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Well, according to some groups.

You should all be thankful that I take the time to attempt apologetics with the idea of an all-loving, all-good God. Otherwise it'd be way too easy on me.

point of this thread

Originally posted by FeceMan
Well, according to some groups.

You should all be thankful that I take the time to attempt apologetics with the idea of an all-loving, all-good God. Otherwise it'd be way too easy on me.



OK, I like you FeceMan. Do you feel better now?

Originally posted by FeceMan
Well, according to some groups.

You should all be thankful that I take the time to attempt apologetics with the idea of an all-loving, all-good God. Otherwise it'd be way too easy on me.



Apologetics of any form are usually unproductive.

Apologetics is the attempt to appease the unbeliever who just can't grasp a religion. Apologetics is a waste of time.

Tsk, tsk. Apologetics isn't trying to appease the unbeliever; it's parrying his thrusts.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Tsk, tsk. Apologetics isn't trying to appease the unbeliever; it's parrying his thrusts.


But why do you see this as a fight?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But why do you see this as a fight?
I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I calls 'em as I sees 'em.

You create your world.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You create your world.
No, my world has created me.

When I have to counter a dozen posts attacking my faith in a single day, you can damn well bet I'm going to describe it as a swordfight.

Tadpoles! Tadpoles is the winner!

Good, I hate the ****er too.

Originally posted by FeceMan
No, my world has created me.

When I have to counter a dozen posts attacking my faith in a single day, you can damn well bet I'm going to describe it as a swordfight.

Not that you ever attack anyone else or deliberately provoke people.

Originally posted by FeceMan
Tsk, tsk. Apologetics isn't trying to appease the unbeliever; it's parrying his thrusts.
Who's thrusts? You are admitting he has a point by going to the lengths apologetics do. I don't care what some hater has to say about my beliefs, if it threatens my beliefs, my beliefs need reassessing, not defending.

So apologetics is not better than blindly believeing what you do? At least in apologetics you know why you believe in what you do.

Originally posted by FeceMan
No, my world has created me.

When I have to counter a dozen posts attacking my faith in a single day, you can damn well bet I'm going to describe it as a swordfight.


You could just ignore them. You make the choice to fight. That changes how you see the world around you. All you see is the attack.

Just curious, How could the world come from a 'big bang' If God didn't do it?

Originally posted by Midnight Terror
Just curious, How could the world come from a 'big bang' If God didn't do it?

Depends on your definition of God.

Originally posted by Alliance
Apologetics of any form are usually unproductive.

Hahahaha! That made me laugh.

But its true.

Originally posted by Alliance
So apologetics is not better than blindly believeing what you do? At least in apologetics you know why you believe in what you do. Nope. Although blind faith is an error. You should not believe anything you haven't studied, but studying just to prove a detractor wrong is in error as well.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Which reminds me.

Jesus was a Jew. Does that mean all Christians are essentially revisionist Jews?

There is a good chance that if Jesus was alive today, he would not talk to any Christians. After all, they are all gentiles.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Which reminds me.

Jesus was a Jew. Does that mean all Christians are essentially revisionist Jews? A true Christian when studding their roots should become one. A follower of Jesus would make everyone a Jew.

Originally posted by Regret
Who's thrusts? You are admitting he has a point by going to the lengths apologetics do.
No, it is to demonstrate that he doesn't have a point. Just dismissing it implies an inability to critically analyze one's faith.

Then I suppose it is a good thing that no one on KMC has ever threatened my beliefs.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You could just ignore them. You make the choice to fight. That changes how you see the world around you. All you see is the attack.
What more is there to see?

Originally posted by FeceMan

What more is there to see?


The reasons for the attack

Originally posted by FeceMan
...What more is there to see?

Don't let me stop you from suffering.

I had a bet that this was a JIA thread. For shame Feceman.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Depends on your definition of God.

The one and only that made the world...O-o;

Originally posted by Midnight Terror
The one and only that made the world...O-o; If that's God, then it obviously exists. The thing is, what made God?

Originally posted by lord xyz
If that's God, then it obviously exists. The thing is, what made God?


I have my beliefs and you have yours......

Originally posted by Midnight Terror
I have my beliefs and you have yours...... once again no answer from them because they have none

Originally posted by FeceMan
No, it is to demonstrate that he doesn't have a point. Just dismissing it implies an inability to critically analyze one's faith. I am not stating one should not respond, but the degree that apologists go to is a waste of time. You are not going to convince the detractor regardless.Originally posted by FeceMan What more is there to see? Christ stated we should turn the other cheek, also, we should assume the best until the best proves to be an incorrect assumption.

Originally posted by lord xyz
If that's God, then it obviously exists. The thing is, what made God? Well, at some point in the eternal past, evolution occurred and over the course of some unknown period in the eternal past God eventually evolved. But then, I am polytheist as to the existence of gods, while being monotheist as to worship of deity.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
The reasons for the attack
Stupidity? Prejudice? Stereotyping?

(Nuuurh, I've got the one-liner: "Yeah, those are all things Christians are guilty of." Now either answer the post or DIAF.)
Originally posted by Regret
Christ stated we should turn the other cheek, also, we should assume the best until the best proves to be an incorrect assumption.
Yeah, Christ did say that. Good thing I'm not punching at anyone.

Originally posted by TRH
once again no answer from them because they have none absense of evidence is not the evidence of absence

but at least they could say something(regret did)

lol word, all im saying is that christians have this problem with making "irrefutable" claims, then someone asks them a question they can't answer they say "will of god" or somethin along those lines. but just because it can't be answered dosen't mean its false or invalid.

this one woman converted to Islam, because this guy asked a question on a radio show, like : If Jesus is God, how can he worship himself? she didnt know how to answer that, and apparently the radio host didn't either. so much for christian faith

Originally posted by Tengu
lol word, all im saying is that christians have this problem with making "irrefutable" claims, then someone asks them a question they can't answer they say "will of god" or somethin along those lines. but just because it can't be answered dosen't mean its false or invalid.

this one woman converted to Islam, because this guy asked a question on a radio show, like : If Jesus is God, how can he worship himself? she didnt know how to answer that, and apparently the radio host didn't either. so much for christian faith
Then that woman was an idiot.

She should have become a Jew.

Or realised that all religions are total bullshit.... Huzzah!

Originally posted by Tengu
lol word, all im saying is that christians have this problem with making "irrefutable" claims, then someone asks them a question they can't answer they say "will of god" or somethin along those lines. but just because it can't be answered dosen't mean its false or invalid.




Same damn thing for scientists. You ask them something they can't anser they'll just say "unexplained science".

Originally posted by FeceMan
Then that woman was an idiot.

She should have become a Jew. why is that,don't like Jews little racist Christian boy,i aught to barbecue you

Originally posted by FeceMan
Stupidity? Prejudice? Stereotyping?



Those are definately a few.....but you also forgot:


Anger....Vengeance....



You are also ignoring the stupidity, prejudice, and stereotyping that comes out of Christianity...the same stupidity, prejudice, and stereotyping that comes out of Christians like yourself



Please do not complain about prejudice, when you have your own biases to take care of. ok ?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Please do not complain about prejudice, when you have your own biases to take care of. ok ?

Originally posted by Alliance
Please do not complain about prejudice, when you have your own biases to take care of. ok ?

Whats my bias?

Originally posted by Alliance
Whats my bias?



Do not critisize my bias against Islam, when you have a clear-cut bias against Christianity.

feisty

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Do not critisize my bias against Islam, when you have a clear-cut bias against Christianity.

Not even addressing the fact that you have both.

I don't think Chirstians have many excuses for thier actions. I wasn't aware that thinking often religion is backward and archaic was a bias. I don't JUDGE people based on their faith, somethign YOU do.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Those are definately a few.....but you also forgot:


Anger....Vengeance....



You are also ignoring the stupidity, prejudice, and stereotyping that comes out of Christianity...the same stupidity, prejudice, and stereotyping that comes out of Christians like yourself

I like the part where we weren't talking about Christians but non-Christians.

I'm not complaining, and I don't have many prejudices.

Originally posted by Boris
Or realised that all religions are total bullshit.... Huzzah! You're a ****ing troll. gtfo.

Originally posted by Alliance
Not even addressing the fact that you have both.


Everyone knows I have both...so what ? What's the need to emphasize that I do ?





Originally posted by Alliance
I don't think Chirstians have many excuses for thier actions. I wasn't aware that thinking often religion is backward and archaic was a bias. I don't JUDGE people based on their faith, somethign YOU do.




If you have a negative opinion of a religion, that is a Bias. Therefore, you are biased as well. Do not call me biased, and then pretend you are not.


Secondly, I don't judge people based on thier Faith either. You are severely misconstruing my point....Islam is what I do not approve of. Muslims are people...I am fine with them.

Originally posted by FeceMan
I like the part where we weren't talking about Christians but non-Christians.


I was talking about Christians....they are no better than non-Christians.




Originally posted by FeceMan
I'm not complaining, and I don't have many prejudices.


****ing bullshit


You have biases against promiscious people, against Liberals, against Atheists, etc.


Don't fkn play stupid....you ARE complaining...you talk talk talk talk about prejudice against Christianity, when Christianity has spawned its OWN prejudices....WAKE UP

Just because Christianity has biases in it, doesn't mean that everyone who is a Christian has said biases. A lot of people on this forum seem to have trouble understanding that.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You have biases against promiscious people, against Liberals, against Atheists, etc.


Don't fkn play stupid....you ARE complaining...you talk talk talk talk about prejudice against Christianity, when Christianity has spawned its OWN prejudices....WAKE UP
Awaken yourself, troll.

Prejudice is not the same as bias, kthxbai.

Originally posted by Blaxican
Just because Christianity has biases in it, doesn't mean that everyone who is a Christian has said biases. A lot of people on this forum seem to have trouble understanding that.

You seem to have trouble understanding why that doesn't make sense. One reason religion makes many people cynical is because not everyone who claims to be of the same religion believes the same thing.

Ex. Not every self-proclaimed Christian believes in the Holy Trinity. Seems to negate certain things about salvation (give you heart and mind to God and go to heaven) since this means that Jesus would be unable to die for all our sins since he was not the son of God.

All Christians do not believe the same, same for Jews, and Muslims. It's pretty unbelivable that you can't "assume" people who are under the same belief system do not believe the same thing. That's not about bias, it doesn't make sense.

Claiming a religion is not like being part of a political party: There's should be no division in even the minor beliefs of the whole. To claim your sort of Christianity is more correct than another is futile since it's perception based.

I wish it were more clean cut

I only half understood that

Originally posted by chithappens
You seem to have trouble understanding why that doesn't make sense. One reason religion makes many people cynical is because not everyone who claims to be of the same religion believes the same thing.

Ex. Not every self-proclaimed Christian believes in the Holy Trinity. Seems to negate certain things about salvation (give you heart and mind to God and go to heaven) since this means that Jesus would be unable to die for all our sins since he was not the son of God.

All Christians do not believe the same, same for Jews, and Muslims. It's pretty unbelivable that you can't "assume" people who are under the same belief system do not believe the same thing. That's not about bias, it doesn't make sense.

Claiming a religion is not like being part of a political party: There's should be no division in even the minor beliefs of the whole. To claim your sort of Christianity is more correct than another is futile since it's perception based.

I wish it were more clean cut You seem to have trouble understanding why this post of yours doesn't make sense.

Christianity is not a religion. Christianity is the term describing all religions that hold that Christ was the central figure in spiritual existence. Christianity's only universal statement is that Christ was God, the meaning of which is debatable. Everything else is interpretational and thus the spawning ground of various Christian religions.

Originally posted by Regret
Christianity's only universal statement is that Christ was God, the meaning of which is debatable.

A universal, debateable statement.

Pwned

Originally posted by Regret
Christianity's only universal statement is that Christ was God, the meaning of which is debatable.

More accurrately Jesus is the Messiah?

Originally posted by Regret
Christianity's only universal statement is that Christ was God, the meaning of which is debatable.

More accurately Jesus was the Messiah?

Originally posted by chithappens
A universal, debateable statement.

Pwned The fact that it makes that statement is not that debatable. Try to realize what you are arguing about.

PWNT.

Originally posted by Alliance
More accurrately Jesus is the Messiah? I am unsure. You are probably correct since a few early Christians believed he was not God, so even the concept of his divinity is a sect position and not central to general Christianity.

Originally posted by chithappens
A universal, debateable statement.

Pwned "Christianity is the term describing all religions that hold that Christ was the central figure in spiritual existence."

This statement pwns your comments, so again you are pwned.

Originally posted by Regret
"Christianity is the term describing all religions that hold that Christ was the central figure in spiritual existence."

This statement pwns your comments, so again you are pwned.

That is what a religion is, some cenrtal god(s) control spiritual such and such... So everyone believes in some form of Christianity rather than just Christianity? That's a premise in which everything the masses knows turns to shit. If that is your point then please just say so.

Originally posted by Alliance


The fact that it makes that statement is not that debatable. Try to realize what you are arguing about.

PWNT.

what the hell did that mean? Here's what I meant: Nothing can be both universal and debatable. it looks like you didn't finish your sentence or something...

Originally posted by chithappens
That is what a religion is, some cenrtal god(s) control spiritual such and such... So everyone believes in some form of Christianity rather than just Christianity? That's a premise in which everything the masses knows turns to shit. If that is your point then please just say so. Nicheran and Mahayan Buddhists (sorry Shaky if I butchered the spelling ) are a non Biblical example.

Biblically, one can say that Muslims, Jews and Christians all have the same central God, as all three believe they worship the God of Adam. So are these three one single religion as well?

Sorry, didn't want to have to pwn you again, but I did.

Originally posted by Regret
Nicheran and Mahayan Buddhists (sorry Shaky if I butchered the spelling ) are a non Biblical example.

Biblically, one can say that Muslims, Jews and Christians all have the same central God, as all three believe they worship the God of Adam. So are these three one single religion as well?

Sorry, didn't want to have to pwn you again, but I did.

I knew that wise ass. That didn't answer anything. How did that even address what I said?

You are talking about Christianity saying that Christ is the center and after that it's up for grabs. What you said does nothing but support what I said.

I'm saying religion got screwed a long time ago with all these "understandings" of what stuff REALLY means. You are just going off on tangents now.

Lack of universal meaning makes it all silly and what he says leaves too much room for people to come in and say whatever they like to fit their liking

Originally posted by chithappens
Lack of universal meaning makes it all silly and what he says leaves too much room for people to come in and say whatever they like to fit their liking I believe he is laughing at you, not at me. But, I could be wrong.

No, I'm laughing at chit.

Originally posted by chithappens
That is what a religion is, some cenrtal god(s) control spiritual such and such... So everyone believes in some form of Christianity rather than just Christianity? That's a premise in which everything the masses knows turns to shit. If that is your point then please just say so. Not every religon has a god