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This fight takes place on a military base packed with fighter jets, missiles, tanks and what have you- a lot of shit at their disposal basically.

Magneto

vs.

Juggernaut

on a military base.


who wins?

Juggernaut Classic or 8th day.

Originally posted by Madvillain
This fight takes place on a military base packed with fighter jets, missiles, tanks and what have you- a lot of shit at their disposal basically.

Magneto

vs.

Juggernaut

on a military base.


who wins?

Trion Juggy?

i put 8th day juggs at first, but then i changed it to classic.

Originally posted by Madvillain
i put 8th day juggs at first, but then i changed it to classic.

Can Mags survive a punch from Juggy?

his only hope is his shields. im assuming that a class 100 punch from Juggernaut without his shields, would more or less kill him.

I could see Juggernaut winning this one. How often does Magneto BFR an opponent? I realize this is the best of their abilities and it is an option for Mags, but that response never really makes a good fight. I have always seen Mags as a head strong kind of guy, someone who will want to actually fight it out.

mags has alot of powers he can even turn invisible by manipulationg light or something, he can also make black holes since that is part of magnatism since juggs has lost to thor by BFR he could lose to magneto by that means..........i see no other means beside that for mags to win.

stalemate

Mags can't kill or hurt Juggs...and Juggs can't reach Mags if Mags just hovers high enough

Black hole creation is a myth to me until I see a scan. The closest I've seen is Beast speculating that he could create wormholes.

Anyway, can Mags affect Juggs' armor? If he can, he wins. If not...If he's smart, likely stalemate....but I see Juggs winning more often than not.

Originally posted by Mider999
mags has alot of powers he can even turn invisible by manipulationg light or something, he can also make black holes since that is part of magnatism since juggs has lost to thor by BFR he could lose to magneto by that means..........i see no other means beside that for mags to win.

He only made a wormhole once and hes never made a blackhole and niether are apart of Magnetism

worm hole.........good enough to BFR someone thanks

Originally posted by Mider999
worm hole.........good enough to BFR someone thanks

It's a one-time feat.

lol irony

I second that.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Black hole creation is a myth to me until I see a scan. The closest I've seen is Beast speculating that he could create wormholes.

Anyway, can Mags affect Juggs' armor? If he can, he wins. If not...If he's smart, likely stalemate....but I see Juggs winning more often than not.


In a what if, Xavier had Juggs powers, Magneto tried to control him and could not

Closest thing I could think of

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It's a one-time feat.

haermm

People seem to overlook this, or they just plain don't know this, but... Magneto has telepathy.

He's shown telepathy and astral projection enough times to make me think he could get Juggs' helmet off and then mind rape him.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Black hole creation is a myth to me until I see a scan. The closest I've seen is Beast speculating that he could create wormholes.

Anyway, can Mags affect Juggs' armor? If he can, he wins. If not...If he's smart, likely stalemate....but I see Juggs winning more often than not. He created a wormhole on panel in Excalibur v3 #8.

At the end of the day Juggernaut is still very 1D, wears metal armour, and can be beaten by BFR...

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
lol irony

that he is using the board's strategem against the members who employ them?

Not really.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not really.

It WAS a one-time feat though

Originally posted by 2damnloud
It WAS a one-time feat though

That wasn't the irony. It's more of the fact that he's willing to switch to a real debating style when it suits his needs.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That wasn't the irony. It's more of the fact that he's willing to switch to a real debating style when it suits his needs.

Nope, just reversing it.

It should not be applicable in this fight.

Btw, Juggs prison rapes him

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Nope, just reversing it.

So you'll admit that the galactic core thing was a one time feat too?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So you'll admit that the galactic core thing was a one time feat too?

Not my line of thinking.

Anyway, GC was her power of manipulating space.

Wormholes don't exist and have nothing to do with Magnetism or the EM spectrum.

Back to the topic of the thread.

Magneto is dead 10/10

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Not my line of thinking.

Anyway, GC was her power of manipulating space.

Wormholes don't exist and have nothing to do with Magnetism or the EM spectrum.

Back to the topic of the thread.

Magneto is dead 10/10 Wow...

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Wow...

I know right

That's some truth for ya.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
I know right

That's some truth for ya. Nope, just stunned by your blatant hypocrisy, and ignoring feats...

"Wormholes don't exist"

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Nope, just stunned by your blatant hypocrisy, and ignoring feats...

"Wormholes don't exist"


uh, they dont

Originally posted by 2damnloud
uh, they dont Evidently in comics they do... unless you are now blind and/or stupid (nevermind the latter).

Originally posted by 2damnloud
uh, they dont

Neither does Storm, technically.

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Originally posted by 2damnloud
uh, they dont Neither does magic... is Strange now powerless?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Neither does magic... is Strange now powerless? Criss Angle?

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Criss Angle?

Wormholes do exist in comics.

It was one time feat.

If Magneto can bend time and space then he would be on the level of MJJ he is not. He does not consistenly diplay this power.

The feat defies logic and physics since it would take more energy than Magneto can ever dream of to open even the smallest wormhole, even if he did, it would not stay open or long let alone be transversable.

Juggs wins 10/10

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Wormholes do exist in comics.

It was one time feat.


The feat defies logic and physics since it would take more energy than Magneto can ever dream of to open even the smallest wormhole, even if he did, it would not stay open or long let alone be transversable. ....but he's done it.

Hooray for false dilemma and incredible irony.

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
....but he's done it.

ONCE.

He hasn't consistently done it.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Wormholes do exist in comics.

It was one time feat.

If Magneto can bend time and space then he would be on the level of MJJ. He is not

The feat defies logic and physics since it would take more energy than Magneto can ever dream of to open even the smallest wormhole, even if he did, it would not stay open or long let alone be transversable.

Juggs wins 10/10 And this is why your logic fails for Storm.

You think because someone can affect the cosmic nature, that that automatically puts them at an abstract level?

It doesn't work like that, because I can think of more than 20 people who can do this off the top of my head, and they are no where near Galactus's (let alone Mad Jim Jaspers) level.

You're just mad, because Magneto can essentially create two black holes, and connect them perfectly to align the infinite ends, so they are transversable (which ruins all arguements for Storm beating him), so no doubt you are going to argue about it.

But, your logic works, that if you argue Mag's feat, then logically, Storm's is just as much, if not more bullshit than Mag's.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
ONCE.

He hasn't consistently done it. And Storm hasn't consistently done, or ever done for that matter, the type of crap you keep alluding to. Hypocrite, much?

Originally posted by Darth Macabre
And Storm hasn't consistently done, or ever done for that matter, the type of crap you keep alluding to. Hypocrite, much?

That's exactly what he is. A hypocrite.

He has no knowledge to speak of on anything.

Oh, and Maggy just mindrapes Juggs.

Game over.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
And this is why your logic fails for Storm.

You think because someone can affect the cosmic nature, that that automatically puts them at an abstract level?

It doesn't work like that, because I can think of more than 20 people who can do this off the top of my head, and they are no where near Galactus's (let alone Mad Jim Jaspers) level.

You're just mad, because Magneto can essentially create two black holes, and connect them perfectly to align the infinite ends, so they are transversable (which ruins all arguements for Storm beating him), so no doubt you are going to argue about it.

But, your logic works, that if you argue Mag's feat, then logically, Storm's is just as much, if not more bullshit than Mag's.

Uhhh, that's not how wormholes theoretically are formed.

And the GC STILL puts her head and shoulders above him in the space respect.

Back to the topic Juggs 10/10

Originally posted by batdude123
That's exactly what he is. A hypocrite.

He has no knowledge to speak of on anything.

Oh, and Maggy just mindrapes Juggs.

Game over.

Has he ever used TP offensively?

Has he ever used TP CONSISTENTLY??

Yes and yes.

He's beaten Storm consistently. 313

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's beaten Storm consistently. 313

Also true. 313

Has he used it against Juggernaut consistently and effectively??

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Has he used it against Juggernaut consistently and effectively??

When the f*ck have these two ever fought in 616 continuity? Such a shitty excuse for what you call "debating."

Damn, I feel dumber for simply reading this post.

He's beaten Jean Grey on through astral projection who's beaten Juggernaut telepathically before.

Has Storm ever beaten Batman before consistently? No, however that wouldn't stop anyone from saying she pwns Batman in a straight up fight.

Quit being such a damn Magneto hater. Get over the fact that he's kicked the crap out of Storm everytime they've fought.

Originally posted by batdude123
When the f*ck have these two ever fought in 616 continuity? Such a shitty excuse for what you call "debating."

Damn, I feel dumber for simply reading this post.

He's beaten Jean Grey on through astral projection who's beaten Juggernaut telepathically before.

Has Storm ever beaten Batman before consistently? No, however that wouldn't stop anyone from saying she pwns Batman in a straight up fight.

Quit being such a damn Magneto hater. Get over the fact that he's kicked the crap out of Storm everytime they've fought.

Just answer the question??

When has Magneto ever demonstrated TP on a level high enough to mess up Juggs?

Besides if Juggs keeps his forcefield up, there ain't a damn thing Magneto can do.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Uhhh, that's not how wormholes theoretically are formed.

And the GC STILL puts her head and shoulders above him in the space respect.

Back to the topic Juggs 10/10 I'm using one theory I heard.
Your theories don't blot out my theories, because that's what they are... "theories".

Another one is a black hole, and a white hole connected.
Still... a lot of f*cking power.

And yet, it was a one time feat...

You base this off of... a baseless start, and Magneto hate?
Ha...

Just something for everyone to notice:
Juggernaut has used his shield, what, three times in comics?
Two of those three times have his shield being the source of his duribility.
So, if Juggernaut does indeed have his shield (which will most likely be brought up), then people are also admitting that Juggernaut can be KO'ed without it (as Thor had him dazed, and was about to put him down).
Not really relevent now, but just pointing out...

Anyway, Mags rips his helmet off and mindrapes him...
Actually, it could go either way.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Just answer the question??

They've never fought each other in 616 continuity, dumbshit.

I could just as easily use your own logic and say that since Juggernaut has never physically hurt Magneto, punches would be useless against him.

Quit the logical fallacies, kid. What's funny is that you think you're making a valid point, but can't see the shit logic behind it.

Has Storm ever used lightning on Captain America consistently and effectively?

Please answer the question.

Your "logic" sucks.

Originally posted by masterbruce
When has Magneto ever demonstrated TP on a level high enough to mess up Juggs?

Besides if Juggs keeps his forcefield up, there ain't a damn thing Magneto can do.

Pffffft. Psylocke has mentally raped Juggernaut straight THROUGH the helmet and Magneto has pwned someone telepathically who's more powerful than her.

Cain gets beat in this fight. Whether it's BFR or mind rapage.

Isn't Jugg's helmet made of metal?

N'uff Said

We can't be sure Magneto can do the wormhole again.

Originally posted by 2damnloud
We can't be sure Magneto can do the wormhole again. Funny you should mention this...
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/8900/excaliburv3112005page07dp9.th.jpg

Originally posted by batdude123
That's exactly what he is. A hypocrite.

He has no knowledge to speak of on anything.

Oh, and Maggy just mindrapes Juggs.

Game over.

Mags does not mindrape Juggernaut. Juggernaut on more than one occasion has fought through a psychics powers out of rage, his rage kept him going.

Mags can fly all he wants, but Juggernaut could Thunderclap and bring him down. When Juggernaut fought Nightmare he used spells to shrink him and bring him to himself. I don't think he lost the powers but they were just forgotten. Correct me if I am wrong. Juggernaut also has great jumping abilities.

Juggernaut could also grab Mags when he gets in close. Magneto is not that fast, and Juggernaut has proven to be quick. He snared Angel out of the air surprising both Warren and Cyclops.

Juggernaut can return under his own power, so BFR isn't an option for Magneto.

Juggernaut's shield isn't the source of his durability. He took a planet ripping blast from Cyclops to the chest and laughed. Next issue he and Black Tom were falling from a plane. Cain held Tom close enough so the shield would take the impact. The shield would have to be more then 2 feet away from his body which it was shown in the Spider-man and Thor comics.

Juggernaut has a lot at his disposal, since he is at his best even if he only showed a feat once or twice.

He can be BFRed. And even if he can return the amount of time taken to return required is sufficient to deem it a win for Magneto.

One time feats suck btw.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He can be BFRed. And even if he can return the amount of time taken to return required is sufficient to deem it a win for Magneto.

One time feats suck btw.

I only posted those because others have posted Mags creating Worm Holes and using telepathy.

I'm not really considering that in giving Magneto the win. I'm considering that Juggernaut probably weighs like a million times less than Asteroid M, if even that, and wears metal armour.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not really considering that in giving Magneto the win. I'm considering that Juggernaut probably weighs like a million times less than Asteroid M, if even that, and wears metal armour.

Magneto will probably try and effect his armor while Juggernaut is in motion, basically Mags is wasting his energy.

How does Magneto have Telepathy anyway?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
How does Magneto have Telepathy anyway?

He doesn't.

He doesn't use it consistently enough.

He can't just make a wormhole when he gets ready. If he could harness that much power, he'd be farther up the food chain than he is.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I'm not really considering that in giving Magneto the win. I'm considering that Juggernaut probably weighs like a million times less than Asteroid M, if even that, and wears metal armour. You know Cain's armor has already resisted someone Stonecutter who can effect things like armor. In the scan it even says that his armor is part of his power and it does not falter.

So I don't see Mags really effecting Cain's armor like people are trying to say.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
How does Magneto have Telepathy anyway?

Latent Telepathy
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6831/secretwars00513ct8.th.jpghttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7660/secretwars00514tu6.th.jpg

Astral Projection
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4841/ucxm00604bd2.th.jpghttp://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9981/ucxm00605uf6.th.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9188/ucxm00606us4.th.jpghttp://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4846/ucxm00607bi6.th.jpg

Xavier communicating with Magneto on the Astral Plane...
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/515/xmen0409vj2.th.jpghttp://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1060/xmen0410mb2.th.jpg

Here's a scan where he can sense Xaviers mental emanations in his mind....
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6836/xmen0412ab8.th.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/6070/hy01pg311qk.th.jpghttp://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3669/hy01pg322cu.th.jpghttp://img252.imageshack.us/img252/4727/hy02pg120tg.th.jpghttp://img252.imageshack.us/img252/3439/hy3pg060zo.th.jpghttp://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6066/hy3pg073ge.th.jpghttp://img249.imageshack.us/img249/6412/hy3pg089lw.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/5072/hy3pg093dk.th.jpghttp://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4097/hy3pg130cn.th.jpghttp://img263.imageshack.us/img263/3803/hy3pg142zp.th.jpghttp://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4553/hy3pg220vm.th.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/4532/hy04pg011vs.th.jpghttp://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5559/hy04pg026mm.th.jpghttp://img258.imageshack.us/img258/9934/hy04pg039ay.th.jpghttp://img258.imageshack.us/img258/5180/hy04pg043ze.th.jpghttp://img463.imageshack.us/img463/4848/hy04pg076mj.th.jpghttp://img463.imageshack.us/img463/660/hy04pg098kj.th.jpghttp://img246.imageshack.us/img246/2137/hy04pg104xj.th.jpg

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1174/uncannyxmen007pg08wv9.th.jpghttp://img109.imageshack.us/img109/8620/masterworks07152mf6.th.jpg

Originally posted by Newjak
You know Cain's armor has already resisted someone Stonecutter who can effect things like armor. In the scan it even says that his armor is part of his power and it does not falter.

So I don't see Mags really effecting Cain's armor like people are trying to say. 15x reactions and the power to do this:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/350/61vr6.th.jpg
to Asteroid M
vs a metal helmet that has been removed countless times.
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Originally posted by xmarksthespot
15x reactions and the power to do this:
http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/350/61vr6.th.jpg
to Asteroid M
vs a metal helmet that has been removed countless times.
313

IRRC Hasn't Marvel Girl Jean lifted Juggernaut off the ground with her TK?

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm01303um7.jpg
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=xmen104611kk8.jpg
http://img151.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ucxm01316fo8.jpg

But then again not sure if it'll work if he gets his force-field up.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7594/xmen103217ma2.jpg

The forcefield he's used 4 or 5 times in 40 years?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The forcefield he's used 4 or 5 times in 40 years?

Good point

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Latent Telepathy
http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/6831/secretwars00513ct8.th.jpghttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7660/secretwars00514tu6.th.jpg

Astral Projection
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/4841/ucxm00604bd2.th.jpghttp://img161.imageshack.us/img161/9981/ucxm00605uf6.th.jpg
http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/9188/ucxm00606us4.th.jpghttp://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4846/ucxm00607bi6.th.jpg

Xavier communicating with Magneto on the Astral Plane...
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/515/xmen0409vj2.th.jpghttp://img110.imageshack.us/img110/1060/xmen0410mb2.th.jpg

Here's a scan where he can sense Xaviers mental emanations in his mind....
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6836/xmen0412ab8.th.jpg

This says nothing about mind raping Juggernaut or even offensive telepathic capabilities.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The forcefield he's used 4 or 5 times in 40 years?

BTW I found a scan you may like I'll PM it to you, also decided to take a leaf out of grey fox's book:

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/8214/untitledvk0.th.jpg

What a pretty picture.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The forcefield he's used 4 or 5 times in 40 years? Actually you would be surprised how many times it gets mentioned X

I already told you that didn't I

Originally posted by Newjak
Actually you would be surprised how many times it gets mentioned X

I already told you that didn't I The amount of times it gets mentioned on KMC per Juggernaut thread greatly exceeds the amount of times it's been mentioned in comics. 131

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The amount of times it gets mentioned on KMC per Juggernaut thread greatly exceeds the amount of times it's been mentioned in comics. 131 You'd be surprised

For god sake his armor isn't metal it's magic.Which doesn't matter because he Juggs wants to move there is nothing maga can do and if he doesn't want to move then he doesn't.