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Remember the AMERICAN DREAM? You know the great job, the wonderful spouse, the house, kids and decent car. Ok then if this is the true AMERICAN DREAM then why when you are single and poor do you get handed the world from the government (like welfare and huge income tax checks)? Hmmm! Good question "right"!
We'll my husband and I are very much in love and happy to married however my income tax check was not nearly as much as it was when I was single, not to mention the cost to be on my husband's insurance for medical and dental it's a joke.
I believe that the way the system works it is really rewarding the welfare people for not working (in live in PA and only 9.9% of people on welfare work at least 20hours per week). I think that those who are working and not on welfare should be getting the rewards and this way it will be like an incentive for those on welfare to get off the couches and quit making more babies (I for one would rather have my taxes go to childcare instead of welfare so that these parents can go to work and use their own money like I do. And seriously isn't being on welfare make people feel like they are failing? And yes I was on welfare for 1 1/2 when my son was born "I hated it" and so I got two jobs and went to college in the end so that I don't have to be on it. My son is Nine Now! I think welfare should be there for people who are showing some serious interest in gaining independence.
I am tired of seeing people who are on welfare "who are so poor!" wearing Babyphat clothes and the newest released nike's it's sick that the middle class is working hard to buy and support what they have while those on welfare just sit around waiting for the next shopping trip.
Now don't get me wrong not all of those on welfare are lazy, but based on the satistics a lot are!

unfortunately, you are right, but still wrong in saying that their os no American Dream. Being able to become what ever you put your mind to is the American Dream. with enough hard work, personal growth and principal acceptance this can still be accomplished. The middle class has always carried America and has never recieved much in return.

We need class systems for democacy to work. Their has to be poor, rich and middle class. The Beuaty about America However, is that their is an upper middle class and possibility for having no class at all. This is going to change with the slow integration of socialism, where upper middle class will dissapear entirely.

the rich get richer, while the hard working few support everyone above and below. You can count the injustices in the world, and the days you have left...but life goes on and your stuck in the middle. So; what are you going to do about it? Stop worrying so much about how little the middle class recieve and become full hearted with Pride in your work. this will lead to the ascent of obtaining the American Dream. just dont get caught in the machine of living to work

I remember Dusty Rhodes.

How does medical and dental insurance costing money and you not getting a tax return that you like constitute the American Dream being dead?

Madical and dental is a benefit that is handed to those on welfare and those working have to pay an arm and a leg for it, that's all I was impling with that.

I do however have the beginning and middle of the american dream, I have the education, job, the house, the husband, the child, and the vehicles. And now I am back in school getting another degree (cosmetology) because I want and I am taking every oppurtunity of interest that comes my way.

I'm half way my American Dream....got the Cadillac..money...all I need are the wife, kids, home, stuff...

Now, if for some reason I become disable and cannot perform my work....I go on welfare or social...either one is not going to stop my dream.

Originally posted by vandergirl
Madical and dental is a benefit that is handed to those on welfare and those working have to pay an arm and a leg for it, that's all I was impling with that.

I do however have the beginning and middle of the american dream, I have the education, job, the house, the husband, the child, and the vehicles. And now I am back in school getting another degree (cosmetology) because I want and I am taking every oppurtunity of interest that comes my way.

Is that what you strive for, then? Some formulaic notion of the ideal life?

What I strive for is to always do my best, what upsets yet I don't stress about it, is how as those who strive to be and do there best others benefit off of our work, money and efforts.

Keep in mind I am not stressing over this, in fact this is where people post comments to see how others feel about the situation, so don't think I am stressed! I am just curious if others feel the same about where and what their hard work and taxes go toward.

Thank You!

So what do you propose?

Am-eeee-EEEEE-rican dream.

But seriously, make your own dreams.

-AC

Victor Von Doom apparently you didn't read all of what I originally wrote and yet you are responding when you only know half of what I said.

The answer to your question is in what I wrote.

Also I am not asking to be questioned or argue with you about this matter or any other matter. In case you haven't figured it out yet, I am not ineterested nor do I have to for drama such as arguing with you.

Like I said before this was a simple post to see how others feel.

If you are looking to argue with someone find a different post "please".
I don't have the time there's better things to do then have unnessasary drama!

Anyway!....Thanks for your opinion

Well what then? You are complaining about the situation, and what?

You just want to see if people agree, and then that's that?

Bit pointless.

(I disagree)

Well if you are criticizing me asking what am I going to do about it when I am just asking for opinions.......you tell me this ...what are you going to do about the big issue you posted since you were just asking for opinions as well? "should dogs, cats, or horses be sold as food?"

Stop being so crtitical! I just wanted an opinion give it and then move on thx

If you think that's bad, go to California. Homeless people get 200 dollars a month just for being homeless.

Originally posted by vandergirl
Well if you are criticizing me asking what am I going to do about it when I am just asking for opinions.......you tell me this ...what are you going to do about the big issue you posted since you were just asking for opinions as well? "should dogs, cats, or horses be sold as food?"

Stop being so crtitical! I just wanted an opinion give it and then move on thx

I didn't post that; I replied to it.

I am not criticising you. You started a thread where you mention something that you are unhappy with. It's a discussion forum, not a 'random announcements' forum. People will discuss what you said.

So, I asked you in a friendly manner- what would you change, seeing as you are clearly unhappy with the status quo?

Originally posted by AngryManatee
If you think that's bad, go to California. Homeless people get 200 dollars a month just for being homeless.

Lucky them.

As I mentioned before there should be rewards for those trying their hardest and not just hand outs given to those who are doing nothing to better their situations. Thanks all

what's your opinion?

I might be having a threesome next weekend. My American dream will soon be fulfilled.

The only thing about the American Dream that I was misinformed about was that 9 to 5 thing. I haven't worked anywhere that wasn't 7 to 5.

Originally posted by vandergirl
The American Dream ......What a joke!



America........... What a joke!

The whole idea of a nation possessing one dream is preposterous. Live your own life, the reason the American dream is to get a good job etc etc is that you then pay more taxes, and, therefore contribute to capitalism. The American dream is a manufactured and processed one, and merely an attempt to indoctrinate the whole country.

Yes, the idea of having a family, a good job, and your own home is merely government instituted propaganda so that they can control our lives.

Anyway, the American Dream just means being successful and having a family. It doesn't mean you're a doctor. It just means being happy and relatively satisfied.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Yes, the idea of having a family, a good job, and your own home is merely government instituted propaganda so that they can control our lives.

Anyway, the American Dream just means being successful and having a family. It doesn't mean you're a doctor. It just means being happy and relatively satisfied.

Yeah but that kind of nonsensical ideology suggests that only having these things can bring happiness. It suggests there are winners and losers in life and only serves as a tool to keep the tax money rolling in. You can be perfectly happy without a good job and your own home. What happens if you fulfill this 'dream' and find out you aren't happy? That you would rather spend time flitting through different countries surviving on what you can? Are you no longer American?

You all have very good points. I think that the american dream can be anything you want it to be for yourself as long as you are relying on yourself to get it and not others. Such as those on welfare that don't need to be, they are costing those people who are working on their American Dream a lot of money.

Its wrong to assume that everyone on welfare is just some lazy nobody living off the system. Sure, a lot are, and I wish it didnt happen, but by no means would I ever take that systen away.

I think there are several major things wrong here.
First off, the typical "American Dream" seems to be, If you go to school, and work hard, you'll end up rich.
Which leads to the belief that anyone who is poor is lazy, and therefor should not get "Free handouts"
to which I respond, are you kidding me?
200 bucks a month? Not exactly the cushiest of support that is...
Its hard enough for a college graduate, with a good degree and experience to find a job, let alone a homeless person.
Also, don't complain about the size of you tax return check. I mean, why do you get more when your single, because you overpay your taxes in other places, you don't have dependants or other things, you do when your married.
The American dream is flawed, and stupid, but its not because of tax checks and welfare. Its an idealistic difference.
As someone, (i forget) here said once.
The American dream is the promise of Jam tommorow while forgetting the need for bread today.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Yeah but that kind of nonsensical ideology suggests that only having these things can bring happiness. It suggests there are winners and losers in life and only serves as a tool to keep the tax money rolling in. You can be perfectly happy without a good job and your own home. What happens if you fulfill this 'dream' and find out you aren't happy? That you would rather spend time flitting through different countries surviving on what you can? Are you no longer American?
Yes. That's what we're trying to say. If you don't have a house and kids, you're not an American.

Seriously, try not to be so ignorant. The American Dream obviously doesn't apply to all Americans, nor is it an actual dream. It refers to the fact that many people when they first came here saw America as a way to escape oppression and poverty in their host nations. It doesn't mean it's everyone's dream, or that that's what it takes to be happy. It's just a broad, general idea.

"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, but teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."

Originally posted by Grimm22
"Give a man a fish and he eats for a day, but teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime."


What happens when Global warming takes over and kills off all of our edible sea life, that dude would be shit out of luck. I say the best gift is a gift certificate to MCdonalds. That place is gonna be around forever. Who the hell wants raw ass fish when compared to a Mcrib. damn, jesus obviously never thought about the convienace of fast food

When you can go to a super mega gas station at three in the morning and buy almost any kind of porno, aspirin, beer, doritos, candy and a fully cooked meal along with fuel to get the hell out of dodge after sleeping with a std ridden hooker at a seedy brothel. I think we are all living the American dream

Having a house and a family is not an American dream. Everyone everywhere wants those things, so it is likely that the American Dream is political and media spin to increase taxes, as Chillmeistergen said.

Originally posted by Kinneary
Yes. That's what we're trying to say. If you don't have a house and kids, you're not an American.

Seriously, try not to be so ignorant. The American Dream obviously doesn't apply to all Americans, nor is it an actual dream. It refers to the fact that many people when they first came here saw America as a way to escape oppression and poverty in their host nations. It doesn't mean it's everyone's dream, or that that's what it takes to be happy. It's just a broad, general idea.

So the dream of escaping poverty and finding belonging is exclusive to America? By the looks of things that's exactly what America as a nation doesn't stand for, it's the land of the corporate giants. Who use poverty in third world countries to their gain. With a nation that was discovered 500 years ago, it's been ruined bloody quickly. Try to remember that native Americans lived there before it was discovered and they were quickly slaughtered or colonised, land of the free my arse.

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
The American dream is the promise of Jam tommorow while forgetting the need for bread today. thumbup1

(Damn. I hate when someone posts something I wish I had said.)

The above aside: my impression is that the American Dream is fast becoming an illusion to keep the masses happy while the Financial Elite continues to fatten up.

Originally posted by Mindship
thumbup1

(Damn. I hate when someone posts something I wish I had said.)

The above aside: my impression is that the American Dream is fast becoming an illusion to keep the masses happy while the Financial Elite continues to fatten up.


Credit anyone?

Originally posted by Soleran
Credit anyone?

AFAIK, it seems to be a Tptmanno1 original.

I think the idea of an "American Dream" is being severaly limited by the first post in this thread. The short and sweet answer to that notion is to point out that the "American Dream" is up to the person chasing it. If it means a family and a nice house, that's the American Dream for that person. If the American Dream means being successful in buisness and making a million dollars after a lot of hard work, then that's the American Dream for that person.

And anyone who doesn't think that the "American Dream", as it's used in the first post, isn't a bullshit political ploy should re-examine their perception of how this country works.

"It's called the American dream because the only way to experience it is while you're asleep at night, here in the U.S." - Anonymous

To me the American dream is being rich. Meanign being wealthy, healthy and happy. Unfortunately most Americans will get the sh*tty end of the stick in their life. Only a few of us or naturally pick for that life. And if you haven't achieved it by the age of 30, then forget about it. Chances are you never will.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
And if you haven't achieved it by the age of 30, then forget about it. Chances are you never will.

Lol it's thirty and quite for you then huh, good for you!

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
What happens when Global warming takes over and kills off all of our edible sea life, that dude would be shit out of luck. I say the best gift is a gift certificate to MCdonalds. That place is gonna be around forever. Who the hell wants raw ass fish when compared to a Mcrib. damn, jesus obviously never thought about the convienace of fast food

When you can go to a super mega gas station at three in the morning and buy almost any kind of porno, aspirin, beer, doritos, candy and a fully cooked meal along with fuel to get the hell out of dodge after sleeping with a std ridden hooker at a seedy brothel. I think we are all living the American dream

I wasn't aware Global Warming was some kind of evil monster who falls from the sky and "takes over" the earth, of course before that he'll kill all the fish just to mock us

Of course, Al Gore is a "prophet" so only he could have predicted such a thing right?

Originally posted by Soleran
Lol it's thirty and quite for you then huh, good for you!

...?

come again?

This myth began with Horatio Alger anyway... good deeds and a good heart will lead to prosperity sort of stuff.

Don't criticize the woman as if you all are living exactly as you would like to do. Just being asses for no reason. She's just saying the country is full of propaganda. This is how they say do it:

Go to school, get a job, work 9 to 5, it's that simple! No it's not but that's what is fed to us by the rich.

The rich give the poor the paradigms to go by the keep them "under control" so that their reign my continue. A lot of people in the middle class are poor people. Someone who works two job @ minimum wage and works 50 hours for 40 weeks of the year will be middle class. That's not middle class, comfortable to me. Knowledge in application 2guns

Your argument, just like most others are here, is flat. What about the few who enter the upper middle-class or the upperclass by either chance/luck or strictly by hard work. I don't think they go in with evil plans to oppress the poor worldwide. Poverty's the very last thing on a wealthy persons life, he/she won't get involved.

I know if i became rich, i'd do what i can, to the best of my ability to help my brethren. I don't know about you but no matter how much money i have, whether I have a few million bucks or I'm short 35 cents, it'll always kill me to see a hungry little kid on the street begging for change, in the U.S., of all places.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
Your argument, just like most others are here, is flat. What about the few who enter the upper middle-class or the upperclass by either chance/luck or strictly by hard work. I don't think they go in with evil plans to oppress the poor worldwide. Poverty's the very last thing on a wealthy persons life, he/she won't get involved.

I know if i became rich, i'd do what i can, to the best of my ability to help my brethren. I don't know about you but no matter how much money i have, whether I have a few million bucks or I'm short 35 cents, it'll always kill me to see a hungry little kid on the street begging for change, in the U.S., of all places.

LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Kevin Garnett - each are NBA all stars who came into the league by getting drafted out of high school. For each player like them, there are tens of thousands who placed everything into basketball and are now on their ass doing nothing. Didn't even consider college and know there's nothing for them.

That's not to say some do not go to college with the plan of playing for one year and getting drafted, but the point is that it's not a good/realistic way of looking at things.

So quote the exception to the rule, why?

Thank You chithappens for understanding where I was coming from unlike some others on here. I am just glad that I know other people have the same feelings about the matter. However, I understand that not all will agree and thats fine "free speech" still exist ( at least on this forum).............

I'm all for free speech but geez... some people are chastising for the fun of it bash

Trueglare

I was going to post this thing that's been copied and pasted all over Facebook called "A White Woman's Opinion Of A Black Woman," but I wouldn't dare do so now. Some are just finding this like sport - piss people off to feel good about themselves.

It's really sad actually blow

I am curious to read that if I am able too. So tell me how or post a link .
I see the situation from both angles seeing as how I have a black father and a white mother both who are seperated and let me tell you christmas is very different at wach location. Everyone is different but this does not entitle anyone to be hated for it.

Once again how can I read that?

A white woman writes a letter to a black magazine. She is engaged to a black man and wants to know why black men are going for white women instead of white women and why black women stare are her so crazy when her and her fiancee are together. A black man responds and yea...

I'll pm you the blog like thing first so you can see why I'm so reluctant and then tell me if you think it should be posted.