Originally posted by Blair Wind
Thats just the thing though, you probably do not
Bobby Drake could be, potentially, one of the most powerful mutants on the planet. Look at his power. People say "Ooh! He makes ice." Or now, "Ooh, he turns himself into ice!"
But let's step back. Basic physics says that there's no such thing as "cold", as a quantative energy form. Only degrees of heat. "Cold" is a relative term, requiring a difference between the observed target and the temperature of the observer. Example: I'm standing in my office, at a nice 73 degrees. The cabbie outside is standing on the street, shivering in 40 degrees. To me, he is cold. Whereas if I were buried in snow (great shades of this past weekend) at around 20 degrees, I'd consider him pretty warm.
Right then, we've established that there's no such energy form as "cold". So, Bobby doesn't generate cold to form his ice, and he doesn't generate the moisture himself (imagine how quickly he'd be dehydrated). Therefore, he forms his ice structures from the ambient moisture in the environment around him. To do this, he causes the moisture to freeze.
But how? We know he doesn't "project cold", so then he must absorb or dissipate the heat. By the laws of thermodynamics, energy is constant, it cannot be created or destroyed. However, let's go to another scientific principle. Heat is a measurement of the internal kinetic energy of an object. The more those atoms and molecules are buzzing around, the hotter it is.
What Bobby Drake does, as I see it, is project a field that inhibits the motion of those particles (herein referred to as Brownian Motion) thus dropping the temperature and freezing the moisture.
However, the amount of water vapor in any given area is not consistent with the large stunts Bobby regularly pulls off (re: ice slides, ice walls, etc). If he were to coalesce that much water vapor in one place and freeze it, the humidity all along the Eastern Seaboard would drop dramatically, we'd have wildcat lightning storms all over the place, cats and dogs living together, it would be anarchy, you see my point.
So that extra frozen mass has to come from somewhere. Remember that water vapor isn't the only thing in the air. You have a mixture of all sorts of gases. One of the most prominent of these is carbon dioxide. Compared to the other prominent gases in our atmosphere (nitrogen, the most common, and oxygen), carbon dioxide has a relatively high temperature (although still incredibly low) at which it becomes solid. It is my theory that the most part of Bobby's ice structures are composed of frozen carbon dioxide, or "dry ice". This would also explain why Manhattan isn't flooded every time his ice slides melt, since most of it sublimes back into gaseous carbon dioxide.
So, what Bobby does is inhibit the Brownian Motion of objects. He can do this so quickly that there is no expansion of the target's water content, as was seen when he flash-froze Legion completely. Had he merely frozen all the moisture in Legion's body, well... put an unopened can of soda in the freezer sometime. Wait a few days. Watch the results. Legion would be a messy red chunk when he thawed.
Bobby is an incredibly powerful cryokinetic. But that's not the only extent to his powers. Since Mikhail's fiddling, he can transform his entire body into a water-based organism. In his form of homogenous ice, his thought processes go on, even though water is a MUCH less efficient conductor than neurons in the human brain. Basically, Bobby converts all the molecules of his body into water, and freezes and molds it as he moves. He has the capability to assume a completely liquid form (as Emma Frost did when in control of his body) as well as the potential ability to 'teleport' by zapping his consciousness through water vapor in the atmosphere, reforming at his desired location. In AOA, this was referred to as "moisture inversion". And through all this, he retains the ability to resume human form. He has been blown up in human form and transformed into steam. He was also absorbed by a fire user who fed his flames with the things surrounding him, and Iceman inhibited his body, then expanded outwards, killing the firestarter. He then went on to be teleported inside a wall, and survived the explosion. So long as there is one piece of his consciousness around, he can survive.
Canonically, we've heard it referred to multiple times that Bobby hasn't realized his full potential. Imagine what he could do with realization and training, and most of these he HAS done
* Create a 'giant' ice form with corresponding strength and stability.
* Create and animate multiple ice forms.
* Coalesce all the water vapor in an area into a superdense solid, dropping the humidity rapidly, resulting in chaotic weather effects, mass electrical storms, etc.
* Acting as a catalyst for superconducting machinery (we've already seen him do this).
* Siphon all the water from a persons body
* Inhibit another persons water supply
* Transmute the water in a persons body into gas
*Transmute someone INTO water vapor
Seriously, anyone who says Iceman is not powerful enough to end almost all of it by himself, does not know his powers.
Besides all that, he still his team to back him up. Storm can create some type of pressure field and make some massive hurricanes, Aquaman can TP them all (they have no defense against this besides Juggs), Wondy can hang with Superman, ect.
Anyone who survives Iceman first attack gets taken out by superior firepower and numbers. This team has better range for number attacks (Storm can hit more than one person with one attack, as can Iceman and Aquaman). Here follows who should be taking out who
Classic juggernaut- Taken out by TP once they get the helmet off
Deathstroke - Iceman
Superman - Iceman/Wondy/Aquaman
Invisible woman - Iceman/Storm
Sabertooth - Iceman
Namor - Iceman
Red Tornado
Angie from Authortiy - Iceman/Aquamans TP/Storm
Human Torch - Iceman
Everyone else on the team? Can help if need be, but I still have to say Team Scott FTW You do realize you just mentioned every single thing I already knew about Iceman's powers right
Honestly if you want to look at an actual battle scenario. Superman would heat vision most of the other team to death besides Iceman WW. He would do this because the only person o nthe other team that could stop him would be WW as she is the only one fast enough but even she is still slower then Supes. So if we really wanted to go by first attack scenario prutting much Superman could Superman the entire Battlefield causing all the Water Vapor to be destroyed.
Fact is that Iceman can only stop the molecules from moving thus removing the heat that I understand but as long as constant energy is being supplied then it becomes a matter of ust how much energy he can dissiapte which we have never seen a good measure of that. What we do know is that we have never seen him try to effect energy on that magnitude.
The simple fact is that Juggernaut and Superman can pretty much take whatever the other tean dishes out save Auqaman TP which Superman can take out long before Iceman begins to think.
Also Superman and Juggernaut deal with far worse things then Storm and the rest of that team can give off.
I would also like to point out that two members of Team Two will survive after the intial Flash Freeze. Angie and Deathstroke. Seeing as DS is immortal he all his body would need is some sunlight some form of energy to get his body moving again samthing with angie. Honestly Iceman would have to continuesly keep those two frozen to keep them down and I'm pretty sure Iceman can use his power to much and drain himself.
