Nighthrasher vs Nightwing

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LordFear
Can these two stalemate each other or does on has the upperhand on the other?
Both are packing their normal hardware.

Space M ummy
Nightwing is leagues ahead of night thrasher in terms of skill and experience. it's not even a contest.

the only thing that remotely evens this out is that thrash's armor is pretty durable vs. standard kicks and punches, and he's been known to carry an Uzi and will shoot to kill if he has to.

still, Nightwing 9/10

LordFear
mY MONEY is on Nighthrasher

LordFear
Originally posted by Space M ummy
Nightwing is leagues ahead of night thrasher in terms of skill and experience. it's not even a contest.

the only thing that remotely evens this out is that thrash's armor is pretty durable vs. standard kicks and punches, and he's been known to carry an Uzi and will shoot to kill if he has to.

still, Nightwing 9/10

Nope completely disagree. Night has held his own against Sabertooth. He is no scrub

Space M ummy
Originally posted by LordFear
Nope completely disagree. Night has held his own against Sabertooth. He is no scrub

??? When was this?

Sabertooth has had high and low showings, but he should be WAY too much for NT to handle.

LordFear
Originally posted by Space M ummy
??? When was this?

Sabertooth has had high and low showings, but he should be WAY too much for NT to handle.


This was among his debut start. He didn't beat him but handled himself well. The point is that I don't believe it being such a mismatch. Night also heads up his own team. I don't see him getting his ass handed to him that easily

LORDSIDIOUS01
Night Thrasher is waaaaay out of his league. Remember Dick was trained by the best. Along the way also Dick's skills have vastly improved.

LordFear
Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Night Thrasher is waaaaay out of his league. Remember Dick was trained by the best. Along the way also Dick's skills have vastly improved.

I really believe that Night Thrasher is better than you guys are giving him credit for

nvrbeenwthagirl
laughing Originally posted by LordFear
I really believe that Night Thrasher is better than you guys are giving him credit for

confused laughing

LordFear
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
laughing

confused laughing


Glad you got a tickle out of that. Dunno where exactly the comedy came into play according to what I said but hey whatever works for ya. I still say Night thrasher all the way

LORDSIDIOUS01
Originally posted by LordFear
I really believe that Night Thrasher is better than you guys are giving him credit for

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Never really liked Night Thrasher. He might have some skills but still not in Dick Grayson's league.

Alfheim
Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01


Never really liked Night Thrasher. He might have some skills but still not in Dick Grayson's league.

I dont know about that. In one New warriors issue he took out a group of superhuman on his own. One of the guys strength was from 70-90 tons. Thrasher dodged his blows and chucked gas in his face. Another superhuman could fly and was firing energy blast at him, Night Thrasher dodged the blasts and knocked her out in mid air by aiming one of his sticks at her head.

I cant remember the rest, it was a long time ago, but it was a pretty good showing.

Hercules
Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont know about that. In one New warriors issue he took out a group of superhuman on his own. One of the guys strength was from 70-90 tons. Thrasher dodged his blows and chucked gas in his face. Another superhuman could fly and was firing energy blast at him, Night Thrasher dodged the blasts and knocked her out in mid air by aiming one of his sticks at her head.

I cant remember the rest, it was a long time ago, but it was a pretty good showing.

New Warriors #23 I think that was (may have been 22, it was the during the "Nothing but the truth" storyline, where Tai turns out to be evil)

Team was the folding circle, consisting of:

The Big Guy was Bloodstrike, big bruiser, went toe to toe with Rage I would say he was a class 80.

The flying woman was Silk Fever, pryokinetic powers

Then there was Left hand, could use the Dark Force in offensive blasts

Smiling Tiger, Wolverine rip off, enhanced, speed, agility and claws.

The there was Midnights Fire, enhanced speed, awesome martial artist, able to punch through Thrashers armour with his fists.

Thrash held them all until Midnight, blind sided him, Thrasher is way underrated, when he fought the Punisher he managed to stab in through the thigh and Frank said how good he was.

In fact the only thing that saved Frank was he shot him with a submachine gun at point blank range breaking his ribs through his armour.

Thrasher has taken Gideon (who he owned in hand to hand during four control) Gideon you may remember handled Crule pretty easily in X force and also trained Sunspot.

As he had no super human powers to copy it came down to skill, Thrash was better.

With the Warriors, he has taken on Terrax, Juggernaut, Sphinx, in the Spiderman/new Warriors annual, he fought Boomerang and Blacklash at the same time and held his own.

He went one on one with an assassin called Bengal who was an expert Martial artist at one point he was involved in a three way fight with Punisher and Bengal.

He taken Aardwolf one on one, who was another feral, enhanced speed and strength, with claws and teeth type guy.

Hes gone up against the FF along with the Warriors, was quick enough to grab and flip Nova when he came at him full throttle.

He took on Midnights Fire one on one and beat him, there are lots more examples of him showing his skill but thats all I can think of, off the top of my head.

There is nothing to suggest he is far below Nightwing, skills wise and his armour and the gadgets it has, gives him an advantage.

I will see if I can find some scans on the net, as I have no scanner but this should be a close fight, Thrasher is similar to Batman, in that he lost his parents when he was very young and has been training all his life to fight crime.

He is also backed by a vast personal fortune, is a tactician and pretty intelligent (although not on Bruce's level) and likes to use gadgets and isn't afraid to fight dirty.

I could see this being very, very close.

masterbruce
Hercules, just wanted to say that you're a really good poster

You are very knowledgeable, fair, and unbiased...pretty rare combination on KMC, myself excluded

so kudos!

Hercules
Originally posted by masterbruce
Hercules, just wanted to say that you're a really good poster

You are very knowledgeable, fair, and unbiased...pretty rare combination on KMC, myself excluded

so kudos!

Thanks! big grin

Alfheim
Yeah I was gonna mention Gideon, but I didnt have the issue were they fought. I looked on gideons bio and i didnt see anything about martial arts skills. Apparently gideon can copy talents so I thought that he would have copied thrashers talents.

I was gonna mention Punisher....but he doesnt get enough props.

P.S. Id second that you are a good poster.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Hercules
New Warriors #23 I think that was (may have been 22, it was the during the "Nothing but the truth" storyline, where Tai turns out to be evil)

Team was the folding circle, consisting of:

The Big Guy was Bloodstrike, big bruiser, went toe to toe with Rage I would say he was a class 80.

The flying woman was Silk Fever, pryokinetic powers

Then there was Left hand, could use the Dark Force in offensive blasts

Smiling Tiger, Wolverine rip off, enhanced, speed, agility and claws.

The there was Midnights Fire, enhanced speed, awesome martial artist, able to punch through Thrashers armour with his fists.

Thrash held them all until Midnight, blind sided him, Thrasher is way underrated, when he fought the Punisher he managed to stab in through the thigh and Frank said how good he was.

In fact the only thing that saved Frank was he shot him with a submachine gun at point blank range breaking his ribs through his armour.

Thrasher has taken Gideon (who he owned in hand to hand during four control) Gideon you may remember handled Crule pretty easily in X force and also trained Sunspot.

As he had no super human powers to copy it came down to skill, Thrash was better.

With the Warriors, he has taken on Terrax, Juggernaut, Sphinx, in the Spiderman/new Warriors annual, he fought Boomerang and Blacklash at the same time and held his own.

He went one on one with an assassin called Bengal who was an expert Martial artist at one point he was involved in a three way fight with Punisher and Bengal.

He taken Aardwolf one on one, who was another feral, enhanced speed and strength, with claws and teeth type guy.

Hes gone up against the FF along with the Warriors, was quick enough to grab and flip Nova when he came at him full throttle.

He took on Midnights Fire one on one and beat him, there are lots more examples of him showing his skill but thats all I can think of, off the top of my head.

There is nothing to suggest he is far below Nightwing, skills wise and his armour and the gadgets it has, gives him an advantage.

I will see if I can find some scans on the net, as I have no scanner but this should be a close fight, Thrasher is similar to Batman, in that he lost his parents when he was very young and has been training all his life to fight crime.

He is also backed by a vast personal fortune, is a tactician and pretty intelligent (although not on Bruce's level) and likes to use gadgets and isn't afraid to fight dirty.

I could see this being very, very close.

Wow.

Organized. Non confrontational. No mass use of emoticons. Clear knowledge of the character.

Very well done.

I'm afraid I don't know enough about either to give a good opinion but right now I'm seeing an edge to NightThrasher.

Alfheim
I guess Thrasher would win because his suit gives him more durability and strength. The reason why he built the suit was to fight Midnights Fire who has peak human stats.

I wished they hadnt killed Night Thrasher....I liked him. sad

Hercules
Originally posted by Alfheim
I guess Thrasher would win because his suit gives him more durability and strength. The reason why he built the suit was to fight Midnights Fire who has peak human stats.

I wished they hadnt killed Night Thrasher....I liked him. sad

I liked him too, they could have taken his character so much further in his solo series, it just came at the wrong time, mid 90's when Marvel was bankrupting itself.

Thrashers armour definetly gives him an edge, I would say Thrasher was slightly below Nightwing, skills wise but only slightly but the armour has that many toys in it.

Here is a rundown of what hes packing.

Pepper Spray: Fires from right wrist.
3 Plastic Packs:
3 Napalm Gel Packs:
3 Cordite Packs:
Magnesium Flare:
Smoke Pellets:
Spur Jacks:
Incendiary Caps:
Ball Bearings:
Spring Blade:
Adamantium Garrote: From his left wrist.
Helmet: contains the following
Voice Scrambler:
Telescopic Vision:
Rebreather: 5 minutes of air.
Infra-Vision: .
Camera/ Filmpack:
Enhanced Hearing:
Backpack: Has the following features:
Escrima: Has 2 detachable Escrima sticks
Pistol: Hidden Uzi.
Skateboard: Locked on the Backpack assembly or on the right fore arm. can be used as a shield. It has a spring loaded blade hidden in the front.

Oh and thanks for the compliments!

Edit: Oh your right about Gideon not being a big martial artist, I have seen him listed as a boxer and he taught Sunspot how to use his powers offensively and wasn't a bad hand to hand fighter, plus he was stronger than Thrasher.

It stands out for me because it was the first time I saw Gideon get a beat down, previously he had wrecked the New Warriors using their own powers against them, KO'd Sunspot and handled Crule who was the big bad warrior external.

Alfheim
Originally posted by Hercules
I liked him too, they could have taken his character so much further in his solo series, it just came at the wrong time, mid 90's when Marvel was bankrupting itself.

Thrashers armour definetly gives him an edge, I would say Thrasher was slightly below Nightwing, skills wise but only slightly but the armour has that many toys in it.

Here is a rundown of what hes packing.

Pepper Spray: Fires from right wrist.
3 Plastic Packs:
3 Napalm Gel Packs:
3 Cordite Packs:
Magnesium Flare:
Smoke Pellets:
Spur Jacks:
Incendiary Caps:
Ball Bearings:
Spring Blade:
Adamantium Garrote: From his left wrist.
Helmet: contains the following
Voice Scrambler:
Telescopic Vision:
Rebreather: 5 minutes of air.
Infra-Vision: .
Camera/ Filmpack:
Enhanced Hearing:
Backpack: Has the following features:
Escrima: Has 2 detachable Escrima sticks
Pistol: Hidden Uzi.
Skateboard: Locked on the Backpack assembly or on the right fore arm. can be used as a shield. It has a spring loaded blade hidden in the front.

Oh and thanks for the compliments!

Oh yeah I forgot about that. NT is packing extra gear, NW loses.

starlock
Nightwing for the win 7/10,not only was he trained by the best he was trained at an early age. Dick was dodging bullets and doing crazy stuff for a long time before he became an adult. to me there is nothing as important as being trained young.i would put dick even with bats maybe even better(i think batman's inner dialog says this)

the only reason i give thasher 3 wins is his armor and his enhanced memory(cant remember where its from but i believe thrashers brain is enhanced)

Alfheim
Originally posted by starlock
Nightwing for the win 7/10,not only was he trained by the best he was trained at an early age. Dick was dodging bullets and doing crazy stuff for a long time before he became an adult. to me there is nothing as important as being trained young.i would put dick even with bats maybe even better(i think batman's inner dialog says this)

the only reason i give thasher 3 wins is his armor and his enhanced memory(cant remember where its from but i believe thrashers brain is enhanced)


Hercules....can you see why I got pissed in the Punisher vs Shang Chi thread. Is it me but if he had read your post would he still have posted the above statement.

Hercules
Originally posted by starlock
Nightwing for the win 7/10,not only was he trained by the best he was trained at an early age. Dick was dodging bullets and doing crazy stuff for a long time before he became an adult. to me there is nothing as important as being trained young.i would put dick even with bats maybe even better(i think batman's inner dialog says this)

the only reason i give thasher 3 wins is his armor and his enhanced memory(cant remember where its from but i believe thrashers brain is enhanced)

Tai enhanced his Brain, he can't be read telepathicaly, not even by telepath's as high as the White Queen.

Thrasher was also trained from a child, by Chord and Tai, Tai who was a master martial artist with enhanced speed and strength (she hit Beef of the helions and cut him and he didn't even see her move) she turned out to be a very powerful Superhuman who fought the Folding Circle and the New Warriors at the same time.

Tai in fact was the reason Thrasher came into being, she forced Chord into killing his parents so they could forge him into a weapon and he would gather a team of super humans together to so she could use their energies to make herself immortal.

Chord was a vietnam vet and the father of Sil and Midnights fire, good tactian and fire arms specialist.

Nightwing is more skillful but not by as far as some people think, 7/10 is underestimating Thrasher.

EDIT: oh and Thrasher was dodgng bullets and fighting crime as a teenager too, the New Warriors was a team full of Teen's in fact.

Hercules
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hercules....can you see why I got pissed in the Punisher vs Shang Chi thread. Is it me but if he had read your post would he still have posted the above statement.

Yeah I can see, I could see why at the time, everyone is entitled to their opinions and its obvious that my post was skimmed over, as I already stated Thrasher had been trained from a child.

Still you can't convince everybody and he did at least give Thrash a couple of wins!

Alfheim
Originally posted by Hercules
Yeah I can see, I could see why at the time, everyone is entitled to their opinions and its obvious that my post was skimmed over, as I already stated Thrasher had been trained from a child.

Still you can't convince everybody and he did at least give Thrash a couple of wins!

Cool. big grin

Hercules
Just a few images I found, courtesy of "Of Course Yeah".

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/spencercarnage-ntblindterrax.jpg

Vs Terrax

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/spencercarnage-ntslashbengal.jpg

using his board against Bengal

http://server2.uploadit.org/files/spencercarnage-ntmadthink.jpg

Literaly knocking an android version of Mad Thinkers head off!

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/spencercarnage-ntslashpun.jpg

Stabbing The Punisher and Punisher stating that "hes good"

http://server3.uploadit.org/files/spencercarnage-ntuzi.jpg

This one is just a bit of fun, he has an Uzi and even when you threaten his woman hes still not afraid to use it. big grin

I'm still undecided as to who would take a majority in this, I just thought I should present a decent case for a hero who imo is underated.

starlock
Originally posted by Alfheim
Hercules....can you see why I got pissed in the Punisher vs Shang Chi thread. Is it me but if he had read your post would he still have posted the above statement.

hey i am all for playing nice,but hey up till my post he said he was similiar to batman,i said dick could be better than batman,it wasnt untill after that he gave thrashers teachings and by whom so get mad who cares,and i bet hercules the gentleman will agrree i read his post

are you too busy trying to make a friend out of somebody who has intelligence? and has good skills at debating? thats cool but dont try and use me for your stupidity

he does say he thinks he is not in batmans league in certain areas so i used my own judgement and will say nightwing wins, now if nightthrasher trains a young boy who turns into a man in his hero stick then that will be a better fight in my eyes

batman trained from the best-he became the best( in certain areas)
batman trained dick at an earlier age than he even trained so i am using that,

Hey hercules is this guy a friend of yours? please advise him not to bring me in to his ass kissing please

starlock
i am in a very bad mood,and i dont like to fight with people(well maybe mr master) so i appologize,but when i see me quoted for no reason but my own opinon, it does not sit right with me

Hercules
Originally posted by starlock
hey i am all for playing nice,but hey up till my post he said he was similiar to batman,i said dick could be better than batman,it wasnt untill after that he gave thrashers teachings and by whom so get mad who cares,and i bet hercules the gentleman will agrree i read his post

are you too busy trying to make a friend out of somebody who has intelligence? and has good skills at debating? thats cool but dont try and use me for your stupidity

he does say he thinks he is not in batmans league in certain areas so i used my own judgement and will say nightwing wins, now if nightthrasher trains a young boy who turns into a man in his hero stick then that will be a better fight in my eyes

batman trained from the best-he became the best( in certain areas)
batman trained dick at an earlier age than he even trained so i am using that,

Hey hercules is this guy a friend of yours? please advise him not to bring me in to his ass kissing please

Hes not really having a go at you starlock, hes refering to another topic, where despite evidence he was still being shouted down.

I don't think it was personal, no need for this to turn ugly, I thought maybe you had skimmed my post, I know I do it occasionaly and I can be longwinded.

Evidently you didn't and your right Thrasher is below Batman in quite a number of areas.

Like I said you gave him a few wins which is more than a few others have done. Dick is a good hand to hand combatant and I myself am finding it hard to decide who would take a majority.

After all what Dick has over Thrasher skills wise, Thrasher can compencate with his armour.

Alfheim from what I have seen of him, is actually a good poster in his own right, if a little hotheaded but we can all let our emotions get the better of ourselves at times.

I respect your opinion, you stated your reasons and you didn't diss Thrasher in doing so and I have no doubt Alfhiem is ok with that, lets just stick on topic and debate this.

No need for an argument that will get the thread locked. wink

nvrbeenwthagirl
The new warriors used to be cool. especially when fabian necsiaza was writing. sad. Marvel ****ed them up.

Hercules
Originally posted by starlock
i am in a very bad mood,and i dont like to fight with people(well maybe mr master) so i appologize,but when i see me quoted for no reason but my own opinon, it does not sit right with me

No Problems my friend, we all have off days.

starlock
cool, i actually like nightthrasher
i post from work and have no comics with me ,so even i knew about his brain thing must show i know somthing about thrasher, more than alot of other threads and this one can say i would bet,i collected most of the new warriors
and hey your post was the reason i gave thrasher wins hehe
and maybe i am stupid but i thought i had good arguments why dick would win, thasher is definetly underated, and thanks i forgot alot of his background

Alfheim
Originally posted by starlock
i am in a very bad mood,and i dont like to fight with people(well maybe mr master) so i appologize,but when i see me quoted for no reason but my own opinon, it does not sit right with me

Look im not trying to piss you off. If you look at your first post and you look at what Hercules posted before that im sure you would have not come to that conclusion.

My point is people provide evidence in debates but people do not read the evidence given , they just skim over it.

Originally posted by starlock

to me there is nothing as important as being trained young.

The thing is Hercules stated that already.

Originally posted by Hercules

has been training all his life to fight crime.

Serioulsy im not trying to be jerk or anything im just trying to make a point.

I can imagine though at work it maybe hard to scans things in detail.

starlock
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The new warriors used to be cool. especially when fabian necsiaza was writing. sad. Marvel ****ed them up.

i said the same thing at one point lol

starlock
Originally posted by Alfheim
Look im not trying to piss you off. If you look at your first post and you look at what Hercules posted before that im sure you would have not come to that conclusion.

My point is people provide evidence in debates but people do not read the evidence given , they just skim over it.



The thing is Hercules stated that already.



Serioulsy im not trying to be jerk or anything im just trying to make a point.
but you are
i understand but even now ,i could train all my life as a kid and have no real teachers? am i right? and what age exactly? BATMAN TRAINED DICK has the person who trained thrasher had over 50 years of comic book exploits?you are starting to get to me though, even if you are polite, i said i read the post and i will say again
I READ HIS POST, i am entitled to my opinon and you stating that i would not have posted that is insulting please you are not helping

Alfheim
Originally posted by starlock
but you are
i understand but even now ,i could train all my life as a kid and have no real teachers? am i right? and what age exactly? BATMAN TRAINED DICK has the person who trained thrasher had over 50 years of comic book exploits?you are starting to get to me though, even if you are polite, i said i read the post and i will say again
I READ HIS POST, i am entitled to my opinon and you stating that i would not have posted that is insulting please you are not helping

Nevermind.

LordFear
I don't see why people sleep on NT as much as they do!!!!

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