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How this goes?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How this goes?

Is this Morningstar

Originally posted by guy222
Is this Morningstar

Yes

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Yes

Thanos has the Heart of the Infinite

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How this goes?

Sidious likes Lucifer/Mike

Thanos says: No more Vertigo ...
And it would never've been any Vertigo ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thanos says: No more Vertigo ...
And it would never've been any Vertigo ...

Vertigo is a mega verse all by itself. As even the universe of Lucifer was a multiverse in itself. and each vertigo story is a seperate universe sometimes multiverse. Thanos with the heart never erased a multiverse let a lone a mega verse.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Thanos says: No more Vertigo ...
And it would never've been any Vertigo ...

Thanos wins

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Vertigo is a mega verse all by itself. As even the universe of Lucifer was a multiverse in itself. and each vertigo story is a seperate universe sometimes multiverse. Thanos with the heart never erased a multiverse let a lone a mega verse.

Can I ask u, how powerful are Lucifer/Michael?

Originally posted by guy222
Can I ask u, how powerful are Lucifer/Michael?
In truth: Powerful enough to create one universe together.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
In truth: Powerful enough to create one universe together.

My friend, Thanos with the Heart, did he 'kill' abstracts. Or was it Mbodies.

Originally posted by guy222
Can I ask u, how powerful are Lucifer/Michael?

More powerful then some on here think .

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
In truth: Powerful enough to create one universe together.

You are so silly it's funny. How many times have we went over this. When Elaine had Michael's power, she was able to replace yeweh and completely rebuild the Vertigo mega verse from scratch. Lucifer is smarter than everyone, This match isn't what ur making it. Especially since thanos only absorbed and reset one universe with the heart of the u.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You are so silly it's funny. How many times have we went over this. When Elaine had Michael's power, she was able to replace yeweh and completely rebuild the Vertigo mega verse from scratch. Lucifer is smarter than everyone, This match isn't what ur making it. Especially since thanos only absorbed and reset one universe with the heart of the u.
When was it stated that Vertigo was a Megaverse, scan please.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
When was it stated that Vertigo was a Megaverse, scan please.

IT doesn't have to state it. Take that bullshit somewhere else. IF u actually picked up vertigo books you would realize each and every single story is an entire seperate reality. SOmetimes, they are multiple realities within that one story. For instance Lucifer. This makes vertigo by definition, a mega verse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
IT doesn't have to state it. Take that bullshit somewhere else. IF u actually picked up vertigo books you would realize each and every single story is an entire seperate reality. SOmetimes, they are multiple realities within that one story. For instance Lucifer. This makes vertigo by definition, a mega verse. Lucifer comics only has 3 unverses...

God's, Elaine's, and Lucifer's.

Plus, Micheal's death and rebirth will create a universe.
Lucifer has shown this.

Plus, what does creating something have to do with this.

Lucifer and Micheal are both over Spectre... how far? I don't know.

Originally posted by bigbran
Lucifer comics only has 3 unverses...

God's, Elaine's, and Lucifer's.

Isn't 3 multiple?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Isn't 3 multiple? Yes, but how does this equal a mega verse?

Originally posted by bigbran
Yes, but how does this equal a mega verse?

Becuz each vertigo story is it's own reality. And each can infinitely become more and more realities. Just becuz it's not implicidly shown or stated doesn't mean much. THe Spectre is multiversal in power whether he's in DC or vertigo and he was less than Elaine or Lucifer. Which means the power is there to build more if they want, or there is more and it wasn't revealved.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Becuz each vertigo story is it's own reality. And each can infinitely become more and more realities. Just becuz it's not implicidly shown or stated doesn't mean much. THe Spectre is multiversal in power whether he's in DC or vertigo and he was less than Elaine or Lucifer. Which means the power is there to build more if they want, or there is more and it wasn't revealved. It is three universes, that revolve around Lucifer's series...

Also, can you tell me what issue that Spectre appeared in Lucifer's series, because I have them all, and I am still looking for an appearance of some sort...

Also, "mega verse", makes it sound like more than it is...

Also, as you can see, I don't care about multiversal/omniversal/universal... I care about the power they show.
If they are universal, and their power outmatches an omniversal being, then that is their power.

Originally posted by bigbran
It is three universes, that revolve around Lucifer's series...

Also, can you tell me what issue that Spectre appeared in Lucifer's series, because I have them all, and I am still looking for an appearance of some sort...

Also, "mega verse", makes it sound like more than it is...

Also, as you can see, I don't care about multiversal/omniversal/universal... I care about the power they show.
If they are universal, and their power outmatches an omniversal being, then that is their power.

NO, Vertigo is not 3 universes that revolve around the lucifer series. Vertigo is bound by the imprint but each story is a completely seperate reality unless linked explicitly to another story or some established hierachy set in another book. I dont' know what issue spectre appeared in lucifer. I have only gotten to read it in scans as I never knew about the series until it was too late to buy.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, Vertigo is not 3 universes that revolve around the lucifer series. Vertigo is bound by the imprint but each story is a completely seperate reality unless linked explicitly to another story or some established hierachy set in another book. I dont' know what issue spectre appeared in lucifer. I have only gotten to read it in scans as I never knew about the series until it was too late to buy. The Lucifer series is though. I didn't say anything to my knowledge about Vertigo.
It actually revolves around only two, then Lucifer kills Micheal, and the power goes into Elaine, and she makes a universe.

To my knowledge... Lucifer's series only recognizes two (three) universes.

Originally posted by bigbran
The Lucifer series is though. I didn't say anything to my knowledge about Vertigo.
It actually revolves around only two, then Lucifer kills Micheal, and the power goes into Elaine, and she makes a universe.

To my knowledge... Lucifer's series only recognizes two (three) universes.

I wasn't refering to lucifer any more than saying it was multiple. My reference to Vertigo was that it was indeed a mega verse becuz every story is a seperate reality. They aren't the alter realities that make up the multiverse like infinite earths DC or the whate if's marvel. But actual whole and entire different existances. I'm goign to bed now tho. nite.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I wasn't refering to lucifer any more than saying it was multiple. My reference to Vertigo was that it was indeed a mega verse becuz every story is a seperate reality. They aren't the alter realities that make up the multiverse like infinite earths DC or the whate if's marvel. But actual whole and entire different existances. I'm goign to bed now tho. nite. So... what does Vertigo have to do with Lucifer and Micheal?

OK...

Originally posted by bigbran
So... what does Vertigo have to do with Lucifer and Micheal?

OK...
Nothing really, it's called bias.
To say that someone is more powerful than Spectre is like saying that somone is more powerful than Galactus because their power varies.
Spectre merged with the Source would turn Michael and Lucifer into toiletpaper.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Nothing really, it's called bias.
To say that someone is more powerful than Spectre is like saying that somone is more powerful than Galactus because their power varies.
Spectre merged with the Source would turn Michael and Lucifer into toiletpaper. Lucifer doesn't care about the Source...
The Source wouldn't even say anything to him... just looked at him.

Also, so any feat where Spectre loses is not usable?

Plus, Galactus actually has somewhat of an indication of his power level, Spectre...

We all know that Lucifer with Michael's power duplicated the creation.
In other words, all that Yahweh have done Lucifer was going to do.
So what exactly did he do?

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7913/lucivd1.png

A universe, he duplicated the creation, he made a universe.
Which would mean that before that happend, Vertigo was only one universe, now Lucifer expanded it to two universes,
Elaine later made a 3rd.

Vertigo is therefore 3 universes, nothing more.

So don't come with the crap that Vertigo is a Multiverse with an infinite amount of universes, or even worse a Megaverse.

Until Lucifer exits his reality, and you see that it's infinitely overlapped. Like a multiverse.
And then he sees a sea of others rising and falling in moments as he talks to Yahweh.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
We all know that Lucifer with Michael's power duplicated the creation.
In other words, all that Yahweh have done Lucifer was going to do.
So what exactly did he do?

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7913/lucivd1.png

A universe, he duplicated the creation, he made a universe.
Which would mean that before that happend, Vertigo was only one universe, now Lucifer expanded it to two universes,
Elaine later made a 3rd.

Vertigo is therefore 3 universes, nothing more.

So don't come with the crap that Vertigo is a Multiverse with an infinite amount of universes, or even worse a Megaverse.

YOu are such a tard. Vertigo is NOT I repeat not just the lucifer series. How many times do I have to explain that. Damn. Each story is not part of the lucifer multiverse. ANd lucifer saw the infinite overlapping verses. Go figure for you not knowing what ur talking about.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
We all know that Lucifer with Michael's power duplicated the creation.
In other words, all that Yahweh have done Lucifer was going to do.
So what exactly did he do?

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7913/lucivd1.png

A universe, he duplicated the creation, he made a universe.
Which would mean that before that happend, Vertigo was only one universe, now Lucifer expanded it to two universes,
Elaine later made a 3rd.

Vertigo is therefore 3 universes, nothing more.

So don't come with the crap that Vertigo is a Multiverse with an infinite amount of universes, or even worse a Megaverse.

Vertigos 3 Universes are equal to the Marvel Omniverse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
ANd lucifer saw the infinite overlapping verses.
Yes... That's what we call a Multiverse...

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
NO, Vertigo is not 3 universes that revolve around the lucifer series. Vertigo is bound by the imprint but each story is a completely seperate reality unless linked explicitly to another story or some established hierachy set in another book. I dont' know what issue spectre appeared in lucifer. I have only gotten to read it in scans as I never knew about the series until it was too late to buy.

the spectre never appears in Lucifer 1-75, or the two minis, Lucifer-Nirvana, or The Morningstar Option.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Thanos with the heart never erased a multiverse let a lone a mega verse.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
it. Especially since thanos only absorbed and reset one universe with the heart of the u.



This Bio site is Officially APPROVED by Marvel,

www.marvunapp.com


Marvel even directs Official Handbook readers to it,

for extra information and even corrections can be found to Handbook Errors.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7764/allnewohotmuaz0102jp2.th.jpg
(from the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1695/allnewohotmuaz0103gd8.th.jpg



READ!!!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ... but he also Obliterated the Multiverse in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the Multiverse bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"



swank

Originally posted by tjcoady
the spectre never appears in Lucifer 1-75, or the two minis, Lucifer-Nirvana, or The Morningstar Option.

Hence why I didn't know an issue number. I only know pieces of lucifer from scans posted around the net.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This Bio site is Officially APPROVED by Marvel,

www.marvunapp.com


Marvel even directs Official Handbook readers to it,

for extra information and even corrections can be found to Handbook Errors.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7764/allnewohotmuaz0102jp2.th.jpg
(from the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1695/allnewohotmuaz0103gd8.th.jpg



READ!!!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ... but he also Obliterated the Multiverse in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the Multiverse bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"



swank

I'm going with what the comics says until this retcon is issued in another comic. that is how this forum works isn't it?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I'm going with what the comics says until this retcon is issued in another comic. that is how this forum works isn't it?

On Panel Thanos Absorbed the Multiverse, and this was certified in the Official Marvel Bio.


I always knew he did, from the first time I read the End.





Right here:



Thanos absorbs LT - Eternity/Infinity - Cosmics - All the Celestials .... on and on ...
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1825/teb9.th.jpg


And Thanos never stopped
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4388/t2gw1.th.jpg



Read


"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me... might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4746/t6bi7.th.jpg
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"



"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2830/t7fq0.th.jpg



"Nothing Remained"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/991/allhecouldum7.th.jpg



SO,

(AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal - Eternity/Infinity - the ENTIRE Race of Celestials - all the Cosmics - Heroes and even some Villains of this "One Universe"



REMEMBER THESE QUESTIONS?



WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?


In this "Single Universe?"


dontgetit

Originally posted by Mr Master

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?


In this "Single Universe?"


dontgetit

Hitler'sGun

AuntMay

Thanos . . .

I think I liked it better when you argued on scans alone....

Originally posted by Mr Master
On Panel Thanos Absorbed the Multiverse, and this was certified in the Official Marvel Bio.


I always knew he did, from the first time I read the End.





Right here:



Thanos absorbs LT - Eternity/Infinity - Cosmics - All the Celestials .... on and on ...
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1825/teb9.th.jpg


And Thanos never stopped
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4388/t2gw1.th.jpg



Read


"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me... might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4746/t6bi7.th.jpg
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"



"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2830/t7fq0.th.jpg



"Nothing Remained"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/991/allhecouldum7.th.jpg



SO,

(AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal - Eternity/Infinity - the ENTIRE Race of Celestials - all the Cosmics - Heroes and even some Villains of this "One Universe"



REMEMBER THESE QUESTIONS?



WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?


In this "Single Universe?"


dontgetit

That is all speculative in ur own opinion. the book said universe about 20 times, I"m sticking with that until another comic comes out and retcons that.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I think I liked it better when you argued on scans alone....

I like myself now better, who STILL Proves his case On Panel,

and then CERTIFIES it with the Official Bio.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
That is all speculative in ur own opinion. the book said universe about 20 times, I"m sticking with that until another comic comes out and retcons that.

I expect nothing less from you homie,

you make empty claims with absolutely NO proof.

Yet, you have the audacity to dismiss On Panel evidence

and an Official Marvel Bio that corresponds with the On Panel events.

For the Record!



This Bio site is Officially APPROVED by Marvel,

www.marvunapp.com


Marvel even directs Official Handbook readers to it,

for extra information and even corrections can be found to Handbook Errors.

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7764/allnewohotmuaz0102jp2.th.jpg
(from the Official Marvel Universe Handbook 2006)

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1695/allnewohotmuaz0103gd8.th.jpg



READ!!!

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm#Heart

"Thanos foiled efforts to stop his plan by Eternity, the Living Tribunal etc ... but he also Obliterated the Multiverse in the process"

"Thanos did so, using the Heart's power to Re-Create the Multiverse bereft of the flaw that would have destroyed it"



swank

On Panel verification!



On Panel Thanos Absorbed the Multiverse, and this was certified in the Official Marvel Bio.


I always knew he did, from the first time I read the End.





Right here:



Thanos absorbs LT - Eternity/Infinity - Cosmics - All the Celestials .... on and on ...
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/1825/teb9.th.jpg


And Thanos never stopped
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4388/t2gw1.th.jpg



Read


"For IF this BAND (the Living Tribunal, ETERNITY/INFINITY) Could Defy Me... might not OTHERS* be equally Foolish?"
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/4746/t6bi7.th.jpg
"Could I ALLOW ANY to question my divine AUTHORITY?"



"NO....So I CONTINUED to Absorb ALL that MIGHT THREATEN my REIGN...Until....
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/2830/t7fq0.th.jpg



"Nothing Remained"
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/991/allhecouldum7.th.jpg



SO,

(AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal - Eternity/Infinity - the ENTIRE Race of Celestials - all the Cosmics - Heroes and even some Villains of this "One Universe"



REMEMBER THESE QUESTIONS?



WHAT Others could be Equally Foolish?

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?


In this "Single Universe?"


dontgetit

Originally posted by Mr Master
I expect nothing less from you homie,

you make empty claims with absolutely NO proof.

Yet, you have the audacity to dismiss On Panel evidence

and an Official Marvel Bio that corresponds with the On Panel events.




And I expect you to be the self righteoud pious ass you have always been. I didn't make any attacks against you. all i said was i was sticking with what was said in the books. Which was universe. Until another comic book comes out and retcons it as such. You can go back to ur lil fish bowl and be the big fish again.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
all i said was i was sticking with what was said in the books. Which was universe. Until another comic book comes out and retcons it as such.

"Sticking with what the comic book said?"



I don't see you addressing what the "Book" says either.



(AFTER absorbing the Living Tribunal - Eternity/Infinity - the ENTIRE Race of Celestials - all the Cosmics - Heroes and even some Villains of this "One Universe"



WHAT Others could be Equally Foolish?

WHO else COULD question his AUTHORITY?

WHO else can THREATEN his REIGN?


In this "Single Universe?" hum




The answer is Obvious, .... but go ahead nvr,

correct the Official Marvel bio why don't you,


and answer these questions.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I like myself now better, who STILL Proves his case On Panel,

and then CERTIFIES it with the Official Bio.

No offense but I also don't like "official" Bios, if they are Printed or on the official Site itself, hm, may be ok but I doubt Marvel reads everything some dude writes on his page, maybe it's an good one, even if it looks cheap , but still I don't think the editors read it or stick to it's opinion. It's rather vice versa, and people can interpret a comic false or overread something, I mean look at Wikipedia.

This reminds me of Dark Sun, they also redirect one from the official Wizards of the Coast site to the official Dark Sun page but when an new DragonMagazine Articel comes out, it contradicts in almost every part with the officially approved page, it shows me clearly that the company doesn't read such pages. I don't know if it's the same with Marvel but I GUESS so.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No offense but I also don't like "official" Bios,

Since when did I become the spokesman for Bios of "any type?"

... No offense taken friend.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
if they are Printed or on the official Site itself, hm, may be ok but I doubt Marvel reads everything some dude writes on his page, maybe it's an good one, even if it looks cheap,

"some dude?"

"writes on his page?"



That website is HUGE!

It's not one dude running it,

the Site is Official and is the ONLY One besides Marvel.com that is.

On the first page of EVERY Marvel Universe Hanbook PRINTED a whole Page is practically dedicated to that Site.

In fact, the PRINTED Handbook Directs you to the Site, to check up on any corrections made on Errors IN the Handbook.

More Official still ...


Originally posted by Batman-Prime
but still I don't think the editors read it or stick to it's opinion. It's rather vice versa, and people can interpret a comic false or overread something,

Your opinion, and nothing else.

Show us proof that the any Marvel Editor feels that way, otherwise it's you who "does not read it or sticks to it's opinion"

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I mean look at Wikipedia.

I got nothing to do with Wiki.

Everyone knows Wiki is silly for the most part concerning Comics.

imo atleast.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
This reminds me of Dark Sun, they also redirect one from the official Wizards of the Coast site to the official Dark Sun page but when an new DragonMagazine Articel comes out, it contradicts in almost every part with the officially approved page, it shows me clearly that the company doesn't read such pages.

This also has absolutely nothing to do with Marvel or the End series.

Too bad that Coast site is a joke, not my problem since I only read Marvel,

the Site I presented is Official and promoted by Marvel in it's own Handbooks, ALL of them in fact.

Besides the fact that what they Officially establish WAS demonstrated On Panel.

I only debate with On Panel evidence, and then when my point has been made, I include the Official bio, to further prove I was right, or wrong.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't know if it's the same with Marvel but I GUESS so.

Marvel Handbooks make mistakes like any other I'm sure, I've pointed them out personally,

but if it happened On Panel then it's Official, and if it also happened in the Bio, it's Doubly Official.

Now if it happened in a Bio, but Not On Panel,

it's Unacceptable.

lol your so funny Mr. M, you take that bio over on panel showings, which show that the HOTU made Thanos exactly 1 universe?

Then I guess you will also take DC's statements as law above on panel showings as well?

In that case Superman Prime is the most powerful being, being the begining and end all of all of DC?

Yeah thats what I thought.

Originally posted by Board Walker
lol your so funny Mr. M, you take that bio over on panel showings, which show that the HOTU made Thanos exactly 1 universe?

Then I guess you will also take DC's statements as law above on panel showings as well?

In that case Superman Prime is the most powerful being, being the begining and end all of all of DC?

Yeah thats what I thought.


Originally posted by Mr Master
I only debate with On Panel evidence,

and then when my point has been made,

I include the Official bio, to further prove I was right, or wrong.


if it happened On Panel then it's Official,

and if it also happened in the Bio, it's Doubly Official.


Now if it happened in a Bio, but Not On Panel,

it's Unacceptable.


yawn

Originally posted by Board Walker
lol your so funny Mr. M, you take that bio over on panel showings, which show that the HOTU made Thanos exactly 1 universe?.
I love how you present that as a proven issue when you never posted ANYTHING to support that, just saying that you're correct.

Only 3 official universes have been examined in the Lucifer Morningstar series.


In the Lucifer final issue, when he and Yahweh speak...the universes are actually one universe being born, then dying, then being born again.


It wasn't a multiverse or "megaverse" as nvrhadsex likes to put it...


It was a Universe which kept going through a cycle of big bangs and big crunches, dying and being reborn again and again.....




LUCIFER created ONE Universe


ELAINE became God of ONE Universe



GET over it already fanboys....

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Only 3 official universes have been examined in the Lucifer Morningstar series.


In the Lucifer final issue, when he and Yahweh speak...the universes are actually one universe being born, then dying, then being born again.


It wasn't a multiverse or "megaverse" as nvrhadsex likes to put it...


It was a Universe which kept going through a cycle of big bangs and big crunches, dying and being reborn again and again.....




LUCIFER created ONE Universe


ELAINE became God of ONE Universe



GET over it already fanboys....

LOl that is why when lucifer stepped out of his universe he saw that it was actually infinitly over lapping ( multiverse anyone especially idiots who dont' know what the **** they are talking about) and he saw a sea of others rising and falling, ( megaverse anyone). Get it over you DC hating Tard ass.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
YOu are such a tard. Vertigo is NOT I repeat not just the lucifer series. How many times do I have to explain that. Damn. Each story is not part of the lucifer multiverse. ANd lucifer saw the infinite overlapping verses. Go figure for you not knowing what ur talking about.
But all of Vertigo is Yahweh's creation is it not?
And Lucifer duplicated that ceation which equalled a universes.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Vertigos 3 Universes are equal to the Marvel Omniverse.
Yeah and Images 1 universe equals the DC omniverse ...
And when we're at it Dragonball's single universe equals DC's omniverse as well ...

Vertigo is a part of DC ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But all of Vertigo is Yahweh's creation is it not?
And Lucifer duplicated that ceation which equalled a universes.

Did not Lucifer step outside of his universe and see the infinitely overlapping verse (a multiverse) and he saw others just like this as a sea rising and falling,( a mega verse). Lucifer only duplicated the creation he thought he knew. Later on he sees the multiverse and the mega verse (the sea of rising and falling other multiverses).

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Did not Lucifer step outside of his universe and see the infinitely overlapping verse (a multiverse) and he saw others just like this as a sea rising and falling,( a mega verse). Lucifer only duplicated the creation he thought he knew. Later on he sees the multiverse and the mega verse (the sea of rising and falling other multiverses).
He duplicated all creation, since he was there witnessed it when it was built. -- It was even stated.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
He duplicated all creation, since he was there witnessed it when it was built. -- It was even stated. Different time.

Proof Lucifer created a multiverse:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5201/lucifermultiverseos8.jpg

From Lucifer: Nirvana, page 5.

More proof Vertigo is a multiverse:

http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9616/vertigomultiversexx0.jpg

From Lucifer #37, page 22.

More proof:

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3374/alternatecalei6.jpg

From Lucifer #39, page 6.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Proof Lucifer created a multiverse:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5201/lucifermultiverseos8.jpg

From Lucifer: Nirvana, page 5.

clappingclappingclapping

Brilliant.

It think the scan says it all.

Confirmed.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Proof Lucifer created a multiverse:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5201/lucifermultiverseos8.jpg

From Lucifer: Nirvana, page 5.
I was trying to tell 'em man. I've been telling people for a long while now.

Oh by the way Lucifer and Micheal find a way to obliterate Thanos, Hopefully they both can now be getting the respect they deserve as confirmation of their power has been brought forth.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Proof Lucifer created a multiverse:

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/5201/lucifermultiverseos8.jpg

From Lucifer: Nirvana, page 5. Hmm...
So, this would put Lucifer's power in a different scope... or perhaps he added on to Micheal's.
Just a quick explaination?

Anyway, if this is true, then Lucifer is even more powerful!

Lucifer claims that he created a Multiverse, therefore it is official

Why would he be lying? He was talking to Mazikeen, he has no reason to lie to her.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Lucifer claims that he created a Multiverse, therefore it is official

Are you stating that his lying

Originally posted by Mr Master
I like myself now better, who STILL Proves his case On Panel,

and then CERTIFIES it with the Official Bio.

Wrong, what was shown on panel is that Thanos absorbed a single universe and nothing more.

The bio states a multiverse, thus contradicting the on panel.

On this forum, as always, On panel > Bio.

Originally posted by bigbran
Hmm...
So, this would put Lucifer's power in a different scope... or perhaps he added on to Micheal's.
Just a quick explaination?

Anyway, if this is true, then Lucifer is even more powerful!

Michael's essence (power) is what created all of creation in the first place, and Lucifers will shaped it.

Michael and Lucifer are literally (vertigo) god's will and power.

Michael (vertigo) at multiple times created Megaverses, want to know how I know it was a megaverse?

Because each creation in and of itself was a multiverse, (IE Yaweh's creation consisted of limitless and infinite ebbing and flowing creations, as did Elaine's, and as did Lucifer's).

Michael's power is limitless and it is explained through the series that he is for all point and value, Yaweh's power.

Power does not just mean energy blast, no it is very much more then that, just as will is not just a desire and drive to do some thing.

They are both infinite and limitless sources of essence and existence that allow them to be, and do anything or nothing that they desire, or do not desire.

Power is will, and Will is power.

P.S. even if we take the bio over the on panel evidence which shows it was one universe, then that means the HOTU is limited to exactly one multiverse.

Michael >>>>>>>>>>> Megaverses

Lucifer >>>>>>>>>>> Megaverses

What I want to know is when Lucifer created this Multiverse.

Up untill Nirvana, Lucifer as well as anyone else refering to his creation, called it a Universe.

Universe is often used as shorthand for multiverse.

For example people talk about the DC and Marvel universes when they are really multiverses.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Universe is often used as shorthand for multiverse.

For example people talk about the DC and Marvel universes when they are really multiverses. That's an iffy opinion.

Lucifer clearly used the word Multiverse when talking with Mazikeen.

So why would he not use it all of the other times he referred to his creation?



I'm not doubting whether or not Lucifer created a Multiverse, because he clearly did.

Something doesn't add up to me as far as terminology is concerned.

Again, I want to know when Lucifer's creation went from a Universe to a Multiverse.

Perhaps it started out as a universe but expanded

Originally posted by Galan007
That's an iffy opinion.

Lucifer clearly used the word Multiverse when talking with Mazikeen.

So why would he not use it all of the other times he referred to his creation?



I'm not doubting whether or not Lucifer created a Multiverse, because he clearly did.

Something doesn't add up to me as far as terminology is concerned.

Again, I want to know when Lucifer's creation went from a Universe to a Multiverse.

It was always a multiverse, Lucifer created a creation of the same kind as Yaweh's was, Elaine did so later as well.

Remember when he was gazing into the creation? And he saw limitless creations ebbing and flowing?

That was all in Yaweh's creation, Elaine made the same later, as did Lucifer earlier.

P.S. I thought it was pretty clearly explained (revealed) through the series, that all of creation (void and all), was created by Michael and Lucifer, as they were the very "tools" that were (are) Yaweh, which he gave free will to.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Perhaps it started out as a universe but expanded Yeah, I'm sure that's what had to have happened, but I am just curious when it happened. hum

Originally posted by Board Walker
It was always a multiverse, Lucifer created a creation of the same kind as Yaweh's was, Elaine did so later as well.

Remember when he was gazing into the creation? And he saw limitless creations ebbing and flowing?

That was all in Yaweh's creation, Elaine made the same later, as did Lucifer earlier. Lucifer always referred to his own creation as a Universe.

Nothing I remember seeing from his creation led me to believe it was more then a singular Universe. (Untill Nirvana).

I want to know when he decided to make it a Multiverse, (if that information is even known)..... That's all.

Originally posted by Galan007
Lucifer always referred to his own creation as a Universe.

Nothing I remember seeing from his creation led me to believe it was more then a singular Universe. (Untill Nirvana).

I want to know when he decided to make it a Multiverse, (if that information is even known)..... That's all.

Maybe he was referring to one aspect of his creatoin?

Just as their were infinite aspects of one of the Multiverses that Yaweh or Elaine created?

It was clear that each creation made (Elaine, Yaweh, Michael+Lucifer) was a infinite creation of infinite existences.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Maybe he was referring to one aspect of his creatoin?

Just as their were infinite aspects of one of the Multiverses that Yaweh or Elaine created?

It was clear that each creation made (Elaine, Yaweh, Michael+Lucifer) was a infinite creation of infinite existences. Maybe.

I just want to know what's with the sudden change in his terminology.

Originally posted by Galan007
What I want to know is when Lucifer created this Multiverse.

Up untill Nirvana, Lucifer as well as anyone else refering to his creation, called it a Universe. Me too!

Maybe you can explain something to me .

A Universe is an Universe but what is the difference between an Marvel Omniverse and an DC Universe (Multiverse).

DCs Universe is made from an infinite number of Universes, hence Multiverse.

Marvels Omniverse is made from Megaverses, Multiverses and Universes.

However, an infinite number of Universes is as infinite as an infinite number of say Omniverses, which is an collection of an infinite number of universes, or isn't it?

I mean 2xInfinity = Infinity....

Do you understand my problem?

Is the term omniverse and megaverse just an way of marvel to split the infinity of their Universe (multiverse) into even samller parts so they can get a better "feeling" for the infinity of the Universes ?

I think I'm confused :P.

Originally posted by Galan007
Maybe.

I just want to know what's with the sudden change in his terminology. probably a writer typo.

Originally posted by Juntai

I was trying to tell 'em man. I've been telling people for a long while now.

Yeah me too. I guess Nvr Had a clue actually does.

Originally posted by Big Sexy
probably a writer typo. That's what I was thinking too.

Every other statement I've seen in reference to Lucifer's creation, always called it a Universe.

That's the only time a Multiverse was directly referred to, that I know of.


srug

It's just wierd.