated is GLOBAL and WORLD. You have an ambiguous statement and various unrelated events of a different nature that occurred during HOM that youre trying to tie together. NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Where does it state that or is it just suggested? Inconclusive. Its suggested Phoenix has links with God. Are we to take that as canon? confused No. Because the point isnt stated or shown to be conclusively the case so its not.

This is my point,

what's the point of debating with you, forget it,

I try and be cool but you make it boring, cause you NEVER accept anything that disputes what you're spreading.



Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Not canon that Layla Miller is a creation of the Scarlet Witches. That has been alluded to, because of her power and the fact that she debuted during House Of M. Seems the case, some characters think its the case, however the point hasnt been made canon.

It's not Canon and yet this is Layla's Official 2006 Marvel bio,

beside the Fact that it was illustarted On Panel:


Wanda was undefeatable, and ended up creating a plot device, to defeat herself in the form of:
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/5747/l1gf8.th.jpg
Layla Miller



Layla was able to bring back the memories that Wanda took away from the World
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/9613/l7em4.th.jpg



Dr Strange was one of the many, that NEEDED Layla's Help
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/8194/l6bc9.th.jpg



And like I said, Wanda Re-Created Layla Miller
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1018/lbs8.th.jpg




The Original Layla is a psychic, Wanda's Layla is operating with whole New Power
http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/7631/w1dd1.th.jpg
"Your Psychic Powers, are psychic but Not psychic, Not like anything I've ever seen"



"Girly WHAT are you?"....."She AIN'T Human"
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8707/l8nv8.th.jpg
"I never felt anything like that"....."None of us have"





Go ahead and Dance.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Correction. Wanda used Xaviers power to co-ordinate her own and do what she couldnt do herself....learn everyones deepest desires so that she could create a reality on earth that was convincing and desired by all her friends:

The below scan doesnt state or show what your commentary would have us believe it does. Its vague as hell. Post the rest or drop the point.

Whatever,

if this is your style of debating,

I don't see why I should continue.

GalacticStorm
I like how you diverted to demeaning Phoenix instead of countering my points on the Wanda argument. Always your way when you have nothing left to say.

Either way you got handled in my thread over the Phoenix issue:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/437478_7-respect-the-phoenix-shifty#post8412464

I'll be back tomorrow. Early start. Nite nite. wink

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I like how you diverted to demeaning Phoenix instead of countering my points on the Wanda argument. Always your way when you have nothing left to say.

Either way you got handled in my thread over the Phoenix issue:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/437478_7-respect-the-phoenix-shifty#post8412464

I'll be back tomorrow. Early start. Nite nite. wink


laughing

Mr Master
Beast explains

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/8301/w6el9.th.jpg



Strange explaining Wanda's power

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/6681/w10if9.th.jpg


Respect Wanda.

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You cant say definitely because that hasnt been shown to be the case on panel.

Merlyn speculated that he would become such a threat.

Now the Omniversal Guardian is speculating,

because of course what would he know.


Now when it's convenient, the Omniversal Guardian's Word is Law
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
does not change the fact that Roma the omniversal guardian said it was a global change.

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Especially when the point im trying to make is actually stated by a reputable source i.e Romas "GLOBAL alteration",

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Roma stated that there was a global alteration that breached the walls of causality.

laughing


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
We were shown future possibilities where Jaspers had become a great threat to existence hopwever they were possibilities. None of that actually happened, so you are wrong to say that.

Just like "Here Comes Tomorrow" NEVER happened.


Cobweb SAW the FUTURE, and in the Future Jaspers WARPED

the entire Omniverse.


Luckily he was stopped before this Future came to pass.


Had this story taken place in the Future, like Jean's "Here Comes Tomorrow"


We would have been able to see the Jaspers' Omniverse.



eg.

Had Grant Morrison not quantum leaped 150 Years into this X-Men controlled secluded Future, (where there are NO Heroes except for X-Men laughing out loud )

there would be no Jean & Reality 15104 in her hands.


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
does not change the fact that Roma the omniversal guardian said it was a global change.

Does not change the Fact that Merlyn, her Father and Original Omniversal Guardian said,

if this Version of Jaspers is not stopped,

"the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"

Mr Master
Bio and On Panel accounts depicting the Phoenix Force getting OWNED



1.

Bio

"The FORCE was Transported to the Ultraverse by a Sentient Alien Starship"
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/6177/p1uc0.th.jpg




On Panel verification


While the PHOENIX FORCE is in it's NATURAL STATE

The SHIP, rips a HOLE in Space & Time in front of the PHOENIX FORCE in it's own Universe
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6522/p1rc5.th.jpg

"Out of one marvelous Universe and into another"

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6805/p2ek6.th.jpg




continues in the next post ...

Mr Master
2.

Bio


"it intended to use the FORCE'S Energy to power the recombination ... IMPALED on a Lance of Energy ... WOUNDED the Force sought out a host to Protect it as it HEALED"
http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/8973/p2us8.th.jpg




On Panel verification


"Impaled, Spitted, the PHOENIX writhes as it's LIFE is SUCKED OUT"
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/57/p3xa6.th.jpg
"It has never known PAIN of this magnitude, it SCREAMS"



"It's willfully TORTURING the PHOENIX" ..... am I imagining things, or is it's FIRE GOING OUT, the COLORS are FADING, like it's DYING"
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/2048/p4ah2.th.jpg
"TRULY, the PHOENIX is BATTLING for IT'S LIFE against the sear of Light that is STRIPPING it's POWER AWAY"


http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2513/p5mr2.th.jpg
"WOUNDED the PHOENIX FALLS, to SURVIVE, to MEND, to HEAL, it MUST find a Host"




continues in the next post ....

Mr Master
3.

Bio

"the FORCE attacked the ship, threatening the stability of the planet ... the Heroes were ABLE to DRIVE the FORCE into another Portal ... and it Emerged Four Billion Years in the Past"
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/8164/p3jr9.th.jpg




On Panel verification


A Few members of the X-Men and Ultra Force (SIX in ALL) are sent to battle the ACTUAL PHOENIX FORCE (WITHOUT an AVATAR)
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3901/6rh9.th.jpg



"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH"
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9686/f12xp8.th.jpg
AND they're STILL holding their own



The Six heroes BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2667/f14nz2.th.jpg



The PHOENIX FORCE ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5469/f15eg2.th.jpg

Mr Master
Galactus intended on Separating the Phoenix Force from Rachel Summers,
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/7420/43665650sn8.th.jpg
and have it returned to the Cosmos, even if it meant her Rachel's life.





That was his INTENTION,

but Galactus ended up ERASING the Phoenix Force from existence because it was bonded to Rachel Summers completely:

When Galactus was going to erase the actual Phoenix Force (which was bonded to Rachel Summers) from existence, the Lights in the Universe were turning off.

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/1350/gma7.th.jpg
"my master's concluded that Phoenix's continued existence is a threat to his own survival that he can't except"





Rachel complies, and excepts her fate:

"it's only one LIFE he wants ... I give it to him"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/8148/g7ur2.th.jpg





continues in the next post ...

Mr Master
Right before Galactus was about to KILL the Phoenix Force,


ROMA appears and says,

"Certain EVENTS are of such SIGNIFICANCE, they must be Witnessed first hand, THIS is a MOMENT in the Scheme of Things which must stand or fall on it's own"
http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/3320/gr1pj3.th.jpg

Someone thought, this moment of SUCH significance
was simply about Galactus separating the Force from Rachel hysterical

INSTEAD of a True Cosmic EVENT of SIGNIFICANCE like the Phoenix Force getting Erased from existence!





Now, when Galactus begins to try and Separate the Force from Rachel,

the Force begins to DIE!!!



Galactus's INTENTION was to just separate the Phoenix Force from Rachel, but Roma told him he could NOT:

When Galactus began this process this happened:


"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6415/g8dh2.th.jpg


Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"


Is Roma saying Phoenix can't be killed? no

Is Roma mentioning the ETERNAL PATTERN? no

Is Roma in other words saying,

you can't separate the Phoenix from Rachel? yes


WHY?

Because "THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX"



Roma was referring to Phoenix being ERASED from existence, and it's CANON!


(an excerpt from Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5378/r1td3.th.jpg
Bibliography - Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II" SAME shit ... it's STILL the Phoenix Force as I PROVED.




continues in the next post ...

Mr Master
So the STARS were GOING OUT because the Phoenix Force in it's Natural State is the SUSTENANCE of the STARS:
http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5800/dphv3.th.jpg




DEATH speaks about Galactus BREAKING the "Eternal Pattern"



"violate at your own peril"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/5861/g9yi2.th.jpg
Galactus then says,

"my sustenance is living Planets, the Phoenix can Obliterate an entire Cosmos"


Then Death responds with,

"and FROM that DEATH (Obliterate an entire Cosmos) Bring about New Life (SPARK the Big Bang) but you're CHANGING that, BREAKING the ETERNAL PATTERN"




Galactus said, the "Phoenix CAN Obliterate AN entire Cosmos"


Death responds, "and FROM THAT Death" (Obliterate AN entire Cosmos)

"BRING about NEW LIFE" (SPARK the Big Bang)

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/12/35822504460.jpg
"Phoenix is both the SPARK that IGNITES CREATION (Big Bang)

and the Final Fire that consumes it" (Obliterate an entire Cosmos)






So the "Eternal Pattern" is obviously the Phoenix Force's ROLE in the Universe, to exist as the "SUSTENANCE of the STARS"
and cyclically SPARK the Big Bang which "Obliterates a Cosmos and brings about New Life"


ERASE the Phoenix Force, and you BREAK that Pattern.





continues in the next post ...

Mr Master
When the WATCHER & DEATH said this to Galactus,



"Is that your wish Galactus? ... to condemn the Cosmos to ultimate extinction, and yourself to an Eternity in an Infinite Void, can even you endure such desolation?"
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/7246/g10rk3.th.jpg
"unless that's what you really want? ... You've handed so many over to my care, why not lay down your burdens, and JOIN them?"





Galactus responds with,

"I am Supreme unto myself, I will NOT be bound Reaper, by Entity or Concept"

Watcher says,

"Yet Phoenix LIVES"
http://img457.imageshack.us/img457/5246/g11qd7.th.jpg
Galactus responds,

"FOR the PRESENT ... --- (What does this sound like to you?)

... the day is yours Starchilde, and with it, an awareness of your Role (the ETERNAL PATTERN) in the Scheme of Things"






The ETERNAL PATTERN, is Phoenix's ROLE in the Universe, Galactus was going to END that PATTERN by ERASING the Phoenix Force from existence,

just like the Official Marvel Handbook clearly states, Roma, "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II"



Phoenix II means the SECOND Phoenix, which is Rachel Summers.

Mr Master
Rachel is unique, (because she is Jean Grey's Daughter)


Betsy can see all her Alternate versions in the WHR

http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/981/r1qs3.th.jpg

Rachel only has 4 Aspects of Her PAST-Self, NO Alternates

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4905/r2oa8.th.jpg

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8016/r3zc5.th.jpg



Rachel doesn't have an Alternate version of herself anywhere in the Multi-verse:


"in ALL the Alternate Dimensions we visited, NO analogue for Rachel Summers ... never another Phoenix"
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4069/g2jo4.th.jpg





The Phoenix Force tells Rachel, "ALL I have become, You ARE Too"
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4920/f2bj2.th.jpg
"My Essence is Bonded to Your Spirit, the Burden of Power, will be YOURS"




The Phoenix Force itself told Rachel, " You are the ONE TRUE PHOENIX"
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6269/f5uk4.th.jpg





"Galactus the Stars, they are going out"
http://img452.imageshack.us/img452/6415/g8dh2.th.jpg
Then Roma says,

"THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX, Living Embodiment of ONE of the Primal Forces, you can no more divide her spirit from flesh than you can life from death, there is a natural order to her being (EXISTENCE) as to yours, and all creation"




Roma SAID,

you can't separate the Phoenix from Rachel?



WHY?

Because "THAT CHILD (Rachel Summers) IS PHOENIX"



Roma was referring to Phoenix being ERASED from existence, and it's CANON!


(an excerpt from Roma's OFFICIAL Marvel Universe Handbook Bio)
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/5378/r1td3.th.jpg
Bibliography - Excalibur #25 - "WARNED Galactus NOT to SLAY Phoenix II" SAME shit ... it's STILL the Phoenix Force as I PROVED.

Mr Master
There,


I just posted Two separate incidents where the Actual Phoenix Force,

was getting KILLED!!!



How many instances can you bring up where Wanda during HOM,

was in Phoenix's predicament?


confused

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
Now the Omniversal Guardian is speculating,

because of course what would he know.


Now when it's convenient, the Omniversal Guardian's Word is Law

Merlyn is giving his opinion on a future possibility therefore it isnt fact because it hasnt happened he hasnt experienced it it is just what he foresees given Jaspers power level now.

Romas word about the chaos wave was different because it was regarding a current event she saw unfolding right before her eyes and could analyze firsthand.

One is speculation, a reference to a future possibility, that never came to pass because Jaspers got stomped before he came anywhere near realizing that potential

The other is an experts account of a current event as it happens before their eyes.

Try again.






Originally posted by Mr Master
laughing

Laugh all you want. You havent provided a single piece of evidence that states Wanda warped the entire 616 universe, you've just presented pieces of evidence unrelated to that specific point (the scale of Wandas reality warp) and just thrown them together to try and paint your unsupported view.

I have presented an account from a reputable source and i have shown how every HOM intro for Uncanny X-men and Exiles refers to how Wanda changed just the world.

On top of that i posted scans from a HOM What If which also refers to the global scale of Wandas warp.

Unlucky. You have nothing.




Originally posted by Mr Master
Just like "Here Comes Tomorrow" NEVER happened.


Cobweb SAW the FUTURE, and in the Future Jaspers WARPED

the entire Omniverse.


Luckily he was stopped before this Future came to pass.


Had this story taken place in the Future, like Jean's "Here Comes Tomorrow"


We would have been able to see the Jaspers' Omniverse.

If that future would come to pass. All we have is the current and that future to go on. We do not know how that future would have come to pass, whether external factors were involved somehow. On top of that the crux of the matter is that it was JUST A POSSIBILITY. One that went UNREALIZED.

As such referring to that POSSIBILITY and using it to try and speak for current 616 Jaspers power level when he did nothing near that possibility is not acceptable.

Tough break.



Originally posted by Mr Master
eg.

Had Grant Morrison not quantum leaped 150 Years into this X-Men controlled secluded Future, (where there are NO Heroes except for X-Men laughing out loud )

there would be no Jean & Reality 15104 in her hands.

Wont bother responding to that point, you got handled on the issue in my Phoenix Respect thread:


http://www.killermovies.com/forums/437478_6-respect-the-phoenix-shifty




Originally posted by Mr Master
Does not change the Fact that Merlyn, her Father and Original Omniversal Guardian said,

if this Version of Jaspers is not stopped,

"the OMNI-VERSE will fall into Chaos, and a NEW GOD shall play dice with Matter"

Handled above.

He had the potential to be a threat on that scale, if he was allowed to continue his warping unhindered. He wasnt. He got stopped.

GalacticStorm
Your tainted interpretation of Excalibur 25 where Galactus tried to exorcise the Force from Rachel got handled in this previous thread as did your attaempts to paint Rachel as the same thing as the Phoenix Force so that you could then show scans of Rachel getting beaten and then claim the same to be true of the Force erm

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/313281_16-parallax-vs-dark-phoenix#post8199040

You received a spanking most severe, fallacies were highlighted and yet once again thinking the thread long buried you've decided to repost your defeated argument like the massacre never happened.

The sheer audacity eek! LOL

GalacticStorm
As for your scans pertaining to the Ultraforce crossover ive already handled this issue with you and you were once again spanked on it. Despite the fact that you could not provide a counter at that time and you abandoned the argument at that time you are now here reposting (who would have thought? shifty ) your defeated argument like it never happened.

Heres a reference to said event from my Phoenix Respect thread:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/437478_3-respect-the-phoenix-shifty

No need to waste my time on a long drawn out battle over the point. The battles been had and won. As such all i have to do now is provide a link to the relevant info. big grin

qqqqqqq
finally i witness the GS and MM battle. First hand!

GalacticStorm
As it stands, the Scarlet Witchs TOP feat is warping the reality of planet Earth. The point is stated by Roma the omniversal guardian:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/29018233635.jpg

"GLOBAL ALTERATION"

As stated by the writers/editors on the intro page of every House of M issue of Uncanny X-men:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4913453063.jpg

"Used her mutant power to alter reality, transforming THE WORLD into a mutant utopia"

As stated by the writers/editors on the intro page of every House of M Exiles issue:

Exiles 70

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914182984.jpg

"The gathered heroes travel to Genosha to confront Wanda, then THE WORLD burned white"

"They find that Beaks native reality EARTH 616 has been transformed."

Same thing again in Exiles 72:

http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/2/4914224436.jpg

Difference is it also accounts for the "NO MORE MUTANTS" change that Wanda performed the event Mr Master presents as Wanda remaking the entire reality again and again:

Originally posted by Mr Master




"She's starting to REMAKE Reality 616 ... again"
http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/4126/wanad2jy7.th.jpg



"You might not even exist anymore in whatever New Reality takes its place"
http://img326.imageshack.us/img326/5289/wanda3pi5.th.jpg



"Who knows how she'll change Everything this time"
http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/355/wanda4iu5.th.jpg





The actual comic refers to this as a fate that just befell "Earth 616". Others would have you believe otherwise.

If someones argument would have you ignore and discount what is actually stated on panel in favour of their opinion on how things should be, then trust me thats not an argument you'd be wise to pay the slightest attention to. erm

That will be all. smile

Phoenix for the win wink

Mr Master
firefirefireph


And round and round he goes ...

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefireph


And round and round he goes ...


You've been dispatched.

Get over it. wink

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
You've been dispatched.

Get over it.

greennuts


Only in your mind my boy ...

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
greennuts


Only in your mind my boy ...

Nope. Its visible on this thread and many others my deluded online chum. smile

You seem to have alot of time for the forums these days. You ready for that challenge thread now by any chance? confused

Lack of time was the only reason you gave for not wanting to face me. smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Nope. Its visible on this thread and many others my deluded online chum.
You seem to have alot of time for the forums these days. You ready for that challenge thread now by any chance? confused
Lack of time was the only reason you gave for not wanting to face me.


bluenuts

Mr Master
The CHAOS WAVE



Meggan sees the Chaos Wave in a dream right before it arrives.
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9890/w1eb1.th.jpg
"it is the End ... of ALL that is ... of ALL that will Ever be"




The initial Chaos Wave hits ... Otherworld
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9553/w2hq1.th.jpg




"Time & Space, our perception of Reality is governed by what we call Natural Laws"
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/9264/w3xg8.th.jpg




"The Foundation and Structure of our existence, totally stripped away"
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9012/w4dv5.th.jpg
"No more coherence to Causality, Chaos Beyond the comprehension of any Sentience, No matter how Grandiose it's opinion of itself"




"And this is just the beginning"
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/9742/w5qi5.th.jpg
(even some Galactus is getting tossed)




The Chaos Wave crashes Roma's Starlight Citadel
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5426/w6su3.th.jpg




The Hall alone "would fit entire Planets, with room to spare"
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1010/w7tc0.th.jpg
"when the Citadel falls, ALL the Dimensions there are suddenly crash into One"


AND LOOK who's back, Mad Jim Jaspers 616!!!

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5383/w8xw6.th.jpg
The Chaos Wave is responsible for all of this, (but where does it come from?)


The Chaos Wave brought back Jaspers 616 from another Plane of Reality

Mr Master
THIS SAME Chaos Wave is referred to as "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp" in the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe v5 2006.


In THREE separate Bios


1. "During the Scarlet Witch's 'House of M' Reality Warp, Jaspers Reformed alive merged with the Fury"
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1703/w9kr2.th.jpg
(excerpt from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe)



2. "Mad Jim Jaspers has also returned, brought back to life by the Scarlet Witch's recent Reality Warp"
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/8717/w10rk2.th.jpg

And as I presented above, it was the Chaos Wave that manifested Jaspers 616 from another Plane. (he was dead)



3. Wanda gave Layla the power to "Perceive Divergent Realities"
http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/5967/w10ej7.th.jpg

"Layla showed Cage glimpses of his life prior to the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

Mr Master
"We are witnessing a Trans-Temporal Tsunami, ORIGINATING from Earth 616

apparently there has been a Alteration of global proportions that has Breached the Walls of Causality"

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/7540/sc7qm2.th.jpg

there's a "Breach in the Walls of Causality"...

that was caused by a "global Alteration" ...

and there's a "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" going through the "Breach" into other Realities ...



The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is the Chaos Wave,



Now what's Causing that?


Roma has no idea what's CAUSING that, as she continues to say,

"the Localized Effects are so Severe, I am UNABLE to Ascertain the Cause"
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/979/62157068rw3.th.jpg

Hence the OHOTMU 2006, telling us it was the "Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"



The "Trans-Temporal Tsunami" is coming from the 616 Reality,

guess what's happening in the 616 Reality?


"Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp"

GalacticStorm
That says it all erm

Earn that joke status "Mr" "Master" laughing out loud jester

Mr Master
More conclusive PROOF that the Chaos Wave was Wanda's Power,

and Proof that Wanda Warped the 616 Universe





(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld when,

Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...


Saturnyne showed little hesitation in suggesting destroying 616 to Prevent the Warp SPREADING"






Here is that scene On Panel,


Saturnyne talking about the Chaos Wave or as the Official Bio puts it,

the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/305/b6mj8.th.jpg
"Your Dimension is a Cancer, bringing Devastation to Branes ALL ALONG the SIDEREAL STRING ... Sparing Yours condemns the REST"




"If the breach is not sealed, the Chaos Wave will continue to expand, perhaps to the ASCENTION itself"
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9752/sc8bk1.th.jpg




Roma threatens to erase the 616 UNIVERSE in 48 hours, if Captain Britain and company can't seal the (Chaos Wave) breach
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/4218/sc9vq6.th.jpg

Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
That says it all

Earn that joke status "Mr" "Master"


As you earned this major bottom you just received.

GalacticStorm
I went up in Mr Masters own cosmic thread and schooled him on the chaos wave issue:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

(As such i will not expend unnecessary effort, please have a read if you care)

During that debate as you can see Mr Master begged me to PM him anymore details about the chaos wave because he didnt want everyone to see that what he was presenting as the facts was utter BULLshit

He eventually found he couldnt reply anymore and so resorted to continually reposting his argument until mine was buried.

After laying down that severe hurting on Mr Master, he PMed me and begged me not to post in his thread anymore:




BIG JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laughing

GalacticStorm
Once again, if you wish to see Mr Master schooled on the chaos wave issue in his own thread of supposed facts ( laughing out loud laughing laughing out loud ) then heres the link:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

ENJOY!! eek!

GalacticStorm
hang

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
(As such i will not expend unnecessary effort, please have a read if you care)

During that debate as you can see Mr Master begged me to PM him anymore details about the chaos wave because he didnt want everyone to see that what he was presenting as the facts was utter BULLshit

He eventually found he couldnt reply anymore and so resorted to continually reposting his argument until mine was buried.

After laying down that severe hurting on Mr Master, he PMed me and begged me not to post in his thread anymore:

BIG JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, you're are by far the biggest p*ssy and b*tch I have ever known,

laughing


No where in that PM do I beg you for anythng you f*kn LIAR!!!


You've ALWAYS been a LIAR!!!



This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums by Galactic Storm


Read his post so you can see his deliberate intention:
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I forgot to mention how Xmen Forever clearly depicts how one wielding the phoenix power becomes supreme over creation. With enough power to humble LT even:

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3277/1qd1.th.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/29/2zj0.th.jpg

He even threw in an extra close up (to assure us LT was there)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7308/3ur4.th.jpg

He CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.



Here is,


The REAL Scan, with OUT the deliberate FABRICATION

perpetrated by Galactic Storm!

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7654/2um6.th.jpg

GalacticStorm
Anyone wanna see fallacy, deceit and absolute despicable lengths taken to win a debate? confused

Take a look at this this thread where once again Mr Master got absolutely curbstomped:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/313281_16-parallax-vs-dark-phoenix#post8199040

Heres a quote of myself from that thread where i sum up the despicable behaviour of this self proclaimed master laughing out loud laughing

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Quite correct youre through. Your selective scans from Excalibur 64 DONT show what youre trying to say they are therefore your ridiculous argument that Rachel is the sum total of the Phoenix Force FLOPS.

I posted the full scan and it doesnt mean what youre trying to say. I already handled the issue previously. No need to waste any more effort on the issue.

In this very thread you edited a Phoenix scan and tried to make it look different from the one i posted so that you could say i never posted it and therefore accuse me of being biased.

You hypocritically posted bio entrys to support your argument after months of berating me for doing the same thing, only to shoot yourself in the foot because the bio only supported what i said laughing out loud

You posted the bio and then tried to lie about what it said saying it just said "Phoenix", hoping foolishly that posters wouldnt see the "II" on the following line.

You posted a selective quote from an old thread and tried to make out i was saying something i wasnt. When i berated you for posting it out of context and lying about me and told you to post a link to the thread it came from so everyone could see the truth YOU DIDNT RESPOND.

BIG FRAUD. embarrasment

MASSIVE HYPOCRITE thumb down

WASTE OF MINE AND EVERYONES EFFING TIME laughing out loud



jester

Mr Master
Originally posted by Mr Master
Wow, you're are by far the biggest p*ssy and b*tch I have ever known,

laughing


No where in that PM do I beg you for anythng you f*kn LIAR!!!


You've ALWAYS been a LIAR!!!



This is definitely the biggest BETRAYAL of trust ever committed on KMC forums by Galactic Storm


Read his post so you can see his deliberate intention:


http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/3277/1qd1.th.jpg

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/29/2zj0.th.jpg

He even threw in an extra close up (to assure us LT was there)

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/7308/3ur4.th.jpg

He CUT OUT the STRANGER from the Scan to make it appear as though they are bowing to JEAN.



Here is,


The REAL Scan, with OUT the deliberate FABRICATION

perpetrated by Galactic Storm!

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7654/2um6.th.jpg



CAUGHT like the LIAR you are

GalacticStorm
Multiple scams and in a single thread. Multiple instances which illustrate the hypocriscy, fallacy and unparalleled audacity of this SELF TITLED master. jester

GalacticStorm
You cling on to that one incident which the above thread proves wasnt a scam in the first place smile

Another thing that old thread shows is your hypocriscy by containing multiple deceits performed by yourself in a desperate attempt to achieve what you could never do by playing it straight. shifty

A win in a debate!!!!!!!!!! laughing out loud laughing laughing out loud

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Multiple scams and in a single thread. Multiple instances which illustrate the hypocriscy, fallacy and unparalleled audacity of this SELF TITLED master.

You're Old news b*tch ...


Everyone see's through you,


And when they read my PM that you posted claiming I was "begging you" laughing

they will see how much of a true man I am,

while you're just a childish B*tch,

that just got OWNED HARD, and decided to post Off-Topic info in a vain attempt at distracting the way I shredded your argument against Wanda completely.


Do what you do my child, proclaim your victory dance around the fire in your head.

You're pointless, you're not even a debater anymore, just some guy that disagrees with everything, (no matter the proof) and demeans every other character in order to fantastically jam Phoenix into the Real Hierarchy,

which she will NEVER belong to.


The Phoenix Force is an Abstract level entity BELOW Eternity 616.

The Scarlet Witch Remade the 616 Universe like a child with lego blocks.


Nuff said.

Galan007
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
I went up in Mr Masters own cosmic thread and schooled him on the chaos wave issue:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

(As such i will not expend unnecessary effort, please have a read if you care)

During that debate as you can see Mr Master begged me to PM him anymore details about the chaos wave because he didnt want everyone to see that what he was presenting as the facts was utter BULLshit

He eventually found he couldnt reply anymore and so resorted to continually reposting his argument until mine was buried.

After laying down that severe hurting on Mr Master, he PMed me and begged me not to post in his thread anymore:




BIG JOKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! laughing Actually GS, that PM shows Mr M trying to squash things with you civilly, rather then spamming up his own thread.

At no time did I see him "begging you to stop schooling him".

GalacticStorm
A childish rant from a child out of options.

No big heated response required.

Best way to deal with children is to rise above their behaviour and show youre in control. smile

Anyone who reads this thread, or any of the threads ive sent links to will see your fallacy and deceit highlighted. They will see that when you can no longer counter a point you resort to insults against me, you divert to off topic issues like continually posting scans of Phoenix getting pawned(out of context i might add shifty ) or you just continually post your argument ive countered already (sometimes even in the very same thread) in an attempt to hide your defeat.

Whatever Mr M. Im still here, im still debating and im not going anywhere. smile

Victory makes a man tired. wink

Im off for now to go bask in it. eek!

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Galan007
Actually GS, that PM shows Mr M trying to squash things with you civilly, rather then spamming up his own thread.

At no time did I see him "begging you to stop schooling him".

Something i agreed to do. Mr Master ten minutes later posted in my Phoenix thread. erm

Mr Master later decided to ignore that PM and started insulting and debating aggressively when i continued to argue against him in threads. erm

If only you knew Galan.

Stop picking sides, just debate and enjoy it. Me arguing against you shouldnt make you insult me or seek to gang up on me. Its comic books. erm

Galan007
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
If only you knew Galan.

Stop picking sides, just debate and enjoy it. Me arguing against you shouldnt make you insult me or seek to gang up on me. Its comic books. erm I don't pick sides friend.

I simply commented on the PM, which you personally posted. doped

Mr Master
Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Something i agreed to do. Mr Master ten minutes later posted in my Phoenix thread.
Mr Master later decided to ignore that PM and started insulting and debating aggressively when i continued to argue against him in threads.

If only you knew Galan.

Still corroding your soul with LIES ey,

you just can't get enough of yourself can you.


"if you only knew?"

hysterical2


THEY ALL KNOW!!!


Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Stop picking sides, just debate and enjoy it. Me arguing against you shouldnt make you insult me or seek to gang up on me. Its comic books.

Now it's just comics, a few posts ago it's being a total Ahole time by posting shit that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Comics.


You're just full of shit in every sense of the word.

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
Still corroding your soul with LIES ey,

you just can't get enough of yourself can you.


"if you only knew?"

hysterical2


THEY ALL KNOW!!!




Now it's just comics, a few posts ago it's being a total Ahole time by posting shit that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Comics.


You're just full of shit in every sense of the word.

What does this alleged scam of mine have to do with us debating Phoenix and Wanda? confused

And how can you have the audacity to post that when theres a thread around where your fallacy and deceit are multiple? erm

You cant out debate me so you repost to hide my posts. When that doesnt work, you insult and discredit bringing up that alleged scam. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Ive illustrated your hypocriscy my friend. Be at peace. Youre clearly very troubled. sad

Mr Master
For the RECORD



Wanda Warped the 616 Universe, On Panel in the Official Bio.



Here's the FULL Story:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/442123_4-dark-phoenix-vs-hom-wanda



Proof


"She's starting to Remake Reality 616 again"
http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/7489/25824670nb5.th.jpg




Bio Verification


(from the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe 2006 Saturnyne bio)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/748/w1ka9.th.jpg
"She (Saturnyne) was later present on Otherworld when,

Dimension-616 was Engulfed in the Scarlet Witch's Reality Warp ...



swank

GalacticStorm
For the record, read this debate, to see all this evidence Mr Master is presenting about the Chaos Wave get torn apart:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_36-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore

Fact is separated from delusion. Enjoy the read. smile

Cosmic Flame

Mr Master

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by Mr Master
Wanda can be anywhere she wishes in an instant.

Wanda controls all aspects of Reality on a Universal Scale.

Wanda is invulnerable and/or immortal.

Wanda is a human being with human reactions and durability, until she consciously applies her power on herself, or unless she is already in one of her reality warps where she has previously determined that she cant be harmed in that warp. Either way it takes an application of power (directed from a mind with human reactions) or a preceding (before the encounter) action.

Wanda loses.

juggernaut66666
galan_wpotcVSgalan_scarlet_witch
xgrinw00t

GalacticStorm
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
galan_wpotcVSgalan_scarlet_witch
xgrinw00t

I like that. Thank you. smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by juggernaut66666
galan_wpotcVSgalan_scarlet_witch
xgrinw00t

Using Wanda is overkill.


The thread starter should have just used these 6 nobodies,

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/3901/6rh9.th.jpg


My bad,

these 6 nobodies OWNED the Phoenix Force itself:




"The assembled Heroes are TIRED & BATTERED, the PHOENIX is REBORN and FRESH"
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9686/f12xp8.th.jpg
AND they're STILL holding their own





The Six heroes BEAT (PHYSICALLY) the PHOENIX FORCE into and through the Portal
http://img431.imageshack.us/img431/2667/f14nz2.th.jpg




The PHOENIX FORCE ends up DISPLACED by FOUR Billion Years
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/5469/f15eg2.th.jpg



Guess that's Overkill aswell. laughing

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