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Adam Warlock
(any version except for IG)



vs.


Orion

Originally posted by the Darkone
Adam Warlock
(any version except for IG)



vs.


Orion

aw

w/Motherbox, Orion has more raw power. But I can't get the whuppin' Surfer put on Orion out of my head, and Warlock is definitely capable of winning quite a few.

I used to think Orion was, say, >> Superman. But I guess he's jobbed a few times recently, so who knows.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
w/Motherbox, Orion has more raw power. But I can't get the whuppin' Surfer put on Orion out of my head, and Warlock is definitely capable of winning quite a few.

I used to think Orion was, say, >> Superman. But I guess he's jobbed a few times recently, so who knows. I take it you mean when he ran into the powered up Kalibak in Firestorm?

Other than that, he hasn't really.

Firestorm was doing decent against him for a moment, but all he was doing was slowing Orion down.. Firestorm batted him away, he came back and picked up a giant arch, Firestorm turned it to lead, the sudden increase in wieght made Orion struggle for a moment, during that time, Firestorm encased him... then Orion broke out, and started beating ass again.

He struggled a little against one of the Furies too, but given that the Furies also smacked up Wonder Woman and Barda at the same time, it's certainly not all that far fetched.

Through the course of that arc, Kalibak with a new powerup for Darkseid is the only thing that has truly downed him.

SOUL SUCK!

Ah, good fight.

No soul suck, check out new gods v1 23. All new gods' souls are protected by...guess who...the ****ing source. They also can't be mentally ****ed either (although it seemed to happen once but was later retconned)

Intelligence goes to AW
Strength goes to Orion
Speed Orion
Skill Orion
Durability Orion
Raw power Orion (astro-force stalemated a universe destroying blast. "just a small burst can shatter worlds!"

That's the thing with Orion, he's hard to pin down because he's not popular. But, I 100% believe Orion could one shot Adam with the AF. KDAI. And nothing AW has can break the guy's forcefield.

He's the shit people...well, maybe not lately. Check out Red Orion. AWESOME!

Oh yeah, the Mother Box is just a step below mjolnir, it can actually suck people's energy away from them and such. Of course, Orion would be as strong and pissed as Savage Hulk if he used it that way, but he wouldn't become stupid like Hulk. Just nuts.

Well.....he IS Darkseid's kid and the guy destined to kill him.

i think he's destined to take darkseids place

Let's not forget the damned MOTHER BOX! He'll, I don't even call it a many mjolnir. That shit can do anything.

I'm tired of people saying the motherbox keeps Orion's rage because when he's raged he's stupid. But that's not the cage, he just as smart but 5x stronger, doesn't tire and all that.smart. The REAL reason he uses the MB for that is becaus he'd probably kill his own teammates.

Originally posted by long pig
Intelligence goes to AW
Strength goes to Orion
Speed Orion
Skill Orion
Durability Orion

Warlock has gone toe to toe with Drax.

He played around with Gamora blocking her attacks.


But this is a golden:



Warlock traveling through an Un-Reality RIFT:


This isn't a black hole, this the Reality Gem ripping Reality itself apart, left unchecked the entire Universe would have been warped into madness.

Even Thanos was Unable to resist this Rift, but Warlock went right into it and recovered the Reality Gem from the center of the RIFT.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7577/d1xh2.th.jpg


This is an amazing feat,

enjoy!


http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3304/d2pr5.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4314/d3li7.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7940/d4df1.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5827/d5zz3.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8420/d6xa1.th.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4583/d7jx0.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6017/d8tu5.th.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3538/d9rs7.th.jpg


Like I said,

even Thanos wasn't able to resist this RIFT:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4903/d10km0.th.jpg


Warlock's durability is no joke

Originally posted by Mr Master
Warlock has gone toe to toe with Drax.

He played around with Gamora blocking her attacks.


But this is a golden:



Warlock traveling through an Un-Reality RIFT:


This isn't a black hole, this the Reality Gem ripping Reality itself apart, left unchecked the entire Universe would have been warped into madness.

Even Thanos was Unable to resist this Rift, but Warlock went right into it and recovered the Reality Gem from the center of the RIFT.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7577/d1xh2.th.jpg


This is an amazing feat,

enjoy!


http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3304/d2pr5.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4314/d3li7.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7940/d4df1.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5827/d5zz3.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8420/d6xa1.th.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4583/d7jx0.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6017/d8tu5.th.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3538/d9rs7.th.jpg


Like I said,

even Thanos wasn't able to resist this RIFT:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4903/d10km0.th.jpg


Warlock's durability is no joke
His durability is his greatest power imo, but Orion's is better.

Orion already has superman type durability AND he has unbreakable shields.

That leads me to believe Orion is more durable. Well, too durable since he's naturally so durable yet still uses a force field.


hehhe about drax and gamora, he'd beat 'em both at the same time. Probably one shot 'em. Orion beat the greatest martial artist in the universe in hand to hand. Orion is probably the best fighter in D.C (but of course they would never say so).

Originally posted by long pig
His durability is his greatest power imo, but Orion's is better.

Orion already has superman type durability AND he has unbreakable shields.

That leads me to believe Orion is more durable. Well, too durable since he's naturally so durable yet still uses a force field.

I don't know much about Orion.

That's why I have no opinion on who wins,


But Warlock resisted something Thanos and Reality itself (Eternity/Infinity) could not.

I just wanted to put that out there in Warlock's defense.

Best fighter in DC is Val Amorr, the Karate Kid.

Oh, and those scans? What the hell?

Dr.Strange goes through that same type of mental/reality crap every time he crosses into the dread dimension or IB's dimension. That wasn't a durability feat at all.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't know much about Orion.

That's why I have no opinion on who wins,


But Warlock resisted something Thanos and Reality itself (Eternity/Infinity) could not.

I just wanted to put that out there in Warlock's defense.
Maybe I just don't get it. I didn't understand what those scans meant. Looked to me he was in the madness dimension.

Originally posted by long pig
Oh, and those scans? What the hell?

Dr.Strange goes through that same type of mental/reality crap every time he crosses into the dread dimension or IB's dimension. That wasn't a durability feat at all.

Really, show me.

Show me Strange going through an Un-Reality rift.

Originally posted by long pig
Maybe I just don't get it. I didn't understand what those scans meant. Looked to me he was in the madness dimension.

Not at all friend,

Reality was twisting & bending in all forms,

Thanos along with everyone else was incapacitated while Warlock did his thing.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Best fighter in DC is Val Amorr, the Karate Kid.
You'd be suprised. Read Orion's series.

He's touted as the best in the galaxy. So, I dunno.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Really, show me.

Show me Strange going through an Un-Reality rift.
What is an unreality rift? I'm lost.

I can show you Strange going through certain dimensions where he's stretched for a long way and twisted and all that mess. It was most certainly happening to him because the owner of the dimension was doing it to him. I think the IB did it to him too.

Originally posted by long pig
What is an unreality rift? I'm lost.

The scans speak for themselves.

Clearly described.

Originally posted by long pig
I can show you Strange going through certain dimensions where he's stretched for a long way and twisted and all that mess. It was most certainly happening to him because the owner of the dimension was doing it to him.

This Un-Reality Rift wasn't just twisting Warlock but All Reality around.

Ok, sounds cool. Don't know how it's a durability feat, but sure, it's neat.

AW beat down Drax, took a blast from Galactus and wasn't even phased, stalemated Hulk. AW choke out Silver Surfer like a hoe, speed don't sleep on AW even Thanos respects AW a lot.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Warlock has gone toe to toe with Drax.

He played around with Gamora blocking her attacks.


But this is a golden:



Warlock traveling through an Un-Reality RIFT:


This isn't a black hole, this the Reality Gem ripping Reality itself apart, left unchecked the entire Universe would have been warped into madness.

Even Thanos was Unable to resist this Rift, but Warlock went right into it and recovered the Reality Gem from the center of the RIFT.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/7577/d1xh2.th.jpg


This is an amazing feat,

enjoy!


http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/3304/d2pr5.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/4314/d3li7.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7940/d4df1.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/5827/d5zz3.th.jpg

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8420/d6xa1.th.jpg

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/4583/d7jx0.th.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6017/d8tu5.th.jpg

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/3538/d9rs7.th.jpg


Like I said,

even Thanos wasn't able to resist this RIFT:

http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/4903/d10km0.th.jpg


Warlock's durability is no joke Issue #?

Originally posted by the Darkone
AW beat down Drax, took a blast from Galactus and wasn't even phased, stalemated Hulk. AW choke out Silver Surfer like a hoe, speed don't sleep on AW even Thanos respects AW a lot.

He teleported out of the way of Big G's blast. And Surfer is still > Warlock in raw power.

Also, I've read the issue Master posted. It's a touch misleading because it has as much to do with Warlock's "special sense of reality" as his durability.....but he at least has the black hole feat to his name.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
He teleported out of the way of Big G's blast.

not to mention that the blast was practically point blank...

superhuman reflexes...

Well, Orion took an omega blast. That's pretty tough.

Originally posted by long pig
Well, Orion took an omega blast. That's pretty tough.
Superman took like 100 of them...

Originally posted by Skeets
Superman took like 100 of them...

Good god, do not start that shit in here. Or I will scan-blitz your ass. Superman cannot take the OE, that is a forum myth. And Jeph Loeb's story is crap and should not be trusted.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Good god, do not start that shit in here. Or I will scan-blitz your ass. Superman cannot take the OE, that is a forum myth. And Jeph Loeb's story is crap and should not be trusted.
shocklaughForum Myth? but it happend in the book...shocklaugh

I'm gonna scan-blitz your ass tomorrow...... vin

The book from Jeph 'Onslaught Reborn' Loeb? shocklaugh

It still happened....shocklaugh

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also, I've read the issue Master posted. It's a touch misleading because it has as much to do with Warlock's "special sense of reality" as his durability

"special sense of reality?" (Where is this mentioned?)

I have to disagree.


Actually the only reason Warlock was able to navigate through the Rift,

was because he used the Soul Gem to locate Thanos' Spirit.

Other than that it was ALL Durability.

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9715/w1hs3.th.jpg
"Utter UN-Reality"


How can his "special sense of reality" make a difference,

when Warlock was inside "Utter UN-Reality?"






Also,

Warlock himself said,

"I had No Idea it would be like this"

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1346/w2fz4.th.jpg


Originally posted by DigiMark007
.....but he at least has the black hole feat to his name.

It wasn't a black hole friend,

it was an Un-Reality Rift caused by the Infinity Gem of Reality.

A black hole is a cake walk in comparison.

AW

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm gonna scan-blitz your ass tomorrow...... vin

The book from Jeph 'Onslaught Reborn' Loeb? shocklaugh

SCAN-BLITZ

AW ftw.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm gonna scan-blitz your ass tomorrow...... vin

The book from Jeph 'Onslaught Reborn' Loeb? shocklaugh

We're still waiting.

Superman's taken the OE several times in canon - under more than just Loeb.

adam

AW, i know Orion is a mad power house but Its gonna take more to beat AW.

Originally posted by Soljer
We're still waiting.

Superman's taken the OE several times in canon - under more than just Loeb. Good point. The Loeb excuse really fell flat didnt it?

Which puts Superman at a much higher level than many would admit. And I'm almost certain the Source is protecting him.

2nd, what does Adam have that can put Orion down? He's got an insane healing factor and mad durability. so he can outlast adam at the very least. As LP said, soul suck is out. Karmic blast might mess him up abit, assuming it works on him or gets past his shields. Has he used it on anyone with a good healing factor? Brawling is suicide for Adam. Speed's an non issue. BFR?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Which puts Superman at a much higher level than many would admit. And I'm almost certain the Source is protecting him.

2nd, what does Adam have that can put Orion down? He's got an insane healing factor and mad durability. so he can outlast adam at the very least. As LP said, soul suck is out. Karmic blast might mess him up abit, assuming it works on him or gets past his shields. Has he used it on anyone with a good healing factor? Brawling is suicide for Adam. Speed's an non issue. BFR? Superman isnt at a higher level its just Darkseid is at a lower level. If what you said was true then Supes would be able to defeat Orion which he hasnt thus far.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=466263&pagenumber=2

At the bottom of the page. This is with nver the guy who was clearly dc biased. I njoyed his antics as they were entertaining even though he was usually wrong.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Superman isnt at a higher level its just Darkseid is at a lower level. If what you said was true then Supes would be able to defeat Orion which he hasnt thus far.

Go away, Troll. The adults are talking. doped Shoo.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Go away, Troll. The adults are talking. doped Shoo. I responded to your post,but I guess you dont have a response to mine.

I come in expecting Warlock Orion and get DS bullcrap. Take it elsewhere guys. You've sidetracked enough threads as it is.

I don't talk to trolls. I'm talking to Digi and the other reasonable posters, not the biggest marvel biased fanboy/troll on the forum.

Edit: Digi, I didn't start this one. I never even brought up Darkseid. I asked a few reasonable questions. THIS GUY, brought DS and the usual DC bashing.

K.

Dang. And I missed a chance to get into it with Mr. Master almost a year ago over some Warlock scans. What a disappointing realization.

I responded to tricks post.

As to who wins this Warlock.

Hey Digi, can you answer the questions on the previous page?

Trick, Quan didn't do anything to be called names. Either put him on ignore or be civil. Thanks.

Adam prevails

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
2nd, what does Adam have that can put Orion down? He's got an insane healing factor and mad durability. so he can outlast adam at the very least. As LP said, soul suck is out. Karmic blast might mess him up abit, assuming it works on him or gets past his shields. Has he used it on anyone with a good healing factor? Brawling is suicide for Adam. Speed's an non issue. BFR?

why is brawling for Adam suicide?...

he's laid the smackdown on classic Drax, Thanos clones, Nobilus, Gamora et al and won...

he stormed Asgard and took Sif in front of Odin and Thor, which takes balls, and IIRC, Thor had to revert to warriors madness to defeat Adam...

Adam can hang with the big guys in a straight up fight, and through skill, has taken down opponents far more stronger than him...

and the karmic blast is more effective against someone with a fragile psyche...

Adam could definitely win some in this fight...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
why is brawling for Adam suicide?...

he's laid the smackdown on classic Drax, Thanos clones, Nobilus, Gamora et al and won...

he stormed Asgard and took Sif in front of Odin and Thor, which takes balls, and IIRC, Thor had to revert to warriors madness to defeat Adam...

Adam can hang with the big guys in a straight up fight, and through skill, has taken down opponents far more stronger than him...

and the karmic blast is more effective against someone with a fragile psyche...

Adam could definitely win some in this fight... Exactly. Saying Adam gets killed in a brawl is completely ignorant.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
why is brawling for Adam suicide?...

he's laid the smackdown on classic Drax, Thanos clones, Nobilus, Gamora et al and won...

he stormed Asgard and took Sif in front of Odin and Thor, which takes balls, and IIRC, Thor had to revert to warriors madness to defeat Adam...

Adam can hang with the big guys in a straight up fight, and through skill, has taken down opponents far more stronger than him...

and the karmic blast is more effective against someone with a fragile psyche...

Adam could definitely win some in this fight...

Orion is worse than any of those guys in a brawl. Fragile psyche? Actually, his psyche is very strong, given that he holds himself back so much to prevent his inner rage from hitting the wrong targets.

I don't doubt Adam can win, but I'd like Digi to fill me in more on him and things like the Karmic Blast.

Originally posted by Badabing
Trick, Quan didn't do anything to be called names. Either put him on ignore or be civil. Thanks.

Stop talking to your buddy Quanchi on MSN.

Biased bastard.

YOU WANT SOME OF THIS? durbeware

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Orion is worse than any of those guys in a brawl. Fragile psyche? Actually, his psyche is very strong, given that he holds himself back so much to prevent his inner rage from hitting the wrong targets.

I don't doubt Adam can win, but I'd like Digi to fill me in more on him and things like the Karmic Blast.

just pointing out that it would'nt be suicide for Adam if Orion engages Adam in a brawl like you said...

not that it's his primary offense anyway, but he can hold himself long enough to seek and exploit Orion's weakness...

Adam wins some, but definitely not through straight up mano a mano...

oh and classic pre - IG Drax > = Orion...

has the soul gem ever worked on thor? that would be a good way to determine if it will work on orion.

the soul gem will work...

or do you mean soul rip?...

because the soul gem isn't just capable of soul ripping...

orion seems to have the greater lvl of dmg output.
he is the better fighter.
he has the better durability and healing ability.
he's more skilled.
faster reflexes.

how can adamworlock win this?

Originally posted by fangirl101
orion seems to have the greater lvl of dmg output.
he is the better fighter.
he has the better durability and healing ability.
he's more skilled.
faster reflexes.

how can adamworlock win this?

Orion has been thrashed by people who were less stronger, less durable, yadi yadi yah...

SoOoOoOUuUuLLL RiiiiiiiiiiiippP!!

Originally posted by fangirl101
orion seems to have the greater lvl of dmg output.
he is the better fighter.
he has the better durability and healing ability.
he's more skilled.
faster reflexes.

how can adamworlock win this? It seems you should have my name.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Orion has been thrashed by people who were less stronger, less durable, yadi yadi yah...

SoOoOoOUuUuLLL RiiiiiiiiiiiippP!!
name them. did he have his af with him? his mother box? please, tell me, who were these people who trashed him while he was in his full glory?

Kalibak for one, and Firestorm who is definitely less stronger and durable than Orion...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Kalibak for one, and Firestorm who is definitely less stronger and durable than Orion...

kalibak had an upgrade. he's as strong as superman, darksied, etc. and kalibak has his own psy version of the oe. orion also didn't have a mother box or the af in that fight. firestorm is extremely powerful. he could beat most any top tiers at some point. maybe not for majority, but he can almost always get some wins.

Kalibak and Firestorm are embarrassing losses. This one is close as well with Adam W. prevailing

AW is gonna rock this kid

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
Kalibak for one, Whom was mega-amped by Darkseid at the time.

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
and Firestorm who is definitely less stronger and durable than Orion... Arguable. FS was throwing fisticuffs with the amped Kalibak , that very same issue.

But what does brute strength really matter when you're one of the most versatile characters in comics? And it was versatility which allowed FS to own Orion like a child.

Originally posted by Galan007
And it was versatility which allowed FS to own Orion like a child.

indeed, not his strength and durability...

Originally posted by draxx_tOfU
indeed, not his strength and durability... FS did, however, physically brawl with Kalibak for a short while, and faired much better than Orion. A testament to his strength/durability.

Originally posted by Galan007
FS did, however, physically brawl with Kalibak for a short while, and faired much better than Orion. A testament to his strength/durability.

but still not up there with Orion's...



who here is downplaying Firestorm's S/D anyway?...

ME!! ... um what are we talking about ? anyway AW ftw

bump

orion.

Dog of war ftw.

Most of the feats of the Magus are just an analog for what happens when Adam losses control and fights like a total bastard. Adam not being a nice guy can basically generate or tap into more power than Orion can ever dream off. See Adam pulling a quantum to basically tap a pocket universe...

orion.

On average, I'll go with Orion.