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From wikipedia

The Presence is a fictional comic book representation of the Abrahamic God created by Grant Morrison for the DC Universe. It is never seen or heard "on screen," but its existence and influence is felt and described by the characters within the comics (e.g. by the angel Zauriel in the JLA comics).

Who is TOA i doubt he's the God that DC's is instead i'm seen him on panel depicted as Stan Lee or another writer of some sort. please post the images of this. I am certain that the TOA is not the God displayed in christianity unless perhaps there's a chapter on the living tirbunal i haven't seen in the bible??

I want proof on panel not theory!!

theres churches in marvel so i think the christianity god may exist in marvel

Originally posted by no_limits
From wikipedia

The Presence is a fictional comic book representation of the Abrahamic God created by Grant Morrison for the DC Universe. It is never seen or heard "on screen," but its existence and influence is felt and described by the characters within the comics (e.g. by the angel Zauriel in the JLA comics).

Who is TOA i doubt he's the God that DC's is instead i'm seen him on panel depicted as Stan Lee or another writer of some sort. please post the images of this. I am certain that the TOA is not the God displayed in christianity unless perhaps there's a chapter on the living tirbunal i haven't seen in the bible??

I want proof on panel not theory!!

We have concluded that DC's God is Equal to marvel's God. That is all. And this has been done to death in so many differnt ways.

Originally posted by no_limits
From wikipedia

The Presence is a fictional comic book representation of the Abrahamic God created by Grant Morrison for the DC Universe. It is never seen or heard "on screen," but its existence and influence is felt and described by the characters within the comics (e.g. by the angel Zauriel in the JLA comics).

Who is TOA i doubt he's the God that DC's is instead i'm seen him on panel depicted as Stan Lee or another writer of some sort. please post the images of this. I am certain that the TOA is not the God displayed in christianity unless perhaps there's a chapter on the living tirbunal i haven't seen in the bible??

I want proof on panel not theory!!

Guy is a Lutheran/Christian. TOAA=Presence. God=God

absence>presence, but the pressence was never late for school

fair enough, I'm not debating that there not euqal, but who is the TOA??

is he on panel

Originally posted by lionking
fair enough, I'm not debating that there not euqal, but who is the TOA??

is he on panel

IMO, TOAA=God. Presence=God. They equal. There is a comic(FF), I believe that shows Lee and Kirby

There is a picture shown the TOAA to be jack Kirby and again Presence=TOAA

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We have concluded that DC's God is Equal to marvel's God. That is all. And this has been done to death in so many differnt ways.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Utrigita
There is a picture shown the TOAA to be jack Kirby and again Presence=TOAA True.

However, as Kirby alluded to in the comic, it's merely how they percieved the almighty to be. It's not neccisarily how he actually looks.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We have concluded that DC's God is Equal to marvel's God. That is all. And this has been done to death in so many differnt ways.

MARCUS IS FAT AND HAVE AN UGLY WIFE!
He says Rick is childish, but Marcus bans him and says OWN3D... By doing that, that fatass Marcus owns himself MARCUS, I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS, and i will get yo banned like i did to yo account as BRHand marcus becomes pissed if he cant just ban people oh, and he is so good at owning that he edits my posts on his forum, bans me, and says i am owned...

what a geek lets all hate Marcus That fat wannabe-owner

He banned Rick because he thought Rick made me spam his website..

Originally posted by 01-Eminem
MARCUS IS FAT AND HAVE AN UGLY WIFE!
He says Rick is childish, but Marcus bans him and says OWN3D... By doing that, that fatass Marcus owns himself MARCUS, I KNOW YOU ARE READING THIS, and i will get yo banned like i did to yo account as BRHand marcus becomes pissed if he cant just ban people oh, and he is so good at owning that he edits my posts on his forum, bans me, and says i am owned...

what a geek lets all hate Marcus That fat wannabe-owner

He banned Rick because he thought Rick made me spam his website..
An other Judge sock, don't worry he'll soon stop making them.

You really think ya will get guy222 banned when he aint me, Thanos?

Originally posted by 01-Eminem
You really think ya will get guy222 banned when he aint me, Thanos?
Oh, I never said anything ... Besides I got proof, solid ...

Originally posted by Utrigita
There is a picture shown the TOAA to be jack Kirby and again Presence=TOAA Not quite.

There are scans depicting whom the F4 viewed as God.

God, (whom was never named, but is presumed to be Jack Kirby), took orders via telephone from his "Collaborator", whom was never seen, but is presumably Stan Lee/TOAA.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6721/godte6.th.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5329/toaahd8.th.jpg



So in Marvel,


Stan Lee = The Collaborator/TOAA (presumably)

Jack Kirby (presumably) = God

Originally posted by Galan007
Not quite.

There are scans depicting whom the F4 viewed as God.

God, (whom was never named, but is presumed to be Jack Kirby), took orders via telephone from his "collaborator", whom was never seen, but is presumably Stan Lee.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6721/godte6.th.jpg

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5329/toaahd8.th.jpg
But isnt the one above all supose to be over God's?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But isnt the one above all supose to be over God's?
TOAA was never seen, so who knows whom was "Collaborating" with God? srug

Originally posted by Galan007
TOAA was never seen, so who knows whom was "Collaborating" with God? srug
Hm, some see the One-Above-All as the entire staff, since they are the creators.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Hm, some see the One-Above-All as the entire staff, since they are the creators. It very well could be.


Like I said before, who knows? srug


TOAA was never seen, so it's all speculation as to whom God was collaborating with.

Marvel and DC has been shown as even universes many times, so i dont see why their gods should not be even... This isnt a fight. They are even. Another easy victory to my recordlist

The one above all is twice as powerful as the presence. DC and Marvel are equal.

Based on what? Thats bullshit, King Kandy, and you know it

Originally posted by Wudenko
Based on what? Thats bullshit, King Kandy, and you know it
Ever heard of GEB? Equal to the presence, but not part of him?

TOAA is the sum total of Marvel. Presence is the Sum total of DC (Supposedly).

So if TOAA and the Presence are equal, then DC is >Marvel since it also contains GEB. The only way for DC/Marvel to be equal is if TOAA=2xPresence.

Great Evil Beast and Presence merged. And TOAA and Presence are omnipotent, omnipresence and omniscient. stalemate, identical powers. And DC just has another system, then. The gods are even. MArvel and DC has a fetish for having stronger characters than the rivalcompany, and they would NEVER allow the rivalgod to be stronger

Originally posted by Wudenko
Great Evil Beast and Presence merged.
Forgot about that. Okay, as proper,

"Presence PRIOR to being merged with GEB was half as powerful as the presence."

He did not became more powerful. As they merged, they just brung balance to the DC universe

Originally posted by Wudenko
He did not became more powerful. As they merged, they just brung balance to the DC universe
Well then where did GEBS power go?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Well then where did GEBS power go?

They were flip sides of the same coin.

GEB and Presence where two beings of complete omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience. they were just good and evil. the fact that they kept good and evil away from each other just brung unbalance. they merged so evil and good was not seperated, but united to bring balance in form of one. No power difference. And well... GEBs power disappeared, and as Presence is the uppermax of power, besides the Brothers, he couldnt go higher in power, anyways

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They were flip sides of the same coin.

Thats probably the best way to describe it