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Current versions of both.

Bloodlust on.

Fight in an empty warehouse.

Spidey is already dead WITH the webbing but without its just a massacre. Its slaughter that's what it is

Adamantium Sabes?

Originally posted by braz
Adamantium Sabes?

yeah. current versions of both.

I still think Spiderman could win this. his reflexes, agility and spider sense still highly outweigh Sabretooth's enhanced reaction time which is very slight. w/o webbing would make it harder though. but i still say Spiderman punches a hole in Creed's stomach and spills his guts out, that is, if bloodlust is on.

I've taken out the 'without webbing' requirement.

This fight would play out very similar to a Spider-man's fight with Black Tarantula or Morlun, as in a one sided beat down.

Peter Parker wins.

Use. The. Search.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427777&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=353609&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376333&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356851&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=362545&highlight=title%3A%28spider-man+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331881&highlight=title%3A%28spider-man+vs.+sabertooth%29

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Use. The. Search.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=427777&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=353609&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376333&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=356851&highlight=title%3A%28spiderman+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=362545&highlight=title%3A%28spider-man+vs.+sabertooth%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=331881&highlight=title%3A%28spider-man+vs.+sabertooth%29

this is current versions. Both of them have undergone drastic changes.

Originally posted by masterbruce
this is current versions. Both of them have undergone drastic changes. Since October 27th?

Spiderman wins.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Current versions of both.

Bloodlust on.

Fight in an empty warehouse.

webs ftw

Originally posted by masterbruce
Current versions of both.

Bloodlust on.

Fight in an empty warehouse.

Spider-Man for the win. Just not an easy win.

Spidey has the suit.

Spidey 5.5/10

exactly one hour after

....Damn,it changed as i posted....

I think Sabretooth wins 6/10

normal self doubting spider-man might not win the majority, but im fairly confident a bloodlusted one wouldnt have a huge amount of trouble with this. how often is spider-man bloodlusted in comics? almost never, but when he unleashes he trashes guys whod normally give him alot of trouble. id give this to a bloodlusted apider-man at least 7, maybe 8/10.

current spidey got the iron man suit

No he doesn't. Not as of "current".

Sabretooth could have just killed Mary Jane in front of Pete's eyes and still win.

Parker's not taking this fight.

Originally posted by Soljer
Sabretooth could have just killed Mary Jane in front of Pete's eyes and still win.

Parker's not taking this fight.

I dont know about that. A bloodlusted Spiderman could possibly really give Sabretooth trouble. When Spiderman was class 15 he destroyed an Iron Man from 2020..

Then again...nah. Sabrettoth is class 20 and an MA expert. Spiderman has trouble with street levelers, imagine an MA expert with class 20 strength claws and adamantuim enhancements.

No Spiderman loses.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont know about that. A bloodlusted Spiderman could possibly really give Sabretooth trouble. When Spiderman was class 15 he destroyed an Iron Man from 2020..

Then again...nah. Sabrettoth is class 20 and an MA expert. Spiderman has trouble with street levelers, imagine an MA expert with class 20 strength claws and adamantuim enhancements.

No Spiderman loses.

lol...I liked how you talked yourself out of your original opinion

Originally posted by masterbruce
lol...I liked how you talked yourself out of your original opinion

The only reason Sabretooth would win is because Spider-Man wouldn't go all out.

Originally posted by golem370
The only reason Sabretooth would win is because Spider-Man wouldn't go all out.

Even if he did. Why would Spiderman win? Sabretooth is an MA, with a healing factor, class 20 strength and adamantuim claws and bones.

He is only class fifteen with Adamantium. Spider-Man is faster smarter more agile stronger and has Spider-Sense.

Sabretooth- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Sabretooth_%28Victor_Creed%29

Originally posted by golem370
He is only class fifteen with Adamantium. Spider-Man is faster smarter more agile stronger and has Spider-Sense.

Sabretooth- http://www.marveldatabase.com/Sabretooth_%28Victor_Creed%29

Sabretooth's easily on the same level in speed.

He's on the same level in Strength.

He's not too shabby of a fighter.

He has a healing factor analogous to Wolverine's, that will pretty much allow him to shrug off all of Spidey's attacks.

And his attacks are FAR more lethal than Spiderman's.

Originally posted by golem370
He is only class fifteen with Adamantium.

Thats debateable.

http://www.marveldatabase.com/Sabretooth_%28Victor_Creed%29
possibly into the 15 ton range.

What wiki said is an estimation so giving Sabre 20 ton strength is not that much of a stretch

Originally posted by golem370

Spider-Man is faster


Ok but I dont think there is huge margin.

Originally posted by golem370

smarter

Well, ok but again Sabre has lots of experience as well.

Originally posted by golem370

stronger

Thats debateable.


Originally posted by golem370

and has Spider-Sense.

Which doesnt stop him from gettiing hit by MA experts.

Heres the problem. Spiderman maybe faster and smarter but thats not going to be enough. Sabretooth has a healing factor, adamantuim bones and superhuman durability. Basically Spiderman could punch at Sabreooth all day and it probably wont do anything. Its not like hes fighting Wolverine who has at most 1 ton strength, he is fighting somebody who has what Wolverine has and has superhuman strength.

Furthermore Sabre is an MA expert, Spiderman has always had problems with MA experts. For example when fighting DD or Cap Spiderman has had to use webbing, this time he is fighting an MA expert with a whole lot more.


Also Sabretooth probably has more stamina than Spiderman, so even if Spiderman can dodge him sooner or later hes going to get him.

Source of scans Respect Spider-Man.
1. This is a fairly famous issue (ASM #33). He has the antidote to something Aunt May is infected with, but is trapped beneath a massive amount of steel and debris.
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3314ec.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3324tu.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3332go.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3340wt.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3354xo.gif

I doubt Sabretooth could do this.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/golem370/spideyliftstrain15mm.jpg

Originally posted by golem370
Source of scans Respect Spider-Man.
1. This is a fairly famous issue (ASM #33). He has the antidote to something Aunt May is infected with, but is trapped beneath a massive amount of steel and debris.
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3314ec.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3324tu.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3332go.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3340wt.gif
http://img504.imageshack.us/my.php?image=3354xo.gif

I doubt Sabretooth could do this.
http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h171/golem370/spideyliftstrain15mm.jpg

Well if Spiderman is classified as being class 15 and he could do the above and Sabretooth is classified as about 15 tons, why couldnt he do the above as well?

Class 15 means he could lift between 5 and 15 tons Spider-Man currently lifts between 15 and 20 tons

Originally posted by golem370
Class 15 means he could lift between 5 and 15 tons Spider-Man currently lifts between 15 and 20 tons

Yeah and wiki says that Sabretooth could possibly 15 tons, so saying that Sabretooth can lift 20 is not a stretch, we could even reduce it donw to 18.

Spiderman is not going to have a huge strength advantage.

As I mentioned how is he going to hurt somebody as strong as Sabretooth, when he has problems hurting Wolverine?

IMO Spider-Man would win. Plus I believe that Train Spider-Man is lifting is more then 20 tons.

How about he use's his speed and strength to stay ahead of Sabretooth and grab him from behind and toss Sabretooth across the room as fast as somebody could who lifts 20 tons to somebody who weights 350lbs

Originally posted by golem370
IMO Spider-Man would win. Plus I believe that Train Spider-Man is lifting is more then 20 tons.

To be fair hes not really lifting it properly. In order to do that he would have to be standing in the middle.

Its as if he is standing at the front of the train and the end is probably touching the ground. Its like lifting up car by lifting the front of it up, while the end is still touching the ground.

Originally posted by golem370
How about he use's his speed and strength to stay ahead of Sabretooth and grab him from behind and toss Sabretooth across the room as fast as somebody could who lifts 20 tons to somebody who weights 350lbs

Ah, ok then. Was this an upgraded Sabretooth?

IMO Spider-Man could hit Sabes 10 times with superstrong punches before Sabretooth could react.

whoa, whoa , whoa
Is this the same Sabretooth who got his face webbed and decided to pull it off along with his face?
Yeah he has gone through some upgrades but so has Spidey.
We all know that when Sabretooth fights he never holds back he usually goes all out. Spidey hardly goes all out and still takes down high calibur foes. If Spidey goes all out here Sabes goes down.

Originally posted by golem370
IMO Spider-Man could hit Sabes 10 times with superstrong punches before Sabretooth could react.

Well if he has done what you said, then I see what you mean. Spiderman has a significant speed advantage.

Look down the page the train car is not touching the ground. Plus it would be harder to do it the way he is doing it because he is balancing the longer part of the train with his power. There is also a scan where he had a celing fall on top of him underground and trapes him on top of the ruble is a subway car and he lifts it off of him. There is speculation that the radiation in Spider-Man's blood is sorta like that in Hulk in which when Spider-Man gets angry or scared his adreline kicks in and he is able to become stronger then normal.

Originally posted by golem370
There is speculation that the radiation in Spider-Man's blood is sorta like that in Hulk in which when Spider-Man gets angry or scared his adreline kicks in and he is able to become stronger then normal.

That could make sense, but all mutants get their powers from background radiation. So the same could apply to them.

Im not sure what to think right now.

hes right in the fact that a lot of Spidermans high end strength feats have come during times when he is under duress.

The Scan from ASM of him lifting all that debri is an example, as is the lifting of the train when he gets angry and is tired of holding back.

They are hardly constant enough to have him have rage amping strength like the Hulk though but its a known fact that normal humans in times of intense stress have displayed almost superhuman strength.

So given Spidermans already superhuman strength, you can see where he found the strength to do those feats.

Question is though, can he do this on a regular basis? and I would say not, this is an interesting fight, Sabretooths durability means he would be tough for Spiderman to put down.

He has taken shots from guys a lot stronger than Spiderman, even if Spiderman goes all out.

Creed isn't afraid of taking shots to get into a position to deal some damage, he knows he will heal quick after all, Spiderman is the more agile of the two but Sabretooth moves pretty quickly himself.

Fighting skills the nod has to go to creed, he is more precise and will go for the kill, where as even a bloodlusted Spiderman is just going to bludgeon until Creed stops getting back up.

The claws are also a factor, this isn't just about strength alone, if Creed slices an artery, Spiderman is in trouble.

Webbing helps Spidey, it can slow Creed down and help Peter put some distance between them.

Its a curb stomp for neither party but I think Creeds Healing ability keeps him in it longer than Spidey and eventually he would wear him down.

I give Sabretooth a slight, ever so slight majority 6/10.

Sigh.

"Thwip!"

Hold on a second here. Spider-man with webs would take the majority. As Sabes isn't that much above Wolverine.

Without webbing Soider-man would go down though.

A lot of people dont know what they are talking about sabertooth wins the majority here. Sabertooth is more than capable of hitting spiderman and he can laugh off majority of spiderman attacks just like he laugh at almost anybody attacks. Wolverine takes a huge majority and against someone that is much more ruthless than wolverine and wont show as much mercy as wolverine, spiderman is going down and quite fast and hard. This is a different step from morlun that he is fighting, this is an entire different level. Lets put it like this, sabertooth almost killed spiderman and punisher while they were fighting together, what is spiderman going to do alone against a more deadly, stronger, and ruthless sabertooth than the one he fought before.

hmmmmmm Okay sabretooth was too fast for spiderman BEFORE he had the graydon creed enhancements... now would just be outright embarrassing...

Not much above wolverine?

Oh yea, except for the part where he's 10x stronger, more durable, a better healing factor, faster, has infared vision, and can will his hyperactive and superhuman senses away if needed.


pfffft.

Spiderman with webs loses, spiderman without webs loses... this is ridiculous.. Sabretooth wins, flat out.

It's like someone said earlier, we've seen how spiderman deals with MA's. now spidey's up against a superhuman MA, the last time we saw something comparible to that which was black turantula.. and we all saw how he faired.. sabretooth wins.

Jinzin has a good point there. & Sabretooth would be able to cut webs a lot more efficently with his claws than Wolverine. He doesn't need to move his hands in order to cut the webs, just his fingers..

I think people should look at it this way, Sabertooth is pretty much Spider-man and Wolverine combined, Spider-mans strength and speed and wolverines admantium, healing factor, senses and skills.

And in this fight Spidey fans can't fall back on the webbing because Sabertooth is strong enough to rip the webbing without his claws.

Sabretooth 9/10, Spider-man gets 1 win for some sort of flukey KO

(and yes I do think Sabertooth could break the webbing because Spider-man can do it himself...well sometimes depends on the writer really, and they are in the same strength class)

Spidey loses. Plain and simple.

(I don't like it either)

http://www.myemoticons.com/categories/badboys/www_MyEmoticons_com__beingsick.gif

Spider-Man wins there is no way in hell Sabretooth is as fast or as strong as Spider-Man. Spider-Man once snapped a chain holding a three ton wrecking ball and started twirling it like Thor twirling his hammer. Now if Sabretooth got hit with something like that it might not kill him but it should K.O Sabretooth. 6,000 pounds hurtling at Sabretooth at 50 to 100mph would imo really hurt Sabretooth.

Originally posted by jinzin

It's like someone said earlier, we've seen how spiderman deals with MA's. now spidey's up against a superhuman MA, the last time we saw something comparible to that which was black turantula.. and we all saw how he faired.. sabretooth wins.

Yeah thats what I said. Realistically Spiderman should lose.

Originally posted by golem370
Spider-Man wins there is no way in hell Sabretooth is as fast or as strong as Spider-Man. Spider-Man once snapped a chain holding a three ton wrecking ball and started twirling it like Thor twirling his hammer. Now if Sabretooth got hit with something like that it might not kill him but it should K.O Sabretooth. 6,000 pounds hurtling at Sabretooth at 50 to 100mph would imo really hurt Sabretooth.

assuming there is a 3 ton chain ball lying around

in the time it takes Spiderman to lift the chain and swing it around above his head

what is Sabretooth doing? just watching?

Well since Sabretooth can't move as fast as Spider-Man he could grab it and comeback before Sabretooth couldn't stop him from doing it. He could also wrap Sabretooth with a bunch of Webbing and then toss cars and trucks on him traping him.

Originally posted by golem370
Spider-Man wins there is no way in hell Sabretooth is as fast or as strong as Spider-Man.
well see, that's where your wrong.
Before sabretooth's establishments and supposed power upgrades in the mauraders sabretooth's speed was astonishing to iron fist, terrifying even.
Spiderman's never got that kind of reaction out of IF due to speed.

Then we have to consider that after his murauder upgrades he was not only faster than wolverine, but he PROVED himself to be too fast for spiderman, having spiderman well at the hands of his mercy.

Since weapon x sabretooth snatched sinister's superman out of the air, and speedblitzed deadpool faster than deadpool could even draw his sword.

Strength is debateable, if all the sources are correct on creed's strength, he's actually on the same level as spiderman.. the big difference however is their ability to use their strength.. sabretooth backed by formal training will be hitting multiples over his actual strength level, and then further backed by an admantium skeleton you're looking at one heavy hitter.

Spiderman's strength on the other handis useless to him.. how on earth can he possibly use it here? he can't overpower creed, he can't subdue him with brute power.. he just doesn't have what it takes for that.. so why bring strength up? that's clearly not an advantage in spiderman's favor.



Originally posted by golem370
.. Spider-Man once snapped a chain holding a three ton wrecking ball and started twirling it like Thor twirling his hammer. Now if Sabretooth got hit with something like that it might not kill him but it should K.O Sabretooth. 6,000 pounds hurtling at Sabretooth at 50 to 100mph would imo really hurt Sabretooth. cause you know.... spiderman carries a wrecking ball with him at all times...


pffft... same old story.. spiderman's outclassed so he starts generating peices of city out his ass to aid him.

and no, a wrecking ball is not going to be more effetive than punches from the class 100 killpower, the class 100+ sasquatch, the class 100+ wendigo, the class 100 sinister superman, the class 100 juggernaught, the class 50+ ms. marvel, the class 50+ rogue aided by a flying speedblitz, or danny rand's iron fist.

sabretooth's stood up to all of those.

it's sad, even giving spiderman random ass street fight weapons, you still can't bring up a way for peter to level the playing field for himself.

Originally posted by golem370
Well since Sabretooth can't move as fast as Spider-Man he could grab it and comeback before Sabretooth couldn't stop him from doing it. He could also wrap Sabretooth with a bunch of Webbing and then toss cars and trucks on him traping him.
another fallacy, and another instance of this city generation power spidey somehow attained.

Originally posted by jinzin
another fallacy, and another instance of this city generation power spidey somehow attained.

I even stated in my OP that this fight is in an empty Warehouse.

I have a question though, the way you described Sabretooth, he seems so much more powerful than Logan in almost every way. How does Logan than hang or even beat Sabretooth?

Originally posted by masterbruce
I even stated in my OP that this fight is in an empty Warehouse.

A warehouse full of cars? I must have missed that post.


Originally posted by masterbruce
I have a question though, the way you described Sabretooth, he seems so much more powerful than Logan in almost every way. How does Logan than hang or even beat Sabretooth?

He is far more powerful than logan in every way.. that's the entire basis of his character and it has been since his incarnation.
Wolverine stands up to sabretooth in fights because wolverine's far more suited for dealing with someone like sabretooth than most people are.
Wolverine has the skills, and the tempered knowledge to make up for his lack of physicality against sabretooth. Though their skill level is roughly comparable, Sabretooth more easily loses it than wolverine does, allowing for wolverine to exploit sabre-tooth's mistakes more often than not. Sabretooth also suffers from EXTREME CIS when dealing with wolverine. Wolverine above all others brings the cockiness out of Sabretooth, which again lends itself to allow for sabretooth to make more mistakes. Finally, wolverine's claws are what REALLY even the odds between them. They are just entirely more efficient weapons for sabretooth than brick punches are.

All that said however, Wolverine and Sabretooth when both are on level ground are not equivalent.

When they both are bone clad warriors sabretooth has the advantage.
When both have adamantium, sabretooth has the advantage.
The only time this isn't the standard is when wolverine has the adamantium as opposed to sabre-tooth's natural bones.
Though bone clawed wolverine did beat admantiumized sabes, I think that is more of an exception than a standard.

so I guess it's settled...Sabretooth wins?

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Spider-Man for the win. Just not an easy win.

metalmanx, have you changed your mind?

sabertooth wins this quite easily. Please dont let me pull out some scans of bone clawed sabertooth almost killing spiderman but letting him go.

Originally posted by masterbruce
so I guess it's settled...Sabretooth wins?

yeah pretty much...

I mean the only way for spiderman to even get a win is through webbing.. which is alltogether even harder for him to do here than it is against wolverine... the plausibility of spiderman pulling something like that off on sabretooth who is faster than cap, as strong as spiderman, has his own claws, and can pretty much decimate whatever he gets webbed to.. kinda dictates there's relatively no chance of spiderman winning this..
not only does he have to fight immaculately but he has to drop someone who's outside of his capibility to bring down physically.

but didn't black panther kill sabretooth?

yes... in a non cannon event where sabretooth was severely depowered and lacking an adamantium skeleton for no apparent reason.... but it doesn't matter since it wasn't a 616 event.. that didn't happen outside of scarlet wiches' imagination.

oh ok, i see

bump

Originally posted by masterbruce
I have a question though, the way you described Sabretooth, he seems so much more powerful than Logan in almost every way. How does Logan than hang or even beat Sabretooth?

Simply put, Wolverine hangs with Sabretooth because Sabretooth allows him too. Sabretooth is always toying with Wolverine, sometimes he gets cocky and finds him self in over his head but he is never going all out against Logan. Victor has ulterior motives concerning Wolverine, he knows what their relationship is and he has been stringing him along for years. Fact is Wolverine only holds his own Sabretooth because Victor, in some twisted way, gets some amusement out of it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Simply put, Wolverine hangs with Sabretooth because Sabretooth allows him too. Sabretooth is always toying with Wolverine, sometimes he gets cocky and finds him self in over his head but he is never going all out against Logan. Victor has ulterior motives concerning Wolverine, he knows what their relationship is and he has been stringing him along for years. Fact is Wolverine only holds his own Sabretooth because Victor, in some twisted way, gets some amusement out of it.

hmmm....never knew that, the couple times I saw them tango didn't look like Sabretooth was just fooling with Logan...I doubt Sabretooth gets amusement from his brain being lobotomized by Logan.

But I guess it is settled that Sabretooth kills Spiderman.

Originally posted by jinzin
well see, that's where your wrong.
Before sabretooth's establishments and supposed power upgrades in the mauraders sabretooth's speed was astonishing to iron fist, terrifying even.
Spiderman's never got that kind of reaction out of IF due to speed.

Then we have to consider that after his murauder upgrades he was not only faster than wolverine, but he PROVED himself to be too fast for spiderman, having spiderman well at the hands of his mercy.

Since weapon x sabretooth snatched sinister's superman out of the air, and speedblitzed deadpool faster than deadpool could even draw his sword.




You got to be kiddin me? Serioulsy Sabretooth is faster than Spiderman. Are all these showings consistent?

I still agree that Sabretooth wins but im just interested to know if hes that fast.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You got to be kiddin me? Serioulsy Sabretooth is faster than Spiderman. Are all these showings consistent?

I still agree that Sabretooth wins but im just interested to know if hes that fast.

Apparently, everyone agrees that Sabretooth PWNs Spiderman.

Originally posted by masterbruce
Apparently, everyone agrees that Sabretooth PWNs Spiderman.

That's just plain false. Please don't speak for everyone. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate it. I know I don't.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
That's just plain false. Please don't speak for everyone. I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate it. I know I don't.

Ok, fine, everyong BUT Metalmanx knows Sabretooth disembowels Spiderman.

Um you still think Spiderman can beat sabretooth?

HOW?

Spidey takes this 7/10 due to Webbing, Spider-sense, agililty, and super-strength.

Sabretooth takes this 3/10 if he manages to trap, weardown or somehow get a vital strike in on spidey.

In general, I dont see Sabretooth able to get any slices in whatsoever unless Spidey is exhausted and for some strange reason cant anticipate and dodge as normal.

Sabretooth is strong enough to rip out of webbing, and has adamantium nails that can slice through it with ease.

He's just as strong as Spidey, and just as fast.

Sabretooth, more or less, is Spiderman and Wolverine amalgamated, minus webbing and pre cog. Spiderman isn't taking him down.

Regarding speed, Sabretooth is nowhere near as agile and quick as Spider-man.

And the Web situation:
It depends on how the webbing is used. If Spidey were to web his hands/fists, then arms, then shoulders etc, Sabre has no range of movement in which to break free, and no exposed claws (web covered) to cut. Spidey can definitely dodge, and kick out webbing faster than Sabre can cut though anyways. In minutes, he'd look like a wiggling moron.

In jumps Spidey and its clobbering time. He could re-inforce the webbing, or go in for some extreme blows.
Regeneration does not help against KO's or decapitation. And Spidey can pretty much read Sabretooths movements in advance with Spider sense.

Keep in mind I'm not saying Sabre has no chance, it just lesser odds - like 3/10 due to spideys mobility, and spider-sense.s

The Blob is said to possess class 75 strength (obviously, before his depowering) as part of an ongoing mutation that took place in his body, gradually increasing his superhuman strength.

And yet, the webbing held him just fine:
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanblobcapture8ts.jpg

And then there are things like this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6432145

Given the sheer size of that load, the webbing would require some immense durability to hold onto that--while swinging at high speeds. I'm sure I don't need to explain the physics to anyone. Which is good, because I can't explain it well in here.

There's this example, too (though I believe the rock load to be more impressive):
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p12hg6ub.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p13hg1nb.jpg

And then this:
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvnewsvenom13kf.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom26zd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom37xc.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom49ce.jpg

Hell, they were hardly that high up, too. The speed in which he fired his webbing and having it stick was just ridiculous there.

And since I've never doubted that Sabretooth could cut through the webbing (I mean, he's got claws afterall), I'm simply arguing that Sabretooth would not be strong enough to break out of it (sans cutting).

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Blob is said to possess class 75 strength (obviously, before his depowering) as part of an ongoing mutation that took place in his body, gradually increasing his superhuman strength.

And yet, the webbing held him just fine:
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanblobcapture8ts.jpg

And then there are things like this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6432145

Given the sheer size of that load, the webbing would require some immense durability to hold onto that--while swinging at high speeds. I'm sure I don't need to explain the physics to anyone. Which is good, because I can't explain it well in here.

There's this example, too (though I believe the rock load to be more impressive):
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p12hg6ub.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p13hg1nb.jpg

And then this:
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvnewsvenom13kf.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom26zd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom37xc.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom49ce.jpg

Hell, they were hardly that high up, too. The speed in which he fired his webbing and having it stick was just ridiculous there.

And since I've never doubted that Sabretooth could cut through the webbing (I mean, he's got claws afterall), I'm simply arguing that Sabretooth would not be strong enough to break out of it (sans cutting).

Pretty much. Odds are in Spider-mans favor 7/10

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Blob is said to possess class 75 strength (obviously, before his depowering) as part of an ongoing mutation that took place in his body, gradually increasing his superhuman strength.

And yet, the webbing held him just fine:
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanblobcapture8ts.jpg

And then there are things like this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6432145

Given the sheer size of that load, the webbing would require some immense durability to hold onto that--while swinging at high speeds. I'm sure I don't need to explain the physics to anyone. Which is good, because I can't explain it well in here.

There's this example, too (though I believe the rock load to be more impressive):
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p12hg6ub.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p13hg1nb.jpg

And then this:
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvnewsvenom13kf.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom26zd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom37xc.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom49ce.jpg

Hell, they were hardly that high up, too. The speed in which he fired his webbing and having it stick was just ridiculous there.

And since I've never doubted that Sabretooth could cut through the webbing (I mean, he's got claws afterall), I'm simply arguing that Sabretooth would not be strong enough to break out of it (sans cutting).


Intresting to say the least.

Originally posted by Alfheim
You got to be kiddin me? Serioulsy Sabretooth is faster than Spiderman. Are all these showings consistent?

I still agree that Sabretooth wins but im just interested to know if hes that fast.

yeah pretty much.. it's part of the basis of his original chracterization...

In his first and 2nd appearances he was astonishing IF with his speed.
In his fith appearance he nearly tagged spiderman.
Within his first ten appearances he proved he was faster than logan comparitively.
By the time he had become an established character he PWNERIZED spiderman and punisher at the same time using a blitz.


I don't know if he's positively faster than spiderman.. and I would be inclined to say that he probably isn't in all reality but he's probably very close to if not straight up as fast.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Spidey takes this 7/10 due to Webbing, Spider-sense, agililty, and super-strength.

webbing which will be less than effective,
spider sense which already proven won't help
and super strength which sabretooth stands roughly as his equal with?

pfffffft...

Sabretooth takes this 3/10 if he manages to trap, weardown or somehow get a vital strike in on spidey.

please, spiderman's gone down from a claw poke from wolverine, a broken arn, and a noncholant kick to the gonads.. sabretooth hardly has to hit vitals.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
In general, I dont see Sabretooth able to get any slices in whatsoever unless Spidey is exhausted and for some strange reason cant anticipate and dodge as normal.

well what you "see" and what's most likely are two entirely different spectrums of fact my friend. I highly question what exactly you think ispossible for spiderman to "dodge as normal" cause it isn't someone on sabretooth's calibur.

Sabertooth would make mincemeat of Spiderman. I'm still steaming how he lost to Iron Fist a long time back. A true WTF!!

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Regarding speed, Sabretooth is nowhere near as agile
and no one said that he was...

Originally posted by horrorwolf
and quick as Spider-man.
nothing more than YOUR opinion which is not only HIGHLY SUSPECT and
HIGHLY open for debate, but in strict contrast with solidified directly comparible proof.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
And the Web situation:
It depends on how the webbing is used. If Spidey were to web his hands/fists, then arms, then shoulders etc, Sabre has no range of movement in which to break free, and no exposed claws (web covered) to cut. .

which we all know is sooooo likely to happen because sabretooth won't be attacking spiderman or anything he'll be standing there letting himself freely be webbed up to pete's desire right?



Originally posted by horrorwolf
Spidey can definitely dodge, and kick out webbing faster than Sabre can cut though anyways. In minutes, he'd look like a wiggling moron..

you mean like taskmaster wasn't fast enough?

no that can't be it.

you must mean like when lizard isn't fast enough?

no.. damn.. that's not a good example either...

okay I got it, you mean like when black panther wasn't fast enough to do the.......


no that's not right either..shit.. what DO you mean?

sabretooth's plenty fast enough to cut through the webbing that comes at him, and strong enough to tear away at the strands his claws don't get with brute strength ALONE.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
In jumps Spidey and its clobbering time. He could re-inforce the webbing, or go in for some extreme blows.
Regeneration does not help against KO's or decapitation. And Spidey can pretty much read Sabretooths movements in advance with Spider sense...

Spiderman can't even KO wolverine with "everything I've got" what the hell makes you think he's gonna put down creed?
pffft apparently spiderman hits harder than sasquatch, colosus, ms. marvel and killpower now...

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Keep in mind I'm not saying Sabre has no chance, it just lesser odds - like 3/10 due to spideys mobility, and spider-sense.s

ah yes.. the infaulible spider sense that kept spiderman from having his throat at sabretooth's very hands.... oh wait.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4742044

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Blob is said to possess class 75 strength (obviously, before his depowering) as part of an ongoing mutation that took place in his body, gradually increasing his superhuman strength.

And yet, the webbing held him just fine:
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanblobcapture8ts.jpg

And then there are things like this:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6432145

Given the sheer size of that load, the webbing would require some immense durability to hold onto that--while swinging at high speeds. I'm sure I don't need to explain the physics to anyone. Which is good, because I can't explain it well in here.

There's this example, too (though I believe the rock load to be more impressive):
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p12hg6ub.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p13hg1nb.jpg

And then this:
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvnewsvenom13kf.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom26zd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom37xc.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom49ce.jpg

Hell, they were hardly that high up, too. The speed in which he fired his webbing and having it stick was just ridiculous there.

And since I've never doubted that Sabretooth could cut through the webbing (I mean, he's got claws afterall), I'm simply arguing that Sabretooth would not be strong enough to break out of it (sans cutting).

no one's saying that given the sufficient amount of time that spidey could very well have creed webbed to the point his strength was of no use, however it's WELL less likely that spiderman's going to leave creed incapacitated with the strands he'll be shooting in an actual fight.

jinzin actaully the agility thing could very well be debatable. people seem to forget the agility means lightness of foot. Just becuase wolverine and sabertooth don't bounce around because it waste time and is in effective in battle does not mean they can't. See as how they are to of the stealthest people in marvel which would mean they have to be extremely agile

Bouncing around isn't a waste of time; agility is the adroitness of movement and the skill in which doing so, in which Spiderman does best, second to Mr. Fantastic of course, who can adapt his shape to anything.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bouncing around isn't a waste of time; agility is the adroitness of movement and the skill in which doing so, in which Spiderman does best, second to Mr. Fantastic of course, who can adapt his shape to anything.

Agreed, so many people tend to get agility, speed and reflex's confused, although working in cohesion, can be quite spectacular, sorta like spidey.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Bouncing around isn't a waste of time; agility is the adroitness of movement and the skill in which doing so, in which Spiderman does best, second to Mr. Fantastic of course, who can adapt his shape to anything.
actually it is a waste of time. Most often jumping is the worst thing to do in a fight. when your in the air you can not redirect your movements.


also agility means lightness of foot.

Sabretooth doesn't playfight boys.

spidey aint looking the same after this fight

You're right. He'll have a giant grin on his face after he gets his victory reward from MJ.

too bad he wont have a penis or scrotem or a pair of lungs

Interesting. Possibly donated to science after his victory over Creed?

Originally posted by jinzin



I don't know if he's positively faster than spiderman.. and I would be inclined to say that he probably isn't in all reality but he's probably very close to if not straight up as fast.

...Spiderman loses.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
The Blob is said to possess class 75 strength (obviously, before his depowering) as part of an ongoing mutation that took place in his body, gradually increasing his superhuman strength.

And yet, the webbing held him just fine:
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanvsblob16xu.jpg
http://img360.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanblobcapture8ts.jpg


I dunno I alwasy thought Blob was a big lumox.


Originally posted by Metalmanx

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6432145


So Sabrettoth wouldnt be able to dodge that?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

Given the sheer size of that load, the webbing would require some immense durability to hold onto that--while swinging at high speeds. I'm sure I don't need to explain the physics to anyone. Which is good, because I can't explain it well in here.

There's this example, too (though I believe the rock load to be more impressive):
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p12hg6ub.jpg
http://img243.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spidermanwolverine3p13hg1nb.jpg

And then this:
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvnewsvenom13kf.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom26zd.jpg
http://img323.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom37xc.jpg
http://img111.imageshack.us/my.php?image=spideyvsnewvenom49ce.jpg

Hell, they were hardly that high up, too. The speed in which he fired his webbing and having it stick was just ridiculous there.

And since I've never doubted that Sabretooth could cut through the webbing (I mean, he's got claws afterall), I'm simply arguing that Sabretooth would not be strong enough to break out of it (sans cutting).

I dont see whats going to stop Sabretooth cutting through all different examples of webbing when Blade and Taskmaster have done the same, also Sabretooth is extremely fast. It could be argued that the reason why Blade and Taskmaster were able to do it is because they used skill.

Why would Sabretooth be in a position where he would have to use brute strength to cut through the webbing? I guess it could happen but it sounds unlikely.

gots to have skills to cut clean through webbing and spaggetti, Old Sabes has the moves the edge and the gift of instantaneous healing.

Originally posted by capt it up
actually it is a waste of time. Most often jumping is the worst thing to do in a fight. when your in the air you can not redirect your movements.


also agility means lightness of foot.

I think Spiderman should be able to redirect his movement in the air atleast beast was able to do that, since spiderman is more agile than beast, he should be able to do the same.

Originally posted by capt it up
actually it is a waste of time. Most often jumping is the worst thing to do in a fight. when your in the air you can not redirect your movements.


also agility means lightness of foot. Spiderman isn't a "human" therefore you can't judge him like one, he jumps 50 feet in the air, can stick to walls, and has webbing to redirect his movements.


So you're wrong on both accounts. Agility also has a more indepth meaning than you're saying.

Sabretooth has many advantages, but he is not an amaglam of Spiderman and Wolverine, he doesn't act like one. Actually Carnage would be closer to that. Sabretooth is just a big Wolverine that is tougher. He doesn't hold the strength to break the webbing, but he would be harder to web than Wolverine. Just adding that.

Why can't Sabes just cut the webs?

He can cut some of it, but the web is like a consistent stream, he has nail like claws, it would be really difficult for him to cut all of it... and that's granted that he has the leverage, because he has a big body, and he will have a harder time covering it with his nails than Wolverine would with his long claws.

I'm not saying Spiderman holding the advantages necessary in most aspects, but he does have one in webbing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master

I'm not saying Spiderman holding the advantages necessary in most aspects, but he does have one in webbing.

I dont think it will make that much of a difference, but Spiderman is going to have to keep his distance.

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think it will make that much of a difference, but Spiderman is going to have to keep his distance. Of course, and he most likely won't have a problem with that, unless the environment is against him.

But I made my point and it was clear so I'm not going to defend something I didn't say from someone who might twist it around. (not aimed at you, general statement)

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Of course, and he most likely won't have a problem with that, unless the environment is against him.

But I made my point and it was clear so I'm not going to defend something I didn't say from someone who might twist it around. (not aimed at you)

Ok cool, who do you think wins the majority?

Originally posted by Alfheim
Ok cool, who do you think wins the majority? In most environments where he can't utilize the webbing, Sabes holds the majority. But Spiderman can stalemate and grasp wins in environments that favor his. In other words, if Spiderman can't find a wall to get on or a way to keep distance, he loses, and I would bet my money on Sabes in that case.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
In most environments where he can't utilize the webbing, Sabes holds the majority. But Spiderman can stalemate and grasp wins in environments that favor his. In other words, if Spiderman can't find a wall to get on or a way to keep distance, he loses, and I would bet my money on Sabes in that case.

That seems reasonable in an urban envinronment there are lots of things that Spiderman could sue to his advantage. Sabretooth maybe fast but he is not as fast as Spiderman and does not have the mobility.

Spiderman could eventually find a way to trap him, but to be quite honest with you I think even if Sabretooth was trapped and Spiderman pummeled away at him I dont think it would do anything.

I dont think immobilising somebody is a win on this forum, but it should be.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That seems reasonable in an urban envinronment there are lots of things that Spiderman could sue to his advantage. Sabretooth maybe fast but he is not as fast as Spiderman and does not have the mobility.

Spiderman could eventually find a way to trap him, but to be quite honest with you I think even if Sabretooth was trapped and Spiderman pummeled away at him I dont think it would do anything.

I dont think immobilising somebody is a win on this forum, but it should be.

Blocking airways does work though

Originally posted by Jyppe
Blocking airways does work though

Yeah it would.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Spiderman isn't a "human" therefore you can't judge him like one, he jumps 50 feet in the air, can stick to walls, and has webbing to redirect his movements.


So you're wrong on both accounts. Agility also has a more indepth meaning than you're saying.

Sabretooth has many advantages, but he is not an amaglam of Spiderman and Wolverine, he doesn't act like one. Actually Carnage would be closer to that. Sabretooth is just a big Wolverine that is tougher. He doesn't hold the strength to break the webbing, but he would be harder to web than Wolverine. Just adding that.


spiderman jumps all the time in battle with out using webs to redirect him.

how am I wrong? It a fact that while in air your at the mersy of gravity.

agility is light ness of foot. it your ability to stay balanced as the ability to step lightly. Elfs are a perfect example of agility.

sabertooth is a class 20 he could break the webbing easily. He could also cut it easily.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Blocking airways does work though
ecpt the fact that would not work either. His webbing has shown in the past people can breath while it covering there mouths

Originally posted by capt it up
spiderman jumps all the time in battle with out using webs to redirect him. And he jumps high enough that he can avoid foes.

Originally posted by capt it up
how am I wrong? It a fact that while in air your at the mersy of gravity. But that doesn't matter if you can redirect your momentum, does it?

Originally posted by capt it up
agility is light ness of foot. it your ability to stay balanced as the ability to step lightly. Elfs are a perfect example of agility. Agility is adroitness in movement, two people have proved this, you are only posting one version of agility. It's your overall ability to move well, and it's not just feet. A gymnest has excellent agility even if they flip around from pole to pole without landing. It is the skill and adroitness of movement.

Originally posted by capt it up
sabertooth is a class 20 he could break the webbing easily. He could also cut it easily. Spiderman has had a hard time breaking the webbing, class 20 isn't enough. And sabes isn't class 20. He won't cut it easy without leverage, and his small claws can't cover his entire body.

That webbing has held many foes stronger than that. It has 120 lb per millileter tensile strength.
Originally posted by capt it up
ecpt the fact that would not work either. His webbing has shown in the past people can breath while it covering there mouths Covering someone's mouth and blocking their airways are two different things.

I cover my mouth when I cough and I breathe, you can have your airway clogged by water, so I'm sure webbing can do it. Do you not like Spiderman to have any advantages in these matches? And again I'm not even giving him the majority, I'm speaking truth.

why is this battle still going on. Sabertooth clearly wins this fight. A better fight would be sabertooth vs black tarantula. Why dont people understand that all its going to take is one slice and the fight is over and please dont say that sabertooth isnt going to get it because he will and quite easily: ex...... Spiderman got slice by wolverine, knocked out by silver samurai, beat to death by morlun, stabbed by elektra, slapped around by king pin, beat up by vulture, hit by scorpion, beat up by captain america,, etc.... on this entire list that i have named I can see only one person that can beat or stalemate sabertooth whereas everyone that I have named have beat spiderman up, with there hands. Sabertooth wins this every time and dont use the stupid webbing because weaker have broke thru it and weaker and slower have dodged it.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And he jumps high enough that he can avoid foes.

But that doesn't matter if you can redirect your momentum, does it?

Agility is adroitness in movement, two people have proved this, you are only posting one version of agility. It's your overall ability to move well, and it's not just feet. A gymnest has excellent agility even if they flip around from pole to pole without landing. It is the skill and adroitness of movement.

Spiderman has had a hard time breaking the webbing, class 20 isn't enough. And sabes isn't class 20. He won't cut it easy without leverage, and his small claws can't cover his entire body.

That webbing has held many foes stronger than that. It has 120 lb per millileter tensile strength.
Covering someone's mouth and blocking their airways are two different things.

I cover my mouth when I cough and I breathe, you can have your airway clogged by water, so I'm sure webbing can do it. Do you not like Spiderman to have any advantages in these matches? And again I'm not even giving him the majority, I'm speaking truth.

Answer this question. On spiderman and sabertooth last encounter (when spiderman was aided by punisher) why did spiderman almost die, why was spiderman at sabertooth mercy. This was a pre upgraded sabertooth that almost killed spiderman. Sabertooth with his upgrades would laugh at spiderman effort and would just walk off to find a challenge. Spiderman strength dont mean nothing in this fight, his webbing dont mean nothing in this fight, it didnt even hold morlun who was classified as class 20, his speed dont mean nothing in this fight because sabertooth is just as fast, his spider sense dont mean nothing in this fight (the guy has been hit by the vulture.). Nothing spiderman can do would mean anything.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why can't Sabes just cut the webs?

nothing really.. we've seen black panther cut through a webbing net that spiderman tried to hit him with...

and bp has basically the same types of claws a sabretooth.


not to mention the fact that sabretooth has the brute strength to simply rip apart whatever he's webbed to...

example, the x men put sabretooth in admantium chains so he tore down the walls that they were connected to to break free.

Originally posted by Alfheim
That seems reasonable in an urban envinronment there are lots of things that Spiderman could sue to his advantage. Sabretooth maybe fast but he is not as fast as Spiderman and does not have the mobility.

Spiderman could eventually find a way to trap him, but to be quite honest with you I think even if Sabretooth was trapped and Spiderman pummeled away at him I dont think it would do anything.

I dont think immobilising somebody is a win on this forum, but it should be.

it honestly wouldn't....

again sabretooth's NORMAL skeleton with a limited healing factor was able to compensate for nearly everything ms. marvel dished out at him.
He was able to noncholantly shrugg off rougues attacks...

with an admantium skeleton he's laughed off sasquatch repeatedly punching him in the face...

spiderman couldn't affect wolverine with everything he had, the second time all he got out off wolverine was a "that really hurts" and wolvie stood up right after like nothng happened... he'll be doing ziltch to sabretooth.

Originally posted by jinzin
it honestly wouldn't....

again sabretooth's NORMAL skeleton with a limited healing factor was able to compensate for nearly everything ms. marvel dished out at him.
He was able to noncholantly shrugg off rougues attacks...

with an admantium skeleton he's laughed off sasquatch repeatedly punching him in the face...

spiderman couldn't affect wolverine with everything he had, the second time all he got out off wolverine was a "that really hurts" and wolvie stood up right after like nothng happened... he'll be doing ziltch to sabretooth.

agreed

Enter rabid Wolverine supporter who took my argument, and misconstrued it in the glory of his character. Like I predicted would happen.

Originally posted by carver9
Answer this question. On spiderman and sabertooth last encounter (when spiderman was aided by punisher) why did spiderman almost die, why was spiderman at sabertooth mercy. This was a pre upgraded sabertooth that almost killed spiderman. Sabertooth with his upgrades would laugh at spiderman effort and would just walk off to find a challenge. Spiderman strength dont mean nothing in this fight, his webbing dont mean nothing in this fight, it didnt even hold morlun who was classified as class 20, his speed dont mean nothing in this fight because sabertooth is just as fast, his spider sense dont mean nothing in this fight (the guy has been hit by the vulture.). Nothing spiderman can do would mean anything. Are we playing the featwar game? Spiderman's webbing has held stronger than class 20, and can we go back to where Morlun was classified at only that much? Go and statistically prove to me that Sabes is class 20 since you made that claim on Morlun, go and then prove that 120,000 lb per square meter tensile strength webbing wouldn't be able to support someone when they can't muster the inertia.

And where am I saying he can win the majority? I'm saying the webbing cuts of his inertia then he isn't cutting off anything. All you guys are doing is the "let's play low feats for the opponent" game. Which is kinda silly seeing as Wolverine has been webbed before, so I imagine Sabes could too?

Why wouldn't the Spidersense matter, when it has helped him against speedsters? Is it because you want Spiderman to be a loser that can't hold his own against the Vulture, but then you want Wolverine/Sabretooth to be characters that stand up to the Hulk with no problem?

Featwars are fanboy arguments. And preupgraded Sabretooth got his ass handed to him by characters like DD and Black Cat way back in the day.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Enter rabid Wolverine supporter who took my argument, and misconstrued it in the glory of his character. Like I predicted would happen.

Are we playing the featwar game? Spiderman's webbing has held stronger than class 20, and can we go back to where Morlun was classified at only that much? Go and statistically prove to me that Sabes is class 20 since you made that claim on Morlun, go and then prove that 120,000 lb per square meter tensile strength webbing wouldn't be able to support someone when they can't muster the inertia.

And where am I saying he can win the majority? I'm saying the webbing cuts of his inertia then he isn't cutting off anything. All you guys are doing is the "let's play low feats for the opponent" game. Which is kinda silly seeing as Wolverine has been webbed before, so I imagine Sabes could too?

Why wouldn't the Spidersense matter, when it has helped him against speedsters? Is it because you want Spiderman to be a loser that can't hold his own against the Vulture, but then you want Wolverine/Sabretooth to be characters that stand up to the Hulk with no problem?

Featwars are fanboy arguments. And preupgraded Sabretooth got his ass handed to him by characters like DD and Black Cat way back in the day.

You just dont get it do you. The reason why I brought up spiderman spider sense is because it is a great power, against someone that dont have any kind of speed. Im not trying to low show spiderman but Im tired of people keep bringing up the fact that spiderman can dance around people when he cant. Wolverine has low showing, sabertooth has low showings but all in all, I think that wolverine and sabes can take spiderman.

Now its time for me to go to the reason why I think they would win. Its 1 reason and one reason only, actually 2. Wolverine and sabes are just as fast as spiderman and they would be able to get that fatal swipe, whereas spiderman strength wont do anything to the other 2.

Wolverine has sat there (marvel knights #13) and let an enraged spiderman punch on him all day and didnt show a sign of pain or didnt even bruise.

Wolverine (on a roof top) has also beat the crap out of spiderman easily and could have killed him bu let him go. Now this battle revolves around sabertooth, someone who is wolverine equal but stronger, faster, more deadlier, has all the senses that wolverine has, and can fight just as good as wolverine and you think that spiderman can beat him. Sabertooth is classified as having 15 ton strength thanks to weapon x. He dont even need to pull his claws out, he can go fist to fist with spiderman and still manage to win.

I can safely say that sabertooth fighting ability is almost on par with captain america and cap seem to whip spiderman a**. Like I said before and Im going to say again, pre upgraded sabertooth almost killed spiderman, what makes you think that spiderman has a chance against an upgraded sabertooth. This is how the fight would go, sabertooth sees spiderman, smiles, then stand there and let spiderman punch him in the face and say "you won" and walk off to find wolverine, a better fight.

Originally posted by carver9
You just dont get it do you. The reason why I brought up spiderman spider sense is because it is a great power, against someone that dont have any kind of speed. Im not trying to low show spiderman but Im tired of people keep bringing up the fact that spiderman can dance around people when he cant. Wolverine has low showing, sabertooth has low showings but all in all, I think that wolverine and sabes can take spiderman.

Now its time for me to go to the reason why I think they would win. Its 1 reason and one reason only, actually 2. Wolverine and sabes are just as fast as spiderman and they would be able to get that fatal swipe, whereas spiderman strength wont do anything to the other 2.

Wolverine has sat there (marvel knights #13) and let an enraged spiderman punch on him all day and didnt show a sign of pain or didnt even bruise.

Wolverine (on a roof top) has also beat the crap out of spiderman easily and could have killed him bu let him go. Now this battle revolves around sabertooth, someone who is wolverine equal but stronger, faster, more deadlier, has all the senses that wolverine has, and can fight just as good as wolverine and you think that spiderman can beat him. Sabertooth is classified as having 15 ton strength thanks to weapon x. He dont even need to pull his claws out, he can go fist to fist with spiderman and still manage to win.

I can safely say that sabertooth fighting ability is almost on par with captain america and cap seem to whip spiderman a**. Like I said before and Im going to say again, pre upgraded sabertooth almost killed spiderman, what makes you think that spiderman has a chance against an upgraded sabertooth. This is how the fight would go, sabertooth sees spiderman, smiles, then stand there and let spiderman punch him in the face and say "you won" and walk off to find wolverine, a better fight.

1. Wolverine is not just as fast as Spiderman, nor is Sabretooth. The stronger a muscle is in a body in proportion to its weight, the faster it moves. Sabes is much closer to Spiderman obviously, but definitely not Logan.
2. You want to go by crossovers? And then misinterpret them? Spiderman swatted Wolverine away in a showing against the entire xmen. Spiderman webbed up Wolverine.....

You know what, I'm starting to think this is a tactic done by Wolverine supporters to drag people who are only saying something about Spiderman into a long, boring, featwar. Where we use low showings for Spiderman's speed, but not for their durability/healing.


This is pointless and horribly off topic, Sabretooth isn't as good as a fighter as Captain America either. And NO speed, no you're trying to make Spiderman out to be someone who can't outdodge anyone when he dodges multiple villans while he's not even serious. But I bet if I said Wolverine isn't as fast as you guys made him out to be you would immediately bring bullet-jobbing feats into play wouldn't you?

I bet if I gave Sabretooth or Wolverine precog in a theoretical thread, he'd become godlike in that thread wouldn't he?

But on topic, I'm not arguing him punching Sabretooth, I'm arguing him able to web him, and he is in certain instances capable of doing so. And until someone can come up with a FACTUAL reason and representation of why he can do that, instead of exaggerating his strength and denying it, then I'm not going to waste my time with this thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
1. Wolverine is not just as fast as Spiderman, nor is Sabretooth. The stronger a muscle is in a body in proportion to its weight, the faster it moves. Sabes is much closer to Spiderman obviously, but definitely not Logan.
2. You want to go by crossovers? And then misinterpret them? Spiderman swatted Wolverine away in a showing against the entire xmen. Spiderman webbed up Wolverine.....

You know what, I'm starting to think this is a tactic done by Wolverine supporters to drag people who are only saying something about Spiderman into a long, boring, featwar. Where we use low showings for Spiderman's speed, but not for their durability/healing.


This is pointless and horribly off topic, Sabretooth isn't as good as a fighter as Captain America either. And NO speed, no you're trying to make Spiderman out to be someone who can't outdodge anyone when he dodges multiple villans while he's not even serious. But I bet if I said Wolverine isn't as fast as you guys made him out to be you would immediately bring bullet-jobbing feats into play wouldn't you?

I bet if I gave Sabretooth or Wolverine precog in a theoretical thread, he'd become godlike in that thread wouldn't he?

But on topic, I'm not arguing him punching Sabretooth, I'm arguing him able to web him, and he is in certain instances capable of doing so. And until someone can come up with a FACTUAL reason and representation of why he can do that, instead of exaggerating his strength and denying it, then I'm not going to waste my time with this thread.

Im not saying that youre wrong and Im not saying that youre right. People have there opinions and no matter what I say or what I do, Im not going to change your opinion and I respect that but there havent been any instances in comics that have proven to me that spiderman can beat wolverine or sabertooth. I have witness wolverine beating spiderman but never the opposite. Also batman has tossed and kicked hulk in the stomach, hes also tossed superman to the side but does that mean that he can beat either. So why bring up spiderman tossing wolverine to the side, who hasnt tossed wolverine to the side, he aint nothing but 5'3 and weight 300 lbs, its not hard, a deer did it. Does that mean that everybody can beat him, no. The point that Im trying to make is that when spiderman fight fighters he do a terrible job. Ex... elektra beat him, Silver samarai beat him, captain america beat him, daredevil beat him, even king pin beat him, low level fighters like king pin even beat him. The reason why these people beat him is because even though spiderman has a spidersense they are tactical fighters and they finds ways of over coming obsticles. If you gave wolverine or sabertooth a spider sense, no I wouldnt think that they were a god, they dont need it, they have enhanced senses of there own. Also in the marvel directory it states that sabertooth has mastered multiples of unarmed combat. His fighting experience is at 6 while caps is at 7, that seems pretty close to me. Do you want to know where king pin fighting experience is at, its at 3 and he beat spiderman up physically. Do you want to know where kraven fighting experience is at, its at 4 and he beat spiderman up physically. Do you want to know where vultures is at, its at 1, which means that he dont have any training under his belt and he land licks off of spiderman. Do you get what Im trying to tell you, sabertooth has more than a chance of getting to spiderman and doing what he want to him but thats all it would take is a good swipe and the fight is over. Sabertooth has dodge bullets, punches, laser beams, cyclops optic blast, and this is pre upgraded sabes, so why couldnt he dodge spiderman webbing. I might need to find a partner for spiderman in this fight, maybe he'll win then. Cant think of noone yet but I'll find someone that could assist him.

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Does Sabretooth still have an adamantium skeleton & claws?

Originally posted by Scoobless
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Does Sabretooth still have an adamantium skeleton & claws?

As far as I'm aware, yes he does.

Originally posted by Scoobless
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Does Sabretooth still have an adamantium skeleton & claws?

yep

Originally posted by carver9
Im not saying that youre wrong and Im not saying that youre right. People have there opinions and no matter what I say or what I do, Im not going to change your opinion and I respect that but there havent been any instances in comics that have proven to me that spiderman can beat wolverine or sabertooth. I have witness wolverine beating spiderman but never the opposite. Also batman has tossed and kicked hulk in the stomach, hes also tossed superman to the side but does that mean that he can beat either. So why bring up spiderman tossing wolverine to the side, who hasnt tossed wolverine to the side, he aint nothing but 5'3 and weight 300 lbs, its not hard, a deer did it. Does that mean that everybody can beat him, no. The point that Im trying to make is that when spiderman fight fighters he do a terrible job. Ex... elektra beat him, Silver samarai beat him, captain america beat him, daredevil beat him, even king pin beat him, low level fighters like king pin even beat him. The reason why these people beat him is because even though spiderman has a spidersense they are tactical fighters and they finds ways of over coming obsticles. If you gave wolverine or sabertooth a spider sense, no I wouldnt think that they were a god, they dont need it, they have enhanced senses of there own. Also in the marvel directory it states that sabertooth has mastered multiples of unarmed combat. His fighting experience is at 6 while caps is at 7, that seems pretty close to me. Do you want to know where king pin fighting experience is at, its at 3 and he beat spiderman up physically. Do you want to know where kraven fighting experience is at, its at 4 and he beat spiderman up physically. Do you want to know where vultures is at, its at 1, which means that he dont have any training under his belt and he land licks off of spiderman. Do you get what Im trying to tell you, sabertooth has more than a chance of getting to spiderman and doing what he want to him but thats all it would take is a good swipe and the fight is over. Sabertooth has dodge bullets, punches, laser beams, cyclops optic blast, and this is pre upgraded sabes, so why couldnt he dodge spiderman webbing. I might need to find a partner for spiderman in this fight, maybe he'll win then. Cant think of noone yet but I'll find someone that could assist him. That is one block.

I agree that I won't force you to change your mind and etc etc. I don't think any of the guys are pushovers or anything.

Fighting experience? Spiderman has fought for a long time, and he also has intelligence and other things.

But I'll just leave it at this, does anyone have any statistical proof of Sabes at 20 tons? I remember it at 15.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That is one block.

I agree that I won't force you to change your mind and etc etc. I don't think any of the guys are pushovers or anything.

Fighting experience? Spiderman has fought for a long time, and he also has intelligence and other things.

But I'll just leave it at this, does anyone have any statistical proof of Sabes at 20 tons? I remember it at 15.

Hes not at 20 tons, hes at 15.

By the way, whats up c master, I just recognize who you are, you changed your picture. Im use to seeing, Im guessing that was you on your profile. I forgot to come to your web site, I still have the email you sent me, I'll try to go on there 2day.

Originally posted by carver9
By the way, whats up c master, I just recognize who you are, you changed your picture. Im use to seeing, Im guessing that was you on your profile. I forgot to come to your web site, I still have the email you sent me, I'll try to go on there 2day. lol, I get that alot. What's up man?

I'll be glad to have you there of course.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Enter rabid Wolverine supporter who took my argument, and misconstrued it in the glory of his character. Like I predicted would happen.

Are we playing the featwar game? Spiderman's webbing has held stronger than class 20, and can we go back to where Morlun was classified at only that much? Go and statistically prove to me that Sabes is class 20 since you made that claim on Morlun

just a question here: but, what do you mean by statistically prove?
is the fact that sabretooth and spiderman are on the same statistical strength level on the marvel power chart the proof you're asking for here?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
And preupgraded Sabretooth got his ass handed to him by characters like DD and Black Cat way back in the day.

just thought I'd point out:
dd didn't hand sabretooth his ass.. it ended with sabretooth going nuts and running amok through the tunnels with DD too injured to follow.
and black cat had newfound superpowers rivaling spiderman's so it was well within her ability to put down creed who didn't even have a healing factor written into his character yet.

This is funny.

Sabretooth fast???

Spider-man is far faster and more agile that the likes of Sabretooth who struggles to keep up with Wolverine in most fights. Spiderman if he wanted could get minimum 2-3 clean strikes in before Sabretooth could counter...and Spidey would know when each of Sabretooth's hits are coming, and where they are coming from beforehand.

With his speed advantage he could give Sabretooth a solid beatdown for hours. And thats without making good use of webbing.

Sabretooth is traditionally shown equal to or in many cases slower than Wolverine during their fights (Check any of them out).....and everyone knows Wolverine is weighted down by an adamantium skeleton, and has no mutant speed enhancments!!!!

There is no way in hell he is even close to Spidermans movement range.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
This is funny.

Sabretooth fast???

Spider-man is far faster and more agile that the likes of Sabretooth who struggles to keep up with Wolverine in most fights. Spiderman if he wanted could get minimum 2-3 clean strikes in before Sabretooth could counter...and Spidey would know when each of Sabretooth's hits are coming, and where they are coming from beforehand.

With his speed advantage he could give Sabretooth a solid beatdown for hours. And thats without making good use of webbing.

Sabretooth is traditionally shown equal to or in many cases slower than Wolverine during their fights (Check any of them out).....and everyone knows Wolverine is weighted down by an adamantium skeleton, and has no mutant speed enhancments!!!!

There is no way in hell he is even close to Spidermans movement range.




You have no idea what you are talking about. Im going to ignore you. You said that wolverine nor sabertooth has the speed to keep up with spiderman but captain america, kraven, kingpin, hulk, scorpion, elektra, daredevil, rhino, etc... has kept up and some have beaten him. You dont nothing of wolverine or sabertooth to even be on this forum voting against them. Wolverine has tagged speed demon, quicksilver, storm while flying at top speed etc..... and i consider all of them faster than spiderman.

Answer this question for me whos faster out of the three, wolverine, king pin, or vulture.

Originally posted by carver9


You have no idea what you are talking about. Im going to ignore you. You said that wolverine nor sabertooth has the speed to keep up with spiderman but captain america, kraven, kingpin, hulk, scorpion, elektra, daredevil, rhino, etc... has kept up and some have beaten him. You dont nothing of wolverine or sabertooth to even be on this forum voting against them. Wolverine has tagged speed demon, quicksilver, storm while flying at top speed etc..... and i consider all of them faster than spiderman.

Answer this question for me whos faster out of the three, wolverine, king pin, or vulture.

"Im going to ignore you."

And yet...you kept going. Interesting.

Originally posted by carver9


You have no idea what you are talking about. Im going to ignore you. You said that wolverine nor sabertooth has the speed to keep up with spiderman but captain america, kraven, kingpin, hulk, scorpion, elektra, daredevil, rhino, etc... has kept up and some have beaten him. You dont nothing of wolverine or sabertooth to even be on this forum voting against them. Wolverine has tagged speed demon, quicksilver, storm while flying at top speed etc..... and i consider all of them faster than spiderman.

Answer this question for me whos faster out of the three, wolverine, king pin, or vulture.


right - feel free to ignore my statements all you want. I said and I re-iterate...Sabretooth is generally not shown to be much faster than Wolverine in fights...if at ALL...and many times portrayed to be the slower but stronger of the two. If you doubt this check it out yourself.

Wolverine is NOT fast in comparison to Spidey. Who has Spidersense on top of a speed advantage.

He has an ADAMANTIUM-laced Skeleton for gods sakes.

Vulture has the best Agility of those 3 u mentioned, Kingpin having the least.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Vulture has the best Agility of those 3 u mentioned, Kingpin having the least.





vulture has the best agility. You do know that vulture is a old man.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
"Im going to ignore you."

And yet...you kept going. Interesting.

This post wasnt for you, sorry for the confusion. SOMETIMES you do know what you are talking about.

Originally posted by carver9


vulture has the best agility. You do know that vulture is a old man.


no sh** sherlock.

However you do know Vulture can propell himself far faster than the likes of Wolverine can move right...

You dont consider this on par or even close to spidey. Go read some more wolverine comics.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/xmen_v2_133_p03.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v700/dprfla/xmen_v2_133_p04.jpg

Do you see how far wolverine was away from him and he got there in the blink of a eye. HMMMMMMMMM makes you wonder.

ok, put it this way, do you think Wolverine has super speed as one of his mutant abilities?

Originally posted by horrorwolf
no sh** sherlock.

However you do know Vulture can propell himself far faster than the likes of Wolverine can move right...

You do know that flight and agility is two different things. I agree with you vulture can out fly wolverine since wolverine cant fly.

Originally posted by carver9
You do know that flight and agility is two different things. I agree with you vulture can out fly wolverine since wolverine cant fly.



its just that Vulture generally propells himself in his suit at a moments notice at speeds faster than wolverine can move.

Yes, that would count as agility.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
ok, put it this way, do you think Wolverine has super speed as one of his mutant abilities?

I think that he do have speed that came along with his powers but not super speed. Spiderman dont even have super speed, he have super human speed. Since the enhancement that weapon x gave to wolverine, I do think that he has speed under his belt, he has done to many speed blitz to not have any speed. Colossus even have superhuman speed.

Originally posted by carver9
I think that he do have speed that came along with his powers but not super speed. Spiderman dont even have super speed, he have super human speed. Since the enhancement that weapon x gave to wolverine, I do think that he has speed under his belt, he has done to many speed blitz to not have any speed. Colossus even have superhuman speed.



Weapon X gave Wolverine no Super speed abilities. He is considered slightly above peak human...but was laced with Adamantium....now....without it(the laced skeleton), he would be faster, but still not in spiderman league in either running speed or agility.

replay of what is going to happen to spiderman but it will be sabertooth on the other end.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8336167

Here is spiderman speed display, lets all take a look.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735842
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735846
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3735849

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=4098413

Uh, Spidey wasn't even trying there or even serious, as it says he thought Wolverine was a normal human in abilities.

Here are more accurate displays of Spider-mans speed and agility...

Spidey dodging a bullet.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6506479

Dodging blasts from Iron Man (Wolverine present and stunned):
http://img526.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dodge2rz5.jpg

Reed Richards astonished by how fast Spider-man is. (never heard such a comment about Wolverine.)
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=8447506

Lastly:
Spidey moving faster than a bunch of people (WOLVERINE included)
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6906/bio0058en.jpg

horrorwolf.. When I get back to a computer you're in for one hell of an assripping.. you DON'T EVEN KNOW!


MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

you my friend have just incurred jinzin's wrath.

lol WHAT? you too jinzin???

Another Wolvie fanboy who would like Wolverine (Wearing Adamantium no doubt) to be faster and more agile than Spiderman?!?....


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Originally posted by horrorwolf
lol WHAT? you too jinzin???

Another Wolvie fanboy who would like Wolverine (Wearing Adamantium no doubt) to be faster and more agile than Spiderman?!?....


clapping

I dont think he does but he thinks Wolverine can give Spiderman hell.

Sure - well thats definitely debatable. But that wasn't my argument.

...The point that was being made was that Spidey is the same speed as Wolverine.

Originally posted by horrorwolf

...But the point was being made was that Spidey is the same speed as Wolverine.



....dont know about that......

exactly - thats just plain funny in itself.

turned

Originally posted by Alfheim
I dont think he does but he thinks Wolverine can give Spiderman hell.

And guess who agrees with him?

Well, pretty much EVERYONE who is
A) Sensible

and

B) Not riding the Wolverine backlash.

Originally posted by Soljer
And guess who agrees with him?

Well, pretty much EVERYONE who is
A) Sensible

and

B) Not riding the Wolverine backlash.

glare fanboyish assumptions aside, I love wolvie but he doesn't take down Spidey unless he is exhausted and/or unless his spider-sense malfunctions big time, and he has no webbing.