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How this goes?

every universe in the vicinty loses
though i have no idea who would win lol

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How this goes?

A Cosmic Containment Unit is a "Minute Bit" of Energy from the Beyonders.

An In-Complete CCU Erased and Re-Created the Marvel Omniverse,

several times over.


Is it safe to assume that the Beyonders can erase the Omniverse

with less than a gesture?




Now IMO, the Brothers were meant to be the Marvel and DC Omniverse,

they did a shit job in getting that message across but for all intent and purposes that's what Marvel and DC had in mind.

IMO and evidently the Brothers were NOT TOAA and Presence.


Just like Eternity embodies the Multiverse,

the Brothers embodied the Two Realities,

but neither are or were the Supreme Beings.



So what does this leave us with?

An In-complete CCU ERASED and REMADE the whole Marvel Omniverse,

that would be a TINY Fraction of the Beyonders Erasing One Brother.



You be the judge.

Then again the Beyonders along with ALL the other Cosmics that were left out probably did not exist in this enclosed Reality called Marvel vs DC.


After all,

the struggle supposedly involved all of DC and Marvel,

and yet ALL of Marvel's and DC's Cosmics and Divine characters

went missing in this Arc.


So it's possible that the Brothers WERE the Supreme Beings,

because no one else existed in that specific story that could challenge them.


Except of course for LT and Spectre

who Merged them and nearly destroyed them both.

Or perhaps the struggle was just below the notice of the really powerful cosmics so they didn't care to interfere

Originally posted by Mr Master
A Cosmic Containment Unit is a "Minute Bit" of Energy from the Beyonders.

An In-Complete CCU Erased and Re-Created the Marvel Omniverse,

several times over.


Is it safe to assume that the Beyonders can erase the Omniverse

with less than a gesture?




Now IMO, the Brothers were meant to be the Marvel and DC Omniverse,

they did a shit job in getting that message across but for all intent and purposes that's what Marvel and DC had in mind.

IMO and evidently the Brothers were NOT TOAA and Presence.


Just like Eternity embodies the Multiverse,

the Brothers embodied the Two Realities,

but neither are or were the Supreme Beings.



So what does this leave us with?

An In-complete CCU ERASED and REMADE the whole Marvel Omniverse,

that would be a TINY Fraction of the Beyonders Erasing One Brother.



You be the judge.
Just because you doenst like something doenst make it wrong.
The Brothers were not just creation, they were everything.
In a fight, the Beyonders would be a part of them, there is nothing they can do.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Except of course for LT and Spectre

who Merged them and nearly destroyed them both.
We talked about this in the thread, I asked where it was stated that the Brothers would be obliterated, and you didn't reply.
I read through the comics myself once again, and I looked up sentence after sentence.
Nowhere was it stated that the Brothers would be obliterated, nowhere.

The scan you posted said that the universes would be obliterated if Access dint gave them the power of the Amalgam.

When the Brothers merged (or forced together) the Amalgam was created. The Amalgam was neithers (since both had created it) and Access granted the cosmic guardians access to this new power source, just so they could separate the universes without destroying them.

But after the Amalgam, there were nothing the Living tribunal and Spectre could do to them.

But in the end the Brothers destroyed it anyways.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
How this goes?

Beyonders made the cube beings. Pre Brothers were awesome. Post Brothers, well we all know who they work for. Pre=Before. Post=After. This is my favorite scene from the book
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w17/guy222_photos/DCvsMarvel03-p38.jpg

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Or perhaps the struggle was just below the notice of the really powerful cosmics so they didn't care to interfere

This sounds about right.

The problem is LT interfered, and he's Second in Marvel.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Just because you doenst like something doenst make it wrong.

Who said it was wrong?


Did you miss the "IMO" part of My post.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The Brothers were not just creation, they were everything.

In Canon Marvel, On Panel the Infinity Being was Everything.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
In a fight, the Beyonders would be a part of them, there is nothing they can do.

The Beyonders are obviously FAR beyond the Omniverse my friend.

A Tiny Fraction of their Power,

can Erase and Re-Create the Omniverse over and over, (On Panel)

so imagine the Full Power of the Beyonders.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Did you miss the "IMO" part of My post.
... Obviously ...


Yeah, well, if we use the pre-retconned versions, we have to use pre-retconned feats, thus non canon, not that it was canon in the first placew but anyways.


Yeah I've read that, but you miss the point.
The Brothers were evreything, not only a omniverse, they would be the ascension as well (of both Marvel and DC)

If they were as powerful as stated, there would be no force that could compete with them.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
We talked about this in the thread, I asked where it was stated that the Brothers would be obliterated, and you didn't reply.

After replying dozens of times I gave up.

When Access said the "Universes were about to be Obliterated"

he meant the Brothers, who WERE "the Universes."


I mean who the heck was Merged?

The Brothers.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
I read through the comics myself once again, and I looked up sentence after sentence.
Nowhere was it stated that the Brothers would be obliterated, nowhere.

That's because you're looking for the term "Brothers," which you will not find,

but anyone who reads the relevant issue would know what Access meant when he said "UniverseS."


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
The scan you posted said that the universes would be obliterated if Access dint gave them the power of the Amalgam.

Yes, but Access didn't have the power of the Amalgam.

Access had Two "Shards" of the Original Brothers, (before the amalgamation)

which is One Fraction of each Brother.


Still evidently it was enough to help LT and Spectre

separate the Brothers without Obliterating them both.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
When the Brothers merged (or forced together) the Amalgam was created. The Amalgam was neithers (since both had created it) and Access granted the cosmic guardians access to this new power source, just so they could separate the universes without destroying them.

Again,

Access had two Shards from the Original Brothers BEFORE the amalgamation,

so I have to disagree.


But Access did help LT and SPectre separate the Brothers safely,

but with Power from the Original Brothers.


Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
But after the Amalgam, there were nothing the Living tribunal and Spectre could do to them.

Well I mean that was part of the story,

for the Two Universes to become friends and live happily ever after.


I think it was enough with both Companies showing us

LT and Spectre not only Merging the Brothers,

in other words WARPING the shit out of them,

but they nearly inadvertantly obliterated them at that..



I would supposed this was Marvel and DC telling us,

"This is NOT TOAA and the Presence" (just some Non-Canon fairytale)

Originally posted by Mr Master
After replying dozens of times I gave up.

When Access said the "Universes were about to be Obliterated"

he meant the Brothers, who WERE "the Universes."


I mean who the heck was Merged?

The Brothers.
The Brothers were merged but so where the universes.
Could the Brothers exist even though the universes were obliterated? - Yes, it was even stated.


The universes and the Brothers are two separate things, the universes is like everything else is, just an aspect of the Brothers, they can live without it.


Yes, he had a portion of the Brothers powers, and it was that that was used so the cosmic guardians would separatre the universe so it wouldent be destroyed.
They used a bit of the Brothers power against themselves, but when they had non left, there were nothing they could do to the Brothers.


Point is, it was a portion of the Brothers power.


Yes, because the Living Tribunal and Spectre's power, like anything else wasnt anything compared to the Brothers, they had to fight fire with fire.




The two universes were also destroyed and recreated over and over again, but the Brothers were never killed.


No, no, no ... The Brothers would live on.


I would supposed this was Marvel and DC telling us,


No, they told us, these are the supreme beings of our respective company, there is noone above them.

As you wish.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.
It was stated in their bio, that:
"Once before they come together in battle, unleashin forces that ended and began all creation over again."

And in the end when the Brothers sword's collide it ended all.
They still lived on and accepted to coexist, and of course, they remade everything again.

When you prove otherwise, then, only then will I belive you.

Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
It was stated in their bio, that:
"Once before they come together in battle, unleashin forces that ended and began all creation over again."

And in the end when the Brothers sword's collide it ended all.
They still lived on and accepted to coexist, and of course, they remade everything again.

When you prove otherwise, then, only then will I belive you.

Originally posted by Mr Master
As you wish.