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They fight on the moon.
No prep.

Who wins?

Apoc . . .

BB needs air so Apoc will just stay out of the way for a moment and let BB die.

BB

Bran, we both know this fight has already happened...and on the moon as well.

And Black Bolt couldn't effect Classic Apoc.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Apoc . . .

BB needs air so Apoc will just stay out of the way for a moment and let BB die. Umm... Attilian is on the Moon...
He has also appeared on the surface of the Moon many times...

Originally posted by Evil_Ash


Bran, we both know this fight has already happened...and on the moon as well. I know, but I call pis on that fight.
So...

Originally posted by bigbran
Umm... Attilian is on the Moon...
He has also appeared on the surface of the Moon many times...

Oh . . . so he doesn't need air?

Then he should win this.

....i go with The Silent king.....

You're trying to insult me. or Apocalypse. Either way, he wins this hands down.

Jonn pwns Apoc.....

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Jonn pwns Apoc.....

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
You're trying to insult me. or Apocalypse. Either way, he wins this hands down. are you talking about?

I have nothing against you, or Apoc. Just trying to see what would actually happen...

And how does he win?

First off, Apoc is not more durible than Surfer (unless he starts to take planet destroying attacks, go through suns, go through asteroids, take planets destroying around him to no effect)!
So, when you bring up that scan, know that it is VERY questionable!

Now you're being facetious. Alright, I'll easily give that he's not in Surfer's league of durability. But he's more than durable enough to take BB's scream.

What?the scream can pwn Thor,Hulk,Gladiator and just about everyone else......but not Apoc?


Where has this fallacy that all BB has going for him is the Scream,he was slugging it out with Thor and lost due to a plot device,Pwned Sphinx,slugged it with Hulk and was slugging it with Gladiator,He can still take a shitload of marvel heroes without the scream you know.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Now you're being facetious. Alright, I'll easily give that he's not in Surfer's league of durability. But he's more than durable enough to take BB's scream.

you should also be aware that certain areas of the moon (attilan, and where the watcher is, I think it's called the "blue" area of the moon) do have an atmosphere.

Black bolt still needs Air. Apoc could wreck the environment or BFR blackbolt and simply kill him.



I thought black bolt was only around class 75? Apocalypse's strength is variable- he can amp it to "unknown" levels. if it came to a slugfest, BB would be in a lot of trouble here. The "scream" is his best chance at a win.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Now you're being facetious. Alright, I'll easily give that he's not in Surfer's league of durability. But he's more than durable enough to take BB's scream. You know, it's funny... Surfer was put on his ass, under rocks from a word...

http://img138.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=676f0_midsun1.jpg

http://img136.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=d2db6_midsun2.jpg

http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=7885d_midsun3.jpg

Originally posted by Space M ummy
you should also be aware that certain areas of the moon (attilan, and where the watcher is, I think it's called the "blue" area of the moon) do have an atmosphere.

Black bolt still needs Air. Apoc could wreck the environment or BFR blackbolt and simply kill him.

I think the Maker would have the intelligence to have an atmos......Oh Bigbran made this,never mind


Originally posted by Space M ummy

I thought black bolt was only around class 75? Apocalypse's strength is variable- he can amp it to "unknown" levels. if it came to a slugfest, BB would be in a lot of trouble here. The "scream" is his best chance at a win.

At his base level he's class 75,but he can amp himself up with energy he absorbs.If it comes to a Slugfest Apoc is the one in trouble....classic Sphinx was A beast.

Too......damn.......small! >_< And that looks more to be a low showing for Surfer. Surfer has survived suns exploding, asteroids, blasts from other heralds, and of course, Thanos (although he was in sorry shape after Thanos....). I don't see BB's scream as being more powerful than those things. Apoc is probably using his molecular control to negate the damage from BB's scream, which may be why he does so well against it.

Originally posted by bigbran
You know, it's funny... Surfer was put on his ass, under rocks from a word...

http://img138.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=676f0_midsun1.jpg

http://img136.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=d2db6_midsun2.jpg

http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=7885d_midsun3.jpg

Surfer's also been KO'ed by Thor, The Thing, Thanos multiple times, and a Brick. (ok ok, the brick is PIS)

he's not always shown to be hyper-durable. I recall one scan where he was taking shots from an enraged hulk without blinking, and others where he gets KTFO by hulk. didn't hulk almost just kill him recently?

The thing about (classic) apocalypse is his stats aren't fixed and he has the ability to amp them just like surfer does.

He stood up to it once......and in recent years got blown away......I know it was House of M...but i've seen people use the heroes reborn Apoc holding Hulk all to often.

http://img132.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blackboltfeat16gt.gif

Originally posted by Martian_mind
He stood up to it once......and in recent years got blown away......I know it was House of M...but i've seen people use the heroes reborn Apoc holding Hulk all to often.

House of M is alternate reality with a wanda created apocalypse. (original apoc had been killed, and was resurrected by cable AFTER house of M) That's why that showing doesn't count. Heroes reborn doesn't count for the same reason.

What DOES count is apocalypse restraining Hulk prior to re-creating him as war hulk. it wasn't for very long, but Hulk had to ASK to be let go. How often does an angry hulk have to ASK anything?

....BB has slugged it out with Hulk with little to no siggns of injury or harm,energy blasts are useless as BB has cancelled out an enhanced Solar flare before,Apocalypse can't beat him by suffocation as BB has manipulated/thinned/controlled Atmosphere's before and his scream has affected peolpe much more durable then Apoc.So no,that Hulk restraint doesn't matter in the slightest.

Marveldatabase.com says BB's normal level is around 1ton, 60 with amping.

http://marveldatabase.com/Black_Bolt

Now, I don't know how accurate that is. But I am damn sure BB is not on Apoc's level of strength, even at Apoc's base.

Originally posted by bigbran
You know, it's funny... Surfer was put on his ass, under rocks from a word...

http://img138.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=676f0_midsun1.jpg

http://img136.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=d2db6_midsun2.jpg

http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=7885d_midsun3.jpg

Is this what you were talking about in the other thread?

There's nothing in these scans that indicates Surfer's durability couldn't stand up to BB.

All I'm seeing is Surfer getting trapped for a seconds beneath a bunch of rocks, and then gets up.

http://img136.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-30713/loc24/d2db6_midsun2.jpg

http://img132.imagevenue.com/aAfkjfp01fo1i-12559/loc24/7885d_midsun3.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Marveldatabase.com says BB's normal level is around 1ton, 60 with amping.

http://marveldatabase.com/Black_Bolt

Now, I don't know how accurate that is. But I am damn sure BB is not on Apoc's level of strength, even at Apoc's base.

Use a bio again and i swear i'll make a Jonn Vs Apoc thread.


Plus maybe you should take a look at BB's respect thread....It's not BB who's strength is in question...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Too......damn.......small! >_< And that looks more to be a low showing for Surfer. Surfer has survived suns exploding, asteroids, blasts from other heralds, and of course, Thanos (although he was in sorry shape after Thanos....). I don't see BB's scream as being more powerful than those things. Apoc is probably using his molecular control to negate the damage from BB's scream, which may be why he does so well against it. Fixed...

I know, and the word burried him. As it has been shown to hurt almost everyone it has hit ('cept about one occasion, that everyone is so fond of).
His voice has been stated (hasn't really let us down either) to be able to destroy a planet.

Oh ya, he has also stalemated Maelstrom...


Umm... he was dead after Thanos... well, he did have an once of life left, because Thanos let him live...

Also... he can protect others in space:
http://img103.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=0d19d_protectt.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
Fixed...

I know, and the word burried him. As it has been shown to hurt almost everyone it has hit ('cept about one occasion, that everyone is so fond of).
His voice has been stated (hasn't really let us down either) to be able to destroy a planet.

Oh ya, he has also stalemated Maelstrom...


Umm... he was dead after Thanos... well, he did have an once of life left, because Thanos let him live...

Also... he can protect others in space:
http://img103.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=0d19d_protectt.jpg

am I the only one getting pictures of hot girls from that link? not that I'm complaining...

Originally posted by Space M ummy
Surfer's also been KO'ed by Thor, The Thing, Thanos multiple times, and a Brick. (ok ok, the brick is PIS)

he's not always shown to be hyper-durable. I recall one scan where he was taking shots from an enraged hulk without blinking, and others where he gets KTFO by hulk. didn't hulk almost just kill him recently?

The thing about (classic) apocalypse is his stats aren't fixed and he has the ability to amp them just like surfer does. He was KOed by the pis enhanced WM Thor... the same one that beat the whole Infinity Watch, and Dr Strange at the same time? Ya...

Thing... wasn't that like in his first appearance, and Thing was one of the strongest in the Universe at those times?

Thanos... now why would you even bring that up? He's Thanos! I fail to see how he is even instituted into this thread...

Umm... he was cut off by his source of power (Power Cosmic), and he was owning the hell out of Hulk (and all his buddies), until Hulk broke his mind control tab, and then cheapshotted him, when Surfer was thanking him... from behind, I might add, and had to beat on him repeatidly...

So... Apoc can reach Surfer status?

Originally posted by bigbran
So... Apoc can reach Surfer status?

Just because Classic Apocalypse shows an impressive degree of durability, it does not make him on Silver Surfer status.

Apoc would have needed to perform feats equal to Surfer, then he would have been on his level.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
he's more than durable enough to take BB's scream.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
You know, it's funny... Surfer was put on his ass, under rocks from a word...

http://img138.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=676f0_midsun1.jpg

http://img136.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=d2db6_midsun2.jpg

http://img132.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=7885d_midsun3.jpg
He didn't look hurt at all. Just buried under the rocks. So that really doesn't prove much.

apoc has taken BB's scream from what ive read and he didnt really care.