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why are people who don't like gay people called homophobic?

a phobia is a fear........how is a dislike for something equated with being afraid of it? I don't like chicken liver, I'm not afraid of it. I don't like people who talk during movies, I'm not afraid of them.

some people don't like homosexuals because of their religious and/or moral beliefs or maybe because they just flat out don't approve of the acts they engage in (much like me not liking people who talk during movies)...........

I have no problem with gay people. Their all pretty nice for the most part. I was just wondering why the term "homophobic" is used at all....

Because it's as illogical and stupid as actually being fearful of gay people.

And some of them actually are afraid of gay people, afraid of what they're doing to our moral code and stupid shit like that.

And it has a nice ring to it.

It's like the emo thing; it's incorrectly used (in most cases), or how pedophilia actually only refers to pre-pubescent children, and there is a different name for the post-pubescent version.

The fear part comes from people who dislike homosexuals because they're afraid they are one.

-AC

Originally posted by BackFire
Because it's as illogical and stupid as actually being fearful of gay people.
I was going to say that not liking them isn't as bad (as in the actual person and not being gay, btw religious people are wrong if they dislike homosexuals because they are homosexual, they are supposed to believe it is wrong but love the person), but I was thinking in the wrong context. It is probably worse than being fearful, because fear usually comes from a lack of understanding. It's not like you or I have met every gay person, so we can't really pass judgment on *all* of them can we? That is pretty stupid.

And using the word incorrectly can be annoying sometimes, because it's used way too much just like "racist" often is.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
why are people who don't like gay people called homophobic?

a phobia is a fear........how is a dislike for something equated with being afraid of it? I don't like chicken liver, I'm not afraid of it. I don't like people who talk during movies, I'm not afraid of them.

some people don't like homosexuals because of their religious and/or moral beliefs or maybe because they just flat out don't approve of the acts they engage in (much like me not liking people who talk during movies)...........

I have no problem with gay people. Their all pretty nice for the most part. I was just wondering why the term "homophobic" is used at all....

As questionable as wikipedia can be (and highly debatable and all), this entry actually seems fairly well done about the evolution and usage of the word "homophobia" and how it has evolved beyond the literal meaning of its two parts (that is phobia as "fear" and homo as an shortened form of "homosexual."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homophobia

The most relevant part being "Critics of the term".

I understand that.....but it is also applied to all the guys who don't like gay people simply because they think it is disgusting for a dude to suck another dude off. (I on the other hand find it mildy erotic).

The reason I posted this is because it seems as though today, homophobia is used as a slur as much anti-gay people use their derogitory slurs. It's like gay people are saying, "you don't like me because you're afraid of me".....a challenge to their masculinity or something. That, as it occurs to me, would be the ol' pot calling the kettle black. Resorting to a slur in objection to one using a slur against you.

The term phobia does not exclusively refer to fear, but to any "negative emotional reaction, e.g. anxiety, discomfort, fear, etc."

does that apply to just plain out not liking something though?

There are many things I dislike but cause me no anxiety, fear or discomfort. Spinach for instance.

who says it's even an emotional response?

ps. not being argumentative........don't misunderstand. I still don't see the rationale.

Homophobia by definition is intense dislike and disgust of Gay people and/or Homosexuality.


For men, Homophobia also refers to:



1) Fear of being or turning Gay

2) Fear that someone else will think he is Gay, therefore in order to dissassosiate themselves with Homosexuality, a man will publically condemn it.




It also refers to the general fear of homosexuality as a "destructive force against morality and values"

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The fear part comes from people who dislike homosexuals because they're afraid they are one.

-AC Was that a joke? If so, lol. If not, hmmm...

I always thought homophobia being used for someone who disliked homosexuals, or the act of homosexuality, simply meant that they were afraid of what accepting it would do to society.

What I mean is, some peoeple (Santorum) believe that if we accept homosexuality, we're one step away from bestiality. A ridiculous idea, yea, but one that is accepted by many people (my father included) nonetheless. Another thing thought of is that the constant barrage of homosexuality from the media will make our children gay. And we all know that gay children don't succeed in life.

But this is totally my own observation of the situation.

I think what you are talking about is plain Heterosexism evil dead



Just because someone prefers heterosexuality and does not condone homosexuality does not make them homophobic, but it does make them heterosexist.



Heterosexists are people who beleive thier sexual decisions, actions, and desires are somehow superior to that of a homosexual person's. Whether thier beleif is that heterosexuality is natural, while homosexuality is unnatural, that heterosexuality is normal while homosexuality is gross, or that heterosexuals are morally clean while homosexuals will go to hell...etc.




A true homophobe is someone who speaks out against, lashes out against, goes out of there way to harm, destroy, ruin, mock a homosexual person/couple/people.


A Heterosexist usually feels "sorry" for a homosexual, seeing them as somehow sick, impaired, or misguided.

I dont dislike.

I actually embrace them cause they work really well. They are (them who dont accept them) so because thry fear they might become homosexual themselves, IMO.

Homophobes are just the same as any other person who fears that one day a status might become the mentality of the mob.

Fear of the the novelty, the ideal and the the orientation. Always has been and shall be.

Since history tought us that homosexuality has been through the ages, it would be ignorance to deny acceptance that this matter occurs, Personally, I dony share the idealship, yet it would be pure ignorance to deny the the fact.

A better understanding will prevail on those who have mixed opinions or on those who are unsure.

Anyway, nobody reads this shit as I am one who never reads anything on this forum no longer as I got a busy life and should carrry on on with RAIB in Cumbria

It's just one in a long, long list of words with semantic drift, whose meanings are no longer literal to the root and have evolved.

i dont like screaming queens
i dont fear them.....i just find them very annoying
nearly as much as pc fools who use the old
"your unsure of ones sexuality if you dont like gays" line

its like saying that all racist whites desire to be black

fear or desire to be i should have said

im just saying that if someone disliking gays means that they have gay desires is ridiculous

Originally posted by Ushgarak
It's just one in a long, long list of words with semantic drift, whose meanings are no longer literal to the root and have evolved. Like 'emo' except political?

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The fear part comes from people who dislike homosexuals because they're afraid they are one.

-AC



i find that hard to believe. people are scared of spiders and would that make them a spider if there aracnaphobic? i dont mind gay people. for instance my cousin is gay and was it hard to except him for his sexuality? a little bit. just because my cousins gay dont mean im afraid of him or hate him. hes a human being for god sakes.

I thought this meant when someone is afraid of outdoors...not because of not liking gays

Well, let's see...I don't get excited when a guy and another guy start *beep* each other. I don't find it interesting nor something worth watching.

Now, give me two hot chicks licking each others *beep* and believe me...I'm going to get really excited. Now, why is it I don't like the guys doing each other? Heck! I dunno...I just know I like the two chicks over the guys. Figure it out yourself...am I a freak of nature? am I a weirdo for liking women over males? am I Homophobe? whatever....the fact is...I like chicks....I don't know why...I just do.

Would I be afraid of the two guys pulling a gun on me and forcing me to do a trio? Yeah, I would (which I seriously doubt in the real world someone would do sucha thing) would I be afraid of the two girls pulling a gun on me and forcing me to have sex? Oh hell NO! I'm game...take me and do away with me.

To summarize...."I don't like" does not imply "I fear". I don't like broccoli...and I have no reason to fear it.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, let's see...I don't get excited when a guy and another guy start *beep* each other. I don't find it interesting nor something worth watching.

Now, give me two hot chicks licking each others *beep* and believe me...I'm going to get really excited. Now, why is it I don't like the guys doing each other? Heck! I dunno...I just know I like the two chicks over the guys. Figure it out yourself...am I a freak of nature? am I a weirdo for liking women over males? am I Homophobe? whatever....the fact is...I like chicks....I don't know why...I just do.

Would I be afraid of the two guys pulling a gun on me and forcing me to do a trio? Yeah, I would (which I seriously doubt in the real world someone would do sucha thing) would I be afraid of the two girls pulling a gun on me and forcing me to have sex? Oh hell NO! I'm game...take me and do away with me.

To summarize...."I don't like" does not imply "I fear". I don't like broccoli...and I have no reason to fear it.

That....is not the issue, though.

At the Taco Bell in my town there is a cashier there who has facial hair like a goatee. It's real, real dark and kind of reminds me of a dog muzzle. Now she's one of the nicest fast-food employees in town and I have nothing against her and would probably respect her feelings if I knew her better, but I can't seem to look her in the face and often get my orders through the drive-through.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.

Originally posted by Bardock42
That....is not the issue, though.

I know...I just like to share myself with you guys.

Originally posted by botankus
At the Taco Bell in my town there is a cashier there who has facial hair like a goatee. It's real, real dark and kind of reminds me of a dog muzzle. Now she's one of the nicest fast-food employees in town and I have nothing against her and would probably respect her feelings if I knew her better, but I can't seem to look her in the face and often get my orders through the drive-through.

Just thought I'd throw that out there.


Yes!

Originally posted by vintageSW77
i dont like screaming queens
i dont fear them.....i just find them very annoying


That's kind of a universal thing, I think. Like that blonde guy on Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Anyone who tries so hard to fulfill the stereotype of a homosexual and over-uses words like fabulous or fierce just might need government re-education.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
I know...I just like to share myself with you guys.

But, no one's putting a gun to your head?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic




But, no one's putting a gun to your head?

Of course not Capt...that's why I commented on the real world.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Of course not Capt...that's why I commented on the real world.

So, if I had a gun, would you share yourself with me?

kinky ermm

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
So, if I had a gun, would you share yourself with me?

It depends....do you always keep your guns loaded and clean?

Loaded? Yes. Clean? That depends on if I've fired it today.

I don't know about homophobia, I mean...nothing wrong with gays generally..even paedobear approves of it:

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e211/YayPedoBear/bear19mm.gif

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Loaded? Yes. Clean? That depends on if I've fired it today.

Capt....I wouldn't doubt your word.

I disagree with the idea that homophobia means someone thinks they might be gay. Selfloathing is totally different. Homophobia is the fear of possibly becoming gay or society becoming predominantly gay.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Well, let's see...I don't get excited when a guy and another guy start *beep* each other. I don't find it interesting nor something worth watching.

Now, give me two hot chicks licking each others *beep* and believe me...I'm going to get really excited. Now, why is it I don't like the guys doing each other? Heck! I dunno...I just know I like the two chicks over the guys. Figure it out yourself...am I a freak of nature? am I a weirdo for liking women over males? am I Homophobe? whatever....the fact is...I like chicks....I don't know why...I just do.

Would I be afraid of the two guys pulling a gun on me and forcing me to do a trio? Yeah, I would (which I seriously doubt in the real world someone would do sucha thing) would I be afraid of the two girls pulling a gun on me and forcing me to have sex? Oh hell NO! I'm game...take me and do away with me.

To summarize...."I don't like" does not imply "I fear". I don't like broccoli...and I have no reason to fear it. You don't need to watch gay porn to not be homophobic. I still haven't seen Broke Back Mountain, half because I haven't had the oppurtunity, and half because I think I might get sick when that famous scene when they start butt fcuking comes on.

Originally posted by Marxman
I disagree with the idea that homophobia means someone thinks they might be gay. Selfloathing is totally different. Homophobia is the fear of possibly becoming gay or society becoming predominantly gay.
You don't need to watch gay porn to not be homophobic. I still haven't seen Broke Back Mountain, half because I haven't had the oppurtunity, and half because I think I might get sick when that famous scene when they start butt fcuking comes on.

I haven't seen it because honestly, I don't want to watch a movie where two guys are getting it on

Does that make me homophobic? No, it just means I don't want to watch two guys have sex

i just dont understand how a man can find another man attracitve. i mean shit when i see a chick i pop a boner hell if 2 chicks make out i get excited. maybe thats why homosexuality is a born thing.

Originally posted by Grimm22
I haven't seen it because honestly, I don't want to watch a movie where two guys are getting it on

Does that make me homophobic? No, it just means I don't want to watch two guys have sex Is it because you're afraid that it might turn you gay?naughty

Brokeback Mountain was a great movie. They don't show them having sex...........the most graphic it gets is the two guys passionately kissing, which you can also watch Trey Parker and Matt Stone do at the end of BaseketBall.............

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I think what you are talking about is plain Heterosexism evil dead


Yeah, heterosexist is someone who subscribes to the concept of hetero-normativity. I do.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Brokeback Mountain was a great movie. They don't show them having sex...........the most graphic it gets is the two guys passionately kissing, which you can also watch Trey Parker and Matt Stone do at the end of BaseketBall.............

Oh...so it just shows two guys necking really hard, I see. So is that supposed to make me wanna see it?? No thanks.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, heterosexist is someone who subscribes to the concept of hetero-normativity. I do.



Oh...so it just shows two guys necking really hard, I see. So is that supposed to make me wanna see it?? No thanks. No, the story and the message of tolerance and the stars are supposed to make you watch it, apparently don't, no biggie.

Originally posted by Bardock42
No, the story and the message of tolerance and the stars are supposed to make you watch it, apparently don't, no biggie.

Um...no thanks.

For the money it costs to rent that movie I could buy two Colt 45's at Circle-K.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Um...no thanks.

For the money it costs to rent that movie I could buy two Colt 45's at Circle-K.

Probably a better investment given your state of mind.

The movie is actually funny as hell, and the random kissing is uh... random.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, heterosexist is someone who subscribes to the concept of hetero-normativity. I do.



Oh...so it just shows two guys necking really hard, I see. So is that supposed to make me wanna see it?? No thanks.



Originally posted by Bardock42
No, the story and the message of tolerance and the stars are supposed to make you watch it, apparently don't, no biggie.

http://cellar.org/2007/equality.jpg

Originally posted by Marxman
I disagree with the idea that homophobia means someone thinks they might be gay. Selfloathing is totally different. Homophobia is the fear of possibly becoming gay or society becoming predominantly gay.
You don't need to watch gay porn to not be homophobic. I still haven't seen Broke Back Mountain, half because I haven't had the oppurtunity, and half because I think I might get sick when that famous scene when they start butt fcuking comes on.

I've seen movies in which a guy does a felation on another guy. One of them is called Pink Flamingos. Those scenes don't bother me. Nor do they excite me...however, the whole movie was one the funniest and dirties movie I ever saw. Brokeback Mountain was one HELL of a boring movie. Damn overrated IMO. A love story and it felt like watching Titanic all over again. I think my taste buds reject anything that involves romantic bs.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
Brokeback Mountain was a great movie. They don't show them having sex...........the most graphic it gets is the two guys passionately kissing, which you can also watch Trey Parker and Matt Stone do at the end of BaseketBall.............


It was a great movie. It was sad and realistic.


This is the first time I saw a gay-themed movie which wasn't flashy, stereotypical, or over idealistic.


Yes, it is very romantic, and some people don't like that, or can't imagine romance existing between two men (most people are ignorant to the point where they think there can only be raunchy dirty sex between two men and nothing more)






Originally posted by Quiero pene
Yeah, heterosexist is someone who subscribes to the concept of hetero-normativity. I do.





That's fine,cuz it's not the same thing as Homophobia. But Heterosexism is a delusion.

When are you going to realize that "normal" doesn't really exist ? Every psychologist will tell you Normal is simply a term which regards to the majority's opinion, and has no meaning in reality.


Nature has no "normal" since nature is ever changing and even sporadic at times.





Secondly, your heterosexist stance is still a form or prejudice. A weak form, but a form nonetheless.


Heterosexism is the same thing as mild racism:


"I have nothing against Mexicans. They are good people. I just don't want my daughter dating one, that's all."



or like saying:



"I'm not anti-black. I'm just pro-white"







Thank you to Sithsaber for inspiring that one.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That's fine,cuz it's not the same thing as Homophobia. But Heterosexism is a delusion.

When are you going to realize that "normal" doesn't really exist ? Every psychologist will tell you Normal is simply a term which regards to the majority's opinion, and has no meaning in reality.


Nature has no "normal" since nature is ever changing and even sporadic at times.


I know. Normal is a human social construct. But the concept of what is and isnt considered normal does exist.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
ISecondly, your heterosexist stance is still a form or prejudice. A weak form, but a form nonetheless.


Yeah, I know.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I know. Normal is a human social construct. But the concept of what is and isnt considered normal does exist.


So you voluntarily empower a concept you know has no real meaning ? For what reason ?





Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, I know.



So then why embrace that kind of stance ?



It would be hypocritical of you to critisize a racist person.

Well, being a Theatre major in college, I know plenty of gay guys ermm

Seriously though, the term 'homophobia' is entirely inaccurate. It's not a fear, it's an irrational hatred. And Urizen is a little off the mark when he says it's "fear of being gay" What the hell?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So you voluntarily empower a concept you know has no real meaning ? For what reason ?


The word normal does have a meaning, and you know that.


Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So then why embrace that kind of stance ?


I embrace it because I consider being straight to be normal.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
It would be hypocritical of you to critisize a racist person.

Racism and heterosexism don't correlate, so thats a flawed question. I've never heard any one say "Being Asian is MORE normal than being Black"...or anything connecting race to being normal.

Originally posted by Strangelove
And Urizen is a little off the mark when he says it's "fear of being gay" What the hell?

A little off the mark??

Originally posted by sithsaber408




http://cellar.org/2007/equality.jpg

I see your quest to be less patronizing and more understanding is a riotous success. Cheers, good for you.


Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Oh...so it just shows two guys necking really hard, I see. So is that supposed to make me wanna see it?? No thanks.

Rather than acting like seeing it might be a threat to your machismo, why don't you just say you don't wanna see it because it sucks? Which it does.

I'm a bisexual i love everyone! As long as they are a taker.

Originally posted by The Libertine
I'm a bisexual i love everyone! As long as they are a taker.

Wow, haven't you put all tops in their place!

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Wow, haven't you put all tops in their place!

Of course, giving is where it's at. It supports this in the Bible and I am very generous. I also love my fellow man very deeply.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Well, being a Theatre major in college, I know plenty of gay guys ermm

Seriously though, the term 'homophobia' is entirely inaccurate. It's not a fear, it's an irrational hatred. And Urizen is a little off the mark when he says it's "fear of being gay" What the hell?


When did I say fear of being gay ?



I said some forms of Homophobia are men who fear thier image of masculinity will be threatened by association with Gays....which is true.


Other forms of Homophobia extend to "fear of turning Gay"



While general Homophobia is simply intense dislike and disgust from Homosexuality/Homosexuals.




There are different types of Homophobia.

Originally posted by The Libertine
I'm a bisexual i love everyone! As long as they are a taker.


Same here

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Same here

pump that rump my friend! You know it makes sense.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
When did I say fear of being gay ?



I said some forms of Homophobia are men who fear thier image of masculinity will be threatened by association with Gays....which is true.


Other forms of Homophobia extend to "fear of turning Gay"



While general Homophobia is simply intense dislike and disgust from Homosexuality/Homosexuals.




There are different types of Homophobia.

Exactly it sounds like denial to me! All straight guys are secretly gay or bi.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Rather than acting like seeing it might be a threat to your machismo, why don't you just say you don't wanna see it because it sucks? Which it does.

I don't know if the movie sucks (no pun intended) because I havent seen it and I don't intend to.

I dont like romance films/love stories to begin with, and especially not one between two dudes.

Originally posted by The Libertine
Of course, giving is where it's at. It supports this in the Bible and I am very generous. I was taking a sip of soda as I was reading this and it came out of my nose when I was done reading.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
When did I say fear of being gay ?



I said some forms of Homophobia are men who fear thier image of masculinity will be threatened by association with Gays....which is true.


Other forms of Homophobia extend to "fear of turning Gay"



While general Homophobia is simply intense dislike and disgust from Homosexuality/Homosexuals.




There are different types of Homophobia. Well, obviously fear of 'turning gay' is just stupid.

Homophobia is not really an actual fear. It's simply a hatred of homosexuals. Which includes lesbians, and no one has made mention of that except WD. Because lesbians obviously pose no threat to masculinity

Originally posted by Marxman
I still haven't seen Broke Back Mountain, half because I haven't had the oppurtunity, and half because I think I might get sick when that famous scene when they start butt fcuking comes on.





Christ, you all make it sound like it is a gay bit of pornography or something. It isn't. In fact it has a lot less sex then some of the crap that Hollywood produces, the kind of films where at some point the producer has gone "hey, our film sucks, lets shoehorn some sex in and maybe they won't notice."

If you don't like romance chances are you wouldn't like it - not because of the gay aspect, but because it is romance. But it seems more then a little juvenile to say "I won't see it because because the gay sex might make me sick." Especially as you don't really see anything - it made me laugh that in some places people had to emphasise how "tasteful" it was so people wouldn't get all tied up thinking "oh my God - a gay romance. Clearly it will be wall to wall Gay erotica."

It is as if some people out there think gay people are unable to have a romantic story of filmatic quality and up there with the great straight romance films. Oh wait.... there are people like that. Carry on.

you guys really consider Brokeback Mountain a romance film? I always viewed it as a tragedy........

Well, it's a tragic romance. Star-crossed lovers.... hmm

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
It isn't. In fact it has a lot less sex then some of the crap that Hollywood produces, the kind of films where at some point the producer has gone "hey, our film sucks, lets shoehorn some sex in and maybe they won't notice."


Yeah, thats really common. Two recent examples of that I can think of are Underworld 2 and Miami Vice.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
If you don't like romance chances are you wouldn't like it - not because of the gay aspect, but because it is romance. But it seems more then a little juvenile to say "I won't see it because because the gay sex might make me sick." Especially as you don't really see anything - it made me laugh that in some places people had to emphasise how "tasteful" it was so people wouldn't get all tied up thinking "oh my God - a gay romance. Clearly it will be wall to wall Gay erotica."

It is as if some people out there think gay people are unable to have a romantic story of filmatic quality and up there with the great straight romance films. Oh wait.... there are people like that. Carry on.

Two dudes kissing aren't gonna make me lose my lunch; I'd just rather not see it. (that shouldn't be too hard to understand)

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, thats really common. Two recent examples of that I can think of are Underworld 2 and Miami Vice.

Exactly.



Not saying it would (that was more to do with what one of the others posters said) but I was, in part, getting at the fact it isn't just "two dudes kissing" for the entire run time. There is kind of a movie going on at the same time. And I don't think there would be that many people who would want to see it for that reason alone. But it seems like there are more then a few people who don't want to see it for that reason.

I mean sure - bad acting, boring, bad direction, little plot, terrible plot, awful special effects etc - I can accept such reasons for disliking a movie, or avoiding it. But some of the reasons I have heard when it comes to Brokeback Mountain are just strange.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Christ, you all make it sound like it is a gay bit of pornography or something. It isn't. In fact it has a lot less sex then some of the crap that Hollywood produces, the kind of films where at some point the producer has gone "hey, our film sucks, lets shoehorn some sex in and maybe they won't notice."

If you don't like romance chances are you wouldn't like it - not because of the gay aspect, but because it is romance. But it seems more then a little juvenile to say "I won't see it because because the gay sex might make me sick." Especially as you don't really see anything - it made me laugh that in some places people had to emphasise how "tasteful" it was so people wouldn't get all tied up thinking "oh my God - a gay romance. Clearly it will be wall to wall Gay erotica."

It is as if some people out there think gay people are unable to have a romantic story of filmatic quality and up there with the great straight romance films. Oh wait.... there are people like that. Carry on. I was just misinformed on the movie. I was told there was a scene where they're in a tent making out and Heath flips Jake over and starts ramming his ass. I don't really like anal, male on male, or male on female. It makes my butt hole hurt. Kinda like seeing another guy getting kicked in the balls.

Plus, I may not be all "GH3N355 15 3V1L!" I don't care what people do behind closed doors. But yea...keep it behind closed doors. And its not like I'm "AHHH TEH COK!!!" cuz I watch hetero porn. But now I feel like I'm having to defend myself, so I'll just leave it at that.

Originally posted by Marxman
I was just misinformed on the movie. I was told there was a scene where they're in a tent making out and Heath flips Jake over and starts ramming his ass. I don't really like anal, male on male, or male on female. It makes my butt hole hurt. Kinda like seeing another guy getting kicked in the balls.

Plus, I may not be all "GH3N355 15 3V1L!" I don't care what people do behind closed doors. But yea...keep it behind closed doors. And its not like I'm "AHHH TEH COK!!!" cuz I watch hetero porn. But now I feel like I'm having to defend myself, so I'll just leave it at that.


Your "keep it behind closed doors" applies to both homosexuality and heterosexuality, correct?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah, thats really common. Two recent examples of that I can think of are Underworld 2 and Miami Vice.If they wanted to make up for Underworld 2, they'd have had to put a lot more than one sex scene in there

Originally posted by Strangelove
If they wanted to make up for Underworld 2, they'd have had to put a lot more than one sex scene in there

Don't say that, it'll give them ideas for a third, which I can't help but imagine them calling "Underwear 3: The Sexing." Or something.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Don't say that, it'll give them ideas for a third, which I can't help but imagine them calling "Underwear 3: The Sexing." Or something. There's already plans for a third. I don't think that's the subtitle they're looking for though

Originally posted by Bardock42
Your "keep it behind closed doors" applies to both homosexuality and heterosexuality, correct? To a degree. I don't care for public displays of affection. A quick kiss when meeting or leaving is ok, even when gays or lesbians do it. I hate deep kissing though when you're around other people. I just get weirded out by it.

But its not like my sexual growth is stunted or anything. I still watch porn and all that. I'm just not down with PDAs of the nature I described and not down with anal, or any kind of porn that looks painful for that matter.

Forget Brokeback Mountain. Before it came out, the closest thing to that issue was The Crying Game, which I can honestly say was one of the best movies (IMO) in the last 15 years. For years, anytime the film's title was mentioned, everyone screamed bloody murder and asked everyone if they threw up during the infamous scene. Yes, I didn't particularly care for seeing that dude's schlong, but it didn't ruin the movie, and considering it had a heavy gay undertone, it hardly deterred from its credibility one iota.

I haven't seen Kings of Scotland, but Forrest Whitaker gave an Oscar-caliber performance in The Crying Game.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
you guys really consider Brokeback Mountain a romance film? I always viewed it as a tragedy........

Yeah, so is Romeo and Juliet...and it bore the hell out of me.



Don't forget Philadelphia.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Don't forget Philadelphia.

Kinda, generally, different, approach and stuff. Though gay men in that. Indeed.

Originally posted by The Libertine
Of course, giving is where it's at. It supports this in the Bible and I am very generous. I also love my fellow man very deeply.



Genius

Originally posted by Marxman
I was taking a sip of soda as I was reading this and it came out of my nose when I was done reading.

I agree, the cleverest funniest post on here in ages!

Holy sh*t, it's Cindy Bear!!

How'd you escape from that bumbling Ranger Smith at Jellystone? I also need to know one thing...is Yogi really that good in the sack, er, I mean cave?

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Yeah, so is Romeo and Juliet...and it bore the hell out of me.


next time watch Tromeo and Juliet......much better.

Philadelphia had Antonio Banderas droolio



8=====D







...and that other guy....Tom Panks ?

I like watching Yogi and Booboo go at it. It gets me hot!!!

Originally posted by botankus
Holy sh*t, it's Cindy Bear!!

How'd you escape from that bumbling Ranger Smith at Jellystone? I also need to know one thing...is Yogi really that good in the sack, er, I mean cave?

Yes Yogi is an animal!! As for Ranger Smith. Ask him yourself he is a member nd very friendly!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=106186

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
Yes Yogi is an animal!! As for Ranger Smith. Ask him yourself he is a member nd very friendly!!

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=106186
Your whole family invaded KMC. That's pretty scary. I've always wanted to know one thing...where's your top?

Originally posted by botankus
Your whole family invaded KMC. That's pretty scary. I've always wanted to know one thing...where's your top?


Yogi got banned for spamming both Booboo and I have had temp bans for member bashing, our friend Hair Bear rode in on the invisible motorcycle and got banned, I don't know what for! I am a slutty bear I don't have to wear clothes at all if I don't want to.

Since this is the homophobia thread and all, what would happen if Cindy Bear turned gay? Who would she shack up with at Jellystone?

Originally posted by botankus
Since this is the homophobia thread and all, what would happen if Cindy Bear turned gay? Who would she shack up with at Jellystone?

Yogi and Booboo are gay but I got in trouble for describing our threesomes in another thread so I won't here. Other female bears live in the park like Babsy bear and I have a sister Brandy Bear, we used to do stuff to each other when we were little more than cubs. She's hot!!

So your a peadophile bear ?

I have Homophobia But I face my fears and battle them.

Originally posted by Smiter
I have Homophobia But I face my fears and battle them.


REALLY ?

I didn't know that...I thought we were BUTT BUDDIES droolio

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So your a peadophile bear ?

Booboo is not a child he's in his 60's now our show was axed about 45 years ago. Being cartoon characters we just don't show our age like regular folks!

Originally posted by Cindy Bear
Booboo is not a child he's in his 60's now our show was axed about 45 years ago. Being cartoon characters we just don't show our age like regular folks!


I used to think Cartoons were hott.....anime porn was once the sh*t...i had the biggest crush on Goku and Gohan....yaoi rocks !


But now im kinda over it...you know, the real thing is kinda ...i duno...better.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
why are people who don't like gay people called homophobic?

a phobia is a fear........how is a dislike for something equated with being afraid of it? I don't like chicken liver, I'm not afraid of it. I don't like people who talk during movies, I'm not afraid of them.

some people don't like homosexuals because of their religious and/or moral beliefs or maybe because they just flat out don't approve of the acts they engage in (much like me not liking people who talk during movies)...........

I have no problem with gay people. Their all pretty nice for the most part. I was just wondering why the term "homophobic" is used at all....

Some ppl just don't understand. I admire all forms of life.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
I used to think Cartoons were hott.....anime porn was once the sh*t...i had the biggest crush on Goku and Gohan....yaoi rocks !


But now im kinda over it...you know, the real thing is kinda ...i duno...better.

Booboo is the real thing trust me, you know what they say about little guys. He makes up for his deficit in height.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
REALLY ?

I didn't know that...I thought we were BUTT BUDDIES droolio

We are! but I am overcoming my homophobia.

Hmm... so is this the "Let's all agree we aren't homophobic" thread?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
This is the first time I saw a gay-themed movie which wasn't flashy, stereotypical, or over idealistic.


What about The Birdcage?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
What about The Birdcage?

Have you SEEN The Birdcage?!
I mean sure there were some gay guys who could pass for straight in it, but... I think Brokeback Mountain may be the first non-pr0n gay themed movie that didn't reature a single screaming queen.

Originally posted by Cindy Bear


Genius

I agree, the cleverest funniest post on here in ages!

I have seen some sychophantic socks in my time, but that is just sad. And weren't you "claiming" to be new? Yet you are commenting on posts in the past?



True, The Crying Game is an exceptional film. And I think Whitaker was excellent in The Last King of Scotland - it would have been nice to see O'Toole finally get an Oscar, but I can't fault them for giving it to Whitaker.

Originally posted by Evil Dead
why are people who don't like gay people called homophobic?

a phobia is a fear........how is a dislike for something equated with being afraid of it? I don't like chicken liver, I'm not afraid of it. I don't like people who talk during movies, I'm not afraid of them.

some people don't like homosexuals because of their religious and/or moral beliefs or maybe because they just flat out don't approve of the acts they engage in (much like me not liking people who talk during movies)...........

I have no problem with gay people. Their all pretty nice for the most part. I was just wondering why the term "homophobic" is used at all....
'Cause people are dumb.

Literally, homophobia means "fear of the same." However, saying "homophobic" is a lot easier than saying "having a fear of homosexuals."

Originally posted by Bardiel13
Have you SEEN The Birdcage?!
I mean sure there were some gay guys who could pass for straight in it, but... I think Brokeback Mountain may be the first non-pr0n gay themed movie that didn't reature a single screaming queen.
FJ dragged me to that movie. i was surprised that i actually got into the story. not that bad of a movie, i must say.

The reason it's called Homophobia, is because it's an ignorant hatred. And they mostly stem from fear of something people don't understand.

well said. same with racism and people hating a certain religion even when they know nothing about it.

Originally posted by Marxman
Is it because you're afraid that it might turn you gay?naughty

No, i'm afraid I might turn into a cowboy

nowadays the stereotype points to it being the same.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well said. same with racism and people hating a certain religion even when they know nothing about it.

passion

are we making out now? sweeeeeeeettttt.......

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
well said. same with racism and people hating a certain religion even when they know nothing about it.



Yes, it is the same as Racism. Try telling Quiero Mota that, who insists that Racism is worse.

Pedophile bear...almost like...PEDOBEAR.

Racism isn't the same as homophobia--in fact, it's not even analogous.

Racism is the belief that one's race is inherently superior to other races. Homophobia has little to do with one's views on how heterosexuals and homosexuals are in comparison to one another.

If one has prejudicial negative views of a particular race or races and /or holds an intolerance towards said race or races, it's generally referred to as racism.

If one has prejudicial negative views of a particular sexuality and/or holds an intolerance towards said sexuality, however inaccurate the etymology, it's generally referred to as homophobia.

I think I can see the inkling of a parallel in there somewhere, if I squint my eyes just so.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If one has prejudicial negative views of a particular race or races and /or holds an intolerance towards said race or races, it's generally referred to as racism.
"Generally referred to," much in the same way that one might refer to an avid reader as being educated.

Originally posted by FeceMan
"Generally referred to," much in the same way that one might refer to an avid reader as being educated. Very well then, feel free to define both racism and homophobia as you would refer to them and point out the notable distinctions between holding discriminatory views against a particular group of people because of their level of melanogenesis and discriminatory views against a particular group of people because of their sexual attraction. Oops was that me drawing parallels again, silly me.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Very well then, feel free to define both racism and homophobia as you would refer to them
You mean in a correct manner? I shall continue to do so.

Fear/hatred of gays != believing one's race is superior to other races.

Originally posted by FeceMan
You mean in a correct manner? I shall continue to do so.

Fear/hatred of gays != believing one's race is superior to other races. That's an incredibly limited definition of both racism and homophobia. Irrational hatred of another race wouldn't be considered racism then I presume... so as to avoid any possible parallel with the irrational hatred of homosexuality. Because we wouldn't want discrimination against homosexuality, in it's many and varied forms, to be construed as similar to that awful racism thing.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That's an incredibly limited definition of both racism and homophobia. Irrational hatred of another race wouldn't be considered racism then I presume... so as to avoid any possible parallel with the irrational hatred of homosexuality. Because we wouldn't want discrimination against homosexuality, in it's many and varied forms, to be construed as similar to that awful racism thing.
Irrational hatred would be a product of racism.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Irrational hatred would be a product of racism. So irrational hatred of a particular race is a derivative of racism, but is not in fact racism itself. Homophobia, which you've decided to define as solely (presumably irrational) hatred of homosexuality is a derivative of what then?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So irrational hatred of a particular race is a derivative of racism, but is not in fact racism itself. Homophobia, which you've decided to define as solely (presumably irrational) hatred of homosexuality is a derivative of what then?
I took the definitions from my sociology book. I write only what it says.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Homophobia has little to do with one's views on how heterosexuals and homosexuals are in comparison to one another.





OH GOD HOW STUPID IS THIS DUDE ?!?!??!

Originally posted by Lord Urizen



OH GOD HOW STUPID IS THIS DUDE ?!?!??!

You realize your hypocrisy, right?

Though I disagree as well. It has pretty much everything to do with it.

Originally posted by Bardock42
You realize your hypocrisy, right?







Originally posted by Bardock42
Though I disagree as well. It has pretty much everything to do with it.


That's because you have the ability to separate fact from your own biases...something Feceman (like most christians and conservatives) severely lack.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
something Feceman (like most christians and conservatives) severely lack.

The only problem I have with Fece is that he's never used his username to his advantage. With a username themed around sewage, the possibilities should be endless! No, day in and day out, it's the same "Master of Excrements" and "A toilet bowl." (with the period at the end of it, mind you), as well as that green guy that keeps running and running and running...

Originally posted by botankus
The only problem I have with Fece is that he's never used his username to his advantage. With a username themed around sewage, the possibilities should be endless! No, day in and day out, it's the same "Master of Excrements" and "A toilet bowl." (with the period at the end of it, mind you), as well as that green guy that keeps running and running and running...



No, I think his name reflects well on him...he's literally, full of shit

......

Originally posted by Lord Urizen


OH GOD HOW STUPID IS THIS DUDE ?!?!??!
Homophobia is the product of views analogous to racism. Prejudice is the product of racism. Racism is a cause, homophobia is an effect.

And, Bardock, I think it's more ironic than hypocritical.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No, I think his name reflects well on him...he's literally, full of shit
Wow, it's almost as though I've not heard that one a hundred times.

GAy people?

they will one day be the majority, not the minority. whatever

Originally posted by FeceMan
Homophobia is the product of views analogous to racism. Prejudice is the product of racism. Racism is a cause, homophobia is an effect.



Racism is an effect just like Homophobia is. People are racist for different reasons: (economical, territorial, superficial, cultural, etc.)


Prejudice/Bias is the cause of Racism/Homophobia. They are one in the same.


They are both prejudices against a person for something he or she cannot help. Prejudices against a person for what he or she is



IF a man is murdered because he is:


a) black
b) gay




There really is no true difference there. There is no "better" or "worse" situation. The situation would be the same either way, because in the end a man was murdered for being who he was.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Racism is an effect just like Homophobia is. People are racist for different reasons: (economical, territorial, superficial, cultural, etc.)
Racism is a belief that one's own race is superior to other races. People who believe racism are racists.

I despise myself for using the term, but you're looking for the word "heterosexism." That's what causes homophobia. Racism causes prejudice/discrimination against people of other races.

I'm not sure why you pulled morality into this.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Racism is a belief that one's own race is superior to other races. People who believe racism are racists.



That is one type of Racism....Racism can be as grandiose as that, it can also be as little as, "i dont want my daughter date black people"




Originally posted by FeceMan
I despise myself for using the term, but you're looking for the word "heterosexism." That's what causes homophobia. Racism causes prejudice/discrimination against people of other races.


Heterosexism does not cause Homophobia. Heterosexism is another form of prejudice against Gays, but its weaker.


Racism and Homophobia are a type of prejudice. Neither cause prejudice, they are already types of prejudices.





Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm not sure why you pulled morality into this.


Do you feel Racism and Homophobia have nothing to do with morality ? I find it surprising that you of all people would not thnk morality was involved...

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That is one type of Racism....Racism can be as grandiose as that, it can also be as little as, "i dont want my daughter date black people"


Not particularly , there could be several different circumstances surrounding that opinion.

Originally posted by grey fox
Not particularly , there could be several different circumstances surrounding that opinion.


Racism is often caused by different circumstances.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
That is one type of Racism....Racism can be as grandiose as that, it can also be as little as, "i dont want my daughter date black people"
That would be the result of racism.

You don't know the definition of "heterosexism."

No, racism is belief.

I never said anything about the involvement of morality--you pulled it in there for whatever reason, and we're talking definitions.

Definition of Racism"



1) The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.


2) Discrimination or prejudice based on race.






Definition of Homophobia"


1) Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.


2) Behavior based on such a feeling.




Heterosexism



-Discrimination or prejudice against lesbians or gay men by heterosexual people.



An earlier definition of this term is: Heterosexism is a belief or argument that male-female sexuality is the only natural, normal, or moral mode of sexual behavior, and is also used to refer to the effects of that instinct. The word 'heterosexualism' has also been proposed to mean essentially the same thing. This word has been suggested as an alternative to homophobia , in part because it uses a parallel structure to sexism or racism. The intent of heterosexism is the examination of the cultural bias towards non-heterosexuals rather than individual bias, which is the focus of homophobia.

I'm going by what is written in my liberal sociology book. As it is a sociology book, its definitions count for more than dictionary.com's definitions since it was, you know, written by specialists in sociology, in which racism and homophobia are studied.

Well the fact you can't even get passed it without screaming "liberal" is a sign that maybe you can't be objective.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm going by what is written in my liberal sociology book. As it is a sociology book, its definitions count for more than dictionary.com's definitions since it was, you know, written by specialists in sociology, in which racism and homophobia are studied.



MY sociology book says otherwise




Really....do you rely on what other people say about Racism and Homophobia when it is all around you and clear as day ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
MY sociology book says otherwise




Really....do you rely on what other people say about Racism and Homophobia when it is all around you and clear as day ?
I rely on experts, not the opinion of some half-troll forumite.

You know, I really should do something more with my name. Here I am, all poopie and whatnot, and yet I'm stuck with the same ol' running demon. Maybe I'll recolor him to brown and yellow. Then I'll change my location to "a rectum" or something.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I rely on experts, not the opinion of some half-troll forumite.


You know every sociology book will say something different about racism and homophobia....right ?

Originally posted by FeceMan
You know, I really should do something more with my name. Here I am, all poopie and whatnot, and yet I'm stuck with the same ol' running demon. Maybe I'll recolor him to brown and yellow. Then I'll change my location to "a rectum" or something.


Hmmm... If your stool is yellow colored I'd go see a doctor, it could be something as benign as too much bile entering your lower intestines or it could be something severe like Hepatitis to Jaundice.

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o69/gangledupjoe/9b9276834elilsispool200zo3.jpg

Originally posted by Evil Dead
why are people who don't like gay people called homophobic?

a phobia is a fear........how is a dislike for something equated with being afraid of it? I don't like chicken liver, I'm not afraid of it. I don't like people who talk during movies, I'm not afraid of them.

some people don't like homosexuals because of their religious and/or moral beliefs or maybe because they just flat out don't approve of the acts they engage in (much like me not liking people who talk during movies)...........

I have no problem with gay people. Their all pretty nice for the most part. I was just wondering why the term "homophobic" is used at all.... Good question, I think the term is incorrectly used by many. (which has already been stated in previous post).

IMO, or the term could be used to make people feel bad or wrong, kind of like Reverse Psychology, as in your afraid of gays if you don't like them, which makes many say, I'm not afraid of anyone, so they become friends with homosexuals to prove that they are not afraid. So now it will be easier for homosexuals to make straight friends by incorrectly using this term.

i have a question for gay people. why do gay people care that some straight people dont like being around them? I'm not talking about straight people who verbally abuse gay people, just people who rather not be around them?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
i have a question for gay people. why do gay people care that some straight people dont like being around them? I'm not talking about straight people who verbally abuse gay people, just people who rather not be around them?

I assume because it incredibly insulting . . .

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You know every sociology book will say something different about racism and homophobia....right ?
I don't care. I'm a structural functionalist.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I assume because it incredibly insulting . . .

thats what i thought, but then i thought harder. how is it insulting?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
thats what i thought, but then i thought harder. how is it insulting?

Its insulting because people are avoiding you for no good reason.

If people fled from you wouldn't you be insulted?

Originally posted by FeceMan
I don't care. I'm a structural functionalist.

So you think these institutions are there only becuase society discusses them?

Originally posted by Alliance
So you think these institutions are there only becuase society discusses them?
No, I think they have a purpose and contribute to the overall stability of society.

You think racism and homophobia contribute to the stability of society?

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
i have a question for gay people. why do gay people care that some straight people dont like being around them? I'm not talking about straight people who verbally abuse gay people, just people who rather not be around them?

Because while they're being all politically correct in our presence, they're walking in to voting booths and casting a ballot for ignorance, misinterpretation, bigotry and inequity.

I couldn't give a rat's ass about how a bigot feels about me, in person or on the inside. But his vote counts. And even more importantly, his ability to exist in the same world as I do means a lot.

However, you'll find that most straight people with the real issues with gay people are less than willing to display them in public. They're scared to do so. I've been called a f@g from the back seat of a moving vehicle, but no one has had the balls to say it to my face. Except the homeless.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
i have a question for gay people. why do gay people care that some straight people dont like being around them? I'm not talking about straight people who verbally abuse gay people, just people who rather not be around them?

Becuase people are not allowed to socialy engineer elements out of society.

People said the same things about blacks in the 50's and 60's (and prior)

They care becuase its wrong. Its called denial.

thats a thick ass stormtrooper.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
thats a thick ass stormtrooper.


Thick.....


ASS....