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In order to become the undisputed crime organization on the planet, Igniz, the boss of the NESTS cartel, has to eliminate Shadowlaw, and its commander, the dreaded man in red and wielder of Psycho Power, M. Bison.

Igniz sends in Foxy and Angel, along with a number of NESTS soldiers to attack, but is violently repelled. Not one to take failure lightly, Igniz, along with Zero (Original), and Krizalid, invade Miriganka Island, where the Shadowlaw World Headquarters is located.

However, Bison anticipates the attack and goes out to meet them. The Shadowlaw commander challenges all three in a King of Fighters-esque final boss match.

With the Psycho Drive backing him up, Bison can't lose.

Or can he?

Bison: Shin Bison - Alpha 3 version

Total ****ing slaughter. M. Bison rapes all 3 of them. Psycho Drive Crusher FTW.

It would be a fight to see but Bison will come out on top. As long as he has the Psycho Drive the power they need will always be too far ahead of them. Plus they are fighting on his base.

wait wait wait....Original Zero and Krizalid together. you're joking right? come on. good fight but no way, Krizalid and Original Zero bring him back beaten, battered and hogtied to Ignitz who makes "marsellus Wallas in the pawnshop scene" out of Bison.

*many days later once balrog rescues him*
Bison: Balrog, no one needs to know about this...except you, me and Mr-Soon-To-Be-Pwned-By-Kyo-Iori-and-K'-and-get-his-butt-charblasted-out-of-space-and-crash-land-into-the-ocean.

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I hate judge..........

haha!! he is restricted now! he had it coming

m.Bison wins.

if people who are worser then Bison can win. then Bison surely wins and this is Sf Alpha 3 M.Bison

i'd say igniz wins this on his own.

So what exactly did Sado do to unleash the Judge's noobish wrath?

well...i posted this:



the man don't like Pulp Fiction i suppose.

~The Invincible Against n00b attacks Sado-sama

Originally posted by Sado22
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the man don't like Pulp Fiction i suppose.

~The Invincible Against n00b attacks Sado-sama

I like Pulp Fiction. One of Tarantino's best movies.

Unless the KOF guys can destroy the Psycho Drive, Bison will keep coming back. Although with out the Psycho Drive, Bison will be dopple ganged into oblivion.

King, the thing is...bison even with the pscyho drives was beaten/forced to retreat wasn't he? Rose beat him SFA2 and ryu and gang forced him to run away in SFA3.
the way i look at it, if one hightier could beat him and 3 high/midtiers forced him to retreat.....then two boss characters, two hightiers and a whole army sure as hell can too. get my point?


dude...everyone likes Pulp Fiction.
Terry: hey Andy you know what they call hamburger in Japan?
Andy: they don't call it hamburger in Japan?
Terry: no...they've got the whole "engrish" thing going...won't know what the f--k a hamburger is!
Andy: so what do they call it?
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~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
King, the thing is...bison even with the pscyho drives was beaten/forced to retreat wasn't he? Rose beat him SFA2 and ryu and gang forced him to run away in SFA3.
the way i look at it, if one hightier could beat him and 3 high/midtiers forced him to retreat.....then two boss characters, two hightiers and a whole army sure as hell can too. get my point?

I count 3 guys for Bison to defeat, not an army, but 3 guys. And for the last time NO A>B>C LOGIC PLEASE... Oh BTW, it was actually 6 separate characters that forced Bison's defeat in Alpha 3, and even then, it didn't kill him.

that's not ABC logic! i'm saying that if two regular characters can make Bison runaway and a midtier/hightier can DEFEAT him.......why can't two boss characters who pwn teams by themselves. Krizalid pwned the whole team of KoF99 and was still going strong. Zero (original) has screen filling supers..........and on top of all that you have Ignitz who was more powerful than Orochi (bank on it. it took kyo, iori, K, AND THE WHOLE CAST OF kof2001 to take him out. even in KoF2003, Chin tells K to help Kyo-Iori because the new power is "greater than Orochi or EVEN Ignitz".)
Ignitz PWNS BISON ALL THE WAY TO HELL. Ignitz is vastly underrated. he was stronger than Orochi. Fact is fact. makes no sense, i admit, but its a fact.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
that's not ABC logic! i'm saying that if two regular characters can make Bison runaway and a midtier/hightier can DEFEAT him.......why can't two boss characters who pwn teams by themselves. Krizalid pwned the whole team of KoF99 and was still going strong. Zero (original) has screen filling supers..........and on top of all that you have Ignitz who was more powerful than Orochi (bank on it. it took kyo, iori, K, AND THE WHOLE CAST OF kof2001 to take him out. even in KoF2003, Chin tells K to help Kyo-Iori because the new power is "greater than Orochi or EVEN Ignitz".)
Ignitz PWNS BISON ALL THE WAY TO HELL. Ignitz is vastly underrated. he was stronger than Orochi. Fact is fact. makes no sense, i admit, but its a fact.

~Sado

It wasn't just two characters Sado, it was upwards of 6 Sagat, Ken, Ryu Sakura, Guile, Charlie, Chun Li, and possibly guy and Rose.

Krizalid didn't own the '99 cast, he owned K's team till Kyo turned up and floored him with a single shot. Zero's screen filler is a valid argument now?Ok, then Bison'sPsycho Drive Crusher (Which is totally invincible) plows right through it. And Igniz, talk about overhype... Your actually beleiving that Igniz isstronger than Orochi? Whats this basedon,besides a vague quote? Until I see just why you think Igniz ismore powerful than a God, even one with a plot device such as the Magatama flames attached. Hell man, even Mizuchi and Goodman are stronger than Igniz...

I would put Ignizaroundabout Goenitz's level, certainly above Rugal and Zero, but not higher than Orochi or Mukai.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
It wasn't just two characters Sado, it was upwards of 6 Sagat, Ken, Ryu Sakura, Guile, Charlie, Chun Li, and possibly guy and Rose.
Actually, Rose was there and you forgot to count the 12 dolls plus Cammy.


Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

I would put Ignizaroundabout Goenitz's level, certainly above Rugal and Zero, but not higher than Orochi or Mukai.

Finally, someone else believe's that igniz is above rugal. And, Nest cartel must be either stupid or crazy to challenge bison. Seriously, Some mutha****a's are always trying to ice-skate up hill.

this would be a nice battle if it was nest vs all of shadowloo. I can't see them winning against an army of kyo clones even if they had a psycho girl:kyo clone ratio of 3:1. shadowloo only really has 1 high tier I know of which is bison, while Nest has at least 3, not counting k9999, kula, clone zero, etc.

I would give igniz a win over bison, but just because of I like him more. He did take on a whole kof cast without retreating like bison did after taking on 4 of them, while one of them was only sakura. Bison was never so powerful.

Alpha 3 Bison was godtier, Sagat is high tier...

WTF? Why areweusing tiers to establish a characters worth?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Alpha 3 Bison was godtier, Sagat is high tier...

WTF? Why areweusing tiers to establish a characters worth? That is something I've been wanting to know as well.

Igniz was only challenged by a 4 man team, nobody else reached the space station? so how the hell is he pwning the whole 2002 cast when nobody elseiseven there? By dropping huge turds from orbit?

no. all the cast of KoF2001 was there. read Kailu lantis. terry bogard, our beloved Ryo Sakazaki, Kyo, Iori, K', Kim........they were all there. did it ever occur to you why everyone's ending takes place on the same island.

once again: pwning the whole cast of KoF2001 and then finally being defeated>>>>>>>>>>losing to Iori and Kyo alone.

Ignitz is a lot stronger than ORochi. face the facts.


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~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
no. all the cast of KoF2001 was there. read Kailu lantis. terry bogard, our beloved Ryo Sakazaki, Kyo, Iori, K', Kim........they were all there. did it ever occur to you why everyone's ending takes place on the same island.

That doesn't prove shit, thats the same as saying everyones ending in Alpha 3 is canon based on the fact that everyone was at the Shadowlaw base. Pure hyperbole and speculation on your part.

Originally posted by Sado22
once again: pwning the whole cast of KoF2001 and then finally being defeated>>>>>>>>>>losing to Iori and Kyo alone.

Plot device powered victory Sado, don't deny it, and no, Igniz wasn't owning teams like Rugal was, you have to prove more than one team was on that space station for that to be accepted.

Originally posted by Sado22
Ignitz is a lot stronger than ORochi. face the facts.

Why don't you face the one blaringly obvious fact that Kyo and Iori had the plot device empoweredflames? without Orochi's weakness to the Magatama flames,Orochi would have stomped all over them,andprocceeded to decimate all of humanity.

igniz is powerful, but i wouldn't rate him anywhere close to orochi. he's not a real god. I do remember reading the plot guide which said that k' was losing untill kyo, terry, athena, etc showed up to kick igniz's ass.

bison's not really a god tier either. since ryu, ken, sagat, sakura forced him to retreat. and then charlie, guile and chun li managed to hold him back and blow up the base.

directly for Klantis:


~Sado

Originally posted by lightness
igniz is powerful, but i wouldn't rate him anywhere close to orochi. he's not a real god. I do remember reading the plot guide which said that k' was losing untill kyo, terry, athena, etc showed up to kick igniz's ass.

bison's not really a god tier either. since ryu, ken, sagat, sakura forced him to retreat. and then charlie, guile and chun li managed to hold him back and blow up the base.

How and when did the other teams get onto the space station? I thought only the winning team was allowed on the Airship?

Damn stowaways...

The thing is, the final battle of KOF 2001 wasn't on Earth, it was in a space station... So exploding your only life-line during a fight reeks of stupidity, not to mention Lantis's FAQ thinks that the base ison the ground, this is making me suspect it's validity in the same way I suspect Tiamat's FAQ...

yeah i do too........its funny how the whole cast of Kof managed to be "stowaways" in a freakin blimp!
but whatever. i gave up on "logic" in videogames a long, long, long time ago. you never know though if the whole cast of KoF could come in a bus like that pic i posted


like i said....if Orochi got pwned by Kyo and Iori alone........while Ignitz was taken down by an entire cast, it makes me side with Ignitz. between the two, Orochi was way cooler. Ignitz=f@g.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
yeah i do too........its funny how the whole cast of Kof managed to be "stowaways" in a freakin blimp!
but whatever. i gave up on "logic" in videogames a long, long, long time ago. you never know though if the whole cast of KoF could come in a bus like that pic i posted


like i said....if Orochi got pwned by Kyo and Iori alone........while Ignitz was taken down by an entire cast, it makes me side with Ignitz. between the two, Orochi was way cooler. Ignitz=f@g.

~Sado

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~Sado

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Alpha 3 Bison was godtier, Sagat is high tier...

WTF? Why areweusing tiers to establish a characters worth?

Because they are for the most part, in terms of "Fighting Power"

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That doesn't prove shit, thats the same as saying everyones ending in Alpha 3 is canon based on the fact that everyone was at the Shadowlaw base. Pure hyperbole and speculation on your part.

Alpha 3 was the blacksheep of the Street Fighter plot. I never seen such CIS in my life, and not to mention with the exception of guiles none of the endings were accurate, not even the canon ones.


Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero

Plot device powered victory Sado, don't deny it, and no, Igniz wasn't owning teams like Rugal was, you have to prove more than one team was on that space station for that to be accepted.

Yes, he was infact, he defeated everyone until Iori,Kyo, and K' prime magically ressurected to defeat him.

All this talk about Roster Owning SNK Bosses is getting boring. Everyone seems to be able to do it, but in the end they end up losing to Kyo and the like.

Smells like bullshit.

KOF 2010 : New SNK Boss Syndrome Mega God Orochi blood infused with all data of every fighter in the omniverse and the power of heaven, hell & earth along with Satsui No Hadou, Psycho Power, Soul Power, SSJ level 8 & 7 Dragonballs takes on every single SNK creation while having an arm tied behind his back, being blindfolded, high on weed with a wooden leg, half asleep, not being serious & sitting on a wheelchair. Then the final battle takes place with him and Kyo, and Kusanagi ***** slaps him out of the screen and then gets ready to fight O. Iori.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
All this talk about Roster Owning SNK Bosses is getting boring. Everyone seems to be able to do it, but in the end they end up losing to Kyo and the like.

Smells like bullshit.



I know

IMO the biggest bull is having a regular human train to a point that he becomes a godtier. that's just retarded. Jumping into space, smashing islands, taking people to hell...wtf? that's so stupid its laughable.

also emp, Terry, Ryo, Kyo, Iori, K' and all the other fighters were there in the fight. Ignitz only managed to defeat K' and his team till Kyo, Iori and the rest showed up. Terry was even there till the end of the fight against Ignitz (KLantis confirms). Ryo was there too. Kyo, Iori and K' didn't do it on their own by any means.
i hope you and SBP are happy now

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
IMO the biggest bull is having a regular human train to a point that he becomes a godtier. that's just retarded. Jumping into space, smashing islands, taking people to hell...wtf? that's so stupid its laughable.
Then I guess every fighting game is stupid for having human God tiers

Edit: That sounds like another gouki rant, if SNK did the same I doubt you would complain. But, it's your opinion and to each their own.

Originally posted by Sado22

also emp, Terry, Ryo, Kyo, Iori, K' and all the other fighters were there in the fight. Ignitz only managed to defeat K' and his team till Kyo, Iori and the rest showed up. Terry was even there till the end of the fight against Ignitz (KLantis confirms). Ryo was there too. Kyo, Iori and K' didn't do it on their own by any means.
i hope you and SBP are happy now

~Sado

That sounds like fanservice, we all know terry and Ryo would have died if they fought igniz. But, to keep there reputations as unbeatables and not have them interfere in the flame users plot. Snk had them do nothing, now I'm glad I dropped KOF completely.

wait...you didn't know that?!
come on bud. if anything in this world i've given up on its:
-modern rock bands and the future of rock
-hollywood making decent movies again
-me getting a life while doing engineering
-fighting games and them making sense

all fighting games are stupid. period. you're telling me Tekken, SF, KoF, DoA make sense? they don't. heck the only game with a good plot was Bloody Roar (till BR2) and that game was never popular with people.


hmm....and i said that Terry and Ryo were beaten you'd probably start cribbing about how terry sucks infront of the new guys and is just a jobber. there really is no making you happy is it?

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
wait...you didn't know that?!
come on bud. if anything in this world i've given up on its:
-modern rock bands and the future of rock
-hollywood making decent movies again
-me getting a life while doing engineering
-fighting games and them making sense

all fighting games are stupid. period. you're telling me Tekken, SF, KoF, DoA make sense? they don't. heck the only game with a good plot was Bloody Roar (till BR2) and that game was never popular with people.


I think Street Fighter makes perfect sense,except alpha 3. Tekken was fine until jin, and KOF is just stupid IMO.
Originally posted by Sado22

hmm....and i said that Terry and Ryo were beaten you'd probably start cribbing about how terry sucks infront of the new guys and is just a jobber. there really is no making you happy is it?

~Sado

Where did you say that, you stated they simply showed up.

IMO, The problem with KOF is bad writing, if it's even writen at all. Some times I think SNK just freestyles the story as the new game develops.

who expects fighting game plots to make so much sense anyways. who cares how they got onto the space station, they just did. if you are really curious, just use your imagination

gameplay mechanics are always more important than storyline in a game. the story just adds more to it.

i meant "if i said that" actually. anyway i was just being sarcastic. i was responding to this quote yours:

what i meant to say was that if Terry got laid out by Ignitz you probably would have said "see he's not so strong and just jobs". however, he wasn't and was there till the end with Kyo, Iori and K'. but now...to you it only means that SNK is preserving Terry's reputation and giving fan service (which is good by the way).
hence my above comment about you never being happy no matter what terry does.
its the same with brain.

Sado: Terry beat Geese.
Brain: he jobbed.
Sado: Terry tied with Kyo.
Brain: Kyo jobbed. SNK doesn't want Terry to lose.
Sado: Yamazaki was beating up the entire FF3 roaster.
Brain: see! Terry can't win against anyone who is tough.
Sado: but he beat Geese and Krauser!
Brain: they were jobbing.
Sado: he beat Grant too and lasted agianst Iori aswell.
Brain: they were both jobbing.

IMO what lightness says is the truth......who cares how or why?

~Sado

Originally posted by lightness
who expects fighting game plots to make so much sense anyways. who cares how they got onto the space station, they just did. if you are really curious, just use your imagination

gameplay mechanics are always more important than storyline in a game. the story just adds more to it.

Maybe you don't care about it but, others do. And, I doubt KOF fans give a **** about gameplay. Since most KOF fans are casual players anyway, TMNT: Tournament fighters has a bigger tournament scene than KOF FFS.

EDIT: And, so does smash bros.

Yet another SNK boss beating an entire roster....see what I mean?

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Yet another SNK boss beating an entire roster....see what I mean?

KOF, not SNK.That kind if crap doesn't happen in Samurai Spirits.

Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
Maybe you don't care about it but, others do. And, I doubt KOF fans give a **** about gameplay. Since most KOF fans are casual players anyway, TMNT: Tournament fighters has a bigger tournament scene than KOF FFS.

EDIT: And, so does smash bros.

casual gamers have all the more reason to not care too much about little bits like how they got onto the ship, and try to make sense of it. If all fiction made sense in this world, they may not be enjoyable anyways

How would you assume kof has stayed alive for so long with just their american audience, which they barely try to target nowadays. which series still lives and which dies, tmnt tf or kof?

japanese are probably more hardcore gamers.

Originally posted by lightness
casual gamers have all the more reason to not care too much about little bits like how they got onto the ship, and try to make sense of it. If all fiction made sense in this world, they may not be enjoyable anyways

Casual fans are the ones who usually care about it crap like that most of the time, to be honest. And, I'm not excpecting KOF's plot to make sense, I just wanted consistency and good writing.
Originally posted by lightness

How would you assume kof has stayed alive for so long with just their american audience, which they barely try to target nowadays. which series still lives and which dies, tmnt tf or kof?

Because the casual scene is always huge, they don't help the developer in terms of gameplay hardcore fans do. They just produce revenue And,The only reason why snk released KOF yearly was to fundraise other projects. TMNT fighting games are not around because 2d fighting games in general do not make money. It's not because KOF is a hit, if it were SNK would not have gone bankrupt.

EDIT: TMNT was more mainstream then KOF ever was, and it had a bigger tournament scene.

So over all, what game has the largest tournament scene? Smash Bros (I don't even consider that a real fighting game.)? I think it's MVC2 and SF2, is it?

Originally posted by King Nothing
So over all, what game has the largest tournament scene? Smash Bros (I don't even consider that a real fighting game.)? I think it's MVC2 and SF2, is it?
Hard to say, I'm intrested three fighting games as of now:Third Strike, Samurai Spirits Zero, and Super Dragonball Z.

Emp,
the Orochi saga is probably one of the coolest stories in a fighting game. that's all beside the fact that the orochi saga is ACTUALLY based on Japanese Mythology. NEST saga sucked and i agree to that. but Orochi saga was brilliant and was second only to Tekken2 storyline.
SF story always sucked. it has the most underdeveloped characters ever. Ryu is too one dimensional. Ken too. so is akuma and so is Chunli. Bison is a typical cliched "baddy-who-wants-to-destroy-the-world". Gill is something new though and makes an interesting "badguy".
however, compare bison or gill to people like Heihachi or Kazuya (not that Kaz is a badguy but he had his evil days). Kazuya and Hachi are both extremely well rounded and multidimensional. Jin has more dimensions than Ryu. when was the last time ryu did something "out of character" or "different"? never. waht about Ken? or chunli? or Guile? or Akuma?
the SF cast sucks in terms of personality. they have none.
further compare that to Kyo, Iori or K' all three of whom are very interesting "heroes" with their dimensions. Terry, even though he's like ryu in the fighting-is-my-life sense, even he has many sides to him: the easy going loner, a bit carefree to irresponsible extent, occassional thick-headedness.
ryu practically has no flaws...aside from being a borring horse's @$$.
so how is it that the SF story is better?

~The Invincible Sado-sama

Originally posted by Sado22
Emp,
the Orochi saga is probably one of the coolest stories in a fighting game. that's all beside the fact that the orochi saga is ACTUALLY based on Japanese Mythology. NEST saga sucked and i agree to that. but Orochi saga was brilliant and was second only to Tekken2 storyline.

Ugh, the orochi arc was okay. There is nothing original about being based off japanese mythology. So, many anime's do that, it's ridicules and redundant.

Originally posted by Sado22

SF story always sucked. it has the most underdeveloped characters ever. Ryu is too one dimensional. Ken too. so is akuma and so is Chunli. Bison is a typical cliched

And, Rugal, Igniz, and every other boss in kof is not cliche but bison is? If you say so sado, and how is Chun-li cliche in the Video Game world when she was the first.

I don't see how ryu being under developed character means the entire cast of Street fighter is the same. Sounds to me like you r describing KOF, IMO. Adding random new characters who take the backseat and have no effect on the plot what-so-ever is what KOF does best.

Originally posted by Sado22

"baddy-who-wants-to-destroy-the-world". Gill is something new though and makes an interesting "badguy".
however, compare bison or gill to people like Heihachi or Kazuya (not that Kaz is a badguy but he had his evil days). Kazuya and Hachi are both extremely well rounded and multidimensional.


LOL, Heihachi pulled the same cliche villian act is bison in tekken 3. When he tried to use jin to capture info on ogre.



Originally posted by Sado22

Jin has more dimensions than Ryu. when was the last time ryu did something "out of character" or "different"? never. waht about Ken? or chunli? or Guile? or Akuma?

Jin is nothijng but a "Deus Ex Machina" that introduced the devil gene, he doesn't do jack in the story but job people.


Originally posted by Sado22

the SF cast sucks in terms of personality. they have none.
further compare that to Kyo, Iori or K' all three of whom are very interesting "heroes" with their dimensions.

If you say so, I don't see anything innovative or intresting about characters with tthe exact same powers saving the day every game. that's very lame to me.


Originally posted by Sado22

Terry, even though he's like ryu in the fighting-is-my-life sense, even he has many sides to him: the easy going loner, a bit carefree to irresponsible extent, occassional thick-headedness.
ryu practically has no flaws...aside from being a borring horse's @$$.
so how is it that the SF story is better?

~The Invincible Sado-sama

Let's see here it's:

-More consistent, there aren't massive plot holes like there are kof. How many timelines does KOF have?

-It's not redundant since they let different characters shine, tekken has not done that since jin and kof with it's stuoid flame users. Someone like aliex would never become a main character in KOF or tekken

-A tight cast, not filled with nobodies and jobber bosses who lose for no reason.

-Most characters actully have an impact on the plot.

etc

Sado, if you think it's better that's fine. It's your opinion but, the KOF plot is trash IMO.

Rugal didn't want to destroy the world and nor did Igniz. you're mistaken my friend.
oh i didn't say Chunli is cliched. i said she's onedimensional. so are Guile, Ken and the others.


SF has so many characters that don't have an effect on the canon story. SFA3 has like 30 character but all it boils down to is Bison, Ryu, Cammy, Chunli and Charlie. Ken, Sagat, Sakura, the dolls, Guile, Guy and Rose all play a very small part of the story. they do as much as Ryo, Terry, Kim etc. did in aiding Kyo against Rugal etc.
but you already said that SFA3 sucked so i wont hold it against you or pull your leg with it.
how about SF2? who are the central characters? Bison? akuma? Chunli? what does ryu do in SF2? what about Ken?
SF3.
what happened in that. What great roles did Sean, Makuto, Twelve, Q, Remy, Necro, Yun, Yang, Ibuki, Dudley do? how much did they help in the storyline. all they did was...nothing. all we know is that Sean was pwned by Ken and the last we saw of him he was being pwned by a mere hadouken by ryu for the umpteenth time in a row. heck what role does Alex perform in the story...aside from getting lucky that oro left, that Gill took a dive for him and he got pwned by Ryu perfect.
in KoF at least Ryo and Terry, the previous two heroes have played a crucial role in helping against Orochi. in KoFKyo they have an even bigger role and are of key help. in the NESTS saga, these two helped defeat Igniz.
i am not saying that the other characters are not ignored by SNK miind you. what you said is true. however, i'm just reminding you that Capcom does the same.


20 years later though. we agreed that T3 onwards sucks storyline wise.


agreed. IMO Jin is pretty one-dimensional and cliched (just how many "evil daddy goody mommy" child have we seen anyway?). however he has certain bits about him that make him at least a little more unique...say his humorous, klutz side shown in T5 asuka ending and his voilent side shown in T4 Kaz/Jin ending. these both are extremes compared to his usual quiet and brooding disposition. like i said, Jin and ryu aren't too different when it comes to being boring though.


Kyo and Iori were only similar in moves in KoF95. KoF96 onwards its a whole new ball game. the only remaining similar move they have is the "shiki-oniyaki" (their antiair move). aside from that they have totally different moves. with K' in the mix its even more unique. ryu, Ken, akuma, sakura, sean, dan....now THESE are "exact same powers".
personalities are far apart between K', Kyo and Iori.
one is an arrogant punk, the other is almost just like Kazuya (Iori) so that's definitely a lot of dimensions. K' on hte other hand has got a good personality as well.


Yes. definitely..KOF is inconsistent. but you're barring how many retcons Capcom has done to their games too. of course KoF becomes a lot lamer with the timeline crap though. i agree.


i would say so-so here.
just a question: how much respect did Cody Travers (hero of one of capcom's original classics FF) get in sfa3? how crucial was he to the plot?and that's just one character.
what about the rest of the cast of SF3 or SF2? how important were they all to the plot.


IMO having the hero win isn't a bad idea. just cuz a hero won agianst a tough fighter isn't jobbing. if that were the case than Ryu beating Sagat is jobbing. ryu beating Akuma in SFA2 was also jobbing. Ryu hurting Bison and forcing him to run is also jobbing....even ryu beating Hugo is jobbing since Hugo is extra ordinarily powerful fast and has inhuman endurance. and yet no one here considers it jobbing.
yet if Terry beats Geese...then its jobbing?
so i disagree on this one.
as for the "nobodies" i already told you about twelve, makuto, sean, Q, cody, etc. etc. etc. were all nobodies who did nothing for the plot. at least the KoF characters fought against the boss so at least they lent a little help. that's some role compared to the likes of, say, Cody.


as i said above.

no need to worry about me being offended or something. I know you have no such intentions and i respect your opinion too. See ya.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
Rugal didn't want to destroy the world and nor did Igniz. you're mistaken my friend.
oh i didn't say Chunli is cliched. i said she's onedimensional. so are Guile, Ken and the others.
Yes, Igniz did want to destroy the world and become it's new god. Same Zero with his Zero canon, and so did rugal. they are no different then bison.

And, I disagree chun-li is not cliche, before her there was no fighting Game Female. She set the standard and yet, you consider her cliche, how?

And, guile cliche, name one character with guile's design before his appearence?

Originally posted by Sado22

SF has so many characters that don't have an effect on the canon story. SFA3 has like 30 character but all it boils down to is Bison, Ryu, Cammy, Chunli and Charlie. Ken, Sagat, Sakura, the dolls, Guile, Guy and Rose all play a very small part of the story. they do as much as
All , those people you named played a large part in alpha 3. Infact, all those people you named are the only characters with canon endings. And, notice how that's way more than KOF's big time players. Kof is only effected by: The sacred treasures,Ash, and K. 5 people after 10 years and over 10 games c'mon sado.



Originally posted by Sado22

Ryo, Terry, Kim etc. did in aiding Kyo against Rugal etc.
But, that's all they ever do, never mind that the timeline of KOF contradicts FF completely. So, them helping does not effect their respective plots at all.


Originally posted by Sado22

but you already said that SFA3 sucked so i wont hold it against you or pull your leg with it.
how about SF2? who are the central characters? Bison? akuma? Chunli? what does ryu do in SF2? what about Ken?

First you complain about Ryu being a boring main character ,and now when he's not the star you complain? Make up you mind my friend.


Originally posted by Sado22

SF3.
what happened in that. What great roles did Sean, Makuto, Twelve, Q, Remy, Necro, Yun, Yang, Ibuki, Dudley do? how much did they help in the storyline. all they did was...nothing.

All those people you listed had a role in the main plot ( The Illuminati/Gill arc)

Ibuki-went after the G-file, and were given details about it *Important
Necro-Is being chased by the illuminati *Important
Yun -In third strike, him and yang fight gill, and are the first to be given hints of gills plan *Important
Q-Capcom has purposely avoid discussing his plot.
Twelve-He works for the illuminati, and is a product of the G-project when gill is in charge



Originally posted by Sado22

all we know is that Sean was pwned by Ken and the last we saw of him he was being pwned by a mere hadouken by ryu for the umpteenth time in a row.

Sean, Ryu, Ken, Gouki and Oro have absolutely no relevance to the plot of Street Fighter 3. Infact, they were not supposed to be in the game. And, futhermore them being there has no effect on the plot. so, who cares what happened to sean.


Originally posted by Sado22

heck what role does Alex perform in the story...aside from getting lucky that oro left, that Gill took a dive for him and he got pwned by Ryu perfect.

He's the chosen one, and is essential to gills master plan. Compare that to Oro & ryu's plot, which involves the same old thing (It's obviously a fanservice to fans)


Originally posted by Sado22

in KoF at least Ryo and Terry, the previous two heroes have played a crucial role in helping against Orochi.
in KoFKyo they have an even bigger role and are of key help. in the NESTS saga, these two helped defeat Igniz.
i am not saying that the other characters are not ignored by SNK miind you. what you said is true. however, i'm just reminding you that Capcom does the same.


Helped in what way, tell me what exactly did they do? They can't hurt orochi at al, since his only weakness is the flames of yagami and kusanagi.So, them being there is really irrelevant.Not to mention that their timelines are ignored in KOF.



Originally posted by Sado22

agreed. IMO Jin is pretty one-dimensional and cliched (just how many "evil daddy goody mommy" child have we seen anyway?). however he has certain bits about him that make him at least a little more unique...say his humorous, klutz side shown in T5 asuka ending and his voilent side shown in T4 Kaz/Jin ending. these both are extremes compared to his usual quiet and brooding disposition. like i said, Jin and ryu aren't too different when it comes to being boring though.

Doesn't really matter to me, jin sucks.

Originally posted by Sado22

Kyo and Iori were only similar in moves in KoF95. KoF96 onwards its a whole new ball game. the only remaining similar move they have is the "shiki-oniyaki" (their antiair move). aside from that they have totally different moves. with K' in the mix its even more unique. ryu, Ken, akuma, sakura, sean, dan....now THESE are "exact same powers".
personalities are far apart between K', Kyo and Iori.
one is an arrogant punk, the other is almost just like Kazuya (Iori) so that's definitely a lot of dimensions. K' on hte other hand has got a good personality as well.

Are you serious, so, kyo's powers are different from Iori's how? Sado, FYI the shoto's have different moves as well.

Originally posted by Sado22

Yes. definitely..KOF is inconsistent. but you're barring how many retcons Capcom has done to their games too. of course KoF becomes a lot lamer with the timeline crap though. i agree.
Retconnes help a story, not harm it. Maybe if KOF did more retconnes then maybe, just maybe it would not suck and make sense.



Originally posted by Sado22

i would say so-so here.
just a question: how much respect did Cody Travers (hero of one of capcom's original classics FF) get in sfa3? how crucial was he to the plot?and that's just one character.
what about the rest of the cast of SF3 or SF2? how important were they all to the plot.

He got none, because alpha 3 was out of character, because everyone should have been doing their own thing. Not, walking around fighting bison.Bosses are only relevant in tourney's in the SF continuity but, alpha 3 broke that tradition. The reason why was because capcom added to much characters to alpha 3's console version. They should have stuck to the arcade version instead.
Also, none of the new characters in alpha 3 played a role in the plot of alpha 3 really, except the dolls. And, I already listed who was important in Street Fighter 3.

Originally posted by Superboy Prime
All this talk about Roster Owning SNK Bosses is getting boring. Everyone seems to be able to do it, but in the end they end up losing to Kyo and the like.

Smells like bullshit.

KOF 2010 : New SNK Boss Syndrome Mega God Orochi blood infused with all data of every fighter in the omniverse and the power of heaven, hell & earth along with Satsui No Hadou, Psycho Power, Soul Power, SSJ level 8 & 7 Dragonballs takes on every single SNK creation while having an arm tied behind his back, being blindfolded, high on weed with a wooden leg, half asleep, not being serious & sitting on a wheelchair. Then the final battle takes place with him and Kyo, and Kusanagi ***** slaps him out of the screen and then gets ready to fight O. Iori. hystericalThe sad part is that honestly sounds like authentic KOF right there. Careful though. Right now some KOF writer is reading this & thinking "We gotta sign this kid. This is the best plot I've ever seen"Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
KOF, not SNK.That kind if crap doesn't happen in Samurai Spirits. It happens in Terry Bogard Adventures also. I meant FF, my badOriginally posted by Sado22

hence my above comment about you never being happy no matter what terry does.
its the same with brain.That's a falsehood. If Terry was to say get beat up & lose(ie Get KTFO or get beat to the point where he can't continue. I hate that bulls*it @ss time limit crap they like to pull w/him) like other heroes have, @least once, I'd be quite happy
Originally posted by Sado22
Sado: Terry beat Geese.
Brain: he jobbed.
Sado: Terry tied with Kyo.
Brain: Kyo jobbed. SNK doesn't want Terry to lose.
Sado: Yamazaki was beating up the entire FF3 roaster.
Brain: see! Terry can't win against anyone who is tough.
Sado: but he beat Geese and Krauser!
Brain: they were jobbing.
Sado: he beat Grant too and lasted agianst Iori aswell.
Brain: they were both jobbing.That sounds alot like me. But on my 3rd line I'da said: Let me guess, Terry still somehow avoided losing didn't he? See!? It's true. SNK doesn't want Terry to lose. I'm always right!!!!


He's a rundown on FF for anybody who wants to know about Fatal Fury(AKA Terry Bogard Adventures) Storyline. This ain't 100% accurate, but it's pretty much all you really need to know.


Terry's 1st fight w Geese: Terry gets beat up badly in the 1st parts of the fight. Then all of the sudden he gets tough and comes back to secure a victory. I'm not sure exactly how the end went, but I imagine it was like this:

Geese is punching Terry in the face while Terry is on his knees. Terry starts shaking and getting up. Geese applies more punches but it's like Geese's beating on him is actually making Terry stronger now for some magical reason. Terry blocks a punch and then wags his finger in Geese's face in a "No no no brutha" fashion. Geese throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. Geese throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. Geese throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. Terry Irish whips Geese into a wall. Geese bounces off and Terry big boots him in the face. Terry bounces off a wall and leg drops Geese. The end.Terry is victorious

That was awesome wasn't it kids? Want to learn more? Okay!
Terry vs Krauser:
Terry gets beat up badly in the 1st parts of the fight. Then all of the sudden he gets tough and comes back to secure a victory. I'm not sure exactly how the end went, but I imagine it was like this:

Krauser is punching Terry in the face while Terry is on his knees. Terry starts shaking and getting up. Krauser applies more punches but it's like Krauser's beating on him is actually making Terry stronger now for some magical reason. Terry blocks a punch and then wags his finger in Krauser's face in a "No no no brutha" fashion. Krauser throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. Krauser throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. Krauser throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. Terry Irish whips Krauser into a wall. Krauser bounces off and Terry big boots him in the face. Terry bounces off a wall and leg drops Krauser. The end. Terry is victorious! AGAIN!!!!!

Terry vs 'Zaki: 'Zaki cuts through the other FF guys(see:Jobbers & nobodies) like a hot knife through butter, but not Terry. Terry's a real American & he's got heart. Terry somehow magically avoids losing. Awesome!!!!! Not only is Terry tougher than the other FFers, he's apparently tougher than all of 'em put together! Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!

Terry vs Jins: Jins are tough and lay a beating on Terry. It's not enough to put our hero down though. Terry's a real American & he's got heart. Geese steals the Jin scrolls & weakens the jins by doing so. Terry leg drops them both. The end. Terry(w/a lil help from Geese) is victorious! AGAIN!!!!

But wait! There's more!!
Nightmare Geese vs Terry
Nightmare Geese is Geese w/the power he stole from the Jins.
Terry gets beat up badly in the 1st parts of the fight. Then all of the sudden he gets tough and comes back to secure a victory. I'm not sure exactly how the end went, but I imagine it was like this:
N.Geese is punching Terry in the face while Terry is on his knees. Terry starts shaking and getting up. N.Geese applies more punches but it's like N.Geese's beating on him is actually making Terry stronger now for some magical reason. Terry blocks a punch and then wags his finger in N.Geese's face in a "No no no brutha" fashion. N.Geese throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. N.Geese throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. N.Geese throws another punch but Terry blocks it & punches him in the face. Terry Irish whips N.Geese into a wall. N.Geese bounces off and Terry big boots him in the face. Terry bounces off a wall and leg drops N.Geese. The end.Terry is victorious. AGAIN!!!!!!

Now you know everything important about the old FF games. You're welcome. & remember kids, train hard, eat your vitamins & say your prayers.

Bison BTW.

igniz wanted to defeat the strongest fighters in the world and hence become the new god. he didn't want to destroy the world. he only wanted to destroy the world when he was defeated.
Rugal was an arms dealer whose only one intention was to be the strongest fighter and crush his opponents. he had no intention of destroying the world. not as normal rugal and not as omega rugal.
Zero only wanted to take over the world. not destroy it.
Original Zero had no such intentions aside from aiding Igniz in everyway possible.
so you are wrong emperor.


oh i didn't say Chunli is cliched. i said she's onedimensional. so are Guile, Ken and the others.

oh i didn't say Chunli is cliched. i said she's onedimensional. so are Guile, Ken and the others.


i disagree. Bison and ryu were the main characters more or less. everyone else did little for the plot...except chunli and charlie who destroyed Bison. everyone else has a minimal effect on the story. Ken, Sagat, Sakura did nothing aside from aiding ryu when he was in peril. guile only helped Chunli and Charlie which wasn't saying much since all three got pwned by Bison. cammy and the dolls...hardly did anything aside from getting their 13 @$$es kicked. IMO that's not helping a story at all. how does getting pwned help a storyline?
Rose is the only character who somewhat advanced the storyline by becoming bison's new temporary body. guy did nothing. Cody did nothing either.
or am i missing something? i admit i read the story a while back so if i'm missing something then refresh my memory.


KoF contradicts the FF-Aof storyline but not the FF-KoF storyline. terry is still the first champ in the FF-KoF storyline.


i am not complaing, dude. ur telling me that the story advances in SF2 and i'm pointing out that in no whatsoever did the story make any headway since....wait...we don't know what happened aside from Gouki raping bison. other than that all the development of the characters till SF2 was pointless cuz in the end everything is a big nothing. we don't what happened. to me SF2 is the biggest loophole and copout in the planet when it comes to storyline. it clears nothing at all. at least we know who wins the Tekken and KoF tournaments, jobbing or not.


what impact did that have on the plot? nevermind the fact that whatever happens in SF3 has no point since the story is not finished. the only closure we ever get is for Ryu, ken and Chunli, all three of whom have settled in their new lives. everything else is open. Alex's story is gone nowhere nor do we understand why Gill wanted to change him.

if you consider that a plot helping story then how about then almost any team enterign the KoF story have a relevant bit to play as in KoF97, aside from athena's team, EVERYONE had something to do with Orochi power. Terry and gang entered to help Kyo cuz he knew he would need his help. ryo too. Ikari team entered cuz of Leona's blood connection to it. Iori entered for blood connection and to get his mits on Kyo. Kyo was binded by destiny. women's team entered for help and Kagura's connection to Orochi as the sealer.

and by the way, and this isn't a dig at you or something but i've been meaning to tell you people this:
after all the years of following the stories of the games i like and KoF story more so, i have yet to read somewhere that Orochi is weakened by the flames.
the flames are not a family "bloodline" thing either. very often in videogame stories a technique passes down the family (think of Kim Jaehoon "inheritiing the phoenix combo from Kim or rock's blood having geese's power, the raging storm and deadly rave).
anyone can learn how to weild flames as is shown in KoFKyo story where Kyo's cousin learns how to weild purple flames and when Kyo asks Iori about it Iori tells kyo that never will a yagami teach "the art of weilding purple flames to one not of Yagami bloodline". that's the same reason why at times even the other orochi clan memebers were able to have flames, best example is Orochi Chris.
its more like a family art. its a fighting style...pretty much like how the Mishima's have the electricity and the kazama's have the white mist. its an art. its just like how Ryu or Ken have flames in thier attacks. only in Kyo's case its a family standard style of combat.
at the same time it doesn't say that orochi lost to the flames cuz he was weakened by them etc. he lost because he was over-powered. this may be jobbing...but it definitely is not a plot device.


don't see how this is important either.

was their ending canon now? in KoF all the regular casts' ending is canon.

...

don't see how this is important either as he doesn't help the story in anyway whatsoever.

it goes both ways, IMO, emperor. Capcom has made some crucial mistakes in their stories aswell. not telling us what happened in SF2 for one and leaving SF3 extremely open for another. at least KoF closes its sagas. KoF is by NO MEANS a perfect story as it has many crucial flaws (timeline for instance). however, the characters of KoF are famous for their better character backgrounds and story. not that this matters to you, but even in wikipedia, they note how SNK always produces well rounded and developed characters.

See ya.

~Sado

..but you know wrestling is fake right?
this was more inline with Wrestle Mania12. Think Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart in the iron man match. HBK's heart saw him through.

~Sado

Nah. Terry's boss fights are much more like the end of this I'm afraid. From the 2 min mark on it's a typical Terry/Boss battle

we are talking about other stuff again......

don't compare Terry to Hollywood "Bulk" Hogan.

Terry was pushed to the point of doing power geyser with Krauser which is his strongest move till then. kinda like how Ryu did metsu and pushed to "evil ryu level" against FAGAT....which of course isn't jobbing.

oh wait, aginst regular geese he outlasted him. kinda like how Ryu outlasted a faster, WAY stronger and more durable Hugo. but that's also not jobbing, of course.

and then against Nightmare Geese Terry was almost killed, was driven to the edge of his sanity. but terry being pushed to the edge of his sanity and performing the strongest thing he's ever done till then (triple geyser) is jobbing....though ryu beating Akuma for all the wrong reasons isn't. not to mention forcing the so-called "real godtier" (as brainy you say) to retreat after a shoryuken is also not jobbing either

but that's besides the point.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
igniz wanted to defeat the strongest fighters in the world and hence become the new god. he didn't want to destroy the world. he only wanted to destroy the world when he was defeated.

Igniz wanted to rule the world, just like bison he is no different.


Originally posted by Sado22

Rugal was an arms dealer whose only one intention was to be the strongest fighter and crush his opponents.
Those are bison's exact intention from his first appearence in Street Fighter 2.

Originally posted by Sado22

Zero only wanted to take over the world. not destroy it.
Original Zero had no such intentions aside from aiding Igniz in everyway possible.
so you are wrong emperor.

Actually, I'm far from wrong, sado, you originally claimed bison wanted to destroy the world. So, you mind showing me where this was stated, because bison from what I remeber wanted to counquer ever since Street Fighter 2. So, that means Igniz, Zero,and whatever boss snk druges is the same.



Originally posted by Sado22
oh i didn't say Chunli is cliched. i said she's onedimensional. so are Guile, Ken and the others.

How are the Mono-Dimensional, there respective stories have changed far from what it used to be.

Chun li want from wanting revenge to wanting to train kids in martial arts.

Ken went from wanting to become stronger than ryu to wanting to getting married and training with his son & Sean.

Guile quit Street Fighting, so, did many other fighters after Street Fighter 2, like chun-li but, he did not pick it up again like her.

This is are sharp contrast from characters in kof who just come year after year with no plot progress.


Originally posted by Sado22

i disagree. Bison and ryu were the main characters more or less. everyone else did little for the plot...except chunli and charlie who destroyed Bison. everyone else has a minimal effect on the story. Ken, Sagat, Sakura did nothing aside from aiding ryu when he was in peril. guile only helped Chunli and Charlie which wasn't saying much since all three got pwned by Bison. cammy and the dolls...hardly did anything aside from getting their 13 @$$es kicked. IMO that's not helping a story at all. how does getting pwned help a storyline?

Ryu,Sagat,Ken, and chun li didn't appear towards the end and did not even destroy bison. Chun-li planted bombs which resulted in the destruction of the psycho drive, that's big. Charlie held down bison and gave guile enough time to escape and kept bison from getting resultng in his death, that's big. Rose became bisons new body and Sagat Saved Ryu. The dolls & Cammy pushed bison back (Even though many died) and cammy helped the rest get their freedom by using the psycho drive before it's destruction.



Originally posted by Sado22

Rose is the only character who somewhat advanced the storyline by becoming bison's new temporary body. guy did nothing. Cody did nothing either.

Guy helped rose to the hospital, nothing big. Those punks have their own series they don't need to be the main characters of alpha.


Originally posted by Sado22

KoF contradicts the FF-Aof storyline but not the FF-KoF storyline. terry is still the first champ in the FF-KoF storyline.

So, why are there Mark of Garou characters hanging out with the original Fatal Fury cast?


Originally posted by Sado22

i am not complaing, dude. ur telling me that the story advances in SF2 and i'm pointing out that in no whatsoever did the story make any headway since....wait...we don't know what happened aside from Gouki raping bison. other than that all the development of the characters till SF2 was pointless cuz in the end everything is a big nothing. we don't what happened. to me SF2 is the biggest loophole and copout in the planet when it comes to storyline. it clears nothing at all. at least we know who wins the Tekken and KoF tournaments, jobbing or not.

What are you talking about, Street Fighter 2 came out in 1991 sado why would it have an indept plot at a time when most fighters were developing?. I never said alot happened in Street Fighter 2 excpet at it's end and we know that many fighters quit. Oh, and that guile was the main character.

Originally posted by Sado22

what impact did that have on the plot? nevermind the fact that whatever happens in SF3 has no point since the story is not finished. the only closure we ever get is for Ryu, ken and Chunli, all three of whom have settled in their new lives. everything else is open. Alex's story is gone nowhere nor do we understand why Gill wanted to change him.

The G-file was the most important thing in gills project, it detailed every piece information related to him. That's very big, and of course Street Fighter story isn't finished since it's on hiatus. And, Ryu,Ken, and Chun-li's story is just fan service since they have no impact in the main plot what-so-ever anymore. Capcom actually let's other people shine.


Originally posted by Sado22

if you consider that a plot helping story then how about then almost any team enterign the KoF story have a relevant bit to play as in KoF97, aside from athena's team, EVERYONE had something to do with Orochi power. Terry and gang entered to help Kyo cuz he knew he would need his help. ryo too.

Doesn't matter, Ryo and Terry would just get in the way since they cannot even hurt orochi what-so-ever. And, lbesides every year they "Help" and the specific details of that help is ambigous. I atleast know that ken and sakura fought bison to give sagat enough time to get ryu back to his sense in alpha 3.Then ll 4 of them pushed back bison, but what did ryo and terry do?

Originally posted by Sado22

Ikari team entered cuz of Leona's blood connection to it. Iori entered for blood connection and to get his mits on Kyo. Kyo was binded by destiny. women's team entered for help and Kagura's connection to Orochi as the sealer.

Kyo and Iori being trhe main character what's new, if someone is not not connected to orchi or has orochi blood they are not important.to any kof plot what's so ever. I remeber kensou had some dragon heart ability which I thought would be the new direction of kof. But, instead kyo& iori.


Originally posted by Sado22

don't see how this is important either.
Considering he's the proto type for twelve and gill himself wants himdead I say he is.


Originally posted by Sado22

was their ending canon now? in KoF all the regular casts' ending is canon.


Yeah, it was canon considering that it resolves their prologue.


Originally posted by Sado22

don't see how this is important either as he doesn't help the story in anyway whatsoever.

Twelve is th single most important achievement of the G-project when urien took over and is central to his master plan and you don't see how that's important, how?



Originally posted by Sado22

it goes both ways, IMO, emperor. Capcom has made some crucial mistakes in their stories aswell. not telling us what happened in SF2 for one and leaving SF3 extremely open for another.

Those aren't mistakes and they did tell us what happened after Street fighter 2 and before. Not to mention alpha 3 subsequently retconned parts of the Street Fighter 2 plot. And, Street fighter 3 is finshed all those questions are open for capcom if they ever make a Street Fighter 4.


Originally posted by Sado22

at least KoF closes its sagas.

Because it's bigger in terms of size than Street fighter, KOF has close to 100 characters. Street Fighter combined with muscle bomber and Final fight has about 50. And, kof has more games than Street Fighter.


Originally posted by Sado22

KoF is by NO MEANS a perfect story as it has many crucial flaws (timeline for instance). however, the characters of KoF are famous for their better character backgrounds and story. not that this matters to you, but even in wikipedia, they note how SNK always produces well rounded and developed characters.

See ya.

Then kof is the black sheep, almost every character is under developed. Tell me how has Xang fei, Athena, May Lee,and Ryo developed in the kof stroryline. I could name more but, I'm tired, see ya.

~Sado

i took the destroying the world bit from his in-game rambling in his own ending. sounded pretty reliable to me. he said:
"i will destroy the world and my name will remain forever" or something like that.


iori is way too multidimensional for all characters of Capcom combined so i'll pass on that.
lets see:
Benimaru: went from someone trying to steal Kyo's thunder to one who respects the weight his friend carries and supports him with everything he has, then went to leader of a the Japan team twice and returned again in the Ash Saga to aid Kyo against he renewed Orochi threat.
the above alone is a lot more interesting than chunli's 10+ years story. all she did was want revenege, failed time and time again, and with having nothing else to do with her life opened a kung fu school. sounds like has-been's life to me. where's the development? the only reason she changed was cuz Akuma did her job for her. in the years from SFA2 to SF2 spanning around 6 years...how much did she change?
between KoF94 to KoF96 Benimaru changed quite a bit in the ways i told you.


dude....that's hardly any different from Goro Daimon!!
wanted to show Judo is the best, couldn't, got married and had a child. returned in 2001 and 2003 to aid his friends.
also Andy went from one trying to be better than his brother, letting his emotions get the better of him, failing, and finally acknoweledging that Terry is better. at least that's more characters since he's admitting that since he got pwned by the man that Terry pwned, then Terry is better.
Ken never acknowledged Ryu's obvious superiority despite knowing it since childhood (when he changed his ki to red to get attention).


and that's multidimensional...how?
the only character by capcom who is multidimensional is Cody. went from hero, to jail breaker and back to hero again. he has flaws and his character changed overtime. by multidimensional it is this "fluctuation" in character that i'm talking about and in some major way or life changing way. you know, have epiphanies. think Kazuya. he's multidimensional. so is Heihachi. so is Iori and K'.


in the past 10 years htat ryu has been fighting...how much change did he go through. the only good bit was the part between SFA2 and SFA3 where he was mentally confused. however, from SF2 to SF3...how much has Ryu changed? how much has he changed in a span of 5 years? Ken didn't change even in the slightest till SF3 where he finally matured a bit (as is seen in his victory comments).


ooh...that's me doing what used to annoy before. sorry
i meant Charlie and Chunli destroyed bison by blowing up the psycho drives. that's what i meant. also i said Ryu, Chunli, Guile and Charlie and Bison are more or less the main characters. Cammy's story to me isn't too relevant cuz she doesn't advance the story. same with the dolls...do we ever see them again? but that just my opinion. lets leave it at that.
Rose becomes his new body...okay that about advances the story as much as Geonitz when he claims that the power of Orochi will always return.
I agree with Sagat bit though. Sagat and Cody are the only multidimensional and developed characters of the SF universe. they went through various evolutions and epiphanies and a new understanding of things...and more importantly of who they are. the rest of the cast is the same as they were in SF1. they are bland.


so why complain that Ryo and the Aof people, Terry and the FF people, athana and her people from her own game, Ikari team of Ikari warriors don't get too prominant in KoF...a game that is not about them?
heck at least Terry, Ryo, Athena DO something. Cody didn't even come across bison. the dolls, characters we've never seen since, did more than Cody. now who gives who respect, emperor.
SNK gives respect to both new and old heroes. Terry is never trampled on. nor did he beat Kyo perfect just cuz Kyo, an 18 year old boy in KoF94 was a rookie. nor did Terry trample over Rock who was half his age. Respect given to the heroes. Capcom could use that.
AND...don't call Cody a punk


if you go age wise, then Terry would be 32 or 31 in KoFXI. he is 35 in MOTW. doesn't sound too weird to me since its only a three year gap. but i see your point and i admitted that KoF plots have a lot of inconsistencies thanks to the timeline crap.


huh?
so what has happened regarding SF2 with SF2: revival? all those retcons done and we're still at square one aren't we?


and all would be irrelevent because SF4 is never coming out. on wiki they quote some guy from Capcom mentioning how fighting games (2D) are just a niche and hence Capcom doesn't want to do anything with it. not the most reliable but with the last SF coming out almost 10 years ago, its doesn't sound too "impossible".
capcom let other people shine? by making Ryu beat Alex, the new hero, perfect? come now.


did you read what i posted this morning?


i agree on this bit. we could use non-flame weilders. though Alba isn't a flame weilder, you are right. 4 new heroes in KoF of which 3 are flame weilders.


-who beat who in SF2?
-who won SF2?
-did Akuma kill bison b4 the final or after it?
-how much did the characters evolve?
-what new dimensions did the fighters grow?


Xang Fei: about as relevent to even FF as E Honda or R Mika or Feil Long or Makuto or Sean or Guy or Cody or Karin Kanzuki or Blanka or Dan or Sodom or T Hawk or Dee Jay or Zangief or Dhalsim (except hte bit where he helped Cammy...which is speculation) or Rolento...or i could go on forever.

May Lee: new member of Justice team. fights evil and intends to carry out and follow Kim as her role model. think Sakura. and what did she do in SFA2 execpt making ryu take a dive and giving an unspecified amount of help to Ken in SFA3? keyword being unspecified. and that's different from Terry and the rest of the non-flamers pwning Ingiz how?

Ryo: like Sakura gave "crucial" help to Kyo against the likes of Omega Rugal, Orochi and Igniz. if you think Sakura was playing a major role than Ryo just played a role 3-times more major than hers right of the top of my head. aside from that he is the first winner of KoF, is the new Mr. Karate and probably going to hook up with King somewhere down the line which is a smal romance thing going. see...development?

as i said both KoF and SF have their flaws but overall KoF has the better more developed characters despite having a bigger cast to handle. and again, they are noted for it. Capcom isn't.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
i took the destroying the world bit from his in-game rambling in his own ending. sounded pretty reliable to me. he said:
"i will destroy the world and my name will remain forever" or something like that.

Mind stating which game, because I don't ever remembering that ever being stated in any game.

Originally posted by Sado22

iori is way too multidimensional for all characters of Capcom combined so i'll pass on that.
lets see:
Benimaru: went from someone trying to steal Kyo's thunder to one who respects the weight his friend carries and supports him with everything he has, then went to leader of a the Japan team twice and returned again in the Ash Saga to aid Kyo against he renewed Orochi threat.

So, after 9 canon games that's it, and the only reason why he lead team japan on his own was because kyo was in the Sacred Treasure team. And, how did he help Kyo against ash when he wasn't even there when kyo was owned by Orochi Iori?

And, Iori's always being shoved down our throats, I could careless how "Multi-Dimensional" he is. Because him and kyo are a blantanly over used main character.


Originally posted by Sado22

the above alone is a lot more interesting than chunli's 10+ years story. all she did was want revenege, failed time and time again, and with having nothing else to do with her life opened a kung fu school. sounds like has-been's life to me. where's the development?
Are you kiddding me, she blew up the Psycho Drive which killed bison, So, she successeded. Also she was on Hiatus for 6 years, and has appeared in 4 canon games.


Originally posted by Sado22

the only reason she changed was cuz Akuma did her job for her. in the years from SFA2 to SF2 spanning around 6 years...how much did she change?

Like I said above, she inadvertantly killed bison in alpha 3. Actually, it's five years, Alpha 2 takes place in 1989 and Street Fighter 2 1993. And, how did she change? Here' some examples: She went from being an interpol officer in alpha 2 to a anti- Shadaloo special criminal investigator during Alpha 3 and finally narcotics investigator during the SF2 series. She quit Street Fighting after Street Fighter 2, because she pretty much accomplished everything she wanted to do since she started Street Fighting.




Originally posted by Sado22

dude....that's hardly any different from Goro Daimon!!
wanted to show Judo is the best, couldn't, got married and had a child. returned in 2001 and 2003 to aid his friends.
Actually, there is a difference, ken actually help in the fight against bison and his exsistence mattered. Daimon hasn't done jack but ambigously helped.

Originally posted by Sado22


also Andy went from one trying to be better than his brother, letting his emotions get the better of him, failing, and finally acknoweledging that Terry is better. at least that's more characters since he's admitting that since he got pwned by the man that Terry pwned, then Terry is better.

What else is knew, everyone has to admitt terry is better in Fatal Fury.

Originally posted by Sado22

Ken never acknowledged Ryu's obvious superiority despite knowing it since childhood (when he changed his ki to red to get attention).
Because he isn't a character that loses just to make terry look good, Ken actually has beaten terry. That's for from what I can say about Andy.



Originally posted by Sado22

and that's multidimensional...how?
the only character by capcom who is multidimensional is Cody. went from hero, to jail breaker and back to hero again. he has flaws and his character changed overtime. by multidimensional it is this "fluctuation" in character that i'm talking about and in some major way or life changing way. you know, have epiphanies. think Kazuya. he's multidimensional. so is Heihachi. so is Iori and K'.
Guile went from being sent to apprehend charlie to aiding him in his fight against bison, to wanting revenge for him, to finally settling down.
He has changed overtime, since he isn't blood thristy anymore.



Originally posted by Sado22

in the past 10 years htat ryu has been fighting...

But, I already said Ryu is Mono-Dimensional.

Originally posted by Sado22

ooh...that's me doing what used to annoy before. sorry
i meant Charlie and Chunli destroyed bison by blowing up the psycho drives. that's what i meant. also i said Ryu, Chunli, Guile and Charlie and Bison are more or less the main characters. Cammy's story to me isn't too relevant cuz she doesn't advance the story. same with the dolls...do we ever see them again? but that just my opinion. lets leave it at that.


Actually, cammy is important considering her plot mentions bisons body snatching and the psycho drive for the first time. Your right about the dolss though.


Originally posted by Sado22

Rose becomes his new body...okay that about advances the story as much as Geonitz when he claims that the power of Orochi will always return.

Well, considering that if bison hadn't done that he be dean and there'd be no Street Fighter 2.So, that's more important than what Goatnutz did.





Originally posted by Sado22

so why complain that Ryo and the Aof people, Terry and the FF people, athana and her people from her own game, Ikari team of Ikari warriors don't get too prominant in KoF...a game that is not about them?

Actually, it is, the premis of KOF was AOF vs FF yet no one but some new characters plays a role.

Originally posted by Sado22

heck at least Terry, Ryo, Athena DO something. Cody didn't even come across bison. the dolls, characters we've never seen since, did more than Cody. now who gives who respect, emperor.

The dolls were horrible plot point, thank god they vanished. 13 cammy's, that was horrible. Cody has his own game, so, screw him and any other Final Fight character. And, capcom does give respect, they made a Final Fight chracter survive one of the strongest moves in the Street Fighter Univers I.E. Hugo Survivng the Shin-Shou-Ryuken.


Originally posted by Sado22

SNK gives respect to both new and old heroes. Terry is never trampled on. nor did he beat Kyo perfect just cuz Kyo, an 18 year old boy in KoF94 was a rookie. nor did Terry trample over Rock who was half his age. Respect given to the heroes. Capcom could use that.
AND...don't call Cody a punk

Because Snk follows that stupid heroes must win attitude.And, Ilike cody alot, but he fights dirty and he's a bum

Originally posted by Sado22

if you go age wise, then Terry would be 32 or 31 in KoFXI. he is 35 in MOTW. doesn't sound too weird to me since its only a three year gap. but i see your point and i admitted that KoF plots have a lot of inconsistencies thanks to the timeline crap.

Yeah, but none of the big KOF events can never be refrenced in FF. Not, to mention that kof ignores FF timeline.

Originally posted by Sado22
huh?
so what has happened regarding SF2 with SF2: revival? all those retcons done and we're still at square one aren't we?

Because the entire plot of Stree tfighter was single handley Regulated by Noritaki Funizu and he retired from Capcom, so, that's why.

Originally posted by Sado22


capcom let other people shine? by making Ryu beat Alex, the new hero, perfect? come now.

Alex beat Balrog in the Vale Tudo match and other veteran fighters from the Street Fighter/Final Fight universe like jerald Gobly and Balrog.Even weak sean knocked out a famous wrestler in an event featuring zangief. Stuff like that never happens in the KOF universe.


Originally posted by Sado22

-who beat who in SF2?
-who won SF2?
-did Akuma kill bison b4 the final or after it?
-how much did the characters evolve?
-what new dimensions did the fighters grow?

-Gouki killed bison
-Most characters had their stories resolved and quit Street Fighting


Originally posted by Sado22


Xang Fei: about as relevent to even FF as E Honda or R Mika or Feil Long or Makuto or Sean or Guy or Cody or Karin Kanzuki or Blanka or Dan or Sodom or T Hawk or Dee Jay or Zangief or Dhalsim (except hte bit where he helped Cammy...which is speculation) or Rolento...or i could go on forever. And, out of all those Street Fighters you named.Tell em how many of them are still Street Fighting versus the useless KOF characters appearing every year doing nothing? Also, note alpha 3 isn't supposed to have a main story. Everyone is supposed to do their own thing like in alpha 2.Main stories only appear in tourney's.


Originally posted by Sado22

May Lee: new member of Justice team. fights evil and intends to carry out and follow Kim as her role model. think Sakura. and what did she do in SFA2 execpt making ryu take a dive and giving an unspecified amount of help to Ken in SFA3? keyword being unspecified. and that's different from Terry and the rest of the non-flamers pwning Ingiz how?
It's different because there was no main story in alpha 2, everyone did their own thing just like Third Strike.Alpah 3 should have followed the same routine but, did not and sucks I admitt that. KOF however always has a villian plot which is essential to the story that no one fights but the flamers.

Originally posted by Sado22

as i said both KoF and SF have their flaws but overall KoF has the better more developed characters despite having a bigger cast to handle. and again, they are noted for it. Capcom isn't.


That's your opinion sado, I see it differently. Kof's plot sucks and nothing is going to change my opinion. They constantly introduce new characters that have no effect on the plot and yet they continuesly bring them back. They have so manyt timeline problems and the series is repetitve.

Originally posted by Sado22
don't compare Terry to Hollywood "Bulk" Hogan.Tell SNK not to have his boss fights follow the same tired ass Hogan routine then. I just thought about something .Terry Bogard.......Terry Bollea(Hogan's real name). It makes perfect sense now!!!!!

Originally posted by Sado22
Terry was pushed to the point of doing power geyser with Krauser which is his strongest move till then. kinda like how Ryu did metsu and pushed to "evil ryu level" against FAGAT....which of course isn't jobbing.Like contradicting yourself? I thought you were the guy who kept bringing up that Ryu won via cheapshot? So NO it's not jobbing. Sagat's a 1st class ass kicker that Ryu had to cheapshot to win. If Terry had to cheapshot somebody it'd be a refreshing & much needed break from his monotonous Hulk Hogan ROUTINE. Geese & Krauser could learn plenty from Sagat about not jobbing all the time. Please don't change stuff just to try to get a point across mane. You're better than that.
Originally posted by Sado22
oh wait, aginst regular geese he outlasted him.Just like Hulk Hogan outlasted his opponents.

Originally posted by Sado22
kinda like how Ryu outlasted a faster, WAY stronger and more durable Hugo. but that's also not jobbing, of course.I didn't know Hugo was faster than Ryu. That's news to me. Hugo's use of chi is nothing compared to Ryu. Ryu's also far better at striking whereas Hugo's a tough grappler. Ryu likely had to hit Hugo a lot more than Hugo was able to hit Ryu. It's not jobbing & you know it. I can't believe you're trying to make it seem like Ryu jobs people the way Terry does. Ryu's not the master of the Hogan Routine. Terry is. (Bogard and Bollea). Kudos to you for dropping the "Ryu probably lost to Hugo" routine though.
Originally posted by Sado22
and then against Nightmare Geese Terry was almost killed, was driven to the edge of his sanity. but terry being pushed to the edge of his sanity and performing the strongest thing he's ever done till then (triple geyser) is jobbing....though ryu beating Akuma for all the wrong reasons isn't. not to mention forcing the so-called "real godtier" (as brainy you say) to retreat after a shoryuken is also not jobbing eitherBison got "rolled on" so it's not jobbing. Geese gets his ass beaten twice in a row by the ONE FU*KIN' GUY. The same guy in pretty much the same way. JOBBING! Come on Sado, be nice & stop making me talk about Geese. This ain't right I never knew Ryu had beaten Akuma in canon. How'd he do it? He do it on the 1st try like Terry does everybody he's beaten? Or did they build up to it?

Originally posted by brainchild81

Bison got "rolled on" so it's not jobbing. Geese gets his ass beaten twice in a row by the ONE FU*KIN' GUY. The same guy in pretty much the same way. JOBBING! Come on Sado, be nice & stop making me talk about Geese. This ain't right I never knew Ryu had beaten Akuma in canon. How'd he do it? He do it on the 1st try like Terry does everybody he's beaten? Or did they build up to it?

Seriously though. Taking up for something is admirable, but why change stuff around to suit your POV & why ignore the horrible truth that's right in front of you. Ryu beat Akuma straight up?

Sado, let me sum this up for you by citing examples. Let's compare Guiles Story Progress to Benimaru.

Guile was originally sent by his officers to apprehend Charlie because of Charlies investigation of Shadowloo. Charlie was building weapons after being transfered for investigating Shadowloo. When guile arrived he was briefed by charlie (which happens to be a military hero) about why he was transfered and what he was doing. Prior to this, guile was just following orders but , then decided to become an ally to Charlie and Chun-li.During the course of alpha 3, a weak guile (Hadn't even mastered the Sonic boom and somersault kick, ignore the game play please).Charlie ended up sacrificing his life to save guiles. This caused Guile to only become focused on avenging charlies death. He became the main man in post bison Anti-Shadowloo Operations tracking down and disabling remaining shadowloo bases.And, when bison was revived in his weaker body, he tried to arresst him and charge him with charlies death but, the courts found bison not guilty.Bison had influenced the court,afterwards when bison sent invitations to the second Street Fighter Tournament guile found himself there waiting searching for revenge. After gouki killed bison, he decided to go back to his family and find peace, quit Street Fighting and lived happily ever after.

(This is a rough draft,btw)

Now, let's compare that to benimaru who:Tried to steal kyo's flair and then learned to respect him, The End. Oh, he lead team japan to nothing.
And, that's after nine canon games vs guiles two canon appearence's. And, where's benimaru now and what's he doing?

Originally posted by Sado22
i meant "if i said that" actually. anyway i was just being sarcastic. i was responding to this quote yours:

what i meant to say was that if Terry got laid out by Ignitz you probably would have said "see he's not so strong and just jobs". however, he wasn't and was there till the end with Kyo, Iori and K'. but now...to you it only means that SNK is preserving Terry's reputation and giving fan service (which is good by the way).
hence my above comment about you never being happy no matter what terry does.
its the same with brain.

Sado: Terry beat Geese.
Brain: he jobbed.
Sado: Terry tied with Kyo.
Brain: Kyo jobbed. SNK doesn't want Terry to lose.
Sado: Yamazaki was beating up the entire FF3 roaster.
Brain: see! Terry can't win against anyone who is tough.
Sado: but he beat Geese and Krauser!
Brain: they were jobbing.
Sado: he beat Grant too and lasted agianst Iori aswell.
Brain: they were both jobbing.

IMO what lightness says is the truth......who cares how or why?



Sado no matter what you or I try to explain to BC, it's never going to change his opinion of Terry Bogard. Sh!t I remember when he disliked him because of the anime, now with this continuing jobbing crap and now it's the comparison to Hulk Hogan. I wish he would just come out and say he hates the character(which it seems he does even though he claims otherwise). Heck I hate Iori and I don't like Kyo. Imagine if Kyo and Iori were in FF. They would probably be "jobbing" more than Terry. It would seem that Kyo is the champ in the team tournaments but as you know Sado, Kyo is ALSO the champ in the SINGLE japan tournaments....what does that sound like to you?




Originally posted by Sado22
also emp, Terry, Ryo, Kyo, Iori, K' and all the other fighters were there in the fight. Ignitz only managed to defeat K' and his team till Kyo, Iori and the rest showed up. Terry was even there till the end of the fight against Ignitz (KLantis confirms). Ryo was there too. Kyo, Iori and K' didn't do it on their own by any means.
i hope you and SBP are happy now



Is it stated that Terry, Ryo and the other fighters were present? Cause I sure hear allot of Kyo and Iori taking credit of defeating the boss(again)even though The Nests Saga was K's story, it was still a Kyo and Iori wankfest as it would seem.



Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
That sounds like fanservice, we all know terry and Ryo would have died if they fought igniz. But, to keep there reputations as unbeatables and not have them interfere in the flame users plot. Snk had them do nothing, now I'm glad I dropped KOF completely.


You obviously have not seen any KOF manga or comics have you? Ryo is made to look strong. Terry gets beaten like a ragdoll left and right, and Kyo and Iori defeat teams singlehandedly. The make Terry out to be a total loser. I wonder did someone HERE have anything to do with it



Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
KOF, not SNK.That kind if crap doesn't happen in Samurai Spirits.



That's why Samurai Spirits is the only great playmore title left.




Originally posted by King Nothing
IMO, The problem with KOF is bad writing, if it's even writen at all. Some times I think SNK just freestyles the story as the new game develops.



Amen Brotha!


Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
But, that's all they ever do, never mind that the timeline of KOF contradicts FF completely. So, them helping does not effect their respective plots at all.


It does since KOF is the only playmore title. Most of the new people to KOF, love Kyo and Iori and could give a sh!t about FF or AOF and when is the last time we have seen those games?...or Terry and Ryo playing ANY importance for that matter. It's all Kyo and Iori and the other fighters(Terry and Ryo included)seem to be slot fillers.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Sado no matter what you or I try to explain to BC, it's never going to change his opinion of Terry Bogard. Sh!t I remember when he disliked him because of the anime, now with this continuing jobbing crap and now it's the comparison to Hulk Hogan. I wish he would just come out and say he hates the character(which it seems he does even though he claims otherwise). Heck I hate IoriSo now it's back to hate? @least you're being honest. I respect that. That seems to be why you can't see Terry losing to O.Iori even though logic seriously points to it. It's someone you love losing to someone you hate. Truth is I don't like Terry. We know that. I'm actually trying to man. He trained my 2nd fave SNK guy(who's also my 3rd fave in all of fighting games), he can't be all that bad can he? Seriously though SNK made it damn hard w/the way they d*ckeat the guy in FF @ everybody else's expense. Sado talked about Andy admitting Terry was better. Big deal. SNK went to great lengths to make that painfully obvious from the start. Terry's better than everybody from FF. Way better. The FF storyline was basically Terry kicking @ss and the others getting their's kicked. The way he never loses is just boring as hell. Terry gets beatdown & then somehow gets angry & magically comes back(In all his boss fights). That don't sound anything like Hogan to you? Seriously? Since the movies have been brought up, I noticed 1 thing the movies have over the flat out horrible & redundant writing in the games. They did the unthinkable. Terry actually lost in his 1st fight w/Krauser. Guess what? The world didn't cease to exsist blood bro. You've said b4 how Terry can win & he can lose. Now we just gotta get SNK to be that smart. I don't hate him, I just hate how SNK uses him. He even looks cool now since he dropped the pizza delivery boy costume.
Originally posted by P-Geyser
and I don't like Kyo. Imagine if Kyo and Iori were in FF. They would probably be "jobbing" more than Terry.That's a possibility, but it's also irrelevant. One thing we ARE sure of is that Terry already did job the hell outta folk in the same tired way & that he never lost & nobody else had any of the glory he basked in.

Originally posted by brainchild81
So now it's back to hate? @least you're being honest. I respect that. That seems to be why you can't see Terry losing to O.Iori even though logic seriously points to it. It's someone you love losing to someone you hate. Truth is I don't like Terry. We know that. I'm actually trying to man. He trained my 2nd fave SNK guy(who's also my 3rd fave in all of fighting games), he can't be all that bad can he? Seriously though SNK made it damn hard w/the way they d*ckeat the guy in FF @ everybody else's expense. Sado talked about Andy admitting Terry was better. Big deal. SNK went to great lengths to make that painfully obvious from the start. Terry's better than everybody from FF. Way better. The FF storyline was basically Terry kicking @ss and the others getting their's kicked. The way he never loses is just boring as hell. Terry gets beatdown & then somehow gets angry & magically comes back(In all his boss fights). That don't sound anything like Hogan to you? Seriously? Since the movies have been brought up, I noticed 1 thing the movies have over the flat out horrible & redundant writing in the games. They did the unthinkable. Terry actually lost in his 1st fight w/Krauser. Guess what? The world didn't cease to exsist blood bro. You've said b4 how Terry can win & he can lose. Now we just gotta get SNK to be that smart. I don't hate him, I just hate how SNK uses him. He even looks cool now since he dropped the pizza delivery boy costume.
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Hehe... I had the feeling my response to Sado would make you reply. My opinion of O Iori still stands. Cmon now you hate Terry and you know it...and thats fine. It's not like Sado or myself are asking you to like him. So let me ask you since you talk about the hogan scenerio...what about Rocky? You also make it seem as if Terry never lost a fight since day one. I guess on his survival in the streets of southtown, he was owning everybody I actually prefer the old Terry. The Garou Terry looks to damn much like Ken plus he is a little Chunky. Also you state on how you hate the way SNK uses Terry.....you know what I can understand that. I also hate how they use Kyo and Iori to come in and save the day beating the boss, while the other fighters stand looking in dumb amazement.




Originally posted by brainchild81
That's a possibility, but it's also irrelevant. One thing we ARE sure of is that Terry already did job the hell outta folk in the same tired way & that he never lost & nobody else had any of the glory he basked in.

The same with Kyo and Iori coming in to save the day and being the only one's to defeat the boss.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
Hehe... I had the feeling my response to Sado would make you reply.I knew you knew I was going to reply PG
Originally posted by P-Geyser
My opinion of O Iori still stands.Against all logic.
Originally posted by P-Geyser
Cmon now you hate Terry and you know it...and thats fine.You have a right to think that. I just hate bad writing. I see how easy that is to get confused since that's all Terry seems to be involved in You know who I hate. He wears a gi & looks alot like Ken
Originally posted by P-Geyser
It's not like Sado or myself are asking you to like him. So let me ask you since you talk about the hogan scenerio...what about Rocky?His name isn't Terry. Terry Bollea....Terry Bogard
Originally posted by P-Geyser
You also make it seem as if Terry never lost a fight since day one. I guess on his survival in the streets of southtown, he was owning everybody I actually prefer the old Terry. The Garou Terry looks to damn much like Ken plus he is a little Chunky. Also you state on how you hate the way SNK uses Terry.....you know what I can understand that. I also hate how they use Kyo and Iori to come in and save the day beating the boss, while the other fighters stand looking in dumb amazement.@least they were standing this time. Unlike in FF where they all got FUBARed except Terry. @least it's not just one guy hoggin' up every last shred of glory like Terry did. Terry's earlier stuff doesn't count obviously because they still call him "The UNbeaten Wolf" Have him lose in a game like everybody else does & I'll be happy.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
The same with Kyo and Iori coming in to save the day and being the only one's to defeat the boss. It's not the same & you know it. I think the chick helped. Terry jobbed the bosses all by himself. Glory hog mane!

let me summarize it then:
considered charlie hero, was a wimp which caused Charlie's death (in a roundabout way), wants to kill bison for it, didnt and lived happily ever after.
my role as baby penguin in the play i did in Class2 had more character than that.
-trying to grow up and become famous, wanted to be like daddy, failed and then understood how to live with himself.
get serious man.

also Benimaru lead the team japan to the finals on both occassions, in 2000 as its strongest member. in KoFXI he is opposing Ash after knowing what happened in 2003. what is cammy doing in SF2? what about thawk, dee jay, fei long, zangeif etc?


contradicting myself? how?
ryu DID win by a cheapshot and but if you would ever pay attention to what i'm saying you'd understand that i'm not.
think about, genius:
-Ryu was pushed to his limit and so was Terry
-ryu unleashed his strongest move yet (metsushoryuken) and so did Terry.
so what part of it DIDN'T get through? but of course if terry is pushed to his limit and unleashes his deadliest move yet its jobbing.
and at least Terry didn't do it while Krauser walked up to him and was about to help him up.


spare me the kudos.
so now chi attacks matter. it wasn't too long ago that someone was talking about how 3D fighters aren't in league with the 2D. Gen doesn't have chi attack either...and guess who pwned the "godtier of godtiers" akuma? he probably has one or two at most.
chi attacks don't matter in the SF verse...kinda like the rest of the videogame world but...i'll pass. that's the first thing.
second, Hugo isn't faster? he moves around pretty quick for a guy his size. and some of his moves are actually pretty darn fast. his clothesline is way faster than ryu's "sweet chin music"
Ryu's better at striking...with what: his three special moves? oh wait now its four. get serious.
and you have no proof over who hit who more. Ryu did the pansyshoryuken which didn't tople him either....and yet somehow beat him magically though his strongest move couldn't. that doesn't even make sense. its like kazuya doing EGWF to hachi, failing to Ko him and then defeats him by a risingupper....something that's FAR from his strongest move.

so here's a thought:
a guy who beat someone almost twice his size, more experienced (hugo's been fighting since before FF), about as fast, a LOT stronger, who wasn't toppled by the strongest move but still was defeated is not jobbing.
but
a guy who beat someone bigger than him, much slower (since terry is famous for his speed), stronger, more experienced who was hit by his strongest move yet is jobbing.


dont use wikipedia as a reliable source. terry never lost to krauser.
also as for the hogan comment:
-geese and terry's fight was going in geese's side. terry just proved to be more durable than him. he took a beating but bounced back from it. it wasn't anger, hate or something. terry abandoned the whole hate crap way before his fight with geese. his fight with geese was about enjoying the fight. so you're wrong.
-krauser and terry were going pretty even. krauser did kaiser wave and in terry did the powergeyser...and won. so you're wrong again.
-the only time what you said about "terry getting angry and then winning" happened in his fight with nightmare geese.
so....no, you're wrong. as usual.

~Sado

Originally posted by brainchild81
laugh:I knew you knew I was going to reply PG


I know you to reply consistently.....Mr Sharpton.


Originally posted by brainchild81
Against all logic.



As I said time and time again it did not say specifically Terry was among the fighters even though Sado says otherwise



Originally posted by brainchild81
You have a right to think that. I just hate bad writing. I see how easy that is to get confused since that's all Terry seems to be involved in You know who I hate. He wears a gi & looks alot like Ken



Ofcourse I have the right I hate bad writing also...especially when it deals with clones and flameusers being the only fighters to be considered the best over the rest...yeah I agree. I know that name.....boy if the peeps from S-C saw that, there would should be an uproar...might actually link them to this site

Originally posted by brainchild81
His name isn't Terry. Terry Bollea....Terry Bogard


I was talking about Rocky Balboa hotshot.


Originally posted by brainchild81
@least they were standing this time. Unlike in FF where they all got FUBARed except Terry. @least it's not just one guy hoggin' up every last shred of glory like Terry did. Terry's earlier stuff doesn't count obviously because they still call him "The UNbeaten Wolf" Have him lose in a game like everybody else does & I'll be happy.

Let the hate shine!... let it shine!... let it shine!... let it SHINE! Who said and where has it been stated, that everyone in FF was "FUBARed" as you so like to put. Show me a link please...if not than to reapeat YOUR exact words "kill that noise". Also you seem to rely HEAVILY on Sado's site(kickass site BTW) stating "The Unbeaten wolf"...everywhere else he is called the Lone wolf. You just hate Terry so much and want him to lose. As what you told me about Iori...I can say "Thats how he rolls"


Originally posted by brainchild81
It's not the same & you know it. I think the chick helped. Terry jobbed the bosses all by himself. Glory hog mane!


It is. Actually it was Kyo who got the final blow in and the chicks name is Chizuru. Terry and the rest are made to look weak while the flamethrowers save the day because they seem to be the only one's that can hurt any godly boss. Flame Users are the glory hogs mane. Remember it's only KOF as of now.

Originally posted by Sado22
contradicting myself? how?
ryu DID win by a cheapshot and but if you would ever pay attention to what i'm saying you'd understand that i'm not.
think about, genius:
-Ryu was pushed to his limit and so was Terry
-ryu unleashed his strongest move yet (metsushoryuken) and so did Terry.
so what part of it DIDN'T get through? but of course if terry is pushed to his limit and unleashes his deadliest move yet its jobbing.
and at least Terry didn't do it while Krauser walked up to him and was about to help him up.People w/jobber auras like Terry never have to cheapshot anybody mane. You said Originally posted by Sado22
Terry was pushed to the point of doing power geyser with Krauser which is his strongest move till then. kinda like how Ryu did metsu and pushed to "evil ryu level" against FAGAT....which of course isn't jobbing. How can it be jobbing if Ryu had to cheapshot to win? That's the contradiction. Geese jobbed. Sagat didn't.
Originally posted by Sado22
spare me the kudos.
so now chi attacks matter. it wasn't too long ago that someone was talking about how 3D fighters aren't in league with the 2D. Gen doesn't have chi attack eitherChi isn't just about fireballs mane.
Originally posted by Sado22
...and guess who pwned the "godtier of godtiers" akuma? he probably has one or two at most.
chi attacks don't matter in the SF verse...kinda like the rest of the videogame world but...i'll pass. that's the first thing.Apparently they do, that's why they are there genius.
Originally posted by Sado22
second, Hugo isn't faster? he moves around pretty quick for a guy his size. and some of his moves are actually pretty darn fast. his clothesline is way faster than ryu's "sweet chin music"
Ryu's better at striking...with what: his three special moves? oh wait now its four. get serious.Act like you have some sense. It's not always about special moves genius. Otherwise they wouldn't have anything but special moves and they wouldn't be so "special"
Originally posted by Sado22
and you have no proof over who hit who more. Ryu did the pansyshoryuken which didn't tople him either....and yet somehow beat him magically though his strongest move couldn't.I think you've been told many times about this. I'll simply it as much as I can for you. If we fight & you hit me as hard as you can & it doesn't stop me, are you going to be a moron & say "I hit him w/my best shot & that didn't stop me, it's obvious I can't win. I surrender"? Or are you going to keep attacking me until I get worn down from the punishment? Seriously Sado, this is not rocket science. Think next time mane.
Originally posted by Sado22
that doesn't even make sense. its like kazuya doing EGWF to hachi, failing to Ko him and then defeats him by a risingupper....something that's FAR from his strongest move.read what I posted above. You'll learn something.
Originally posted by Sado22
so here's a thought:
a guy who beat someone almost twice his size, more experienced (hugo's been fighting since before FF), about as fast, a LOT stronger, who wasn't toppled by the strongest move but still was defeated is not jobbing.Again. Read above.
Originally posted by Sado22
but
a guy who beat someone bigger than him, much slower (since terry is famous for his speed), stronger, more experienced who was hit by his strongest move yet is jobbing.Yeah, that take a beating then magically come back stuff has been done to death.
Originally posted by Sado22
dont use wikipedia as a reliable source. terry never lost to krauser.You're starting to remind me of that guy who doesn't understand what he reads. I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE MOVIE GENIUS!!!
Originally posted by Sado22
also as for the hogan comment:
-geese and terry's fight was going in geese's side. terry just proved to be more durable than him. he took a beating but bounced back from it. it wasn't anger, hate or something. terry abandoned the whole hate crap way before his fight with geese. his fight with geese was about enjoying the fight. so you're wrong.
-krauser and terry were going pretty even. krauser did kaiser wave and in terry did the powergeyser...and won. so you're wrong again.
-the only time what you said about "terry getting angry and then winning" happened in his fight with nightmare geese.
so....no, you're wrong. as usual.Wrong for giving you too much credit it seems. YOU are the one who said Krauser was giving Terry a beating IIRC. That's where I got it from maneOriginally posted by P-Geyser
As I said time and time again it did not say specifically Terry was among the fighters even though Sado says otherwiseA site you sent me to had Terry with them as Kyo's justice friends. Are you saying you don't think he was there? O.Iori still beat up Kyo & Shingo while Terry hasn't beaten Kyo on his lonesome. Seriously, how can Terry hope to stalemate him?
Originally posted by P-Geyser
I was talking about Rocky Balboa hotshot.So was I hothead. Rocky's name isn't Terry but Hogan's is.
Originally posted by P-Geyser
It is. Actually it was Kyo who got the final blow in and the chicks name is Chizuru.It's automatically not then because they are sharing the spotlight. Who the hell did Terry share the spotlight w/in his battles? Who was still standing on Terry's side but Terry? Of course they didn't really get FUBARED by 'Zaki. Otherwise they wouldn't be recognizable anymore. The point is they were rendered unconcious or useless by him so that Terry could have any glory to be had FOR HIMSELF. That's a glory hog if there's ever been one mane.

Originally posted by P-Geyser
You just hate Terry so much and want him to lose.
Are you saying I hate him because I want him to go through the same sh*t other heroes have? If Terry ain't unbeaten who's beaten him? Don't contradict yourself in the answer please.

man you really don't when to shutup do you?

i take that you don't have a proper reply to this and are just rambling then.

so you admit its a cheapshot. so after all these months atleast a tiny percentage did get through your brain. kudos.

no it isn't. it can be about flames, glowing fists etc as well. but Tekkne doesn't count since they only electricity leaping off their fists when they smack you 20 to 30 feet away with basic punches.

not in the way i was talking about. they aren't match winners nor are they absolutely crucial. otherwise alex won't be the making it to the semis of SF3.

you said one line up:

make up your mind. so are you agreeing with me or disagreeing.

as you said to me in our first argument:
you and me=real people
ryu and hugo=not real people
and since you assumed last time that it makes sense so will i. happy?

krauser and Terry's fight was pretty "intenes" meaning they fought more or less evenly. however with a bigger, stronger mofo pounding you tends to mean that you took more damage overall. is that rocket science now brainboy?
and you really don't think that what you said above is proving something is it? you are not answering my question: how is terry vs krauser jobbing? how is it any different from Ryu vs Hugo?

like i said above, brain.

quite a comment from one to whom i repeated around 20 times that Terry went berserk and started going all out against Nightmare Geese. also its funny when coming from one who has been putting words in my mouth since day one. here are a few:
-you claiming that i said Terry would beat SFA3 Bison
-you claiming that i said Terry beat Nightmare Geese without effort
-you claiming that i said Grant is equal to Akuma because he shakes the earth.

Terry shared a spotlight with the whole cast of FF3 and was getting beaten up like them all.
who shone through with Bison in SFA3? who forced him to retreat with shoryuken?

~Sado

i think we should close this topic

this will never end

the same like mortal kombat vs street fighter topic......

KOF has so many characters and snk is not really clear about who is stronger

Capcom cares more about their fans then SNK does.

every topic changes into a KOF vs SF topic. soo annoying. and if somebody gives an argument somebody else don't like, then we get this stupid discussion. again and again and again.

don't you guys get tired off this

i like the old days before everything changed......


EDIT : THIS IS WRONG --> FOR EXAMPLE :

Kyo vs Ken

Kyo wins cause he beated Orochi and... and... and..... so he is able to win from Ken....

this argument is very wrong. i see it many topics.

Tiers in Tekken and in KOF or any other fighting games are different then SF.

Sado you use this argument also very much...

Originally posted by Sado22
let me summarize it then:
considered charlie hero, was a wimp which caused Charlie's death (in a roundabout way), wants to kill bison for it, didnt and lived happily ever after.
my role as baby penguin in the play i did in Class2 had more character than that.
-trying to grow up and become famous, wanted to be like daddy, failed and then understood how to live with himself.
get serious man.

Sado, even if you dislike guiles character flucation.It doesn't change the fact that he's had more character progress in his 2 canonical appearence vs Benimaru's entire career.

Guile did not try to be like charlie, he simply admired him. And, he doesn't have time to become as strong as he did, he doesn't want to be strongest like certain Street Fighters his family came first which is why he retired. His character role is finished, unlike benimaru who appears every game and doesn't do jack but jobbs to bosses to make kyo look cool. Guile's done, while benimaru continues his abysmal career as a jobber and a nobody.


Originally posted by Sado22

also Benimaru lead the team japan to the finals on both occassions, in 2000 as its strongest member. in KoFXI he is opposing Ash after knowing what happened in 2003. what is cammy doing in SF2? what about thawk, dee jay, fei long, zangeif etc?

~Sado

LOL, everytime I expalin one characters profile you bring up more .All those fighters are either retired or Street Fighting. You see capcom knows when not to beat a dead horse, when someone's role in a story is finished it's done, the end.

Zangief-He most likely stopped working for the government since shadowloo fell. He's still wrestling, infact Ken,Ryu, and Sean were at about a wrestler called Pulluk Hogan. Hogan was fighting Zangief in a title match in the WWC. Hogan was thrown outside of the ring by Zangief's double lariat. Hogan went berzerk and starting going wild. A chair that Hogan threw was just about to hit a woman in the crowd but Ryu deflected the chair and Sean KO'ed Hogan.one of his wrestling matches

Dee jay-Returned to MI6 after finding out who she was and now lives a happy life with her friends. Since bison is dead, no reason for her to enter any tourneys

T.Hawk-Rebuilding his home, since Shadowloo is finished no reason to enter tourneys.

Fei-Long- He's still a popular movie star, even though he doesn't
make any more movies. He became a real Street Fighter and disappeared from cinema.


It's funny, benimaru was in the finals (Like everyone else) yet, he's nowhere to be seen in the true ending. He's a major character and is involved with team japan (One of the more important teams) and he hasn't nothing but: Go to the finals, tried to steal kyo's flair, and admitted that Kyo's better. Oh, and he jobs to make kyo looks cool, I wonder how his plot will resolve it's self.

Originally posted by P-Geyser

That's why Samurai Spirits is the only great playmore title left.


I love that game.

Originally posted by Sado22
i take that you don't have a proper reply to this and are just rambling then.That was proper & it's the truth
Originally posted by Sado22
so you admit its a cheapshot. so after all these months atleast a tiny percentage did get through your brain. kudos.Now that you're on to your contradiction you change the subject? Lame. Don't be stupid. That part got through as soon as it was confirmed. Never saw me fight against it did you?
Originally posted by Sado22
no it isn't. it can be about flames, glowing fists etc as well. but Tekkne doesn't count since they only electricity leaping off their fists when they smack you 20 to 30 feet away with basic punches.That's awesome. I still don't think Tekken's best can beat SF or KOF's best. That's clearly for another thread though.
Originally posted by Sado22
not in the way i was talking about. they aren't match winners nor are they absolutely crucial. otherwise alex won't be the making it to the semis of SF3.Did he beat anybody w/chi manip on Ryu's Level? I think not.
Originally posted by Sado22
you said one line up:

make up your mind. so are you agreeing with me or disagreeing.I know what I said. You said they don't matter. They do. So do regular kicks & punches. This is not rocket science mane.
Originally posted by Sado22
as you said to me in our first argument:
you and me=real people
ryu and hugo=not real people
and since you assumed last time that it makes sense so will i. happy?OH MY GOD! That might just be the single lamest response I've ever gotten from you mane. You really have turned into that guy who doesn't understand what he reads. I've always expected better from you. You've learned too much from your "sensei" it would seem. Before we were talking about Terry's record making him boring. You brought up Marciano. I said that unbeaten records are cool when it's real, but in fiction it's tiresome. I think you kinda agreed w/me back then. Go back & look. Way to use what I said way out of context. That was horrible Sado. So are you saying wearing people down works in real life, but in fiction it doesn't? That's sad Sado. You must have really been desperate for a witty comeback. Using my own stuff against me would have been awesome too. If only you had knew how to do it right. Next time just say "I've got nothing. You win again brainchild".
Originally posted by Sado22
krauser and Terry's fight was pretty "intenes" meaning they fought more or less evenly. however with a bigger, stronger mofo pounding you tends to mean that you took more damage overall. is that rocket science now brainboy?Nah. Buddy. That's nothing like what you've had b4. This change seems convenient. Pay attention Sado. This is how you use someone's own words against them. This is from your own site mane. "The two shared a common love for facing powerful opponents and soon enough, though Krauser had dominated in the beginning, Terry gains momentum and starts turning the table.". That sounds like it wasn't even. The word "DOMINATED" was a big tipoff mane. & what do you know, Hulk Hogan strikes again. I don't care if Terry did it w/a Kool-Aid smile on his face. It's the same thing. Terry gets beat up and then Hulks up & wins. Jobbing. Lame & redundant.
Originally posted by Sado22
and you really don't think that what you said above is proving something is it? you are not answering my question: how is terry vs krauser jobbing? how is it any different from Ryu vs Hugo? Read above. Hugo has shown that he can take an extremely high amout of damage & continue. As he did in final fight. After a while though, the damage becomes too much & he loses. AS HE DID IN FINAL FIGHT. Extremely Durable does not equal invincible. Ryu being the better striker wore him down. This is not rocket science.
Originally posted by Sado22
like i said above, brain.

quite a comment from one to whom i repeated around 20 times that Terry went berserk and started going all out against Nightmare Geese.Yeah. Terry does basically the same old sh*t in all his boss fights. We get it.
Originally posted by Sado22
also its funny when coming from one who has been putting words in my mouth since day one. here are a few:
-you claiming that i said Terry would beat SFA3 BisonHow many times do I have to tell you this? I didn't put any qualifers on it. I just said Bison. Now you're putting words in my mouth again. Terry beating any version of Bison is suspect.

Originally posted by Sado22
-you claiming that i said Terry beat Nightmare Geese without effortNever said that. Quote me on it then.
Originally posted by Sado22
-you claiming that i said Grant is equal to Akuma because he shakes the earth. When asked what put him on Akuma's level, "ground shaking" was the best you had. You thought that sh*t was important so you brought it up. I'd almost forgotten about that. I needed a good laugh.
Originally posted by Sado22
Terry shared a spotlight with the whole cast of FF3 and was getting beaten up like them all.Another convenient twist from you. More contradictions. I thought 'Zaki had rendered the others useless & that Terry was then taking him on himself? Remember how we even agreed that made the others look weak? Terry didn't share s*it. This is old stuff here. You on drugs mane?Originally posted by Sado22

who shone through with Bison in SFA3? who forced him to retreat with shoryuken?Everyone involved obviously. Ryu had help that was still standing when it was over. This was a lame post from you sado. Come back when you're ready.

Sigh, here we go again. ::Takes flame retardent sheild and braces himself::

Sh*t! You and Remy are right. This needs to stop. Sorry guys. Bison wins. If you must reply sado, let's take this to Terry/Ryu thread.Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
I love that game. Me too. I'd totally lacerate you guys w/Jubei or Galford or Genjuro mane

I like Samurai Spirits Zero & 2, my favorite character is Yunfei & Mina.

Last one I played was 6 it think. They had some colonial dude w/a musket. End boss was cheesey as hell.

6 sucks

How?

It's just chalked full of fanservice, with no real competitve play.Samurai Spirits hasn't been good since part 2, 5 was decent but 6 is just bad to me.

5 was awesome. I think it was a little better than 2

Originally posted by brainchild81
5 was awesome. I think it was a little better than 2

5 was pretty broken, but descent.

Originally posted by Sado22
man you really don't when to shutup do you?


He never shuts the f**K up EVER!

You were bored weren't you PG? What happened to Sado?

Originally posted by brainchild81
You were bored weren't you PG? What happened to Sado?

Speaking the truth mane. Sado has his studies to catch up on.

Last time I checked, forums weren't for "shutting the F**k up" MANE. What would be the point? Good luck to Sado.

Originally posted by brainchild81
Last time I checked, forums weren't for "shutting the F**k up" MANE. What would be the point? Good luck to Sado.

Did I say that forums weren't for shutting the f**K up...no I did not.

This is starting to get silly mane. Relax

Originally posted by Sado22
Jin has more dimensions than Ryu. when was the last time ryu did something "out of character" or "different"?

Here's Ryu, Ken and damn near the whole cast being out of character. Check out Hugo's ending:


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Some very well drawn endings.

Ditto