Magic vs Might

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janus77
ultimately does physical/material power (might) stalemate supernatural power (magic) in the Marvel universes?

how do you quantify what magics would work against what non-magical powers?

are there any guidelines that can be drawn from existing comic evidence?

Martian_mind
Dr Strange,Thor,Odin.....they're all mystical in nature,and Strange is just about Marvels strongest hero.

don't shiv
magic = architect
might = crane

the crane is a static slave to magic

Symmetric Chaos
Magic everytime

psycho gundam
Can't cast spells with a busted mouth!

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by psycho gundam
Can't cast spells with a busted mouth!

Yes you can.

But you can't bust mouths with no body.

psycho gundam
but you cant bust bodies with no nonononononon ......(explosion!!!)

Acrosurge
I think the mystical side takes this. I can't think of any purely physical strength beings that can best Odin, Surtur, Agamotto, or other top tier mystical characters in battle or otherwise.

grey fox
With magic you can give yourself unlimited might.

jrodslam
Magic almost every time.

janus77
feh! magic sucks.

magic should be slow, plodding, unpredictable and weak in the face of true might... instead any geek with a spellbook can 'curbstomp' a Herald no expression


any non-magical characters that are immune to magic?
oh wait, I guess there's a spell to undo the universe no expression

freezedoom
Both. Without mystical powers, might doesn't exists.

janus77
but then Power Cosmic isn't Mystical in origin, it's material and cosmic isn't it?
Superman's not mystical, The Hulk's not mystical...

Acrosurge
Originally posted by janus77
but then Power Cosmic isn't Mystical in origin, it's material and cosmic isn't it?
Superman's not mystical, The Hulk's not mystical... I'm thinking this thread is in reference to physical strength vs mystical power. Mystical power is going to win out under those terms, since the guys best able to counter the top tier magic users (Odin, Inbetweener, Mephisto) don't rely on physical power (Galactus, The Phoenix Force).

As to your question, the Power Cosmic is a force (just as magic could be considered a force), but has been revealed to be more than material energy. It is Cosmic Energy, which may as well be placed in the same category as Magic.

grey fox
Originally posted by janus77
feh! magic sucks.

magic should be slow, plodding, unpredictable and weak in the face of true might... instead any geek with a spellbook can 'curbstomp' a Herald no expression


any non-magical characters that are immune to magic?
oh wait, I guess there's a spell to undo the universe no expression
It all matters ,because 'any geek with a spellbook' could be considered a low level wizard . Most herald get curbstomped by 'geeks with speelbook' because they (Heralds) dont understand magic (PC Being science based).

TricksterPriest
Though, Galactus was beating Agamotto in the vishanti's dimension. So PC can beat magic, it just depends on who's casting. Then again, that was Galactus....... but yeah, magic trumps almost everything else under abstract level.

starlock
of course its a stalemate,it has to do with training and skills,and experience
it can be said that stregnth would win,
a low experienced fighter meets a magic user with the same amount of training=one day
the fighter was given a sword and no lessons
magic user given a spell book and learned one spell-sneeze
who wins this confrontation?

grey fox
Originally posted by starlock
of course its a stalemate,it has to do with training and skills,and experience
it can be said that stregnth would win,

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/lex-luthor-wrong.jpg

Any person can punch another guy.

A goddamn sorcerer can bind a person in chain , give themselves insane strength , telepathic power ect ect.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by starlock

the fighter was given a sword and no lessons
magic user given a spell book and learned one spell-sneeze
who wins this confrontation?

Sorcerer.

The guy with sword starts sneezing uncontrolably and accidently kills himself.

janus77
you see, if there was any sort of proportion to things then silly things like Juggernaut's unstoppability would cease to exist.

instead, it would merely be a question of enough physical force being applied to resist Juggernaut's enchanted forward motion... basically say Juggernaut would get x amount of magical 'energy' from Cyttorak, which would translate to y amount of physical resistance. now a character like The Silver Surfer, would be able to produce the requisite physical force to stop and reverse Juggernaut but a more limited physical character like ... Colossus could not.

similarly a great sorcerer like Strange would be able to fully test a great physical power like Champion, because he could access the magic of powerful Gods (but only for a limited while).

magic should also not work instantaneously ... like physical force, it should gradually effect a character.
wotcha say peeps?


should we draft "Guidelines for the usage of Magic and miscellaneous plot devices" paper? we could sort these Marvel people out! yes

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