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What do u guys think did george lucas just not think of it then or is there a story to it?

I don't think the galaxy was supposed to know anything about the Sith

The novels mentioned them. I collected stickers at the time ESB came out, one was the very beautiful one of Vader in the carbon freeze chamber addressing Luke. The sticker was titled "Lord of the Sith".

But without Jedi around, I doubt anyone could care less about Sith. That only has meaning to Jedi.

Yea, most people don't resembled them, they think its the same thing.

Aside from the fact that the only thing known about the Sith when the OT was first made was the name, the galaxy would have been kept in the dark about the Sith, after 1000 years of thinking they were gone, and then 23 years of Imperial propaganda, even the Jedi became legends and myths.

So the Sith even more. There were never thousands of them around in recent SW history.

Define "recent"

3 ABG.

its in the first novel true when Vader is introduced
i always wondered why they never got a mention in the OT
mind you although Luke knew of the Jedi hed never heard of THE FORCE so maybe everyone conviniently forgot about THE SITH and THE FORCE in the 19 years since the birth of the Empire

another Lucas **** up

Yea, but even in the PT when they fought in the CW, majority of people knew nothing or wery little of Sith, for them it was the same, 2 different names for 1 thing. Its not like Palpatine went to the Senate and admitted to the galaxy he is a Sith Lord, he had to pretend that he is a caring Chancellor. Its explained in RODV, when Bail tels Mon Mothma that Dooku was a Sith Lord and she responds i don't know much about the Sith, aren't they the same thing as Jedi- something like that, i don't want to go for specific answer, takes time.

im talking about the OT Movies not a novel or the PT
im sure in the years between ROTS and ANH that realistically word would have spread about the Sith

Why? Sith doesn't mean anything to anyone excpet for JEdi. With Jedi extinct, the whole Sith word does not have any meaning. So why would it spread?

Sith is a race of people which are demonic and preety much strong in the dark force. Very force sensitive as well. However, the Sith have been extinct for as long as about 6000 years before OT. The "new sith" are followers of the "old sith race" beliefs. Are you talking aboutt he sith race or the "Dark JedI" sith? Not every Dark Jedi is a Sith...

As of 19 BBY, there were TWO Sith and thousands of Jedi. Most people did not know the Sith still lived.

Then the Jedi die and a massive military build up occurs, tyranny, oppression, enormous change happens. There is hardly the time, ability or people to know anything about the Sith. Even high up like Motti called the Force itself an "ancient religion," conjured with "sorcerous ways."

Never mind the Sith, the Force itself was in doubt.

Originally posted by queeq
Why? Sith doesn't mean anything to anyone excpet for JEdi. With Jedi extinct, the whole Sith word does not have any meaning. So why would it spread?

Well the Neimodians seemed quite aware of the sith in the PT

and im sure Bail mustve been informed about Palpatine being a Sith by Yoda after leaving Coruscant leading to higher parts of the early rebellion knowing too

word would have spread
there would have been lots of interest in the Emperor and his new Empire after ROTS

Neimodians knew about the Sith, because Sidious contacted them, trough hologram, he was playing them, they didn't knew his plan.
And Bail did knew and remember after the Cw, or after ROTS Palpatine was a here to the people, at this time they rely didn't care, the people of the universe only wanted peace, security and stability, they didn't care if the Sith provided this. Most of the people only want to live normal day to day life.

Originally posted by vintageSW77
Well the Neimodians seemed quite aware of the sith in the PT

and im sure Bail mustve been informed about Palpatine being a Sith by Yoda after leaving Coruscant leading to higher parts of the early rebellion knowing too

word would have spread
there would have been lots of interest in the Emperor and his new Empire after ROTS

I'm sure in the Jedi heyday, some very interested people would be able to find out about who the Sith were. And Sidious was indeed in league with the NEimodians, I bet they knew a little bit about the Sith. But by the time of the OT, Jedi were gone, no one cared and I doubt the archives on Sith in Coruscant were that accessible. The word was meaningless by then. Ben and Yoda didn't even tell Luke, what would the Sith word mean to him?

well i reckon they would have mentioned it to Luke during training of all things about the Dark Side Of The Force in ESB ...you would wouldnt you
mind you they held back on a couple of things concerning Luke didnt they...for good reason
deffo in ROTJ they should have mentioned the Sith seeing as Luke had to encounter Palpatine
and seeing as the Sith are such a big ****ing deal in 1-3 i guess they would deffo have mentioned it to him if the films had been made in order but it but its too late for that now



or is it

But why would they mention it to Luke? It doesn't matter... Luke knows they're bad and powerful and all due to the Dark Side. Luke must be kept from falling to the Dark Side. That he'd be called a Sith then, a mere name after all, is not that important to know, is it?

i just reckon Yoda would have mentioned em somewhere particularly if Luke succeeds in killing Vader something along the lines of "beware the Emperor as he will be looking for another apprentice because always two there are no more......you know the drill
he would have warned him of the Sith apprentice set up

THe rule of two didn't exist at the time the OT was made. I think that was something Lucas came up with later.

Lucas can't change his mind in 30 years?

Nope.

I can't even remeber 30 years ago.

Originally posted by queeq
THe rule of two didn't exist at the time the OT was made. I think that was something Lucas came up with later.

yeah i know that and you know that but the SW fans of the future who have the benefit(?) of watching these in order will probably be thinking about the rule of two thats what i was getting at

i was thinking that some kid would watch TPM 50 years from now and go "jesus that was crap...ill try the next one and if that sucks screw this SW saga" and miss out on the OT

Not every movie is for everyone. The OT is hardly a spectacular piece of film.

for sure the whole Luke Leia brother sister revelations in ROTJ are now pointless for those who will watch these in the future

They can always start watching episode4 first, then it will all be a surprise.

sure it happens
i watched Phantasm 2 before i watched Phantasm but in most cases i think they will start at TPM

Unless all movie critics and movie magazines, people at Lucasfilm and so on, say publicaly-start watching EP4-EP6 first and then 1-3.

theres bad acting in a lot of classics
i was watching GOODFELLAS the other night and was surprised at how bad Ray Liotta was at times

the PT fails as it has no heart or fun
the OT has both

Exactly. And I don't think all acting is bad. ANH profits from Guinness and Cushing and the great character set of Luke, Leia and Han. ESB has pretty good acting if you ask me. Ford is at his best in all SW movies here. Fisher does a good job too. And ROTJ has MCDiarmid. It's too easy to say all acting and dialogue sucks. "I am your father" and Solo's "I know" are classics by themselves. Honestly, the OT really deserves it classic status and not only due to effects. It has originality (sci-fi in a used future setting), a strong though not deep storyline with clear themes. Every thing's kinda blurry in the PT.

As I said, ANH is an exception.

Its a "classic" because you/society choose to make it so, not becuase its good.

I disagree. It stands the test of time. Real classics do stand the test of time, like Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane, Seven Samurai. Old films, but still great. Not because we chose to, but because people are still impressed by it. I think the same goes for SW...

The OT acting is generally better than the PT. The OT was Classic material due to its technological breakthrough combined with the science fiction aspect. At the time, such a breakthrough fit in perfectly with Sci-Fi, and would've just looked stupid in some Romance or Comedy or Drama flick.

Unfortunately for the PT, acting aside, CGI and computer gizmos etc., were not brand new things, TPM in contrast to ANH set no ground breaking, jaw-dropping, boundaries. While the PT beat the OT in the visual department every way you turned, it wasn't at a time when such effects were revolutionary and set a precedent for like every movie out there.

Combined with the poorer acting and dialog, the PT lags behind the OT.

It does.

No it doesn't, PT have, you gassed it Count Dooku.

Oh stop it, one-issue-poster.

at least they will have the benefit of being introduced to Vader later...a nice reward for sticking with the first 3

they will know no better............thats many an OT fans prob with the PT - Star Wars without Vader isnt much fun

Originally posted by Count Makashi
No it doesn't, PT have, you gassed it Count Dooku.

It doesnt have Grievous and yet I still love the OT...

Originally posted by vintageSW77
at least they will have the benefit of being introduced to Vader later...a nice reward for sticking with the first 3

they will know no better............thats many an OT fans prob with the PT - Star Wars without Vader isnt much fun

Yeah, but it ruins the whole "No, I am your father" scene, that was epic! But if you see the first three first, then it will be like, yeah, I already knew that...

Exactly. In the end, the PT didn't add much to the saga.

Just mindless entertainment

That's.... darn, I wish I could say 'nonsense'!'....

Don't we all

Originally posted by queeq
Exactly. In the end, the PT didn't add much to the saga.

BULLSH*T. It forever changed your perception of the saga.

For better or worse? I liked the droids and Grievous...thats not enough to change it for the good...

Only towards Anakin.. a bit. But not to the whole story.

Anakin for the better or Anakin for the worst?

i got a question

when lord vader claims that obi wan was in the death star to mon mothma, and he says to him" you are surley the last of their religion my friend", do u think he didnt know that the emperor could use the force?

I guess you mean Tarkin but from my memory i think there was no mention of The Emperor being nothing more than the leader of the Empire in the days before ESB etc
Vader and Kenobi were the only force users

its just the way it was written nothing else

The PT is great, i liked how it talked about the Jedi as organization and their daily life.

Originally posted by General G
Anakin for the better or Anakin for the worst?

I haven't figured that out yet. It gave Vader background, but also turned him into a pathetic cripple...

I agree...if they didn't have the corny dialogue between him and Padme and him whining, it would definately be for the better, but I am not so sure...

Hey Anakin did just fine, not everyone can be Han Solo.

No need to be. But what did we really learn from Anakin that we didn't know? All I can think of that he was a whiner like Luke.

ummm...we learned his past.

Yea, how he turned to the Dark Side and stuff.

We already knew most of that. But what was so important to learn the entire story?

Because it actually a significant part of the story. I think Lucas feels people severely misinterpreted the OT.

What, we had no idea, how he turned to the Dark Side, what are you talking about, it gave Vader more depth, for the worse, or for the better, everyone must judge for himself.

Alright...he has two kids and there is no mention of the mother, except that she dies at birth, doesn't take a rocket scientist

Aside from a money making ploy, and a way to bring back Lucas's uber celebrity status, the PT still added more to the story. For better or worse, it's still an extra three movies which aren't terrible. No need to rip 'em to Hell just 'cause they're not as good as the OT.

Fair enough. But the whole PT is kinda like a wasted chance of what could have been. There's that one line in ANH where OB1 says about Anakin that he 'was a good friend'... Guinness really performed a sense of loss there, sort of like a brother in arms in he lost. But no where in the entire PT do I get an sincere connection between Anakin and OB1. Sure, there is the odd line here and there that some may consider 'establishing dialogue' but we never really see them in true unison. All they do is bicker.

What about when Obi1 is bawling on Mustufar.

I've always felt very strongly that there shoudl have been an Epidode II.5. We missed A LOT in the Clone Wars (and not just of clones). It was either in the comics or in the microseries, but Kenobi expresses feelings that he doesn't know what to do with Anakin. He tries his best, but always is more authoritarian than he needs to be.

I think Kenobi's emotion is more just hindsight bias and old age...he sees, or wants to see, Anakin as more of a friend.

Maybe again...it was something more that they were both denying at the time....
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Originally posted by Alliance
What about when Obi1 is bawling on Mustufar.

I've always felt very strongly that there shoudl have been an Epidode II.5. We missed A LOT in the Clone Wars (and not just of clones). It was either in the comics or in the microseries, but Kenobi expresses feelings that he doesn't know what to do with Anakin. He tries his best, but always is more authoritarian than he needs to be.

I think Kenobi's emotion is more just hindsight bias and old age...he sees, or wants to see, Anakin as more of a friend.

Maybe again...it was something more that they were both denying at the time....
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I agree with the Episode II.5 just to show more about what happened, more war scenes and less politics. I also think there should be a III.5, there is too much open space there, it could show how the Empire became such a powerhouse as well as the beginning of the rebellion. I would also like to see Vader hunt down some Jedi.

And I can't see the video

An Episode II.5 just shows the three movies lack something.

And OB1 biased hindsight is such a lame argument. Then OB1 would be a senile old git thinking the whiny little sh!t from the old days was really a friend. He kinda lost memory all 15 years of bickering.
And Ob1's bawling on Mustafar? Indeed... that is about all we get. Why don't we (and for some reason I keep asking this about many topics in the PT) get to SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE it!. Isn't like "SHOW, DON'T TELL' the golden rule in filmmaking? well, it is. Write a book if you want to tell things.

They have...quite a few

But not Lucas. He never wrote a book in his life.

He checks them

Yeah... he checks them. He should check his films.

I made him laugh. Good show.

Well one reason i think like SO many people have pointed out is that NO ONE CARED and secondly if Yoda or Ben told Luke about the Sith Luke would be asking ALOT of questions about them maby....Luke would ask his FATHER or something like that and then WHAM! perfect timeing for Vader to make Luke fall into the DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE.

And at that time, the History of the Sith and great majority of stuff to do with them, wasn't created yet, wasn't truly explained of the time of the OT.

But the point is: it didn't matter at for Luke's destiny and challenge. He's not facing a Sith legend, he's facing Vader and the Emperors - agents of teh Dark Side of the Force. The word Sith is meaningless and the whole history might only be confusing to a padawan. "Focus on the here and now."

It matters for your perception.

Ah... OB1's point of view thingy...

Palpatine's originally.

But he used it to manipulate... Oh wait, so did OB1.

Originally posted by queeq
Ah... OB1's point of view thingy...