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well... if darth plagues the wise made anakin by using the mitichloreons, and darth plagues is most obviously on the dark side, then why did anakin destroy the last of the sith in the last movie? why would darth plagues even create him with any chance of having any good in him at all?

Anakin used common sense in destroying palpatine and If you remember in ep.3 palpatine said he killed him in his sleep maybe Darth Plaguis forsaw this and cretated Ani for the sole purpose of destroying palpatine...

well if plaguis forsaw this, then why didn't he use the miti-chloreons to destroy the emperor?

Because he taught him every thing he knew so by then they were almost evenly matched and powerful, besides that was just a theroy

thanks for the input, and that is a nice theory

Originally posted by zhellblah
well... if darth plagues the wise made anakin by using the mitichloreons, and darth plagues is most obviously on the dark side, then why did anakin destroy the last of the sith in the last movie? why would darth plagues even create him with any chance of having any good in him at all? Since it's never been stated that Plagueis actually DID create Anakin...

And even if he did, who said Plagueis created him with the intention of him becoming the Chosen One?

yes. plagueus could have created anakin to be his apprentice, planning on killing palpatine....assuming his did create him

When did Plagueis die anyway? We don't know anything about this, without possibly going into EU Sources.

Originally posted by queeq
When did Plagueis die anyway? We don't know anything about this, without possibly going into EU Sources.

that post is EU bait! chair

thanx zhellblah! and queeq has a point we really dont know when Plaguis was killed maybe palpatine thought he killed him but he was too powerful

Subtext-wise it's fair to ASSUME Palpy killed him. Which kinda makes the whole concept of a Sith-legend a lie then. Because.. what Sith would tell the story of Jedi would not? Only Palpy and he's not out spreading such Sith-inside news now...

Here is what i belive. I belive if INFACT that Plaguis made Anikan Skywalker that he forsaw what Anakin would do..Destroy the Jedi but one fact that Plaguis did not count on would be his son..or on another note maby he made him for the SOUL purpose For killing ALL JEDI as a last resort and maby after palpatine killed plaguis he joined the Senate to become chancellor and....looks over his master's investment...

has anyone picked up on the fact that this topic has nothing at all to do with ep6?

Have you picked up on the fact that we all need hugs?

i wasnt aware that i needed a hug. where did you get this information? it better not be EU

This Thread really should be called "I got a question, about Plaguis" The way its been going....

Originally posted by Schecter
i wasnt aware that i needed a hug. where did you get this information? it better not be EU

I told you yesterday!!

Originally posted by sheastation
This Thread really should be called "I got a question, about Plaguis" The way its been going....

Nope, that would be in the EU section then

Exactly so relocate it

Originally posted by General G
I told you yesterday!!

was that before of after i hit you with the chair?

Originally posted by Schecter
has anyone picked up on the fact that this topic has nothing at all to do with ep6?

But it is about EPIII, so he did select the right forum. I say that's moving up in the world.

Originally posted by Schecter
was that before of after i hit you with the chair?

I can't remember anything before you hit me with the chair, so I would say before

Good call.

I would say so.

Who, did i miss a fight?

not really....

Hit him with a chair.

I can just dodge it, with my Jedi senses.

Not a chair.

as you wish

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/PVS/starwarschair.gif

Bye Makashi.

That was fast.ermm

He may return though better get the mace

he didn't even hit me, my Jedi senses alerted me of danger and i just avoided blows.

*wakes makashi up with smelling salt*

ah good, you're alive *sigh of relief*
my bad...guess i overdid it

Salt?

I never really noticed whether salt smelled bad or not...

smelling salt is often used in sports to wake someone who was knocked unconscious, particularly in boxing.


:edit: dummies

I always sucked at sports...

I knew that. Didn't know Makashi was a sport.

I am the best figure skater in the world, pretty impressive, don't you think.

Next to my inner child. He is great

Originally posted by General G
Next to my inner child. He is great

Whats his name?

probably "inner child"

wow is it just me or has this thread gone insanely off-topic? so like, what you guys are saying is that plaguis never really DID create anakin, and it never says that? wow i must've gotten that info from some random person off the streets. But now i've got another question. if anakin was created by the will of the force, then why would the force allow him to throw the force off balance? why would he be created with such an easily-corrupted mind?

Good point.I don't think GL thought things through very well but on his defense:
1. It is never established where Anakin came from. Apparantly, there is the link with a divine virgin birth to bring salvation. Lucas uses that theme, but doesn't discuss it.
2. The prophecy is questioned even by the Jedi, its explanation in any case.
3. Maybe the has to be some purge to clean out the old and make way for the new. I think the Jedi suck big balls in the PT: they're blind an operate in a sluggish bureaucratic way and some of them are quite nasty (like Mace). Then there is the reported growing arrogance among Jedi. So a pretty cruel approach if this is true: for good things to happen, first very bad things must happen. Probably to make you realise you need salvation, if you didn't before.

I kinda like that explanation...I can't think of anything contradictory...

No, it's more the feel that things are missing. That feel is correct.

thanks queeq. that's a good explanation. but i read in wookiepedia (star wars wiki) last night that anakin was either a. made by sidious (plaguis was dead decades before anakin was made) or b. anakin was made by the will of the force itself. either all of that is purely based on EU stuff, or GL said it somewhere

You are right: EU! So not here.

For all we know, his mother could have been a huge **** and just was too embarassed to say "yeah, sorry, but I just can't remember which one it was, maybe Watto..."

omg, general g (lol rhymes) that was the WORST IMAGE EVER... thanks for that...

The Jedi are not lame in the PT, they are great, the only thing that bothered me, was the scientific explanation of the Force.

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I do my best.

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I hated that explanation...and the Jedi were pretty lame...

If the Jedi are lame, how much more lamer is GG.

Damn, quotes didn't work...lets try again:

Originally posted by Count Makashi
The Jedi are not lame in the PT, they are great, the only thing that bothered me, was the scientific explanation of the Force.

I do my best

Originally posted by General G
(auto quote)

I do my best.

(auto quote)

I hated that explanation...and the Jedi were pretty lame...

I hated that explanation...and the Jedi were pretty lame...

Originally posted by Count Makashi
If the Jedi are lame, how much more lamer is GG.

Not at all lame, pretty awesome if anything.

Damn quotes messed up again!

The Jedi are much more cooler and better then GG.

They aren't even in the same class as him, he is way above them.

Right, thats way he has so much screen time.

They didn't want to take away from what little coolness the Jedi had

Because GG has none.

That doesn't even make sense.

It means GG isn't cool at all, see, your mentally challenged.

is this for real? are you actually attacking and insulting him based on a fictional character or is this some kind of snappy inside dialogue between you two that im not up to speed with?

Only not, because see, I will explain really simply so even you can understand: George Lucas did not want to put General Grievous in for too long, because he was just so awesome and cool, that Lucas knew that he couldn't have much screen time, or else he would steal the whole movie, and take away from people like Sidious, Vader, Mace, Yoda, and such.

Originally posted by Schecter
is this for real? are you actually attacking and insulting him based on a fictional character or is this some kind of snappy inside dialogue between you two that im not up to speed with?

Its for real

And General G, how do you know what GL wanted.

Originally posted by Schecter
is this for real? are you actually attacking and insulting him based on a fictional character or is this some kind of snappy inside dialogue between you two that im not up to speed with?

Maybe

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Its for real

And General G, how do you know what GL wanted.

I know these things

Your making stuff up, i know these things.

Apaprently not if you didn't know that.

lol GG pwnt he shoulda ownt OB1 in a friggin heartbeat. did you see his opening move?! what with the blender of lightsabers? OB1 shoulda never even been able to stop that! the hand-slicing thing was just a ploy made by GL (completley making this part up) to make it so OB1 won and didn't get totally pwnt like he should have

never underestimate a jedi master, or think that some cheep gimmick like mechanical twirly blades are enough to take him down...or die like GG

pssssh it don't matter. GG shoulda pwnt... and you know it

no. in fact obiwan should have taken him out quicker imho.
(ffs he tried kicking a droid limb)


GG fanboys so cling to the notion that obiwan got lucky.
when GG was approaching obiwan, you have to notice the he's
trying to figure out the way to penetrate GG's offense. and sure enough,
once he figured it out, 2 of GG's hands are GONE.

GG has no Force, so he doesn't see things before they happen. He never stood a chance.

But it would have been pretty tough for OB1 to know where all four of Grievous's arms were going to be, that would take a lot of focus, and he was kind of busy blocking anything he could. And I will repeat was said:

Originally posted by zhellblah
pssssh it don't matter. GG shoulda pwnt... and you know it

yeah sure, ok.


you're wrong

Says you.

Originally posted by zhellblah
lol GG pwnt he shoulda ownt OB1 in a friggin heartbeat. did you see his opening move?! what with the blender of lightsabers? OB1 shoulda never even been able to stop that! the hand-slicing thing was just a ploy made by GL (completley making this part up) to make it so OB1 won and didn't get totally pwnt like he should have

What can I say? Greivous has style, no substance, like all the PT characters.

Originally posted by General G
Says you.

yeah, news flash: GG and dooku both died quickly and like bitches.

GG: OWNED

dooku: OWNED (for when 'frak' comes back)

*watches scenes again* yup, im right.

stupid

Originally posted by Schecter
dooku: OWNED (for when 'frak' comes back)

dooku wasn't owned... he cut anakins arm off when he had 2 sabers and wounded obi-wan. he woulda killed them if yoda hadn't shown up... and dooku still got away from YODA.... so ye dooku didn't get owned

Originally posted by zhellblah
dooku wasn't owned... he cut anakins arm off when he had 2 sabers and wounded obi-wan. he woulda killed them if yoda hadn't shown up... and dooku still got away from YODA.... so ye dooku didn't get owned


big deal, he beat up a padawan.
yeah, it was impressive that he cut down obiwan,
but anakin was just an impulsive puppy.
in ep3 dooku was manhandled and made into anakin's *****.
im sorry, but look at the hilight reel. that scene has "PWNED"
written all over it.

Hehehe

he still wasn't pwned... obi-wan still got knocked out in ROTS... and again obi1 woulda been killed if anakin wasnt a friggin beast

Dooku is one of the greatest swordsman, that ever lived, just for the record.

You can't really prove that.

I think the ROTS novel says something like that.

EU though. Not everything that happened in the book hapenned in the movie.

But it described Dookus character, why wouldn't that be true in the movies, it didn't contradict it, so its true.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
But it described Dookus character, why wouldn't that be true in the movies, it didn't contradict it, so its true.

umm yea it did contradict it... WHEN ANAKIN USED HIS UBERPWNAGE SKILLES AND DECAPITATED HIM!!!

Haha, thats because Anakin is so god, anyone in that position would louse to him.

Especially Dooku.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Haha, thats because Anakin is so god, anyone in that position would louse to him.


except for obi-wan... who got... owned... twice... by... dooku... GAAAH CONTRADICTION (brain explodes)

Originally posted by General G
EU though. Not everything that happened in the book hapenned in the movie.

No, the novelisations of the films are NOT EU!!! They are canon. So they count as much as the movies.

Originally posted by queeq
No, the novelisations of the films are NOT EU!!! They are canon. So they count as much as the movies. Does that only count for additional dialog and scenes? Cause a lot of places in the novelizations differ from the movie. Even if just slightly.

Originally posted by Tangible God
Does that only count for additional dialog and scenes? Cause a lot of places in the novelizations differ from the movie. Even if just slightly.

Exactly, the books should be considered EU! What happens if one contradicts the other?

Then we call GL names.

Sorry folks, such are the rules. Films, novelisations of the films and radioplays are all canon. And yes, they contradict sometimes. Blame the maker.

That's dumb...

Its a contradiction only, when contradicts the movie, other stuff added is canon.

Originally posted by General G
That's dumb...

Blame Lucas.

I will get right on that. 131

And you will lose, he is the creator of the universe.

The SW universe that is.

Is there another?

Good call.

There's also the ST universe.

He mentioned ST!!!!!

*starts filling out banning request form*

Not cool Makashi, not cool. I could help with that if you like queeq.

Go ahead.

*pulls pin* ST is far superior to SW *runs*

How brave.

Bravery or stupidity? Do you think he can run fast enough to get away?

I've got six little friends and they can all run faster than he can.

ST wouldnt stand a chance against SW. *nod*

While i do think SW is better, ST is also magnificent.

Sometimes.

This whole line of questioning is worthless anyway because Palps was lying to Anikan just so he could turn him to the dark side. He only brought up bringing life from out of nothing so it would get Anikan to see that he needed Palp to save the one he loved, which Palps knew about him and Padme, so he could use this info to his advantage.

Palps doesn't lie a whole lot though... he kinda twists it a little bit and leaves a lot out. I don't think you'll find many lies in his words.

Technically, he didn't actually lie once in the films. He just told the parts of the truth that were convenient to him.

Exactly. Well, he did lie about knowing the way to cheat death.

How do we know? Maybe he did know and just never shared it.

Well, I felt it was kinda weak towards Anakin. Because he turned to save Padme from certain death, he said he knew how. And when Anakin turned he suddenly said that only Plageuis knew... but that together they might find out. So that's a way to get the most powerful Jedi turned evil to turn on you, unless he was truthful as a father who doesn't know everything.

Well, Palps seemed kind of busy at the time. I'm sure if all that crap was true (which we have no way of knowing) that Palps had a starting point. They just didn't get to it by the time ROTS ended.

Or by the time ROTJ ended.

He probably hadn't thought of it by ROTJ.

There was no one to keep alive, so why did it matter?

Well, he already knew and mentioned that his wife had died, so they could have gone somewhere with that.

Its to STOp people from dying, not bringing people back from the dead.

"I wish Maul hadn't died"

True.

When and where was that said?

It a spoof I saw of Episode 3. Palps says it to himself while Anakin is whining about sand.

I could see that.

Originally posted by queeq
Exactly. Well, he did lie about knowing the way to cheat death. I don't think he ever said that HE knew.

Well, this is what he said.

PALPATINE: Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn to know the dark side of the Force, Anakin, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death.

and..


PALPATINE: You have great wisdom, Anakin. Know the power of the dark side. The power to save Padme.


So he's very close to saying that his way is the way to save Padme. He doesn't actually say it as a fact, but when he says that together they may find out.... I feel that should have been enough of a cop out for Anakin to go beserk. He cut off Mace's hands for less.

Originally posted by queeq
Well, this is what he said.

PALPATINE: Only through me can you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Learn to know the dark side of the Force, Anakin, and you will be able to save your wife from certain death.

and..


PALPATINE: You have great wisdom, Anakin. Know the power of the dark side. The power to save Padme.


So he's very close to saying that his way is the way to save Padme. He doesn't actually say it as a fact, but when he says that together they may find out.... I feel that should have been enough of a cop out for Anakin to go beserk. He cut off Mace's hands for less. If Palps offered me a 7up, I would've done the same.

Well, he said only through him, but he never said he'd get it right away, or specified how long it would take. Close, but no Jesus Powers yet.

No. But the point is that Palpy clearly suggests he has the answers to Anakin's questions. And then he says he doesn't... in fact, taht Anakin has to figure it out with him.

Or he was just lying.

That was the question. It's pretty close to lying to me.

I think it was twisting the truth. Not lying, but not being honest.

Anakin: LIAR!

Exactly.

Solved then?

Yup. CLosing.