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Some posts I read in this forum make me think of this woman, does anyone know what her religion was? Also, are those that fit her profile (at least given their posts and apparent attitude) a part of the same religion? Does anyone feel she was correct in her actions and statements?

I couldn't find a decent explanation for her behaviors, if someone has a decent link feel free to post it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0MHK8ntKqk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr93SsqQAlY&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CgvgjfwyPs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKqMCSoBWzQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_TzXliYDvk&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWX5CKPYkps&mode=related&search=

What religion is she?

Apparently the only one.

Originally posted by Alliance
Apparently the only one. Like I said Originally posted by Regret
Some posts I read in this forum make me think of this woman

LethalFemme showed em that.

Scared me at first.


hysterical

The one in the orange is a bit hot, I wonder how old she is.

The six year old?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rE_9MovFiRo

Man... Some people are alive only because it's illegal to kill them.

Originally posted by Alliance
The six year old?

No

My mom said she didn't think it was right for the network(s) to exploit someone who was clearly mentally ill.

That's an embarrassment to Christianity. Wow.

Originally posted by FeceMan
My mom said she didn't think it was right for the network(s) to exploit someone who was clearly mentally ill.

Your mom is correct, however isn't that what the American TV and entertainment is all about?
Exploiting poor, mentaly ill, desparate people, who audiences cannot wait to get humiliated so they can get some sick pleasure out of getting people act in the most ridiculous ways?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your mom is correct, however isn't that what the American TV and entertainment is all about?
Exploiting poor, mentaly ill, desparate people, who audiences cannot wait to get humiliated so they can get some sick pleasure out of getting people act in the most ridiculous ways?

That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Like "Trading Spouses" expected a crazed religious woman to have an overzealous outburst such as she did. It's not fair to say that American TV is all about sick and twisted pleasures from mentally ill people.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Like "Trading Spouses" expected a crazed religious woman to have an overzealous outburst such as she did. It's not fair to say that American TV is all about sick and twisted pleasures from mentally ill people.

Ye but most of it is.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Like "Trading Spouses" expected a crazed religious woman to have an overzealous outburst such as she did. It's not fair to say that American TV is all about sick and twisted pleasures from mentally ill people.

Do you lack reading comprehantion?

As I stated, and as I will continue to stand by, American TV is all about humiliation of poor, desperate and mentaly ill (proof in a link above).
And whoever watches this DOES get some kind of sick pleasure out of watching people humiliate themselves over and over again.

People who got this women on the show, MUST have known what kind of a psychotic and extreme individal she is, and that is WHY she was picked to begin with.

The producers counted on her having an outburst and humiliating herself in front of millions, as that would burst ratings. They counted on her having such an outburst so everyone can be AMUSED by her behaviour.

What TV is about, is people getting hurt and humiliated! The worse humiliation, the worse injury, the better.

I have the great urge to smack her around the place.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Do you lack reading comprehantion?

No, but it appears you lack the ability to spell.



Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's ridiculous and irrelevant. Like "Trading Spouses" expected a crazed religious woman to have an overzealous outburst such as she did. It's not fair to say that American TV is all about sick and twisted pleasures from mentally ill people.


Uh, nope. I don't lack reading comprehension, it seems.



That's not fair to say. It's also unfair to label her psychotic. She is what we call a fanatic. How do they know she was going to act like this? Maybe she didn't act like this before. I didn't see her tweaking out in the vehicle.





So? Don't blame TV. Hell, I could fair up and say it is the fault of the watchers because of common interest to injury and abstract actions seen on TV. American TV Producers just play on that and give the audience what it truly wants, while boosting ratings.

It's a simple concept.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your mom is correct, however isn't that what the American TV and entertainment is all about?
Exploiting poor, mentaly ill, desparate people, who audiences cannot wait to get humiliated so they can get some sick pleasure out of getting people act in the most ridiculous ways?


Yeah pretty much....that's why I stick to porn droolio

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your mom is correct, however isn't that what the American TV and entertainment is all about?
Exploiting poor, mentaly ill, desparate people, who audiences cannot wait to get humiliated so they can get some sick pleasure out of getting people act in the most ridiculous ways?

Please grow up. Seriously.

Originally posted by Alliance
Please grow up. Seriously.

Originally posted by Alliance
Please grow up. Seriously.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
That's an embarrassment to Christianity. Wow.

Then I can safely say there are a whole lot of embarassments to Christianity.

I don't believe she was right in saying many of the things she said. she gave Witchcraft a bad name and made it sound so evil!

Originally posted by Alliance
Please grow up. Seriously.

What a fantastic way to refute my argument.

Right, let us evaluate American TV, and the reality shows, shall we.

America's Next Top Model, American Idol, The Hills ,The Survivor, Laguna Beach, The Girls Next Door, Beauty and the Geek ...etc.

Implying that anyone watches these trash shows for any reason other than to feel amused at other people getting hurt and humiliated is like saying one goes to watch nas car races to see people take left turns all day.

Come up with an argument, instead of bleeting irrelevant comments.
Im getting bored of your unresearched, undeveloped arguments, particulary in this forum.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
What a fantastic way to refute my argument.

Right, let us evaluate American TV, and the reality shows, shall we.

America's Next Top Model, American Idol, The Hills ,The Survivor, Laguna Beach, The Girls Next Door, Beauty and the Geek ...etc.

Implying that anyone watches these trash shows for any reason other than to feel amused at other people getting hurt and humiliated is like saying one goes to watch nas car races to see people take left turns all day.

Come up with an argument, instead of bleeting irrelevant comments.
Im getting bored of your unresearched, undeveloped arguments, particulary in this forum.

Family Guy, The Shield, Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Cold Case, Judging Amy, Gilmore Girls, 24, The Twillight Zone, South Park, Penn and Teller: Bullshit

Originally posted by Bardock42
Family Guy, The Shield, Seinfeld, The Simpsons, Cold Case, Judging Amy, Gilmore Girls, 24, The Twillight Zone, South Park, Penn and Teller: Bullshit

Since when did those become reality shows?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Since when did those become reality shows?

They are American Entertainment and Television.

If you meant to discuss reality shows, I can agree with you, they are based on embarrassment and a few other traits, but you attacked the American Entertainment Industry as a whole, which I can't agree with, as it happens to be my all time favourite.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Come up with an argument, instead of bleeting irrelevant comments.
Im getting bored of your unresearched, undeveloped arguments, particulary in this forum.

Excuse me, but you are the queen of bleeting irrelevant comments. I'm annoyed with your constant slew of anti-American comments that are both unbased and unjustified. It not behavior I feel any member should be showing, especially not a mod.

And I don't really care if you're bored.

This is a perfect example of your unresearched, undeveloped arguments. I seem to recall that you were the one disinterested in other peoples arguments. So nice try.

American TV is not all reality TV. Its not even mostly reality TV. I'd wager that the higest watched shows aren't "reality shows." So as I stated, your argument is nothing but misinformed. Not surprizing. You were probably too caught up in anti-Americansm to see what you were typing.

Bardock has addressed my point.

Seinfield is all about humiliation.

Well, all comedy is, really.

Originally posted by Alliance
I'd wager that the higest watched shows aren't "reality shows."

American Idol right now, I am afraid...

Shows. Plural.

I think you will find pointing out the top rated one is rather relevant as a response to your comment.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Seinfield is all about humiliation.

Well, all comedy is, really.

Haha, well, I would assume so, yes, though not of people in misery or of minimal intellect.

Yeah...Space Cadets being the unbeated number one.

Can't you take heart from the fact that Space Cadets was a failure in every important way?

Besides, the Japanese have the US well beaten when it comes to humil-o-tv.

apart from the odd UK comedy that has a gag count more than 3 gags per show (a rarity nowadays) pretty much all i watch is US stuff and its ****ing quality

on the downside the majority of the stuff my chick watches is from the US too and its ****ing appalling

itd be easy to think that all US tv is reality based with a quick channel surf on Sky
mtv being the worst culprit...it used to be a music channel now its this weeks popular american celeb couple having the decorators round involving comedy mishaps with small dogs

dig deep and you find gems like Curb Your Enthusiasm
its just a shame UK schedules stick them on at silly times
the average brit probably thinks that all the US watches is this weeks all american celeb couple having the decorators round to do up their mansion

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I think you will find pointing out the top rated one is rather relevant as a response to your comment.

Thats only true assuming that this is a representative occurrence. American Idol has been most watched twice. Heck, 60 Minutes has won "most watched" more times. Should we then say that America is addicted to blasphemous news shows?

Since 2000 (post-reality TV debut), three years the top watched show has been a reality show, three years it has not.

Regardless US TV is not defined by reality shows nor is it limited to them. Certainly the US entertainment industry is not based on it.

Originally posted by Alliance
Then I can safely say there are a whole lot of embarassments to Christianity.


Your point?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Your point?

This is no exception.

Originally posted by Alliance
Thats only true assuming that this is a representative occurrence. American Idol has been most watched twice. Heck, 60 Minutes has won "most watched" more times. Should we then say that America is addicted to blasphemous news shows?

Since 2000 (post-reality TV debut), three years the top watched show has been a reality show, three years it has not.

Regardless US TV is not defined by reality shows nor is it limited to them. Certainly the US entertainment industry is not based on it.

Yet it IS a representative occurence. Many of the top rated shows are reality shows. Your wager has been lost.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yet it IS a representative occurence. Many of the top rated shows are reality shows. Your wager has been lost.

May I ask that you prove that most of the top rated shows are reality shows?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Right, let us evaluate American TV, and the reality shows, shall we.

America's Next Top Model, American Idol, The Hills ,The Survivor, Laguna Beach, The Girls Next Door, Beauty and the Geek ...etc.

Implying that anyone watches these trash shows for any reason other than to feel amused at other people getting hurt and humiliated is like saying one goes to watch nas car races to see people take left turns all day.

I would argue that American Idol, America's Next Top Model, and Survivor are not exploitive. These programs are competitions that celebrate ingenuity and talent.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
May I ask that you prove that most of the top rated shows are reality shows?

The word is 'many', and just look at Nielsen.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yet it IS a representative occurence. Many of the top rated shows are reality shows. Your wager has been lost.

In addition to Seraphim's request, I'd like to know how you're measuring "most popular."

Are we discussing one night viewership? or most views throughout the season? or highest average viewship?

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The word is 'many', and just look at Nielsen.

Ah, I apologize.

So ... May you prove that many of the top rated television shows today are reality programs?

Percentage viewing of regularly scheduled shows- the industry standard for judging show popularity.

No matter which way you cut it, Alliance. The fact that the MOST popular US tv show right now is a reality show, as are many of the most popular ones, kills your wager stone dead. It is impossible to deny that they are a significant factor in US tv right now. Whether Lil is overstating it or not, you went wayy too far in the other direction.

Yeah, so, to summarize...not all of the US entertainment is based on Reality Shows but a big part is .... can we go on to talk about....some.....other stuff....now?

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Ah, I apologize.

So ... May you prove that many of the top rated television shows today are reality programs?

I don't need to prove it; Nielsen figures have already done that work.

Reality shows top it twice over for 2006; then comes CSI to the rescue for dramas. After that- Football.

I see Deal or no Deal is in there as well. That's based aroun a similar concept.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
The word is 'many', and just look at Nielsen.

Try 4 of top ten for this season so far. And 6 of the top 20. Not many enough, especially when you account for that there are only two shows in that category (American idol on different nights and Dancing with the stars show and results show)

By the way. Can you address my earlier point about how a show being most watched is representative of an entire industry?

I think you'll find if you look at the list past just the top ten you'll find loads of the damn things in there in, say, the top 100. Or 50. or 20. However you want to put it. And they top the list too. You're trying to wriggle out now, Alliance, but your point is rather scuppered.

And I think it's a damn good barometer of the industry. Probably the best.

Furthermore the trend is growing. Not just in the US either.

Well on the site I'm using, it onyl goes up to 20. No reality TV show even makes it in the top 15 (shown limit) on cable TV.

Making up statistics doens't prove your point. Nor does saying I'm wrong.

I think you're in a fairly difficult position tying to say that 30% of america's top 20 shows are a great indicator of what the American TV industry is.

Prove the trend is growing and growing globally.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Ah, I apologize.

So ... May you prove that many of the top rated television shows today are reality programs?

Originally posted by Alliance
Well on the site I'm using, it onyl goes up to 20. No reality TV show even makes it in the top 15 (shown limit) on cable TV.

Making up statistics doens't prove your point. Nor does saying I'm wrong.

I think you're in a fairly difficult position tying to say that 30% of america's top 20 shows are a great indicator of what the American TV industry is.

Prove the trend is growing and growing globally. http://www.tv.com/story/8832.html

Many? I see two or three there. Wow, so many.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Many? I see two or three there. Wow, so many.

Large number is totally subjective. If you look at the top two it is 2/2...100%, that is an incredibly large number.

To you many seems to be 50% or more...or maybe even a random number....what is many? 10? 100? 100000000000000000?

Actually there were 4. 20%

Originally posted by Bardock42
Large number is totally subjective. If you look at the top two it is 2/2...100%, that is an incredibly large number.

To you many seems to be 50% or more...or maybe even a random number....what is many? 10? 100? 100000000000000000?

Strawman. Haven't seen that in a while.

Four shows were listed out of twenty. 16 > 4.

He stated MANY were reality programs. MANY = MAJORITY.

4 > 16? Didn't think so.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII
Strawman. Haven't seen that in a while.

Four shows were listed out of twenty. 16 > 4.

He stated MANY were reality programs. MANY = MAJORITY.

4 > 16? Didn't think so.

Oh no, sorry, got the wrong definition of many, many does in no way equal majority. And if it would, you had lost already, for lets look at the Top 2 shows:

1 American Idol (Tuesday) (Fox) 31.20

2 American Idol (Wednesday) (Fox) 28.89


100%...big ****ing majority, seems like not only "many" but all top shows in the US are reality.


Also, 4 of 16 in a matter where there are 10+ genres is a large number and you can certainly speak of many. It makes a big part of your Top shows. Not the biggest, but without a doubt one that is not to be disregarded.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Oh no, sorry, got the wrong definition of many, many does in no way equal majority. And if it would, you had lost already, for lets look at the Top 2 shows:

1 American Idol (Tuesday) (Fox) 31.20

2 American Idol (Wednesday) (Fox) 28.89


100%...big ****ing majority, seems like not only "many" but all top shows in the US are reality.


Also, 4 of 16 in a matter where there are 10+ genres is a large number and you can certainly speak of many. It makes a big part of your Top shows. Not the biggest, but without a doubt one that is not to be disregarded.

A large indefinite number: A good many of the workers had the flu.


Many is to be more than the secondary entity, Bardock. It would make it essentially parallel to a majority.

Those are the top two shows, yes, but sixteen others qualify within the category of being on that list. So, because two are "one" and "two", this qualifies the reality shows of making up for many on that list?

MANY on that list are NOT reality shows. It's simple.

Sixteen is a larger number than four. MANY is what is NOT reality.

Get over it.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Many of the top rated shows are reality shows.


1 American Idol (Tuesday) (Fox) 31.20

2 American Idol (Wednesday) (Fox) 28.89

3 House (Fox) 25.99

4 Grey's Anatomy (ABC) 25.76

5 CSI (CBS) 22.71

6 CSI Miami (CBS) 19.90

7 Desperate Housewives (ABC) 18.51

8 Survivor: Fiji (CBS) 16.08

9 Deal or No Deal (Monday) 16.07

10 Two and a Half Men (CBS) 15.50

11 NCIS (CBS) 15.36

12 Criminal Minds (CBS) 15.16

13 Shark (CBS) 15.12

14 CSI: NY (CBS) 14.81

15 Heroes (NBC) 14.68

16 Extreme Makeover: Home Edition (ABC) 14.15

17 24 (Fox) 13.73

18 Ugly Betty (ABC) 13.66

19 Rules of Engagement (CBS) 13.43

20 24 (Fox) (S) (Monday) 13.12




Since AI has been listed twice, it's actually THREE reality shows listed. So, 17 > 3.

He stated many of the top shows were reality on that said list. HE WAS WRONG. Many is a reference to a said majority.

"MANY OF THE KIDS AT THAT PARTY WERE BILLY'S FRIENDS."

That means MOST of the kids were his friends, and the rest, which is the minority, were not his friends.

Many = Most = Majority.

Try again.

Originally posted by Seraphim XIII

"MANY OF THE KIDS AT THAT PARTY WERE BILLY'S FRIENDS."

That means MOST of the kids were his friends, and the rest, which is the minority, were not his friends.

Many = Most = Majority.

Try again.

How in the hell, were you able to pass elementary school English?

"Many" is in no way...in no way a synonym of "most" or of "majority"...

To claim so is ridiculous and wrong.

If there are five hundred party guests and two hundred are friends of Billy....then there are many of the kids friends of billy....

It is such a subjective term that you don't base your bets around it.

Also, please, if anything, then 3 to 16. Okay?

Originally posted by Bardock42
How in the hell, were you able to pass elementary school English?

"Many" is in no way...in no way a synonym of "most" or of "majority"...

To claim so is ridiculous and wrong.

If there are five hundred party guests and two hundred are friends of Billy....then there are many of the kids friends of billy....

It is such a subjective term that you don't base your bets around it.

Also, please, if anything, then 3 to 16. Okay?

Three to seventeen, actually.

And three to seventeen is NOT many, Bardock. If there is only three of them out of twenty that are reality television shows, the bottom line is, it's not many.

You're going to dismiss that much of a minority in that ratio to be many? That would be ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous.

Regardless of this side debate (Bardock is right). 3 out of the top 20 is not many.

There are just as many CSIs and then more crime dramas. Should we say that American TV is steered by its obsession with crime drama?

Originally posted by Alliance
Regardless of this side debate (Bardock is right). 3 out of the top 20 is not many.

There are just as many CSIs and then more crime dramas. Should we say that American TV is steered by its obsession with crime drama?

It....certainly is one of the major genres of American entertainment...kinda like Reality TV...there are many Reality TV shows...there are also many popular ones.

Originally posted by Alliance
Regardless of this side debate (Bardock is right). 3 out of the top 20 is not many.

Moreover, none of the three reality programs in the top 20 are exploitive. American Idol and Survivor: Fiji celebrate talent and ingenuity respectively, and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition is largely humanitarian.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Moreover, none of the three reality programs in the top 20 are exploitive. American Idol and Survivor: Fiji celebrate talent and ingenuity respectively, and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition is largely humanitarian.

Though the beginning of American Idol is....incidentally the only part I remotely like....

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Moreover, none of the three reality programs in the top 20 are exploitive. American Idol and Survivor: Fiji celebrate talent and ingenuity respectively, and Extreme Makeover: Home Edition is largely humanitarian.

Are you serious?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Your mom is correct, however isn't that what the American TV and entertainment is all about?
Exploiting poor, mentaly ill, desparate people, who audiences cannot wait to get humiliated so they can get some sick pleasure out of getting people act in the most ridiculous ways?
Well, yah.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Are you serious?

Contestants on these programs know what they are signing up for.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Contestants on these programs know what they are signing up for.

I'm just saying I take exception to the argument. Lots of people can sing or walk down a runway. But it's the interim drama that I see as exploitive. The judges of American Idol are needlessly harsh. At least that one guy. And (insert country here)'s next top model is a few minutes of runway footage and the rest is them sitting in one of those real world confession booths talking shit about each other.

Maybe exploitation is the wrong term, especially given the fact that everyone who competes for a role on one of these shows is fully well aware of how these shows work. Which would mean that they know what they're getting into before the cameras roll.

I'm not totally agreeing with Adam, but we all get gossip and drama at work. It not like we just get it from television.

Originally posted by Alliance
I'm not totally agreeing with Adam, but we all get gossip and drama at work. It not like we just get it from television.

Maybe someone like Ricky Gervais could make a comedy program about this office drama.