Final Round Sig Tourney
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ThePittman
Alliance Vs. Gannon
Render: Rise of Nations Rise of Legends
Criteria: 540x200 or 200x540 max size, no file size limit. This must include some type of quote or sentence that fits the theme of your design and some type of logo. The logo can be something that is pre-made or something that you create this is up to you. You must also create an avatar to go with your sig that is no larger than 100x100, this can not be just a copy and paste of your sig, you can use part of your sig but must have additional design elements to it that fits with the theme of your sig design.
Deadline: March 7th, 5:00 PM MST, this is a week and half so no extensions will be given.
Good luck to the both of you and we all are looking forward to your designs.
TOH
Originally posted by ThePittman
Render: Rise of Nations Rise of Legends
Is "he" pregnant? ermm
ThePittman
Originally posted by TOH
Is "he" pregnant? ermm Are you the father?
Gannon
Thanks for setting it up. Render is strange.
Alliance
Originally posted by Gannon
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Render is strange.
Quote =
i are a whiner hoy
ThePittman
Originally posted by Gannon
Thanks for setting it up. Render is strange. You should have seen that other one I was going to use. pitt_nuts
Spidervlad
WTH, That is a very disturbing render... I feel sorry to the people who are going to have to use it in a render...
I played the game Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends, but I have never seen someone so fat there : /
BakaXero
OMG!!! it's a render of Britney!!
Barker
Originally posted by Spidervlad
WTH, That is very disturbing, Baka.
Gannon
I just looked at the render again.
i think i'm gonna
Lana
You guys are such whiners...people complain that they get the same renders over and over but then complain when they get something different.
BakaXero
Originally posted by Lana
You guys are such whiners...people complain that they get the same renders over and over but then complain when they get something different.
I rarely ever complain
Barker
Yeah, what is up with the constant bitching over renders lately? srug
Gannon
I'm not complaining. I'm just saying that the render isn't exactly attractive.srug
Spidervlad
So? Did I tell you the story I had to make a render of a homosexual anime charachter? That wasn't preety, beileve me. I had to put the opacity of the render to 0% during the whole time I was making the sig.
NiņoAraņa
Originally posted by Spidervlad
So? Did I tell you the story I had to make a render of a homosexual anime charachter? That wasn't preety, beileve me. I had to put the opacity of the render to 0% during the whole time I was making the sig. and with that comment i think we should get back on topic....13
Alliance
Originally posted by BakaXero
I rarely ever complain
Same here. I wouldn't have complained but the quote put me over the edge.
Barker
Originally posted by Lana
You guys are such whiners...people complain that they get the same renders over and over but then complain when they get something different.
There's a difference between some very softcore hentai render and a pregnant dude.
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Well, I guess not. Nevermind.
NiņoAraņa
i still can't see the render
Spidervlad
I think Alliance can take this :P
Lana
Originally posted by Spidervlad
So? Did I tell you the story I had to make a render of a homosexual anime charachter? That wasn't preety, beileve me. I had to put the opacity of the render to 0% during the whole time I was making the sig.
That would explain a lot.
(not to mention is really sad)
TOH
I'm rooting for Baka! w00t
LifeInSepia
Originally posted by TOH
I'm rooting for Baka! w00t
w00tgun2313
BakaXero
Originally posted by TOH
I'm rooting for Taft! w00t
Barker
Originally posted by TOH
I'm rooting for Baft! w00t
Alliance
I take it since the limits are 200x540 and 540x200 we can do anything inbetween as long as we don't exceed 108000 pixelssquared (area)
Barker
No, it's either or.
juggernaut66666
Good luck guys!
Rewmac
Thanks Pitt for helping out me again. I was kinda busy. But hey good luck guys. I'll be watching
ThePittman
Originally posted by Alliance
I take it since the limits are 200x540 and 540x200 we can do anything inbetween as long as we don't exceed 108000 pixelssquared (area) pitt_fist
NiņoAraņa
just saw the render....what are you guys complaining about? ermm
Alliance
Originally posted by ThePittman
pitt_fist
Was that a yes or a no?
Gannon
Originally posted by Alliance
Was that a yes or a no?
Thats what i was wondering.
Thorinn
I wonder what he does with the other 3 free hands. hmm
Alliance
makes light balls?
ThePittman
You can either make a vertical or horizontal sig, no squaring the two sizes.
Gannon
Originally posted by ThePittman
You can either make a vertical or horizontal sig, no squaring the two sizes.
So it must be one or the other? Nothing smaller?
Alliance
I think its ok if its smaller? but i couldn't make a 300x 360 sig for instance, because one dimension is larger than the limit.
ThePittman
Originally posted by Alliance
I think its ok if its smaller? but i couldn't make a 300x 360 sig for instance, because one dimension is larger than the limit. correct, it can be smaller but not larger.
DigiMark007
March 7? *sigh*
I was expecting to see entries.
And go Gannon. Not that I'm rooting against Alliance, but it's always easier to root for an underdog, and Alliance already has himself a tournament win.
Is this the 2nd tourney KMC's done? Or 3rd? Because I remember entering 2 (I think) but I definitely didn't enter this one.
{edit} has to be 3rd. Lana and Alliance are our past champs.
ThePittman
I just hope they didn't forget, I wanted to give them plenty of time to turn out some great and not to forfeit and entry.
Barker
yawn
Just like Alliance to not turn in an entry 4 days before the deadline.
Alliance
gun2sly
I did not forget. I've been working on it for several hours today. I hope ya'll be impressed. The time was much appreciated. Last week was hell.
Rewmac
Originally posted by Alliance
gun2sly
I did not forget. I've been working on it for several hours today. I hope ya'll be impressed. The time was much appreciated. Last week was hell. Originally posted by ThePittman
I just hope they didn't forget, I wanted to give them plenty of time to turn out some great and not to forfeit and entry.
ThePittman
Originally posted by Alliance
firefirefireph pitt_nuts
Alliance
Mine is so much less possesed.
and thanks for the pm
Marko
Originally posted by Alliance
firefirefireph Originally posted by ThePittman
pitt_nuts
nuts4
Alliance
Now thats just wonrg.
Is this thread here for a reason
ThePittman
Originally posted by Marko
nuts4 That looks familiar
Alliance
Entries:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/Rewmac-Tourney-Gannon-Ani.gif
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/Rewmac-Tourney-Avy.jpg
DigiMark007
surprise
baby
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So anyway. Go Gannon.
canadian
P.S. Shite that's nice...
Gannon
I have 2 hours right?
Alliance
One. (you can take two if you want. Makes my life easier.)
Spidervlad
Nice entry Alliance, but it took me like 5 seconds to find the render in the sig for some reason :P Probably because it blends in so well.
ThePittman
Originally posted by Gannon
I have 2 hours right? By my clock 1 hour.
Gannon
Ok im finishing mine up. Nice entry btw Alliance.
Alliance
Thanks. I'm sorry I used animation.
Gannon
It's ok. I'll tell you right now mine has no animation.
Alliance
If its any consolation I did it because I was scared
Spidervlad
It's peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, game's ova, game's ova, game's ova, peanut butter jeeeely, peanut butter jeeely, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat. It's peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, game's ova, game's ova, game's ova, peanut butter jeeeely, peanut butter jeeely, peanut butter jelly, peanut butter jelly with a baseball bat.
Alliance
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TOH
Originally posted by Alliance
If its any consolation I did it because I was scared
herbtouched
Gannon
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c89/something941/alliance-duel-second-attemp.jpg
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c89/something941/alliance-final-psd-2.jpg
Alliance
Could you slip it in any later?
Nice job. I like lots of it.
Gannon
Thanks.
I was seriously rushing. All the sudden I looked at the clock and there was like 5 minutes left. crazy
Alliance
I was wondering if you were gonna make it.
Speaking of which, do you play Star Wars Battlefront II online? (PC)
Alliance
Just checking, I blow a guy nammed Gannon up all the time and was wondering if it was you.
Spidervlad
Nice sig Gannon, but what the hell do little white birds have to do with an ugly violent pregnant guy?
Gannon
Not sure but i thought they looked cool with the colors and such.
ThePittman
Great job both of you, I PM'ed the judges for their votes.
DigiMark007
Actually, I really like the birds. Good sig, and awesome avy Gannon.
Gannon
Thanks.
Spidervlad
Hmm... This is sure a good duel. However I like Gannon's clarity of the sig, so you can see the render a bit clearer then Alliance's...
DigiMark007
You know, I have my own opinions on this and almost any other match, but so much at the higher levels of this stuff starts to become very subjective. I realize that many times "X is better than Y" is obvious, but tons of it is stylistic.
I don't really know my own style...close proximity probably forbids me an unbiased observation. But just scrolling up this thread, everyone has a signature that fits their particular stylistic idiom. Gannon, Lana, Alliance, Pittman, TOH, etc.
And which is better? Mine.
No, the answer is "who knows?"
...
...maybe this is an old-news kinda thing. Like, "Well dur, Digi." But I guess it never really struck me until now.
...coincidentally, this is also my excuse for every future lost duel. "Irreconcilable Stylistic Preferences".....not because I'm worse.
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In any case, good match guys. I feel like I'd be out of place attempting to compete with such quality work, which is about as high a compliment as I can give.
Gannon
So basicly your saying that people have diffrent tastes and they will judge based on that?
Lana
Well, that's sort of what it always comes down to, to a certain extent; you can go over the technical aspects all you want, but everyone has different styles that they prefer over others. Being as judgments are opinions of the judges, then their stylistic tastes will play a part in the final decisions.
DigiMark007
Originally posted by Gannon
So basicly your saying that people have diffrent tastes and they will judge based on that?
Kinda. That's about half of it. The other half is non-duel-related. And it's just that we'll make sigs (duels or otherwise) in our own personal idiom more often than not, and that stylistic continuity is just as important to the sig community as who has more "talent" (so long as there's at least some talent involved, that is...like I said the F- work can't be compared to A+ work just because it's in an "idiom"
So yeah, it applies to judges too. But I wasn't speaking so much to the duels as in general.
Alliance
You can always look at technical aspects. That should usually be 80-90% imo. But there always is that extra umph a piece can get from style.
It would be wrong to say art is simply judged on tastes. But it does hold influence. When I critique work, I try to focus mostly on mechanics, but if it is composed in a style I like, then I support it.
There are two problems with sigmaking:
1. It is a undeveloped art. I don't see people coming out with artist's statements for each sig. If they did so, I'd feel more comfortable judging the sig artistically.
2. People are trend whores. This goes for art to, but you have a lot more freedom of materials and techniques than you do in digital-land. Often sigs just look like they are the same thing repackaged again and again. Thats not good art. Good art moves somewhere, evolves.
Regardless, Gannon, I like yous sig a lot. I think it could use some more darks and more readable text, but design wise I think its really strong. I feel its a bit underdeveloped, like I want to be seeing more in areas, and that probably a product of you rushing to get it in. The left half is pretty strong, the arm could use some work. The right half is much weaker, due in major part to that awkward light source. However, the layout is great and the colors are stunning. Its a lot more design based than mine, and I like that.
^^^ That is more like a real critique (that comes form an artist, and I don't know if the average sigmaker is prepared to make those kind of evaluations). Thats a downside to KMC versus a more graphic oriented site. But on those you often get judged by trendwhoring. Its all a balance.
On a last note, for those who don't speak french....my quote says "Often the fear on one evil leads us into a worse."
Spidervlad
Yeah, I realized that a few days earlier. I don't really care if people like my style as long as I like it. And in my view, I have one of the best styles :P Thats why I switched back to using brush backgrounds after trying to do backgrounds without brushes. I just don't like Smudging, distorting, and filtering styles.
Alliance
Thats whats wrong about Digi's assessment. Art should be your style, but no one is going ot learn to appreciate a style unless the art is good.
You need technical aspects and a message to win that war.
Spidervlad
But are we making these sigs so we could become famous and make money? No, thats why personally I make sigs for my own enjoyment. For my own visual pleasure, seeing myself create something I personally like. However if your doing art for buisness, thats a whole another idea.
Style is one part of art, but the design is another.
DigiMark007
I didn't mean to imply that it's all a stylistic thing. I tried to make a few disclaimers where I talked about the need for "talent" before style can become a factor.
So yes, mechanics = very important too, at least for our purposes in this forum.
...and no, I'm not as qualified to make a legit artistic statement as maybe Alliance or Lana (who I know is also an artist beyond sig-making). I realize my limitations, and those of the forum, but I think we operate fairly well given those limitations.
I'm honestly trying to break into non-technological artwork some, just for fun mostly. And I've even been planning to shift my PS work toward backgrounds, photo manips, lanscapes, etc. to braoden my horizons. But none of that has happened yet, so I really only know what I've learned on the forum.
Alliance
I don't think thats entirely the case. You post your sigs because you want to share them and gain clout. Even if its not money.
Real art is not just a business, it is academic. For each one of my personal sigs, and for most of my duel ones, I could write an artists statement about what the sig means. "It's pretty" is not a real meaning. I'm a firm believer that putting that much thought into something makes the product better. I think people can really see that.
Its harder in duels or requests, but it should definitely be obvious in your personal work.
On a side note...there is totally an old man's face on the chest of this render. The tattoo wraps around his head.
ThePittman
When I used to enter art contest back in school the judges used to walk around with someone watching them with a stop watch and the one that would win would be the work that the judge looked at longest. With any judging there is a degree of personal taste, that can't be avoided but for me when I judge work I quickly look at the design first and remember the feeling that it gave me and how it impacted me. From there I will look at the design and what went into it and for me theme is very important be it a simple to complex design.
Some of my designs are my style and for my personal taste and others are toward the general population, things that I like I know that the general public doesn't appreciate or understand and doesn't "sell". When I do work for others I have to keep that in mind, just because I don't like it doesn't mean that other do not.
As for the judging, we have two votes in and waiting for the other two.
Lana
Well, really, for sigs I generally don't put a large amount of work or effort into them, and rarely do they have any meaning beyond "I think it looks pretty". I like to make them but all it comes down to is for me, making signatures is a way to kill time and fiddle about with Photoshop techniques I don't use in my usual artwork.
In my usual artwork, though...well, art is my outlet, and everything I make has a deeper meaning to it, even the things that I've made on a whim because I had some random inspiration out of nowhere. It's still got a deeply personal meaning to it and I could probably write essays on what various pieces of art I've created mean to me, though largely I prefer to keep my artist statements very short because I like for people to draw their own conclusions and to find their own meanings...and as my art IS my outlet, what I intend it to mean I keep to myself. It's very personal, it's basically me baring my soul to the world, and I like to keep what it ultimately is about personal; I make my art for me, and I don't care if someone else is confused by it, they can work it out themselves. If they can come to the same conclusions, that's fine, if they come to their own, that's fine too.
DigiMark007
Also, sorry for the sidetrack. I think some of what I was intending was taken out of context, as it was more amused observation than philosophical statement. But still, an interesting discussion I think.
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And yes, in my personal work at least I'd like to think there's purpose behind almost everything I do....though I can understand Lana's viewpoint, since she has other artistic outlets that she takes more seriously. I don't...at least not in the visual arts (I'm a musician, but it's a decidely different medium).
ThePittman
Also for me NO TANGENT LINES!!!!!!
Alliance
I like this sidetrack. I wouldn't quite underestimate parallels between music and art. One of my best friends is a Music/comp major and we can often be on the same page about artistic method.
DigiMark007
Originally posted by Alliance
I like this sidetrack. I wouldn't quite underestimate parallels between music and art. One of my best friends is a Music/comp major and we can often be on the same page about artistic method.
lol
I was actually expecting that comment eventually (I almost edited in something saying "though they can be quite similar in many respects"
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....but yeah, I could make cliched analogies, or simply talk generally about my approach to the two mediums. Either one would produce quite a few similarities, despite the differences. But I definitely take music more seriously. It's not my job, but I make money doing it (and also do it just for fun many times), and have invested way more time into it. Image editing...not nearly as much
ThePittman
For me it is harder to judge music for the simple fact that I don't really understand all of the things that go into it, I know that there is much artistic talent but I simply go by what sounds good to me.
Lana
Well, music IS a form of art, I don't see why a musician and visual artist wouldn't have a lot of the same opinions on artistic method and such. They're just different types of art.
(I played violin most my life so I'm not unfamiliar with music, but it's not my specialty by any means)
DigiMark007
Cool.
*also a violinist*
I was a performance major for 2 years, and still play quite often. And yes, the similarities are myriad....like I said, I should have edited in that comment to begin with.
P.S. I will admit, however, that with sigs, a lot more than I'd care to admit is probably "how does it look to me"...though I try to work in technical aspects as much as possible too.
ThePittman
Originally posted by Lana
Well, music IS a form of art, I don't see why a musician and visual artist wouldn't have a lot of the same opinions on artistic method and such. They're just different types of art.
(I played violin most my life so I'm not unfamiliar with music, but it's not my specialty by any means) It's not art if I can't do it pitt_nuts
I'm just jealous because musicians get all the babes
DigiMark007
...bumping to this page:
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Cool.
*also a violinist*
I was a performance major for 2 years, and still play quite often. And yes, the similarities are myriad....like I said, I should have edited in that comment to begin with.
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Originally posted by DigiMark007
*also a violinist*
Originally posted by ThePittman
I'm just jealous because musicians get all the babes
...apparently I didn't get that memo, nor did the girls where I live.
ermm
*looks at Lana suddenly*
Quit hogging all the hot chicks!
Lana
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Cool.
*also a violinist*
I was a performance major for 2 years, and still play quite often. And yes, the similarities are myriad....like I said, I should have edited in that comment to begin with.
P.S. I will admit, however, that with sigs, a lot more than I'd care to admit is probably "how does it look to me"...though I try to work in technical aspects as much as possible too.
Yay violins!
I really want to start playing again, it's been a few years. First I need to afford a new violin though and yeah, they're a bit pricy. Not really a luxury I can afford.
I was a art major originally (digital media to be specific), but pretty soon came to a realization...art is my hobby. My main hobby, that is. It's probably one of the most important things to me. But if I was going to be doing it for a career...it'd turn into an obligation. I would HAVE to do it constantly, instead of just creating things on a whim or when I get random inspiration. If I did that...I would run the risk of getting bored with it, of getting fed up with it...not really something I would want to happen.
Plus, I really don't think I would have been able to get used to creating things within restrictions and not being able to just flow and see what happens. I dunno. It just would have been hard for me and I'm just glad I realized that.
Originally posted by DigiMark007
*looks at Lana suddenly*
Quit hogging all the hot chicks!
I am? Why hasn't anyone told ME this, damnit?!
ThePittman
Originally posted by DigiMark007
...bumping to this page:
....
...apparently I didn't get that memo, nor did the girls where I live.
ermm
*looks at Lana suddenly*
Quit hogging all the hot chicks!
Here ya go
http://www.gaywired.com/images/ACF1DC2.jpg
Alliance
Originally posted by DigiMark007
lol
I was actually expecting that comment eventually (I almost edited in something saying "though they can be quite similar in many respects"
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....but yeah, I could make cliched analogies, or simply talk generally about my approach to the two mediums. Either one would produce quite a few similarities, despite the differences. But I definitely take music more seriously. It's not my job, but I make money doing it (and also do it just for fun many times), and have invested way more time into it. Image editing...not nearly as much
I do research full time, but without pay. Doing design is the only way I can make money during the school year.
@ Lana, creating within restrictions isn't that bad. Your personal work will always be better, but I just look at it as I get compensated for submitting something thats not perfect.
Originally posted by ThePittman
It's not art if I can't do it pitt_nuts
I'm just jealous because musicians get all the babes
You can do it, jsut not very well.
And rich people get all the babes...not mucisians 31
Lana
Originally posted by Alliance
I do research full time, but without pay. Doing design is the only way I can make money during the school year.
@ Lana, creating within restrictions isn't that bad. Your personal work will always be better, but I just look at it as I get compensated for submitting something thats not perfect.
You can do it, jsut not very well.
And rich people get all the babes...not mucisians 31
I sell prints of my artwork...doesn't really pay the bills or anything, but it does give me some extra spending money, which I usually use to keep all my various sites I have paid accounts for paid for, and then to decorate my room with prints of artwork (my own and others).
And I tend to be a perfectionist and I've never been happy with anything I've thought to be less than perfect. You should see how pissed I get when I'm working on something and can't get it to work out as I have it in my mind...and trying to create what someone else has in their mind? Not easy.
I have been kicking around the idea of starting to take some commissions, though, to add to my print selling.
TOH
Originally posted by Lana
Yay violins!
I really want to start playing again, it's been a few years. First I need to afford a new violin though and yeah, they're a bit pricy. Not really a luxury I can afford.
I was a art major originally (digital media to be specific), but pretty soon came to a realization...art is my hobby. My main hobby, that is. It's probably one of the most important things to me. But if I was going to be doing it for a career...it'd turn into an obligation. I would HAVE to do it constantly, instead of just creating things on a whim or when I get random inspiration. If I did that...I would run the risk of getting bored with it, of getting fed up with it...not really something I would want to happen.
Plus, I really don't think I would have been able to get used to creating things within restrictions and not being able to just flow and see what happens. I dunno. It just would have been hard for me and I'm just glad I realized that.
I am? Why hasn't anyone told ME this, damnit?!
Lana is HOT!!!
tan ta ta tata ra ra ra ra... mf_party
Alliance
Originally posted by Lana
I sell prints of my artwork...doesn't really pay the bills or anything, but it does give me some extra spending money, which I usually use to keep all my various sites I have paid accounts for paid for, and then to decorate my room with prints of artwork (my own and others).
I do more corporate design. Logos, shirts, program art...etc. Least when I'm not hacking asbestos out of buildings with illegal aliens at 2am.
DigiMark007
Wow. You know it's an interesting topic when I bring lesbianism into the conversation and we still stay on topic.
*gazes in wonder*
...nice try though TOH.
Lana
Originally posted by TOH
Lana is HOT!!!
tan ta ta tata ra ra ra ra... mf_party
w00t
Originally posted by Alliance
I do more corporate design. Logos, shirts, program art...etc. Least when I'm not hacking asbestos out of buildings with illegal aliens at 2am.
I've done stuff like that, but not really since high school; my friend and I took a graphic design class and pretty much finished everything for the semester in about a month, so our teacher would give us other projects to work on. We ended up designing t-shirt logos for about 6 different school clubs, the cover for the winter sports program book, business cards for the restaurant the school was running, etc.
Can't say I've ever done the second, though
Lana
Originally posted by DigiMark007
Wow. You know it's an interesting topic when I bring lesbianism into the conversation and we still stay on topic.
*gazes in wonder*
...nice try though TOH.
it's damn amusing though
Alliance
Lesbians aren't Irish. DUH. sampunch
Lana
Well, technically I'm not a lesbian, anyway
Alliance
"technically" opens up so many avenues.
DigiMark007
Originally posted by Alliance
"technically" opens up so many avenues.
...literally and figuratively.
ZING!
ThePittman
Originally posted by Lana
Well, technically I'm not a lesbian, anyway
pitt_shifty
you are a bullet dodging bunny
Alliance
Bunny-people are ugly.
Thorinn
Nonsense, that bunny-girl in Lanas sig is very cute.
BakaXero
It's the Nanny Viera named Fran!
Lana
Fran rocks w00t
Viera in general are cool.
Gannon
I'm definatly interested in graphic design. Ive always loved art and I hope to go to college to be a designer and make it my career.
Alliance
My very good friend wanted to do that. We were both good artists, but I pursued a career in science.
He chose art, and hated it. As Lana mentioned, just make sure that you're wiling to fuse art buisiness work together. My frined didn't like it and hated the artistic pressure, the demand that pieces be done.
Ironically I can tolarte that. I'm not trying to discourage you, I think its a great career. Just be prepared and make sure thats what you want.
Gannon
Hmm. I dunno. Art is my strong point and i honestly cant imagine myself doing anything else. I find it easier to do things when having a set theme or idea. I dont know if thats what you mean by the demands. Or is it that they restrict your creativity?
Thorinn
Both probably.
Make sure it's in demand in your area too.
Unless you don't mind relocating.
Alliance
Both. Sometimes clients want stupid things, like designs that are way to complex, or elements that don't fit in well. You can have a basic creativity in anything you do, but you have to meet specifications. (Kind of like this duel where we had to include 4000 different items)
ThePittman
I have always wanted to be a graphic artist and went to college for it and after years of trying to find a job finally got one. It is a very tuff business to get into, and as Alliance said you have to put your "style" and "taste" aside when doing work for clients. They do like some of the crappy stuff that I have done but they are paying the bill so they get what they want, you do get a client now and then that will let you have some free rain over the design and that can be fun. The biggest enjoyment that I get is when I'm done designing a website, brochure or ad and seeing it out in the public and people using it or reading it is very rewarding.
The hardest part is trying to design something for a client that is picky about what they want but doesn't know what they want and you are trying to read their mind and they expect you to read their mind.pitt_nuts
Alliance
Originally posted by ThePittman
The hardest part is trying to design something for a client that is picky about what they want but doesn't know what they want and you are trying to read their mind and they expect you to read their mind.pitt_nuts
100% behind ya there. They don't know what they want, but they know what they don't want....and whatever you do is what they don't want.
Rewmac
Nice entries guys. My vote is Gannon.
juggernaut66666
Originally posted by Alliance
Entries:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/Rewmac-Tourney-Gannon-Ani.gif
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/Rewmac-Tourney-Avy.jpg
eek
I'm shocked.
Gannon
Wow I really thought Alliance had it. Nice duel Alliance. Your sig was quite good. Thanks to all the judges for setting up the the tournament.
Spidervlad
Nice duel, good work, both of you!
Thorinn
Alliance lost. shock
I think the world is going to end. ermm
Skeets
The lighting alone give Alliance the win imo...
Spidervlad
Originally posted by Skeets
The lighting alone give Alliance the win imo...
Yeah, thats what I thought, but judges are judges :P
Alliance
Well, I'm sad. Thanks for the duel Gannon, but I challenge you to a re-duel, one with no animation, no quotes, and no logos.
When you have time of course.
I shouldn't have reverted to my normal style to face you. But I guess this makes us even.
Thanks everyone for your support.
Thanks judges. firefirefireph
Originally posted by ThePittman
but a bit to over blended.
haermm
I'm still pleased
ThePittman
Originally posted by Alliance
Well, I'm sad. Thanks for the duel Gannon, but I challenge you to a re-duel, one with no animation, no quotes, and no logos.
When you have time of course.
I shouldn't have reverted to my normal style to face you. But I guess this makes us even.
Thanks everyone for your support.
Thanks judges. firefirefireph
haermm
I'm still pleased
It was a real toss up for me, I really did like the lighting effect but it was the tangent line in the text that did it for me. That is a real pet peeve of mine and something my art teacher and judges told me was a big design no-no.
Alliance
What do you mean by tangent line? Because I feel so dumb.
Gannon
Yeah we could duel next week. On one condition. That the render is modern/high tech. I'm tired of medieval type sigs. glare
Alliance
This sig isn't mideval, but I do agree that the Middle ages suck total ass. The world ended in 476 CE.
(and magically came back around the 1850s)
Gannon
I feel your text is to distracting period. It should fade out in places to blend better. The two light sources are also distracting. And I'm not sure if the focal point is the glowing ball or his face. It looks flat and the face is blurry. But I do like the layout, color, and overall feel.
Ok. There's my critique.
Alliance
Are two focal points that complex? It creates movement.
At least you can read my quote
That was a short critique. There is a lot more that it needs to slapped on the wrist. 313
Gannon
I think the movement should be focused on moving your eyes to a specific focal point. For example: Subtle lines going the direction of your focal point. This creates flow. With yours my eyes kinda jump and forth between the ball and his face. I wouldnt consider that good flow. The stuff on his arm and hands also needs work.
TOH
Congrats Gannon!
Marko
Originally posted by Skeets
The lighting alone give Alliance the win imo...
Rewmac
Nice sigs guys. Congrats Gannon for your win.
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