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who would win?

No offense, but...

BEEEEEEEN DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONE.

Iron Man would win using all of his abilities.

In a slugfest, Colossus decimates him.

But yea, Iron Man wins.

Tony has this fight in the bag along with Kitty and 2 dry martinis.

piotr

When this thread was made: Stark easily

Now: Colossus

Iron Man would definitely beat standard Colossus.

Originally posted by juggerman
When this thread was made: Stark easily

Now: Colossus

Originally posted by juggerman
When this thread was made: Stark easily

Now: Colossus

How? Tony has flight and sonics...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
How? Tony has flight and sonics...

And that means what to the Unstoppable Colossonaut?

Originally posted by juggerman
And that means what to the Unstoppable Colossonaut?

http://uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/juggernaut13.jpg

Not so long ago Bleeding Edge Stark was hurting Cain pretty bad with his own sonics... Cain was not fully powered, though.

How is Piotr going to reach him when he's airborne?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://uncannyxmen.net/images/spotlight/juggernaut13.jpg

Not so long ago Bleeding Edge Stark was hurting Cain pretty bad with his own sonics... Cain was not fully powered, though.

How is Piotr going to reach him when he's airborne?

Thunderclap knocks Stark out of the air and then he closes the distance and seals the deal.

Pitor is also a much better fighter than Cain so it would be very hard if not impossible for him to get that helmet off. Plus if he goes demon i doubt Ironman could do anything to him at all

Originally posted by juggerman
Thunderclap knocks Stark out of the air and then he closes the distance and seals the deal.

Stop doing drugs, dude.

Originally posted by juggerman
Pitor is also a much better fighter than Cain si it would be very hard if not impossible to get that helmet off. Plus if he goes demon i doubt Ironman could do anything to him at all



You must have missed his fight with Thing... in which Ben annihilated the helmet with one good hit.

Demon C needs more showings. Is his fight with Magik out yet?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stop doing drugs, dude.

You saying it can't happen? And don't forget Colossus can run at speeds around 300mph.

If Stark tries to play it safe and shoot from a distance I'm sure Colossus would dodge easily. The only real chance Ironman has is up close which puts him in range of the round of applause



The fight on the moon? I'll have to look again but i don't recall his helmet being removed. And he can reform it at will right?



Agreed but in that form he smashed Rulk like he was swatting a fly. Tony would not overcome that easily if at all

EDIT: Dunno about the Magik fight

Originally posted by juggerman
You saying it can't happen? And don't forget Colossus can run at speeds around 300mph.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

1) Colossus has never used a thunderclap.
2) Stark is a high class 100 with extraordinary reflexes and forcefields.
3) Good for Piotr, Stark can fly at much, much faster speeds. He has also superhuman agility and his previous armor had artifical spider-sense...

Originally posted by juggerman

If Stark tries to play it safe and shoot from a distance I'm sure Colossus would dodge easily. The only real chance Ironman has is up close which puts him in range of the round of applause

I have yet to see Colossusnaut dodging ANYTHING, and I really don't see him avoiding sonics...

Originally posted by juggerman

The fight on the moon? I'll have to look again but i don't recall his helmet being removed. And he can reform it at will right?

Yes. AvX versus. It dissipated after Grimm's uppercut.

Depends on the writer, some said it grows back automatically, given time.

Originally posted by juggerman

Agreed but in that form he smashed Rulk like he was swatting a fly. Tony would not overcome that easily if at all

EDIT: Dunno about the Magik fight

Tony abused Rulk pretty bad, too. Demon C is certainly more powerful than Stark though (or at least seems so), but he still can't fly and has no ranged options.

Just looked at the fight and Thing punched it several times with no effect at all for a while. Probably had a lot to do with the angle of the hit or PIS as to why he popped it later.

Stark wouldn't be able to angle a shot too well from far away on a moving target like that if that was indeed the case. He would probably need to get close and that would be very bad for him

Stark's targeting systems are very good.

It's highly unlikely Colossus could evade ranged spam from Iron Man.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

1) Colossus has never used a thunderclap.
2) Stark is a high class 100 with extraordinary reflexes and forcefields.
3) Good for Piotr, Stark can fly at much, much faster speeds. He has also superhuman agility and his previous armor had artifical spider-sense...

He used the Thunderclap against Spiderman



If Ironman was shooting him from a distance i doubt he would just stand there. And his helmet would have to be removed 1st for the sonics to work



Yeah i looked back and reposted



Thunderclap

Originally posted by juggerman
Thunderclap

Jupiter enhanced Iron-Magneto

Originally posted by juggerman
He used the Thunderclap against Spiderman

Completely forgot about that one, my bad. Okay, so it worked on a low meta... but there's no reason it should work on a class 100 character that has powerful forcefields at his disposal.

Originally posted by juggerman

If Ironman was shooting him from a distance i doubt he would just stand there. And his helmet would have to be removed 1st for the sonics to work


Would it? It's TP proof, not sonics proof. Marko's skullcap didn't have to be removed in order for it to work. It's made out of the same metal, if I'm not mistaken.

Thing's punches didnt even tickle Colossusnaut though...

Does Colossus have an inner ear for sonics to effect

Originally posted by SamZED
Thing's punches didnt even tickle Colossusnaut though...

Not the point, juggerman here argued that it'd be damn hard or even impossible to remove his helmet and by referencing the Thing fight I proved him wrong.

Tony wouldn't even have to go h2h to do that.

Does Tony have prep?

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Jupiter enhanced Iron-Magneto

exactly

Originally posted by juggerman

Stark wouldn't be able to angle a shot too well from far away on a moving target like that if that was indeed the case. He would probably need to get close and that would be very bad for him

how would you know? stark is smart enough to know how to angle a shot to remove the damn helmet

Originally posted by juggerman
You saying it can't happen? And don't forget Colossus can run at speeds around 300mph.

Actually it was 600 MPH iirc.

Colossus was doing rather well against War Machine under his own power recently and he's really close to Iron Man.

Nah. He's the inferior specimen to Antonio Stark.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Completely forgot about that one, my bad. Okay, so it worked on a low meta... but there's no reason it should work on a class 100 character that has powerful forcefields at his disposal.

He was also going easy on Spiderman.



Well it seemed like Nimrod needed to remove Juggs helmet to do that. He didn't even attempt it while the helmet was on.

But if its sonic proof....Juggy can't hear....

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Not the point, juggerman here argued that it'd be damn hard or even impossible to remove his helmet and by referencing the Thing fight I proved him wrong.

Not really. So Tony is flying above Colossus and then angles his blasts to come from an upward angle like Thing's uppercut? All while Pitor is probaby not just standing still waiting to be hit? Unlikely at best



He would need to get close tho..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But if its sonic proof....Juggy can't hear....

Damn that's a good point....

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Actually it was 600 MPH iirc.

Thank you. 600 is even better

Originally posted by juggerman
Thank you. 600 is even better

Still nothing compared to IM's speed.

Originally posted by juggerman



Please. Extremis was better than that WM suit... and it's been upgraded to Bleeding Edge armor.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Still nothing compared to IM's speed.
Ironman is currently maxing out at mach6 in orbit right, or was it mach8

Either way he is vastly faster than the Russian

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Still nothing compared to IM's speed.

This isn't a race. i'm talking about your theory of Stark hanging back out of rance and spamming blasts at Colossus. If he's running at even half his top speed i seriously doubt Tony would be able to angle a shot that would remove his helmet. A shot from above that would have to somehow u-turn and hit the helmet in such a way to replicate a very powerful uppercut.



Still don't see how Tony is pulling off this magical helmet removing shot from far away in the air at an upward angle while Colossonaut is running around like a madman. Please help me out here

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Ironman is currently maxing out at mach6 in orbit right, or was it mach8

Either way he is vastly faster than the Russian

Not a race

Originally posted by juggerman
This isn't a race. i'm talking about your theory of Stark hanging back out of rance and spamming blasts at Colossus. If he's running at even half his top speed i seriously doubt Tony would be able to angle a shot that would remove his helmet. A shot from above that would have to somehow u-turn and hit the helmet in such a way to replicate a very powerful uppercut.



Still don't see how Tony is pulling off this magical helmet removing shot from far away in the air at an upward angle while Colossonaut is running around like a madman. Please help me out here

Stark can fire repulsor blasts, pulse bolts and uni-beam at the same time.

Sounds like that'd likely end with Colossus falling down and losing his helmet in the process

1. http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/juggsground1.jpg
2. http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/juggsground2.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Stark can fire repulsor blasts, pulse bolts and uni-beam at the same time.

Sounds like that'd likely end with Colossus falling down and losing his helmet in the process

1. http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/juggsground1.jpg
2. http://i593.photobucket.com/albums/tt19/Max_Eisenhardt/juggsground2.jpg

No fair!

Originally posted by juggerman
Thank you. 600 is even better






uhhh,, is it really 600 mph?, i thought it was 300. 300/600 mph isnt his flat speed, meaning he needs to accelerate to that speed in a matter of minutes


and he only RAN 300/600 MPH, he didnt fly, so what would that do to IM flying?

Originally posted by 8swords
uhhh,, is it really 600 mph?, i thought it was 300. 300/600 mph isnt his flat speed, meaning he needs to accelerate to that speed in a matter of minutes


and he only RAN 300/600 MPH, he didnt fly, so what would that do to IM flying?

I thught it was 300 too but someone came in and "corrected" me. And i highly doubt it would take him minutes but i agree he wouldn't start off at full speed. My argument is that Tony cannot do much to Colossus from far away and would need to come closer to remove the helmet for his sonics to work.

But if he does come closer Colossonaut can thunderclap like he did to Spidey creating an opening to take Ironman out.

If Stark just keeps his distance and never closes the distance it'll be an endless stalemate

Removing the helmet from far away is not an issue. Neither is the thunderclap, it wouldn't do shit to Tony.

In fact, pulse bolts grow more powerful further they travel.

How this thread has developed:

Originally posted by juggerman
He wins because of thunderclap

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Jupiter enhanced Iron-Magneto

"Oh noes, but he has juggernaughts powers now!"

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Tony has sonics...

"But he'd have to take off his helmet for that to work. For reasons."

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But if its sonic proof....Juggy can't hear....

Originally posted by juggerman
Damn that's a good point....

"But it's not over!"

Originally posted by juggerman
My argument is that Tony cannot do much to Colossus from far away and would need to come closer to remove the helmet for his sonics to work. But if he does come closer Colossonaut can thunderclap like he did to Spidey creating an opening to take Ironman out.

Didn't we just establish the helmet won't help against sonics? Or magnetism for that matter.

Oh, and:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
In fact, pulse bolts grow more powerful further they travel.

This is not a work of fiction. Names, characters, places, and incidents are the products of this thread and are not used fictitiously (mostly). Any resemblance to actual events, locales, or persons, living or dead, is entirely on purpose.

Tony wins.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Didn't we just establish the helmet won't help against sonics? Or magnetism for that matter.

No we didn't. Juggernaut's helmet was removed before the sonics were used. Maybe it insulated him in some way. Or maybe since he's a mystically powered being with mystical armor and mystical enchantments (which allow him to summon and remove his armor/helmet with a thought) then maybe, just maybe the helmet has mystical properties?

Maybe

^seems legit







Ly foolish to base your argument on a "maybe"

First of all Nimrod used a special frequency designed to attack the nervous system. Which with some of Cain's appearances shouldn't have worked.

Secondly even if if it did. Cain was up moments later so it's not a win because it didn't stop for long.

I would just like to point out that mystical enchantments don't meant shit to Tony, these days:
http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13348624_t1.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13348627_t2.jpg

Stark-tech trumps all.

Tony is one of my fave characters and he is highly underrated on the forum BUT, he isn't winning this fight.

Originally posted by carver9
Tony is one of my fave characters and he is highly underrated on the forum BUT, he isn't winning this fight.

Automatically ensuring that those on Tony's side are right

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Automatically ensuring that those on Tony's side are right

Dammit Carver!

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Automatically ensuring that those on Tony's side are right

Lol...whatever.

Originally posted by Newjak
First of all Nimrod used a special frequency designed to attack the nervous system. Which with some of Cain's appearances shouldn't have worked.

Secondly even if if it did. Cain was up moments later so it's not a win because it didn't stop for long.

So what you're saying is that Tony Stark would not have these sonics that Nimrod had? The ones that he used to subdue The Juggernaut? And even if he did it would really be a case of unusable PIS?

Interesting...

Originally posted by Galan007
I would just like to point out that mystical enchantments don't meant shit to Tony, these days:
http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13348624_t1.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t/13348627_t2.jpg

Stark-tech trumps all. You mean the attack that basically did nothing but piss him of Originally posted by Blair Wind
Automatically ensuring that those on Tony's side are right Dang it

Originally posted by juggerman
So what you're saying is that Tony Stark would not have these sonics that Nimrod had? The ones that he used to subdue The Juggernaut? And even if he did it would really be a case of unusable PIS?

Interesting... Depends on you how choose to look at it.

Cain has moved without a nervous system before. The more he is drawing on the power of Cyttorak the less human he is imo.

Also he was back up in moments so even if IM had them Cain would be back up and ready to fight in no time.

I would say Tony would run out of power before he managed to do any damage to well a written Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Newjak
You mean the attack that basically did nothing but piss him of Tony's attack did more than just piss off GG-- it actually hurt him pretty significantly. Here are the following few pages:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13349578_t3.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13349581_t4.jpg

Stark-tech>>>ALL.

Say what you will about Fraction, but the guy writes a superb Iron Man.

Most definitely.

Originally posted by Galan007
Tony's attack did more than just piss off GG-- it actually hurt him pretty significantly. Here are the following few pages:
http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13349578_t3.jpg http://s3d4.turboimagehost.com/t/13349581_t4.jpg

Stark-tech>>>ALL. And the Gargoyle was fine after that even regrew his head.

Plus it wasn't like the worthy were completely immune to harm.

And afterwards IM had to run away because he failed to beat the GG

I'm not saying Tony beat, or permanently injured, GG-- just saying that Stark-tech was sufficient to bypass GG's mystical enchantments, and cause him a good deal of harm.

Huge feat for Stark.

GG's enchantments=/=Juggernaut's enchantments

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not saying Tony beat, or permanently injured, GG-- just saying that Stark-tech was sufficient to bypass GG's mystical enchantments, and cause him a good deal of harm.

Huge feat for Stark. I guess that means Hawkeye's arrows are just as good as Stark tech since he injured Nul

It was a good feat for Tony though.

Originally posted by juggerman
GG's enchantments=/=Juggernaut's enchantments Matter of opinion.

I, for one, haven't been overly impressed with Colossus outside of that crabbed-out form he pulled out of his ass. Colossus=/=Cain.

Originally posted by Galan007
Matter of opinion.

Are you saying that GG's and Jugger's enchantments are the same?



Cain hasn't always been uber impressive either. He can work Hulk and Thor but got tooled by the X-Men. Often.

Saying Colossus=/=Cain is like saying Superman=/=Zod. Main difference is level of power and fighting style. They still have the same powers and weaknesses. Colossus was just granted more power like Superman had more power

Originally posted by juggerman
Are you saying that GG's and Jugger's enchantments are the same?

Saying Colossus=/=Cain is like saying Superman=/=Zod. Main difference is level of power and fighting style. They still have the same powers and weaknesses. Colossus was just granted more power like Superman had more power No. However, both powersets are magical/mystical in nature-- and Juggy's powerset does vary in accordance with his mindset. Always has. Like I mentioned, Colossus has yet to strike me as the invulnerable powerhouse Cain was. Again, my opinion.

Actually, it's like comparing Superman to a random/no-name/n00b Kryptonian from the 'New Krypton' arc. They both have the same powerset in theory, but Superman will always be superior thanks to his years of experience with his powers. Cain would be akin to Superman, Colossus would be akin to a n00b Kryptonian.

Originally posted by Galan007
No. However, both powersets are magical/mystical in nature-- and Juggy's powerset does vary in accordance with his mindset. Always has. Like I mentioned, Colossus has yet to strike me as the invulnerable powerhouse Cain was. Again, my opinion.

Actually, it's like comparing Superman to a random/no-name/n00b Kryptonian from the 'New Krypton' arc. They both have the same powerset in theory, but Superman will always be superior thanks to his years of experience with his powers. Cain would be akin to Superman, Colossus would be akin to a n00b Kryptonian.

Ok some random Kryptonian. But Colossus seems to be able to access more power than Cain. And given Cyttorak's statement it seems like Colossus was granted a larger amount of power

Originally posted by Galan007
No. However, both powersets are magical/mystical in nature-- and Juggy's powerset does vary in accordance with his mindset. Always has. Like I mentioned, Colossus has yet to strike me as the invulnerable powerhouse Cain was. Again, my opinion.

Actually, it's like comparing Superman to a random/no-name/n00b Kryptonian from the 'New Krypton' arc. They both have the same powerset in theory, but Superman will always be superior thanks to his years of experience with his powers. Cain would be akin to Superman, Colossus would be akin to a n00b Kryptonian. This I perfectly agree with.

Originally posted by juggerman
Ok some random Kryptonian. But Colossus seems to be able to access more power than Cain. And given Cyttorak's statement it seems like Colossus was granted a larger amount of power Possibly. I'm just saying that as of now, Colossus hasn't been very impressive at all.

Originally posted by Galan007
Possibly. I'm just saying that as of now, Colossus hasn't been very impressive at all. he has like no wins to his credit

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he has like no wins to his credit Correction he did beat Spider-Man and Thing!!

Originally posted by Newjak
Correction he did beat Spider-Man and Thing!! He was beating the crap out of Kuurth and Red Hulk also. Kuurth may have been depowered thought but we don't know how much.

Originally posted by 8swords
uhhh,, is it really 600 mph?, i thought it was 300. 300/600 mph isnt his flat speed, meaning he needs to accelerate to that speed in a matter of minutes


and he only RAN 300/600 MPH, he didnt fly, so what would that do to IM flying? It's 600. And there was no indicating he was maxed out either.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
He was beating the crap out of Kuurth and Red Hulk also. Kuurth may have been depowered thought but we don't know how much.

Red Hulk on average is as strong as Thor and his punches did "nothing" to Colossus. Now let's compare. Kuurth was depowered but he was strong enough to punch Colossus with enough force to crack his bones. Kuurth was still above elite Heralds in strength.

Originally posted by carver9
Red Hulk on average is as strong as Thor and his punches did "nothing" to Colossus. Now let's compare. Kuurth was depowered but he was strong enough to punch Colossus with enough force to crack his bones. Kuurth was still above elite Heralds in strength. Good points, never thought of any of those.

why are you people still posting?

didn't carver just made it clear who wins and who loses?

Originally posted by Newjak
Correction he did beat Spider-Man and Thing!! With Spider-man it was a tie!

Fine, quick and dirty solution - Tony Stark BFRs Colossus lol. Using bluewater's tactic of teleport tech...

Rulk easily caught colossonaut's punch and tossed him away.

Since this thread began in 2007, I would have likely said that Iron Man would light Peter's a$$ up like a Christmas tree. Currently though I'm leaning towards Peter being able to tank nearly anything that Tony can hit him with. The Juggernaut has been nerfed, and even in his most powerful form to date, he pales in comparison to Cain's glory days.

But Cain, whilst being more powerful, was affected by sonics and magnetism.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Cain, whilst being more powerful, was affected by sonics and magnetism.

Low showing? Plus i think the point to that story was to show that Nimrod was not only a bigger threat to the X-Men, but that it could take down any living creature eventually. In other words it was PIS, since Cain has likely resisted sonics of greater levels by simply being hit by guys like Thor and the Hulk. TP is another story. Imagine if Legion ever got his hands on that Gem? Magnetism? Now that had to be a horribly written story.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But Cain, whilst being more powerful, was affected by sonics and magnetism. As much as it pains me to say by Cyttorak flat out stated Colossus was more powerful than Cain was.

I think Colossus has the potential to be more powerful than Cain but decides to hold it back. Like WWH willingly capping his anger/strength so he wouldn't kill everyone.