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frankly, i dont know much about merlyn...

so how would he do against strange?

sorceror supreme

VS

former omniversal guardian


who wins?

Strange.

in a curbstomp?

Merlyn. No doubt. The guy was the OG. original gangsta of this thing

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
frankly, i dont know much about merlyn...

so how would he do against strange?

sorceror supreme

VS

former omniversal guardian


who wins?

Merlyn

Merlyn in a curbstomp

Strange is so overrated nowdays on KMC...I mean he got owned recently by Ghost Rider.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Strange is so overrated nowdays on KMC...I mean he got owned recently by Ghost Rider.

Strange has been the most overrated character for a while.

Storm has been climbing up the Hype ladder aswell.

Originally posted by Rewmac
Strange is so overrated nowdays on KMC...I mean he got owned recently by Ghost Rider.

I have never like Bag of Tricks. Granted, he's powerful. Overrated, yes

you are seriously underestimating Strange.

agreed strange ftw

Originally posted by Mr Master
Strange has been the most overrated character for a while.

Storm has been climbing up the Hype ladder aswell.
Have you seen the posts by the guy who said Storm could do Galactus?? Can't remember the guy's name though...Wasn't paying much attention to that post.

According to Rutog, Storm is TOAA level.

Seriously, Merlyn doesn't seem to have the feats to beat someone like Strange.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
you are seriously underestimating Strange.

I never do. Merlyn's daughter is Roma. Strange studied under Ancient One. Ommiverse, I know a bit about that . Can DS beat Merlyn? IMHO, no.

What's merlyn done?

Originally posted by Rewmac
Have you seen the posts by the guy who said Storm could do Galactus?? Can't remember the guy's name though...Wasn't paying much attention to that post.



Storm could do Galactus??

Rutog and 2Damnloud.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Rutog and 2Damnloud.

Trickster, what is DS beat feat. I know he met LT and Eternity

Doctor Strange's best feat? Well he has a lot of them.

1. Resisting the power of the IG.
2. Defeating the In - Betweener (twice)
3. Defeating a hungry Galactus
4. Defeating and stealing the power of Shuma - Gorath who was a universal threat
5. Impressing the Living Tribunal with his power
6. Destroying a dimension/universe with only his own personal power
7. Defeating Zom, who was a multiversal threat
8. Merging with Eternity and defeating Death

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Doctor Strange's best feat? Well he has a lot of them.
Unfortunatly, you didn't list any that actualy happened.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
1. Resisting the power of the IG.
No, he TRIED to resist the power of the IG and was about to get KILLED!

Originally posted by Endless Mike
2. Defeating the In - Betweener (twice)
The first time Chaos and Order disabled IB's power...

And the second time Dr. strange got owned and retreated. What are you talking about?
Originally posted by Endless Mike
3. Defeating a hungry Galactus
You mean knocking him over?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
4. Defeating and stealing the power of Shuma - Gorath who was a universal threat
Don't know what you're refering to here...

Originally posted by Endless Mike
5. Impressing the Living Tribunal with his power
Okay, I'll give you that one.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
6. Destroying a dimension/universe with only his own personal power
Scan?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
7. Defeating Zom, who was a multiversal threat

Zom TOYED with Strange and cast off his best spells like nothing... LT defeated Zom, strange had nothing to do with it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
8. Merging with Eternity and defeating Death
Okay... Yeah, he kind of made death get bored and leave him alone I guess...

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, he TRIED to resist the power of the IG and was about to get KILLED!

By only the Power Gem no less.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU

sorceror supreme

VS

former omniversal guardian


who wins?

I'm assuming these are the characters at their best.


Merlyn literally manipulated the destiny of Multiverses

Power over Time, Space (Reality) & the Soul.

He's had tech that can erase any Universe in the Omniverse (Celestial Nullifier)



An expression of Merlyn's power.,



Energy Matrix empowered Merlyn created a Universe (Otherworld) from scrath.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2373/m1mu5.th.jpg
"I leaped into the Matrix ... was swept across the Multiverse as I struggled to tame it's Energies"



http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/773/m2sy6.th.jpg
"I Mastered the Energy Matrix and established Otherworld"




Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg
"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"




The Stralight Citidel alone holds Countless Dimensions

Just the HALL in the Starlight Citadel can fit Entire Planets:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2695/r4sr3.th.jpg
"BUT when Her CITADEL FALLS, that impossibly vast Space is suddenly crowded"

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2365/r5wo6.th.jpg
"With an inconceivable variety & number of species, as ALL the DIMENSIONS there are suddenly crash into one"





Merlyn created the Celestial Nullifier, which is within the Citidel

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1056/r8fu4.th.jpg
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST"

Necrom was literally collapsing the Multiverse, this was causing Captain Britain to absorb the power of Merlyn's Energy Matrix

http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/543/m3ty2.th.jpg




Then Meggan, Kitty Pride, Rachel Summers and Night Crawler Merge with Captain Britain to add different abilities to Captain Britain's power.

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/2556/m4ld1.th.jpg




ONLY Brian has the power of the Matrix, the others add versatility to his power.

"This is all too neat ... it can't be coincidence"
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/2705/m5yl8.th.jpg
"I know ... we are being Manipulated"



The Energy Matrix gives Brian the power to actually REVERSE the collapse,

he literally Rebuilds the Multiverse

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4830/m6zz9.th.jpg

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6646/m7gd7.th.jpg
"We have saved the Multiverse"




Guess who Manipulated the whole thing?

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/414/m8ff3.th.jpg


Respect Merlyn.

that's great and all mr m, merlyn being a master manipulator in the grand schemes of the multiverse...

i would like to know if merlyn has displayed powers in a one on one confrontation...

can he, like, take on beings such as say, dormmamu or, shuma-gorath in their realms...

or has he even been on a one on one confrontation...

i dont really know much about him, hence this thread...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
that's great and all mr m, merlyn being a master manipulator in the grand schemes of the multiverse...

i would like to know if merlyn has displayed powers in a one on one confrontation...

can he, like, take on beings such as say, dormmamu or, shuma-gorath in their realms...

or has he even been on a one on one confrontation...

i dont really know much about him, hence this thread...

With the power of the Energy Matrix, which is what he had,

he could literally Fold the Multiverse, or rebuild it as you saw in the scans.


Merlyn allowed Brian to absorb the power of His Matrix, to him it's all a game, it always has been

(just to see how events pay out)

Since back in the day playing a Chess Game with Roma which was linked to the Multiverse,

the wrong side loses the game, ... the Multiverse dies, it's as simple as that.

http://img349.imageshack.us/img349/1124/m20uy7.th.jpg
"The Game's disintegrating, but the MULTI-VERSE DEPENDS upon the GAME"


And this was only a training session for Roma, who was to replace him as Omniversal Guardian.



Bottom line:


Merlyn created a Universe from scrath (Otherworld)

Merlyn manipulated the Multiverse on a Chess Board,

and had other Boards floating around (other Multiverses I presume)

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/3724/m2nv7.th.jpg


As Merlin and Roma moved their Chess Pieces, Reality is Altered accordingly

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7885/m3yx7.th.jpg
Even Mad Jim Jaspers, (the Omniversal threat) is just One of their Game Pieces


and as I posted above with the Energy Matrix he can Rebuild the Multiverse,

which we saw through the actions of Brian and company.

regarding the chess game game wherein if the wrong side loses, the multiverse falls apart, does the LT have anything to say if the wrong side loses? will he just allow that?

the heirarchy and status in marvel is so cluttered and intertwined it makes our beaurocracy smooth in comparison, but meh, that's comics for you...

great scans btw...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
regarding the chess game game wherein if the wrong side loses, the multiverse falls apart, does the LT have anything to say if the wrong side loses? will he just allow that?

LT has no choice im assuming, (he was never mentioned)

they are after all the Omniversal guardians (they may be above LT in status)


"but you know where she lives right?"
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6999/r1mu7.th.jpg
are you demented, you're talking about the next best thing to GOD" (Omniversal Guardian)


They can do with Universes as they wish.


Merlin says,

"I've missed something, I ... of all people"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/9338/m5sz7.th.jpg
Roma responds,

"No one is infallible Father, sometimes I think a strong Wind will blow you over"

Merlin replies,

"Ah yes ... but I MAKE the Winds"


In other words, regardless of the peril, he's in charge.


Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
the heirarchy and status in marvel is so cluttered and intertwined it makes our beaurocracy smooth in comparison, but meh, that's comics for you...

I made a new Hierarchy that's based on what I believe it to be.

If you're interested:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_41-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore#post8494527



Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
great scans btw...

Thanx.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT has no choice im assuming, (he was never mentioned)

they are after all the Omniversal guardians (they may be above LT in status)


"but you know where she lives right?"
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6999/r1mu7.th.jpg
are you demented, you're talking about the next best thing to GOD" (Omniversal Guardian)


They can do with Universes as they wish.


Merlin says,

"I've missed something, I ... of all people"
http://img65.imageshack.us/img65/9338/m5sz7.th.jpg
Roma responds,

"No one is infallible Father, sometimes I think a strong Wind will blow you over"

Merlin replies,

"Ah yes ... but I MAKE the Winds"


In other words, regardless of the peril, he's in charge.




I made a new Hierarchy that's based on what I believe it to be.

If you're interested:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_41-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore#post8494527





Thanx.

I second that. Good scans, Mr M

Originally posted by Mr Master
I made a new Hierarchy that's based on what I believe it to be.

If you're interested:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/425758_41-everything-cosmic-in-marvel-the-hierarchy-battles-feats-q-a-scans-galore#post8494527
I noticed Scathan the Celestial isn't on the list...

I find it hard to believe that LT, the direct servant of TOAA, is going to get bossed around by Merlyn. I think it's more simple to believe that the writers just plain weren't interested in having LT in their stories.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I noticed Scathan the Celestial isn't on the list...

The Celestials (all of them) are lower tier Abstract types if you ask me.

I'll never accept that Scathan nonsense.


Originally posted by King Kandy
I find it hard to believe that LT, the direct servant of TOAA, is going to get bossed around by Merlyn. I think it's more simple to believe that the writers just plain weren't interested in having LT in their stories.

I never said he gets "bossed around" by anyone.

I said I'm assuming LT has no choice in the matter,

I also said, they might be above him in status


Which is plausible with all the power at their disposal.


LT represents TOAA, and Judges Realities with a Mystical imbalance of power.

LT is the second most powerful entity in Marvel.

LT can basically destroy any Reality that poses a threat to the balance.

LT can merge/transform a being into a Universe

LT can juggle Megaverses in a hand




Merlyn/Roma Guard all of Marvel (the Omniverse)

They can destroy any Reality in the Omniverse

Merlyn has created Universes (Otherworld and the Starlight Citidel within Otherworld that houses Countless dimesions/universes)

Merlyn is allowed to put the Multiverse in jeopardy just to train Roma,

actually the Omniverse, (I forgot BOTH Jaspers' ... who's existence was manipulated by Merlyn)

This almost suggest that Merlyn is on his own, and makes up his own rules concerning the Omniverse like a renegade.

with all due respect, i dont think merlyn would be close to LT powerwise...

in status, your reason is plausible, but in power, i think the multiversal judge is leaps and bounds above him...

IMO...

Are there any scans showing Merlin's history? Like how he attained his status?

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
with all due respect, i dont think merlyn would be close to LT powerwise...

in status, your reason is plausible, but in power,

I never said Merlyn is more powerful than LT.

Then again, I know LT can't touch Merlyn.


So the thought is inconsequential.


But Merlyn's range of influence goes just as far as LT's.

In other words, LT has immense power and jurisdiction, but so does Merlyn.



Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
i think the multiversal judge is leaps and bounds above him...

IMO...

I disagree.


While I agree that LT is more powerful than Merlyn,

there's not much that LT can do, that Merlyn can't,

in fact I'm willing to say there's almost nothing that LT can do,

that Merlyn can't.


I know LT & Merlyn inside out, I'm telling you, they have comparable feats.

Originally posted by Ethereal
Are there any scans showing Merlin's history? Like how he attained his status?

Nah,

from his inception he was Merlyn,

one of those always was kind of characters.


He's manipulated so many events through out his History, even the bio doesn't know much about Merlyn Origin.


He's first appearance On Panel he was already Merlyn the mighty.

That Multiversal Chess Boards arc was published in 1983.

The Omniverse while in existence was not part of the Marvel Mainstream at the time, confined in UK titles.

The Omniverse was established in Official Marvel continuity in Feb 1992.

Cool.
Seems to me Merlyn is closer to abstract scale than Skyfather.

Strange can't beat that guy.

I swear I've never heard of him.

Originally posted by Mr Master
By only the Power Gem no less.
Power Gem can do anything. In theory, it's got enough power to destroy many, many, many universes.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah,

from his inception he was Merlyn,

one of those always was kind of characters.


He's manipulated so many events through out his History, even the bio doesn't know much about Merlyn Origin.


He's first appearance On Panel he was already Merlyn the mighty.

That Multiversal Chess Boards arc was published in 1983.

The Omniverse while in existence was not part of the Marvel Mainstream at the time, confined in UK titles.

The Omniverse was established in Official Marvel continuity in Feb 1992.
I thought he obatained his status when he and Feron... You know, the omniverse connecter tower thingamajig?

Originally posted by King Kandy
I thought he obatained his status when he and Feron... You know, the omniverse connecter tower thingamajig?

I just went through madness finding the correct answer to this.

Apparently your're right.


The Excalibur issue recounts what took place eons ago evidently,

(Merlyn overcoming the Energy Matrix)


I know this to be true because in the Original Jaspers' Warp, Merlyn died on Otherworld,

and Otherworld was created with the power of the Energy Matrix.




This is Merlyn's very first appearance in a CB title:

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/8382/cb1uk6.th.jpg

"I am the beauty of the green Earth and the white Moon amongst the Stars"

"The mystery of the Waters, and the desire of the Heart of man"

"I am the Soul of Nature who giveth Life to the Universe"

"From me ... ALL Things proceed ... and unto me ... ALL Things must Return"

Claremont's Merlyn was pawned by Psylocke

Classic Merlyn defeats DS

Classic DS should defeat Claremont's Merlyn

There are many, many Merlins.

Do you mean the Excalibur one?

http://imgplace.com/image_bin/8257/8ee6d7894a16f669aae3a82a0ee3997b.jpg.th.jpg http://imgplace.com/image_bin/3023/a2ccf461f8e3b4f4910dbe04085b77a8.jpg.th.jpg http://imgplace.com/image_bin/3896/23f139b8ab9c0730088ea4432bb20851.jpg.th.jpg http://imgplace.com/image_bin/3002/8304ccc1f760cb526385c229faaf9194.jpg.th.jpg http://imgplace.com/image_bin/3650/5cee6e9007a6494100438661d46b8a7e.jpg.th.jpg http://imgplace.com/image_bin/4183/390b929cab1be14057ff87af5ed31635.jpg.th.jpg http://imgplace.com/image_bin/4718/263f1f3afe16a1f20427fe477e4caf42.jpg.th.jpg

Another low showing for Merlyn

It stops being a low showing when you have no good showings to start with.

Originally posted by Mr Master

I checked that Marvel cosmic hierarchy list you made.

Why is Oblivion above Multi-Eternity?

Originally posted by Mr Master
I'm assuming these are the characters at their best.


Merlyn literally manipulated the destiny of Multiverses

Power over Time, Space (Reality) & the Soul.

He's had tech that can erase any Universe in the Omniverse (Celestial Nullifier)



An expression of Merlyn's power.,



Energy Matrix empowered Merlyn created a Universe (Otherworld) from scrath.

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/2373/m1mu5.th.jpg
"I leaped into the Matrix ... was swept across the Multiverse as I struggled to tame it's Energies"



http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/773/m2sy6.th.jpg
"I Mastered the Energy Matrix and established Otherworld"




Merlyn created the Starlight Citidel:

http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/7106/r2ef3.th.jpg
"from this venue, the Guardian of Reality can view events on EVERY PLANE of the OMNIVERSE"




The Stralight Citidel alone holds Countless Dimensions

Just the HALL in the Starlight Citadel can fit Entire Planets:

http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/2695/r4sr3.th.jpg
"BUT when Her CITADEL FALLS, that impossibly vast Space is suddenly crowded"

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2365/r5wo6.th.jpg
"With an inconceivable variety & number of species, as ALL the DIMENSIONS there are suddenly crash into one"





Merlyn created the Celestial Nullifier, which is within the Citidel

"This Crystal embodies the LifeForce of your Home Dimension"
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/1056/r8fu4.th.jpg
"By breaking it, that Entire Portion of the Omniverse CEASES TO EXIST" but didnt he always use "outside tech" for all those feats (instead of his own power) ???

even the matrix he use was created by phenix force right??

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT has no choice im assuming, (he was never mentioned)

they are after all the Omniversal guardians (they may be above LT in status)so they're abstracts second only to TOAA?

iirc they said MJJ was more powerful then Merlin so this means he's the real #2 in marvelverse? (above LT and Eternity and the rest)

Dr Strange could just steal Merlyn's power or something

Originally posted by guy222

Another low showing for Merlyn
For Merlyn disconnected from the Energy Matrix you mean.

All the feats from the previous page,
are credited to Merlyn while merged to the Matrix,
which is what made him an Omniversal God!

This "new" Merlyn is inconsequential in comparison.
Originally posted by I'm Bran

It stops being a low showing when you have no good showings to start with.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer

I checked that Marvel cosmic hierarchy list you made.

Why is Oblivion above Multi-Eternity?
There's another Hierarchy further down the thread,
it's more precise, imo.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

but didnt he always use "outside tech" for all those feats
(instead of his own power) ???
No.

Merlyn was powerful on his own,
but no where near as powerful as he became once he merged with the Energy Matrix.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

even the matrix he use was created by phenix force right??
No, big, big NO!
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

so they're abstracts second only to TOAA?
Both the LT and the Omniversal guardians, can crack reality if need be,
the only difference is, the Guardians can do whatever they wish,
while the LT is governed by protocol.

LT is still the most powerful below TOAA.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

iirc they said MJJ was more powerful then Merlin
so this means he's the real #2 in marvelverse?
(above LT and Eternity and the rest)
I wouldn't say that, but it does prove how much of a beast Jaspers was.

I'll/we'll (for now) never know if Jaspers was actually more powerful than the LT,
he was surely going to dominate all reality (Eternity/Infinity)
had it not been for his personal anti-JJ plot device (the Fury)

But literally, no one ever came close to stopping Jaspers,
he was witnessed in a possible future controlling the Omniverse, (by Cobweb)
had the Fury not stopped him,
and Merlyn (while merged to the Matrix) stated,
that if Jaspers was not stopped (by the Fury of course)
a new God would play dice with the Omniverse's matter.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

Dr Strange could just steal Merlyn's power or something


You got jokes.

Wouldn't Oblivion ultimately be above all the other concepts? It was hinted in the Rune/SS story that Oblivion might be the LT's opposite.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlyn was powerful on his own,
but no where near as powerful as he became once he merged with the Energy Matrix.

No, big, big NO!oh

I couldve sworn he called the bird and ask it to create this whole stuff (matrix, citadel & the works) then he moved in & made himself guardian
the bird definitely had something to do with merlin becoming guardian iirc

so LT is appointed by TOAA (he's like the "legit" guardian) and Merlyn is what, self-appointed?

there cant be 2 guardians so why didn't LT just step in & put Merlyn back in his place ? (like fry his hands completely or just give himla cosmic spank & strip him of his powers or something. he did it with the Warlock dude who was completely omnipotent with the IG)

yeah but they gave him a stupid flaw. heck he couldn't even manipulate fury or even himself when they were in that non-reality thing, even tho their both real. go fig. this counts as PIS dont it?




btw LT didn't step in to stop MJJ either even tho its his job. some1 said it's only because he sees future so he knew the robot would stop MJJ but thats kinda weird xplanation IMO


Originally posted by Mr Master


You got jokes. hey why not Dr Strange is also a major plot device (power leech. even better then adaptation )