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hmm

Originally posted by guy222
hmm

Keep it clean

is this post or pre retcon brothers? 2nd, are the brothers equal to the presence/TOAA?

If it's the Brother before the retcon either one of them can blink out the Great Darkness, however if it's post the recon it might be harder.
I consider the Great Darkness to be the equalment of Pre-retcon Beyonder, and he would smoke the others.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
is this post or pre retcon brothers? 2nd, are the brothers equal to the presence/TOAA?

Both apply

ARGH!!! wallbash That answer doesn't tell me shit........

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
If it's the Brother before the retcon either one of them can blink out the Great Darkness, however if it's post the recon it might be harder.
I consider the Great Darkness to be the equalment of Pre-retcon Beyonder, and he would smoke the others.

Thanks for post

Wow. Too hard to call if it's the pre retconned brothers. They would win. Two God's versus one. The LT dies in midst of the battle.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
ARGH!!! wallbash That answer doesn't tell me shit........

Pre Retcon Brothers are powerful Post Retcon Brothers work for LT. LT and Merlyn possibly are equalswave

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wow. Too hard to call if it's the pre retconned brothers. They would win. Two God's versus one. The LT dies in midst of the battle.
The Brothers were supreme the Great Darkness is not, they beat him singlehandely.

LT can crush the Omniverse.

Merlyn can crush the Omniverse

The Brothers are Two Megaverses.

Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.



This GEB better be packin, or he's toast.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT can crush the Omniverse.

Merlyn can crush the Omniverse

The Brothers are Two Megaverses.

Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.



This GEB better be packin, or he's toast.

The GEb would beat the **** out of LT and merlyn with one arm tied behind it's back. Now pre retconned brothers would win. two Gods versus one.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The GEb would beat the **** out of LT and merlyn with one arm tied behind it's back. Now pre retconned brothers would win. two Gods versus one.
Yahweh is the Ultimate Light and Ultimate Darkness merged.
Yahweh isnt supreme.

The Blue and Red Brothers were.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yahweh is the Ultimate Light and Ultimate Darkness merged.
Yahweh isnt supreme.

The Blue and Red Brothers were.

Ur confusing some things. And yes yahweh was the supreme god of the vertigo multiverse. As I said, GEB beats down the Lt and merlyn. But not the pre retconned brothers.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Ur confusing some things. And yes yahweh was the supreme god of the vertigo multiverse. As I said, GEB beats down the Lt and merlyn. But not the pre retconned brothers.
One pre-retconned Brother would whip his ass.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Wow. Too hard to call if it's the pre retconned brothers. They would win. Two God's versus one. The LT dies in midst of the battle.

LT will never die

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The GEb would beat the **** out of LT and merlyn with one arm tied behind it's back. Now pre retconned brothers would win. two Gods versus one.

I said keep it clean. I know u have your opinion. That's fine.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT can crush the Omniverse.

Merlyn can crush the Omniverse

The Brothers are Two Megaverses.

Each Megaverse is a collection of Multiverses.



This GEB better be packin, or he's toast.

Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals

Originally posted by guy222
Keep it clean

Sidious likes LT=Merlyn>The Brothers>GEB

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Sidious likes LT=Merlyn>The Brothers>GEB

wave

They aren't brothers if you guys are talking about the ones from marvel. They are just two megaverses in Lt's hand. The real brothes belong to DC and marvel and cannot be retconned.

Originally posted by guy222
Mr. M, do u consider LT and Merlyn equals

Yes.

LT is still the ultimate Judge, the most powerful.


But Merlyn has an edge though, he is perhaps nearly as powerful as LT, but with the freewill to do with his power as he wishes, like threatening the existence of Multiverses during a training session,


while LT has to abide by a strict protocol, where if his Three Aspects do not agree, he can't intervene/act with his personal power and instead needs to send minions to do his work, like when he sent Silver Surfer after Rune who had the IG.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Merlyn freewill to do with his power as he wishes, like threatening the existence of Multiverses during a training session,

This is why omnipotence shouldn't be given to idiots with free will.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
They aren't brothers if you guys are talking about the ones from marvel. They are just two megaverses in Lt's hand. The real brothes belong to DC and marvel and cannot be retconned.

So they just happen to look exactly alike and be called "The Brothers" too?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
This is why omnipotence shouldn't be given to idiots with free will.

meh, I think he manipulated the whole event to prepare Roma for any similar threats that might ever arrive during her rulership as Omniversal Guardian.

After all,

Jaspers was just a Chess Piece in Merlyn's Board, so ...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7885/m3yx7.th.jpg


I should add, Merlyn is no idiot.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yes.

LT is still the ultimate Judge, the most powerful.


But Merlyn has an edge though, he is perhaps nearly as powerful as LT, but with the freewill to do with his power as he wishes, like threatening the existence of Multiverses during a training session,


while LT has to abide by a strict protocol, where if his Three Aspects do not agree, he can't intervene/act with his personal power and instead needs to send minions to do his work, like when he sent Silver Surfer after Rune who had the IG.

Sounds fair

Originally posted by Mr Master
meh, I think he manipulated the whole event to prepare Roma for any similar threats that might ever arrive during her rulership as Omniversal Guardian.

After all,

Jaspers was just a Chess Piece in Merlyn's Board, so ...

http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/7885/m3yx7.th.jpg


I should add, Merlyn is no idiot.

I was joking.

IMO putting the ominverse in danger isn't overly bright.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I was joking.

So was I.


Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
IMO putting the ominverse in danger isn't overly bright.

Unless the danger is an illusion because you manipulate the outcome before hand.

swank

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I was joking.

IMO putting the ominverse in danger isn't overly bright.

Chaos, who wins. Does GEB or Brothers Team?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The GEb would beat the **** out of LT and merlyn with one arm tied behind it's back. Now pre retconned brothers would win. two Gods versus one.
Given that the GEB IS an arm, it might be harder then you think...

The LT and Spectre, as well as all other abstracts were just insects to the two pre-retconned brothers. In fact, the Brothers did not even notice LT and Spectre. I don't think the pre retconned brothers were the Presence and the TOAA. Both brothers were slumbering before they became aware of each other again. It seems the DC Presence has played somewhat of a role over the eons.

So, if the Brothers are not the Presence and the TOAA...then, who are they? Were they created by the Presence and TOAA, or are they self-existing, like God....they just have always been. Anyway, I know all of this is just speculation and there is no real answer.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Given that the GEB IS an arm, it might be harder then you think...

GEB wins unless the Brothers are Pre-Retcon

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
The LT and Spectre, as well as all other abstracts were just insects to the two pre-retconned brothers. In fact, the Brothers did not even notice LT and Spectre. I don't think the pre retconned brothers were the Presence and the TOAA. Both brothers were slumbering before they became aware of each other again. It seems the DC Presence has played somewhat of a role over the eons.

So, if the Brothers are not the Presence and the TOAA...then, who are they? Were they created by the Presence and TOAA, or are they self-existing, like God....they just have always been. Anyway, I know all of this is just speculation and there is no real answer.

Post Retcon Brothers work for LT. TOAA=Presence

Originally posted by guy222
Post Retcon Brothers work for LT. TOAA=Presence


yeah, I was talking about pre-retconned brothers though.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
GEB wins unless the Brothers are Pre-Retcon

Pre and Post win. GEB isn't beating LT in Marvel. Let me ask u, how does GEB fare against Merlyn. Post Retcon Brothers work for LT. TOAA will not allow LT to lose.

Originally posted by charlemagne9746
yeah, I was talking about pre-retconned brothers though.

Pre Brothers amazing. Fact. Post Retcon Brothers work for LT. Do u know about Merlyn?

Originally posted by guy222
Pre and Post win. GEB isn't beating LT in Marvel. Let me ask u, how does GEB fare against Merlyn. Post Retcon Brothers work for LT. TOAA will not allow LT to lose.

Uh Yeah Geb is beating the LT.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Uh Yeah Geb is beating the LT.

Not in Marvel, my friend.

Originally posted by guy222
Not in Marvel, my friend.

This forum here is a neutral zone. Try to understand this.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This forum here is a neutral zone. Try to understand this.
How can GEB fight with one hand tied behind it's back when GEB is a hand?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This forum here is a neutral zone. Try to understand this.

I understand fairness. I said keep it clean. I know u want GEB to win. I respect your opinion. Of course, mine is different. I have the avatar.

Originally posted by guy222
I understand fairness. I said keep it clean. I know u want GEB to win. I respect your opinion. Of course, mine is different. I have the avatar.

WTF

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
WTF

I like words also

Originally posted by King Kandy
How can GEB fight with one hand tied behind it's back when GEB is a hand? No it wasn't...
It's hand was the only one shown... and it was still pawning everyone...ermm

Originally posted by bigbran
No it wasn't...
It's hand was the only one shown... and it was still pawning everyone...ermm

Actually it was the tip of its thumb

Originally posted by kevdude
Actually it was the tip of its thumb Shit... well, that's nothing compared to his full power then... but, that's just one robot's opinion.

Damn robots...thinking they're smarter than us.

So, everything the angels and yada yada fought until Spectre arrived was just GEB's thumb?

Did we ever see its face? I've only looked at a few scans as my ISP is too low for me to bother loading all of them.

Originally posted by guy222
I like words also

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel01_32.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel01_32.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel01_31.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel01_31.jpg

Testing

lol the GEB takes this effortlessly.

A Pre-retconned Brother spitts on him causing him to die ...

Living Tribunal would give him a fair battle.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
A Pre-retconned Brother spitts on him causing him to die ...

Living Tribunal would give him a fair battle.

Post retcon brothers are blinked away

LT is blinked away.

Originally posted by Board Walker
lol the GEB takes this effortlessly.

Welcome GEB might be in trouble. Do u know about Merlyn?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
A Pre-retconned Brother spitts on him causing him to die ...

Living Tribunal would give him a fair battle.

Brothers are powerful

Originally posted by Board Walker
Post retcon brothers are blinked away

LT is blinked away.

LT>Post Brothers. LT won't die. Its Marvel

Mr. M showed many times that The Brothers were nothing but universal powers.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Mr. M showed many times that The Brothers were nothing but universal powers.

I admire Mr. M. I like Galan's views on the Brothers. IMHO, Pre Brothers are awesome. Post Brothers, look at my avatar. Do u have an opinion on Merlyn?

Originally posted by guy222
I admire Mr. M. I like Galan's views on the Brothers. IMHO, Pre Brothers are awesome. Post Brothers, look at my avatar. Do u have an opinion on Merlyn?

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/living_tribunal01.gif

Originally posted by guy222
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/living_tribunal01.gif

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/WarlockInfinityWatch11-18.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/WarlockInfinityWatch11-18.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel02-p12.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel02-p12.jpg

I am goin to tease u. Use Imageshack

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Mr. M showed many times that The Brothers were nothing but universal powers.

Thats one of the Funiest post ever..Thanks

M/Brothers/LT for the win

Originally posted by starlock
Thats one of the Funiest post ever..Thanks

M/Brothers/LT for the win

I always appreciate your input

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
I am goin to tease u. Use Imageshack

hmm

Very true it is.

I mean, for the supreme beings of both Marvel and DC, both were just universal.

Check the Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. The Brothers topic. He shows the scans I mentioned. None mention anything resembling multiversal power.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Very true it is.

I mean, for the supreme beings of both Marvel and DC, both were just universal.

Check the Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. The Brothers topic. He shows the scans I mentioned. None mention anything resembling multiversal power.

Well said. I never liked the whole Beyonder character. IMHO. The Brothers are

Originally posted by guy222
Well said. I never liked the whole Beyonder character. IMHO. The Brothers are

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel03-p38.jpg

Originally posted by guy222
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel03-p38.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel04-p1819.jpg

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Very true it is.

I mean, for the supreme beings of both Marvel and DC, both were just universal.

Check the Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. The Brothers topic. He shows the scans I mentioned. None mention anything resembling multiversal power.
Sometimes the term universe is used to describe the continuity.
I mean after all, the Living Tribunal and Spectre (logoz) was beneath their notecing.
Would the Living Tribunal and Spectre interfare if it were just a universe?

you are correct thanos_hotu the term universe was used to describe marvel/dc.

I don't see the triple dot ( ... ) so I don't think it's sarcasm, however, if it is, then I'd say in my defence, how come they were the supreme beings if they were just universal?

According to the On Panel evidence and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt,,

they were exactly a Multiverse each, I think!



The Brothers were ONE Universe each, and in battle they shattered into a Multiverse each, (OR DID THEY?)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9484/one56ox.th.jpg
"Fragments of their Essence blew in all directions, and as the Universe spread so did the Brothers"

(This ISN'T talking about the Brothers expanding with the Universe, this is referring to "SHARDS" of the Brothers that spread through out the Universe)




"Remember the Brothers LOST Parts of themselves in the Big Bang "SHARDS"
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1976/one109hv.th.jpg
"These "SHARDS" take different Forms"




"Other "SHARDS" become Parts of living Beings, Souls if you will"
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4816/one117hq.th.jpg
"ever so often , One or Two become aware, like me and you"




Doesn't really matter though,



Remember fellas,

this garbage is Non-Canon.

They could of been the Supreme beings, even above TOAA and the Presence,

but only in a fantasy.


The Pre-Retcon Brothers' only appearance was during that Company Cross-over. (DC vs Marvel)

Exactly 4 issues.


3 Months later, and they become Two Megaverses. (IN Marvel)


Perhaps the shortest existence of any characters in history. (and Non-Canon on top of that)

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to the On Panel evidence and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt,,

they were exactly a Multiverse each, I think!



The Brothers were ONE Universe each, and in battle they shattered into a Multiverse each, (OR DID THEY?)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9484/one56ox.th.jpg
"Fragments of their Essence blew in all directions, and as the Universe spread so did the Brothers"

(This ISN'T talking about the Brothers expanding with the Universe, this is referring to "SHARDS" of the Brothers that spread with the Universe)




"Remember the Brothers LOST Parts of themselves in the Big Bang "SHARDS"
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1976/one109hv.th.jpg
"These "SHARDS" take different Forms"




"Other "SHARDS" become Parts of living Beings, Souls if you will"
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4816/one117hq.th.jpg
"ever so often , One or Two become aware, like me and you"




Doesn't really matter though,



Remember fellas,

this garbage is Non-Canon.

They could of been the Supreme beings, even above TOAA and the Presence,

but only in a fantasy.


The Pre-Retcon Brothers' only appearance was during that Company Cross-over. (DC vs Marvel)

Exactly 4 issues.


3 Months later, and they become Two Megaverses.

Correction, they did not become two megaverses. Three months later, marvel created two megaverses which resembled the brothers.

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to the On Panel evidence and I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt,,

they were exactly a Multiverse each, I think!



The Brothers were ONE Universe each, and in battle they shattered into a Multiverse each, (OR DID THEY?)

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9484/one56ox.th.jpg
"Fragments of their Essence blew in all directions, and as the Universe spread so did the Brothers"

(This ISN'T talking about the Brothers expanding with the Universe, this is referring to "SHARDS" of the Brothers that spread through out the Universe)




"Remember the Brothers LOST Parts of themselves in the Big Bang "SHARDS"
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1976/one109hv.th.jpg
"These "SHARDS" take different Forms"




"Other "SHARDS" become Parts of living Beings, Souls if you will"
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/4816/one117hq.th.jpg
"ever so often , One or Two become aware, like me and you"




Doesn't really matter though,



Remember fellas,

this garbage is Non-Canon.

They could of been the Supreme beings, even above TOAA and the Presence,

but only in a fantasy.


The Pre-Retcon Brothers' only appearance was during that Company Cross-over. (DC vs Marvel)

Exactly 4 issues.


3 Months later, and they become Two Megaverses. (IN Marvel)


Perhaps the shortest existence of any characters in history. (and Non-Canon on top of that)

I would choose to put it this way:

It is non canon of cause because we cannot have such beings running around

No my point is that they each represented each of there companies blue for Marvel and red for DC ore the other way around. It doesn't really matter, we have seen numorous times that universe can refer to multiverse and so on. I believe that if we take the Omniverse that is today in marvel that would have been One of the brothers since it was basiclly the companies fightning and thus the other would represent everything in DC.

But as I said just my view on the Issue

So they got their powers reduced from a universe to a Megaverse

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Correction, they did not become two megaverses. Three months later, marvel created two megaverses which resembled the brothers.

"Resemble?"

I see.



So you're saying these cats:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1395/hand1fd9.th.jpg


Are not these cats:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9741/ltrules2lu3.th.jpg
"Two Siblings whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"



And it's OFFICIAL!!!


And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1328/omniis2yp2.th.jpg
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the Brothers,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse"





SO they just happen to look EXACTLY ALIKE,

and they just happen to have the EXACT SAME NAME.


Sorry, but how can I not laugh.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I would choose to put it this way:

It is non canon of cause because we cannot have such beings running around

No my point is that they each represented each of there companies blue for Marvel and red for DC ore the other way around. It doesn't really matter, we have seen numorous times that universe can refer to multiverse and so on. I believe that if we take the Omniverse that is today in marvel that would have been One of the brothers since it was basiclly the companies fightning and thus the other would represent everything in DC.

But as I said just my view on the Issue

Good morning. Who wins the exciting match?wave

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Resemble?"

I see.



So you're saying these cats:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1395/hand1fd9.th.jpg


Are not these cats:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9741/ltrules2lu3.th.jpg
"Two Siblings whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"



And it's OFFICIAL!!!


And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1328/omniis2yp2.th.jpg
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the Brothers,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse"





SO they just happen to look EXACTLY ALIKE,

and they just happen to have the EXACT SAME NAME.


Sorry, but how can I not laugh.

Mr. M, is Merlyn more powerful than The Brothers

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So they got their powers reduced from a universe to a Megaverse

Again,

the DC & Marvel Brothers could have been beyond TOAA and the Presence,

and it does NOT matter.


It's a Non-Canon story.


So they can be whatever you want them to be,

a Universe, Multiverse, Omniverse, God, whatever. (It's all fantasy)


The only legit Brothers, are the ones in LT's hand. (a Megaverse each)

I could care less about the DC/Marvel garbage, since they don't exist, and now never existed at all, because the story is Non-Canon.

As are the post-retconned, or wait they're Marvel ... Is X-man adventures 12 cannon?

Originally posted by guy222
Good morning. Who wins the exciting match?wave

No doubt in my mind Merlyn pre retcon brothers and LT takes this without breaking a sweat.

Originally posted by Utrigita
It is non canon of cause because we cannot have such beings running around




Originally posted by Utrigita
No my point is that they each represented each of there companies blue for Marvel and red for DC ore the other way around.

Non-Canon.


Originally posted by Utrigita
It doesn't really matter, we have seen numorous times that universe can refer to multiverse and so on.

I agree.


Originally posted by Utrigita
I believe that if we take the Omniverse that is today in marvel that would have been One of the brothers since it was basiclly the companies fightning and thus the other would represent everything in DC.

I disagree.

TOAA/God is Marvel, not these Brothers.


The LT and Spectre would never Own TOAA and the Presence,

but LT and Spectre DID OWN these Brothers momentarily:



"The Brothers are MERGING Realities, combining Universes"
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1752/one262ai.th.jpg

(Actually we find out in the Next Issue, that the Living Tribunal and Spectre were the ones that MERGED the TWO Universes BY FORCE!)





When LT and Spectre MERGED the TWO Universes/Brothers, (by Force)

the Brothers became ONE Universe called the Amalgam Universe

(basically a Mixture of BOTH)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2343/br1bn2.th.jpg





"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2453/br2sj1.th.jpg
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"





"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre,

are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER" (by Force)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6881/br3vf3.th.jpg
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"





The Living Tribunal and Spectre were struggling to keep the Brothers MERGED.

But they still succeeded in doing so: (momentarily)

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1033/ltspni4.th.jpg



Catch LT and Spectre trying to do this to TOAA or the Presence

Who ever these Brothers were supposed to be, it sure wasn't TOAA & Presence.

Understand you doesn't get it

Non canon of cause but they still represent each of there companies if believe that was the idea when they first made the entire crossover marvel fighting dc.

I must disagree with you Mister Master as you stated earlier this is non canon so basically they could even be above TOAA and Presence we doesn't know and we will never know.

And we have had this two times no wishes of making it a third time, so to the last part I will just disagree, ore shall we begin posting the same responds as the last two times ore just leave it there that they momentaly ownd the Brothers but when the battle begun was powerless to stop them marvel appendix says so. cheers

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
As are the post-retconned, or wait they're Marvel ...

Nah, T.

The Brothers LT held are Canon.


And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1328/omniis2yp2.th.jpg

"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the Twin Entities the BROTHERS,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse,

within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse"


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Is X-man adventures 12 cannon?

Absolutely, besides the Bio certifying this,

Adventures of the X-Men was an Alternate Reality, in the Marvel Reality:

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6179/adventuresofthexmen1201do7.th.jpg

Originally posted by Mr Master
Again,

the DC & Marvel Brothers could have been beyond TOAA and the Presence,

The Brothers wasent aware of them ... Some force just merged them together as they were fighting.
And when finaly the Brothers realized what've happend, they separeated.
The Living Tribunal and Spectre (logoz) couldent even hold back their swords, they were like 2 flies flying around them, in fact they were less, since they didnt notice them.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Understand you doesn't get it

Non canon of cause but they still represent each of there companies if believe that was the idea when they first made the entire crossover marvel fighting dc.

I must disagree with you Mister Master as you stated earlier this is non canon so basically they could even be above TOAA and Presence we doesn't know and we will never know.

And we have had this two times no wishes of making it a third time, so to the last part I will just disagree, ore shall we begin posting the same responds as the last two times ore just leave it there that they momentaly ownd the Brothers but when the battle begun was powerless to stop them marvel appendix says so. cheers

Don't leave me out cheers

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Brothers wasent aware of them ... Some force just merged them together as they were fighting.
And when finaly the Brothers realized what've happend, they separeated.
The Living Tribunal and Spectre (logoz) couldent even hold back their swords, they were like 2 flies flying around them, in fact they were less, since they didnt notice them.

Tribunal held the Brothers in his hand

Originally posted by Utrigita
Understand you doesn't get it




Originally posted by Utrigita
Non canon of cause but they still represent each of there companies if believe that was the idea when they first made the entire crossover marvel fighting dc.

In a Non-Canon Reality, sure ... Aunt May could be beyond TOAA.


Originally posted by Utrigita
I must disagree with you Mister Master as you stated earlier this is non canon so basically they could even be above TOAA and Presence we doesn't know and we will never know.

If you understand and believe this is a Non-Canon story, we shouldn't even be taking into consideration anything that's mentioned in this arc.

I'm only giving you fellas info so you won't confuse yourselves.

DC vs Marvel is a Non-Canon garbage of a story.

It contradicts all the Historical elements that have been extablished by Marvel for years.


Like claiming the Brothers were the first entities in existence, bull shit

The first Entity in existence was the Infinity Being, referrenced and stated TWICE On Panel in Official Canon Titles:




Thanos said the (Original) Infinity Being was:



"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1466/in1hy6.th.jpg
"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it "


Then Thanos says, I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?

(which makes sense)





"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7470/in2uq6.th.jpg
"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"






Diana of the Dark Shoppe (of another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2944/in3gn0.th.jpg


ALL Official and Canon.



Originally posted by Utrigita
And we have had this two times no wishes of making it a third time, so to the last part I will just disagree, ore shall we begin posting the same responds as the last two times ore just leave it there that they momentaly ownd the Brothers but when the battle begun was powerless to stop them marvel appendix says so.

"Powerless to stop them?"


Yet they only struck each other ONCE after LT and Spectre interrupted their private battle.

Why?

Because LT and Spectre were holding them back.

So your appendix is wrong.

The Infinity being (Nemessis) isnt even in your Hierarchy, why?
Thanos is not omniscient, there might have existed a creator of the Inifnity being.

Originally posted by Mr Master





In a Non-Canon Reality, sure ... Aunt May coul be beyond TOAA.




If you understand and believe this is a Non-Canon story, we shouldn't even be taking into consideration anything that's mentioned in this arc.

I'm only giving you fellas info so you won't confuse yourselves.

DC vs Marvel is a Non-Canon garbage of a story.

It contradicts all the Historical elements that have been extablished by Marvel for years.


Like claiming the Brothers were the first entities in existence, bull shit

The first Entity in existence was the Infinity Being, referrenced and stated TWICE On Panel in Official Canon Titles:




Thanos said the (Original) Infinity Being was:



"This Being was the only Living Thing that Existed within Any and ALL Realities"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/1466/in1hy6.th.jpg
"ALL That Was and ALL that Was Was it "


Then Thanos says, I wouldn't blame you for calling it "GOD" ...

What other name would fit?

(which makes sense)





"ALL That Was Was already Part of Itself ... there was NO Other in it's Life"
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/7470/in2uq6.th.jpg
"It chose to put an End to itself ...

from it's Ashes rose ALL That is currently Reality ... in ALL it's many forms"






Diana of the Dark Shoppe (of another Universe) basically tells the same tale:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/2944/in3gn0.th.jpg


ALL Official and Canon.





"Powerless to stop them?"


Yet they only struck each other ONCE after LT and Spectre interrupted their private battle.

Why?

Because LT and Spectre were holding them back.

So your appendix is wrong.

No the first topic is just that the hole story is pointless more ore less, hence the comment we cannot have those beings running around

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/brothers.htm

You have told that this side is approved my marvel so

Again I must disagree there is strong profe suggesting that they only stopped to battle because of Batmans and Captain Americans inteference and the Brothers seeing something speciel in them, hence the words "powers are unleashed that none (LT and Spectre) have witness before and the LT and The spectre is awed" I believe that is the way it goes. Pretty much telling me that LT and Spectre where nothing to these guys.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Brothers wasent aware of them ... Some force just merged them together as they were fighting.

And when finaly the Brothers realized what've happend, they separeated.

I don't where you got that story from, but here are the Facts, again:



"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2453/br2sj1.th.jpg
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"





"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre,

are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER" (by Force)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6881/br3vf3.th.jpg
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"




LT and Spectre OWNED the Brothers momentarily,

and in fact, had it not been for Access giving LT and Spectre some of the Brothers' own power to them, they wouldn't have been able to release the Brothers without destroying BOTH the Brothers first:



Access placed "SHARDS" (Fragments of the Brothers) within Captain America & Batman, which were still there even in their Archetypes in the ONE Amalgam Universe the Brothers had become.

Access gives Spectre & LT the Power of the "SHARDS" within Bats & Cap to Separate the TWO Universes without destroying then at the same time.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3747/br4pu5.th.jpg
"I'm giving the Living Tribunal access to the Power within You, and we're using it to Restore the Universes"





It works!
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/1249/br5nk2.th.jpg

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8899/dcvsmarveim4.th.jpg




"As it had come Together, the Universe that was an Amalgam of TWO Others blows apart"
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1729/br7kv1.th.jpg

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal and Spectre (logoz) couldent even hold back their swords, they were like 2 flies flying around them, in fact they were less, since they didnt notice them.

Those were comments made by Access, who could barely comprehend what the heck he was witnessing.

The reality is,

LT and Spectre were holding the Brothers back, and because of this, the Brothers were only able to strike each other ONCE after LT and Spectre interrupted their battle.

Originally posted by Utrigita
You have told that this side is approved my marvel so

I dispute even Handbook Bios that contradict On Panel evidence friend,

so this means nothing.


Also according to that Bio, Spectre is a joke to LT:

"The Spectre in the DC universe isn't really the equivalent to the Living Tribunal. He is much less powerful and not the guardian of the multiverse. He is actually the embodiment of God's wrath or something."

(towards the bottom, above clarifications)


Do you accept this too?



And for the record Utrigita,

I only accept Bio info that coincides with On Panel evidence,

If there is only one source of proof, then On Panel > Bio.


Originally posted by Utrigita
Again I must disagree there is strong profe suggesting that they only stopped to battle because of Batmans and Captain Americans inteference and the Brothers seeing something speciel in them, hence the words "powers are unleashed that none (LT and Spectre) have witness before and the LT and The spectre is awed" I believe that is the way it goes. Pretty much telling me that LT and Spectre where nothing to these guys.

LT and Spectre were nothing

and somehow LT and Spectre managed to completely WARP both Brothers.


Got it.

The universes was supose to represent the continuities, Marvel and DC.
That's why the Brothers were supreme.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The universes was supose to represent the continuities, Marvel and DC.
That's why the Brothers were supreme.

Not that Supreme,

they were completely Warped/Manipulated by LT and Spectre.

They were going to be destroyed had LT & Spectre not separated them properly.


"Marvel & DC?"


Since when are the companies just One Multiverse each?

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9484/one56ox.th.jpg


How is this possible, Multi-Eternity is the Multiverse.



"represent the continuities, Marvel and DC?"


Where are ALL the other significant Cosmics?

Where is the Omniversal Guardian?


This garbage is full of holes.

Yeah, it might be filled with plot holes ect. But the mening of it, they were meant to represent the companies, they were meant to be supreme, as they power expanded like a function of infinity the Living Tribunal and Spectre become nothing to them.

Marvel = One universe
DC = One universe

Together they're 2 universes, in other words a Multiverse.
Multi means more than one ...

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Yeah, it might be filled with plot holes ect. But the mening of it, they were meant to represent the companies, they were meant to be supreme,

The story is so terrible they couldn't even keep that in order.

All the major Cosmics were missing, Omniversal Guardians should have been essential to this crap, but even they were forgotten.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
as they power expanded like a function of infinity

Where is it stated that their power expanded?

The "Shards" travelled outwards with the expansion of the Universe, but the "Shards" themselves stayed the same.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
the Living Tribunal and Spectre become nothing to them.

How could they be nothing to them,

when they Warped the Brothers completely, nearly destroying both Brothers?

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Marvel = One universe
DC = One universe

Together they're 2 universes, in other words a Multiverse.
Multi means more than one ...

I sincerely believe they meant to make this the DC Reality vs the Marvel Reality,

but they just picked the wrong Writers, or not enough research was done into the History of the Marvel or DC Cosmology.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I dispute even Handbook Bios that contradict On Panel evidence friend,

so this means nothing.


Also according to that Bio, Spectre is a joke to LT:

"The Spectre in the DC universe isn't really the equivalent to the Living Tribunal. He is much less powerful and not the guardian of the multiverse. He is actually the embodiment of God's wrath or something."

(towards the bottom, above clarifications)


Do you accept this too?



And for the record Utrigita,

I only accept Bio info that coincides with On Panel evidence,

If there is only one source of proof, then On Panel > Bio.




LT and Spectre were nothing

and somehow LT and Spectre managed to completely WARP both Brothers.


Got it.

Okay but again you continues post scans that showes that marvel appendix is approved by Marvel.

If we say spectre then it very much depends on who is the host of him gods wrath ore the one who got faced kicked by batman Spectre changes his powers LT doesn't change directly.

Correct they where nothing.

As you say in you own respect thread to LT, Spectre and LT momentailly owns the Brothers and then it is LT and Spectre that gets ownd, remember that they isn't stopping the fight , Captain America and Batman are the one that pulls of that hattrick of getting the Brothers to seize fire.

LT also says that he feels a power that warps the universal balance that he cannot do anything right, and I can only assume that he is only refering to the brother from Marvel, The one from DC is just as powerful, and spectre as said later is also powerless, so basically we have to omnipotente beings that are getting tricked/"forced" into doing something they doesn't want to. I can also momentally force a guy from the gym that can beat me into something that I want I can trick him ore force him, momentally, but in the long run he will win the fight.

Pointless to debate really Merlyn Pre-retcon Brothers and LT wins.

(it is funny everytime I have been gone for a while I always ends up in this discussion concerning the Pre retcon Brothers vs someone)

Originally posted by Mr Master
The story is so terrible they couldn't even keep that in order.

All the major Cosmics were missing, Omniversal Guardians should have been essential to this crap, but even they were forgotten.

The Living Tribunal was there, and he couldent even affect the battle at the end.


It took time for them to break the barrier between Marvel and DC.
The lack of knowlegde of the other side made them incomplete, both supreme, this was causing a paradox, an imbalance.
They merged because of the Living Tribunal and Spectre, true, but when the realized that they've fused the imidetely broke free.

They were a bit dence, ture, "a trillion years seemed like a blink of an eye". So they didn't realize that they were merged



Destroying, no, not even close, it took time to adjust to the new world, as they both were supreme in this paradox.
Their powers were at prime, but the intelligence, it took time for them to understad, this however is wierd since they're potrayed as ethernal and exists beyond time itself.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal was there, and he couldent even affect the battle at the end.


It took time for them to break the barrier between Marvel and DC.
The lack of knowlegde of the other side made them incomplete, both supreme, this was causing a paradox, an imbalance.
They merged because of the Living Tribunal and Spectre, true, but when the realized that they've fused the imidetely broke free.

They were a bit dence, ture, "a trillion years seemed like a blink of an eye". So they didn't realize that they were merged



Destroying, no, not even close, it took time to adjust to the new world, as they both were supreme in this paradox.
Their powers were at prime, but the intelligence, it took time for them to understad, this however is wierd since they're potrayed as ethernal and exists beyond time itself.

They where never fused they where :Mr Master Forced: :Utrigita Tricked: into another universe.

Intelligense what intelligense they had nothing of that.

Originally posted by Utrigita
They where never fused they where :Mr Master Forced: :Utrigita Tricked: into another universe.

Intelligense what intelligense they had nothing of that.
They used all their powers to merge the Brothers, by doing so they merged all Marvel and DC.
"The Brothers didn't like it at all" -- And broke free.
The Brothers didnt give any attention to any other than eachother.

Even when they was to stop the Brothers they didn't even affect the battle. They were literally useless.

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/1866/18wg8.jpg

Read this, as well, they fused, not forced.
"The Brothers are setting the contst their own way"
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/1502/33099844iq8.jpg

Not the Spectre's way, not the Living Tribunal's way, but their own way.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Okay but again you continues post scans that showes that marvel appendix is approved by Marvel.

And again,

I don't care what source you use,

if it contradicts what happened On Panel, it's inconsequential.


Originally posted by Utrigita
If we say spectre then it very much depends on who is the host of him gods wrath ore the one who got faced kicked by batman Spectre changes his powers LT doesn't change directly.

It doesn't say anything about that, only that Spectre is weaker than LT:

"The Spectre in the DC universe isn't really the equivalent to the Living Tribunal. He is much less powerful and not the guardian of the multiverse. He is actually the embodiment of God's wrath or something."


Originally posted by Utrigita
Correct they where nothing.

But still enough to OWN the Brothers.


LT and Spectre completely WARPED the Brothers into One Universe:
Originally posted by Mr Master
"The Brothers are MERGING Realities, combining Universes"
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1752/one262ai.th.jpg

(Actually we find out in the Next Issue, that the Living Tribunal and Spectre were the ones that MERGED the TWO Universes BY FORCE!)





When LT and Spectre MERGED the TWO Universes/Brothers, (by Force)

the Brothers became ONE Universe called the Amalgam Universe

(basically a Mixture of BOTH)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/2343/br1bn2.th.jpg





"He had thought the MERGING was the DOING of the Brothers, it was NOT"

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/2453/br2sj1.th.jpg
"because of the War, ONE of the Universes faced being hurled INTO OBLIVION"





"And the Cosmic Guardians ... the Living Tribunal and Spectre,

are HOLDING it ALL TOGETHER" (by Force)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/6881/br3vf3.th.jpg
"Their effort Created a Amalgam Universe ... the Brother aren't Happy about it"


Originally posted by Utrigita
As you say in you own respect thread to LT, Spectre and LT momentailly owns the Brothers and then it is LT and Spectre that gets ownd,

Actually you're totality wrong about that friend.


LT and Spectre released the Brothers, cause the Brothers were going to be destroyed.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Had it not been for Access giving LT and Spectre some of the Brothers' own power to them, they wouldn't have been able to release the Brothers without destroying BOTH the Brothers first:



Access placed "SHARDS" (Fragments of the Brothers) within Captain America & Batman, which were still there even in their Archetypes in the ONE Amalgam Universe the Brothers had become.

Access gives Spectre & LT the Power of the "SHARDS" within Bats & Cap to Separate the TWO Universes without destroying then at the same time.
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3747/br4pu5.th.jpg
"I'm giving the Living Tribunal access to the Power within You, and we're using it to Restore the Universes"




"As it had come Together, the Universe that was an Amalgam of TWO Others blows apart"
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1729/br7kv1.th.jpg



Those were comments made by Access, who could barely comprehend what the heck he was witnessing.

The reality is,

LT and Spectre were holding the Brothers back, and because of this, the Brothers were only able to strike each other ONCE after LT and Spectre interrupted their battle.


Originally posted by Utrigita
remember that they isn't stopping the fight, Captain America and Batman are the one that pulls of that hattrick of getting the Brothers to seize fire.

What trick?

The Brothers stopped because when they finally clashed, they saw the significance of life, through Cap and Bats, there was no trick.


Originally posted by Utrigita
LT also says that he feels a power that warps the universal balance that he cannot do anything right, and I can only assume that he is only refering to the brother from Marvel,

"The Cosmic Balance tilts, and for the first time, I can not right it" (bull shit)

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/7352/dcvsmarvegg8.th.jpg

"But what could possibly exist that is mighty enough to thwart my will of the LT?"



I don't know ... Korvac backed by Death?

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8864/page33fn9.th.jpg


"Is Korvac's power so vast that he can shield his World from my righteous retribution?"

"I have meted out my punishment, yet Korvac stands ... I can do no more"



Originally posted by Utrigita
so basically we have to omnipotente beings that are getting tricked/"forced" into doing something they doesn't want to.

Show me where is it stated that LT & Spectre tricked the Brothers?

On Panel LT & Spectre Physically WARPED/MANIPULATED the Brothers

completely by Force,

don't sugar coat it.


Originally posted by Utrigita
I can also momentally force a guy from the gym that can beat me into something that I want I can trick him ore force him, momentally, but in the long run he will win the fight.

Bad analogy.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Spectre in the DC universe isn't really the equivalent to the Living Tribunal. He is much less powerful Really?

Spectre tapped into the logoz (his true power) would be his equalment I presume.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Spectre tapped into the logoz (his true power) would be his equalment I presume. I agree.

However merged with the Source he would have the edge.
I think he was tapped into the logos (you can't see it anyways) when he fought the Bro's.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
However merged with the Source he would have the edge. Possibly.

The Brothers however are:
PR Bro's > Presence + TOAA
or
PR Bro's = Presence + TOAA

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Living Tribunal was there, and he couldent even affect the battle at the end.

LT and Spectre WARPED both Brothers,

and the Brothers were nearly obliterated because of this.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
It took time for them to break the barrier between Marvel and DC.
The lack of knowlegde of the other side made them incomplete, both supreme, this was causing a paradox, an imbalance.

This must be your personal theory cause I never came across this info in the story.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They merged because of the Living Tribunal and Spectre, true, but when the realized that they've fused the imidetely broke free.

This is incorrect.

LT and Spectre themselves detached the Brothers, with the help of Access.

I already posted the proof twice.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They were a bit dence, ture, "a trillion years seemed like a blink of an eye". So they didn't realize that they were merged

Again, your speculation,

this isn't mentioned anywhere On Panel or in their Bio.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Destroying, no, not even close,

More than CLOSE!



"When it looked like the Universes would be Obliterated"

http://img75.imageshack.us/img75/731/b1ll3.th.jpg

"We're still here indicates our Universes coexisting rather than smashed together"



LT and Spectre even say,

http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/6078/b2ze1.th.jpg

The Universes are momentarily safe"

"It is nothing short of miraculous they exist at all"


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
it took time to adjust to the new world, as they both were supreme in this paradox. Their powers were at prime, but the intelligence, it took time for them to understad,

Again, speculation.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Brothers however are:
PR Bro's > Presence + TOAA
or
PR Bro's = Presence + TOAA

This would mean that LT and Spectre can obliterate TOAA and the Presence.

I must disagree.

Originally posted by Galan007
Really?

According to the Brothers Bio?

Yes.



That's where I got that from, cause someone tried to use the Brothers' Bio as proof.

So I threw that one at them, and asked,

"Do you accept this too?"

Originally posted by Mr Master
According to the Brothers Bio?

Yes.



That's where I got that from, cause someone tried to use the Brothers' Bio as proof.

So I threw that one at them, and asked,

"Do you accept this too?" Bro's bio written by Marvel?

Originally posted by Mr Master
This would mean that LT and Spectre can obliterate TOAA and the Presence.

I must disagree.
They were supreme, nothing was above them.
And the Living Tribunal and Spectre couldent kill them, they were amazed that they had survived, but then again, the Brothers werent.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
They were supreme, nothing was above them.
And the Living Tribunal and Spectre couldent kill them, they were amazed that they had survived, but then again, the Brothers werent.

IMHO, Brothers are impressive. Post Brothers work for LT. LT=Spectre. I stay in the present

Originally posted by Galan007
Bro's bio written by Marvel?

Yea,

that's kinda funny, but it seems Marvel was taking over these cats even when they were supposed to be the Marvel and DC Multiverse.

Actually they went as far as to say they were Megaverses even back then, that's where they stated that Spectre is "far weaker" than LT.

This site IS approved by Marvel and for the most past they are on point, (more detailed information than necessary) but like any system it has flaws, they have the Omniverse as all Comic Book companies and that's rubbish, to them Marvel is a Megaverse, nonsense that would put LT holding both the DC and Marvel Reality in one hand.

Anywho, they probably just need an update on the page and site, that's an obscure subject line where only aficionados like ourselves would notice.


Perhaps I should submit a "heads up" to their site, they actually encourage us to email them about any errors one might find in their bios.

That's definitely one,


Marvel must've hated the whole project so much that they Retconned the Brothers 3 Months after DC vs Marvel ended.


I also read somewhere in Marvel.com I believe that Marvel considers Michael as LT's equal.

I'll get you the link.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea,

that's kinda funny, but it seems Marvel was taking over these cats even when they were supposed to be the Marvel and DC Multiverse. Hmmm, since it was solely a Marvel Bio, I wouldn't take it to heart seeing as how the characters were created by Marvel and DC.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually they went as far as to say they were Megaverses even back then, that's where they stated that Spectre is "far weaker" than LT. Nah, I have always considered LT and Spectre as equals.

There is really nothing to suggest otherwise IMO.

Originally posted by Mr Master
This site IS approved by Marvel and for the most past they are on point, (more detailed information than necessary) but like any system it has flaws, they have the Omniverse as all Comic Book companies and that's rubbish, to them Marvel is a Megaverse, nonsense that would put LT holding both the DC and Marvel Reality in one hand. Well it did say LT had to consult with his "hooded spectral ally".

IMO this was Marvel's way of referring to Spectre without infringing on any copyright laws.

If that's true, then someone might think LT could have been holding both realities waiting to consult with Spectre....... But it does sound like rubbish.

Spectre guards DC
LT guards Marvel


Originally posted by Mr Master
Marvel must've hated the whole project so much that they Retconned the Brothers 3 Months after DC vs Marvel ended. Same with DC.

Hell Marvel at least retconned the Bro's.

DC just never wrote about them again.


Originally posted by Mr Master
I also read somewhere in Marvel.com I believe that Marvel considers Michael as LT's equal.

I'll get you the link. Not sure about that.

Michael = God's power personified

I thought LT was just an agent of God/TOAA, he doesn't actually personify such power, if he did, THOTI shouldn't have affected him.

That's why I have always thought of Spectre and LT as equals.

Just as I think of THOTI and Michael as equals.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hmmm, since it was solely a Marvel Bio, I wouldn't take it to heart seeing as how the characters were created by Marvel and DC.

Nah, I have always considered LT and Spectre as equals.

There is really nothing to suggest otherwise IMO.

Well it did say LT had to consult with his "hooded spectral ally".

IMO this was Marvel's way of referring to Spectre without infringing on any copyright laws.

If that's true, then someone might think LT could have been holding both realities waiting to consult with Spectre....... But it does sound like rubbish.

Spectre guards DC
LT guards Marvel


Same with DC.

Hell Marvel at least retconned the Bro's.

DC just never wrote about them again.


Not sure about that.

Michael = God's power personified

I thought LT was just an agent of God/TOAA, he doesn't actually personify such power, if he did, THOTI shouldn't have affected him.

That's why I have always thought of Spectre and LT as equals.

Just as I think of THOTI and Michael as equals.

Galan, who wins. GEB or the Team. Nice avatar

Originally posted by guy222
Galan, who wins. GEB or the Team. The team IMO.

Originally posted by guy222
Nice avatar Thanks.

The Brothers were supreme, in literal sense. Any opposition is screwed.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Brothers were supreme, in literal sense. Any opposition is screwed.

Not the Post - Retcon versions

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Resemble?"

I see.



So you're saying these cats:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1395/hand1fd9.th.jpg


Are not these cats:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9741/ltrules2lu3.th.jpg
"Two Siblings whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"



And it's OFFICIAL!!!


And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1328/omniis2yp2.th.jpg
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the Brothers,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse"





SO they just happen to look EXACTLY ALIKE,

and they just happen to have the EXACT SAME NAME.


Sorry, but how can I not laugh.

You can laugh all you want. They are property of both marvel and DC. thus they were never retconned.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can laugh all you want. They are property of both marvel and DC. thus they were never retconned. I somewhat agree with this.


How can Marvel officially retcon characters which were developed in a crossover by both companies?


The only way this could be done properly, is if DC sold their rights to the Brothers to Marvel.


But did they? srug

Originally posted by Galan007
Hmmm, since it was solely a Marvel Bio, I wouldn't take it to heart seeing as how the characters were created by Marvel and DC.

Actually, the site is approved by Marvel, so Marvel vouches the info they exhibit.

I think it's a matter of updating that subject matter.

Originally posted by Galan007
Nah, I have always considered LT and Spectre as equals.

There is really nothing to suggest otherwise IMO.

Then again there's nothing to suggest they are.


And there probably never will be.

Originally posted by Galan007
Well it did say LT had to consult with his "hooded spectral ally".

IMO this was Marvel's way of referring to Spectre without infringing on any copyright laws.

Yea that's exactly what Juntai said,

but like I've said before, it doesn't matter who it was, the only one that manipulated the Brothers was the LT.

LT did all the work while his "helper" consulted with him in some fashion.

Originally posted by Galan007
If that's true, then someone might think LT could have been holding both realities waiting to consult with Spectre....... But it does sound like rubbish.

I agree.


Originally posted by Galan007
Spectre guards DC

LT guards Marvel

Not in continuity.

LT is the Judge.

Merlyn/Roma are the Guards.


This is how that DC/Marvel garbage mixes things up.

Originally posted by Galan007
Michael = God's power personified

I thought LT was just an agent of God/TOAA, he doesn't actually personify such power, if he did, THOTI shouldn't have affected him.

meh, TOAA can make Betsy Ross more powerful than LT, even if LT represents his power.

Just like THOTI is below TOAA, although being his power.

I'm sure Michael<<<<Presence right?


Plus:


LT has stated that he represents TOAA's power:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg
"I represent Forces"


Which is inconsequential if TOAA wishes it. (which is why THOTI was above LT)

Originally posted by Galan007
That's why I have always thought of Spectre and LT as equals.

Just as I think of THOTI and Michael as equals.

It's plausible,

imo, Spectre would have to be second to the Presence like LT is to TOAA.

You guys call that Spectre merged with the Source right? (I'm not sure)

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You can laugh all you want. They are property of both marvel and DC. thus they were never retconned.


Originally posted by Galan007
I somewhat agree with this.

No need to repeat myself.
Originally posted by Mr Master
So you're saying these cats:

http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1395/hand1fd9.th.jpg


Are not these cats:

http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9741/ltrules2lu3.th.jpg
"Two Siblings whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"



And it's OFFICIAL!!!


And it's ALL CANON, according to the OHOTMU v5 (2006)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1328/omniis2yp2.th.jpg
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the Brothers,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse"





SO they just happen to look EXACTLY ALIKE,

and they just happen to have the EXACT SAME NAME.


Sorry, but how can I not laugh.

I have no other response to this ... so

as yall wish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
No need to repeat myself.


I have no other response to this ... so

as yall wish.

Not much of a response really.

It shows Marvel trying to make a retcon that they can't.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, the site is approved by Marvel, so Marvel vouches the info they exhibit.

I think it's a matter of updating that subject matter.



Then again there's nothing to suggest they are.


And there probably never will be.



Yea that's exactly what Juntai said,

but like I've said before, it doesn't matter who it was, the only one that manipulated the Brothers was the LT.

LT did all the work while his "helper" consulted with him in some fashion.



I agree.




Not in continuity.

LT is the Judge.

Merlyn/Roma are the Guards.


This is how that DC/Marvel garbage mixes things up.



meh, TOAA can make Betsy Ross more powerful than LT, even if LT represents his power.

Just like THOTI is below TOAA, although being his power.

I'm sure Michael<<<<Presence right?


Plus:


LT has stated that he represents TOAA's power:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg
"I represent Forces"


Which is inconsequential if TOAA wishes it. (which is why THOTI was above LT)



It's plausible,

imo, Spectre would have to be second to the Presence like LT is to TOAA.

You guys call that Spectre merged with the Source right? (I'm not sure)

SPectre merged with the source is an entirely different Beast. Far far superior to The LT. It's the source of all power merged with the Spectre.

Originally posted by Mr Master
LT has stated that he represents TOAA's power:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/7993/ltisaboveig5ez.th.jpg
"I represent Forces"But LT has also said that he is an agent of TOAA, so srug


Also, representing forces, doesn't necessarily mean that you personify the power of those forces.

LT represents TOAA

Michael is God's power personified



IMO those are 2 completely different rankings.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It's plausible,

imo, Spectre would have to be second to the Presence like LT is to TOAA.

You guys call that Spectre merged with the Source right? (I'm not sure) Yeah,

IMO Spectre merged with the Source =/> LT.

The same could be said about Michael and THOTI.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
SPectre merged with the source is an entirely different Beast. Far far superior to The LT. It's the source of all power merged with the Spectre.

LT=Spectre. My opinion. Do u have a winner? Team or GEB

Is Marvel really that simple and rediculous in their creativity department,

that they would actually use the exact same names and look of the Brothers?


Isn't that in itself copyright infringment?


Why would Marvel do that?

It's senseless and stupid.


Hundreds if not thousands of characters have been created, and they couldn't even change the LOOK of the Brothers?

Let alone the exact name?


Come on yall, obviously there was a retcon, of sorts.

We don't even know if DC is involved in this retcon or not, but they must've been, I can't see Marvel jacking the Brothers' NAME and LOOK and think it would go unnoticed.

Why are we all speculating around the FACT, that the Brothers were Retconned?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Is Marvel really that simple and rediculous in their creativity department,

that they would actually use the exact same names and look of the Brothers?


Isn't that in itself copyright infringment?


Why would Marvel do that?

It's senseless and stupid.


Hundreds if not thousands of characters have been created, and they couldn't even change the LOOK of the Brothers?

Let alone the exact name?


Come on yall, obviously there was a retcon, of sorts.

We don't even know if DC is involved in this retcon or not, but they must've been, I can't see Marvel jacking the Brothers' NAME and LOOK and think it would go unnoticed.

Why are we all speculating around the FACT, that the Brothers were Retconned?

The brothers only appeared in the DC vs. Marvel Cross over. If DC had anything at all to do with that bullshit marvel retconn, then Marvel would have had the OK to accually use the Spectre's name and image. Nuff said.

Originally posted by Galan007
But LT has also said that he is an agent of TOAA, so srug
Also, representing forces, doesn't necessarily mean that you personify the power of those forces.

As you wish


Originally posted by Galan007
Michael is God's power personified

So Michael is equal to the Presence in power?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not much of a response really.

It shows Marvel trying to make a retcon that they can't.

Pre Brothers were powerful. Marvel vs DC 1-4. Post Retcon Brothers work for LT. LT is still here. Always will be. I won't comment on retcons anymore. Chaos, do u have a winner?

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
The brothers only appeared in the DC vs. Marvel Cross over. If DC had anything at all to do with that bullshit marvel retconn, then Marvel would have had the OK to accually use the Spectre's name and image. Nuff said.

"Nuff said?"


So then you concede that LT and Spectre,

were able to OWN and Obliterate the Brothers?

Originally posted by Mr Master
So Michael is equal to the Presence in power? As long as the Presence allows it.


But,
The Presence giveth, and the Presence taketh away.


This again is why I compare Michael to THOTI.

Originally posted by guy222
Chaos, do u have a winner?

Team

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Nuff said?"


So then you concede that LT and Spectre,

were able to OWN and Obliterate the Brothers?

Did you get what I just said. The retcon didn't happen. If it were sanctioned by DC, then marvel could have used the Spectre's name and Image. They didn't have permission to do an official retconn thus they had to say hooded spectral ally. And It was implied that The LT had to wiat for the Go ahead to even retconn the brothers from the hooded spectral ally.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Team

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Did you get what I just said. The retcon didn't happen. If it were sanctioned by DC, then marvel could have used the Spectre's name and Image. They didn't have permission to do an official retconn thus they had to say hooded spectral ally. And It was implied that The LT had to wiat for the Go ahead to even retconn the brothers from the hooded spectral ally.

Actually Marvel didn't mention Spectre because Spectre has NOTHING to do with Marvel.

SO they used a term that alludes to it being Spectre, to give the reader referrence of the Brothers' originality, which involved Spectre.


But had Marvel used Spectre name, this would suggest that Spectre is involved in the Cosmological affairs of Marvel,

which is impossible.


The whole point of the RETCON, is to make them Marvel's Brothers,

NOT Marvel's and Spectre's.

LT Mvell

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually Marvel didn't mention Spectre because Spectre has NOTHING to do with Marvel.

SO they used a term that alludes to it being Spectre, to give the reader referrence of the Brothers' originality, which involved Spectre.


But had Marvel used Spectre name, this would suggest that Spectre is involved in the Cosmological affairs of Marvel,

which is impossible.


The whole point of the RETCON, is to make them Marvel's Brothers,

NOT Marvel's and Spectre's.

Marvel cannot, I repeat Cannot, take jointly created characters and make them all thier own. The only thing marvel did was create 3 new Characters. Two megaverses and someone called the Hooded Spectral Ally. Thanks.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Marvel cannot, I repeat Cannot, take jointly created characters and make them all thier own. The only thing marvel did was create 3 new Characters. Two megaverses and someone called the Hooded Spectral Ally. Thanks.

As you wish.

Originally posted by Darth Wolverine
LT Mvell

Cool

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.

Not as I wish. As the Copy right laws of the land wish.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Not as I wish. As the Copy right laws of the land wish.

"Laws" that were ignored right here:


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1395/hand1fd9.th.jpg



http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9741/ltrules2lu3.th.jpg
"Two Siblings whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"




On Panel and in the Bio, your "Laws" were RAPED

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1328/omniis2yp2.th.jpg
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the Brothers,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse"


http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8113/ltrules2lu3lb1.th.jpg
(up close)


SO they just happen to look EXACTLY ALIKE,

and they just happen to have the EXACT SAME NAME.




So Marvel can get sued for using Spectre's name,

but not the Brothers name and look,

which according to you, HALF belongs to DC.

Originally posted by Mr Master
"Laws" that were ignored right here:


http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1395/hand1fd9.th.jpg



http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/9741/ltrules2lu3.th.jpg
"Two Siblings whom the Tribunal has a place for in HIS great scheme of things"




On Panel and in the Bio, your "Laws" were RAPED

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/1328/omniis2yp2.th.jpg
"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the Brothers,

each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse"


http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/8113/ltrules2lu3lb1.th.jpg
(up close)


SO they just happen to look EXACTLY ALIKE,

and they just happen to have the EXACT SAME NAME.




So Marvel can get sued for using Spectre's name,

but not the Brothers name and look,

which according to you, HALF belongs to DC.

You just can't stand to be wrong. You are really not that great of a debator when you look at it. You are doing nothing but trying to force your view of how things should be. The brothers from marvel vs DC were not retconned becuz they were published in a join book and must be retconned with consent of both companies. No where has DC established that this retconn was approved by them. What if DC decides to take two similiar looking "brothers" and make them Trillions of times more powerful than the Spectre and his hooded 3 faced freind? Then what? You see how silly that is. Now go run along.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
You just can't stand to be wrong. You are really not that great of a debator when you look at it. You are doing nothing but trying to force your view of how things should be. The brothers from marvel vs DC were not retconned becuz they were published in a join book and must be retconned with consent of both companies. No where has DC established that this retconn was approved by them. What if DC decides to take two similiar looking "brothers" and make them Trillions of times more powerful than the Spectre and his hooded 3 faced freind? Then what? You see how silly that is.

Now go run along.

firefirefireph


Took you long enough.

Originally posted by Mr Master
firefirefireph

YOu do this alot when you really have no comeback. Oh master debator. As I said, your tricks get old.