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Who would win?

Yoda take this

Yeah, right. I'd pick the guy who can casually move an entire fricking moon over an old midget who struggled doing the same with something a gazillion times less heavy (the crane at the end of AotC, after his duel with Dooku, which Yoda struggled with lifting).

I think Yoda is overall better than Bane.

Yeah, I'm not seeing why. I'm actually guessing someone of Bane's strength could likely just use the force to crush Yoda's brittle body on the spot. Or, alternatively, he could just conjure up a storm of force lightning (which, as far as we know, Yoda can't defend against), and fry Yoda like a b1tch.

I think Yoda can beat Bane. Although Bane is much more stronger. Yoda should be able call upon all of his power to defeat him.

Yoda is one of the best Jedi there has been. I can say in a saber match he crushes Bane. And you're just sayin nonsense. By your logic, ROTS Sidious also loses to Bane, because Yoda and ROTS Sidious are considered equals.

Yoda is "the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness has ever faced," and Sidious' equal. Sidious is Bane's clear superior. Yoda has this.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Or, alternatively, he could just conjure up a storm of force lightning (which, as far as we know, Yoda can't defend against), and fry Yoda like a b1tch.

You're basically saying anyone who uses Force storm beats yoda easily... and that's just not true

Yoda.

Originally posted by Riverollv
Yoda is one of the best Jedi there has been. I can say in a saber match he crushes Bane.

You could say that, but it would be unsupproted.



And my logic would be correct. Bane would comfortably beat any PT force user.



You're right, that's exactly what I'm saying, because it's the truth.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, I'm not seeing why. I'm actually guessing someone of Bane's strength could likely just use the force to crush Yoda's brittle body on the spot. Or, alternatively, he could just conjure up a storm of force lightning (which, as far as we know, Yoda can't defend against), and fry Yoda like a b1tch.

Yoda can deflect Force Lighting. Yoda > Bane

He can deflect single strands of force lightning. However he can't deflect storms of force lightning, given that they encompass an area too large for either his saber or his hands to contain.

You're a moron, BaneHumper.

Yoda wins. Easy.

Bane didn't move a moon,either. Invalid story, never proven

Only Apollo Cloud thinks Bane would win.

And tries to tear down my truth arguments

I sort of stopped listening to Apollo after he said:

And my logic would be correct. Bane would comfortably beat any PT force user.

He is a super Bane fanboy.

Hahaha, Bane is sooooooo awesome...

http://www.ffurg.com/custom_recipe/eu/darth_bane_02.jpg

He's like a superhero or something.

Apollo, are you actively choosing to ignore all the sources that say that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord... Again?

Yoda would beat Bane, Apollo, calm down. Being beat by Yoda isn't a black mark on your record, Bane was still really powerful.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Apollo, are you actively choosing to ignore all the sources that say that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord... Again?

Yoda would beat Bane, Apollo, calm down. Being beat by Yoda isn't a black mark on your record, Bane was still really powerful.

Noobaris, the biggest tool on this forum, always argues against canon.

My idol Darth Bane is so awesome, he moved the sun and the moon because they were blocking his sight.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/3/3f/Darthbane.jpg/470px-Darthbane.jpg

Hahahaha, I am darth Been.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Yoda is "the most devastatingly powerful foe the darkness has ever faced," and Sidious' equal. Sidious is Bane's clear superior. Yoda has this.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Apollo, are you actively choosing to ignore all the sources that say that Sidious is the most powerful Sith Lord... Again?

Yoda would beat Bane, Apollo, calm down. Being beat by Yoda isn't a black mark on your record, Bane was still really powerful.

The thing is, all those sources have been proven fallible, or the quotes themselves have been proven ambiguous. There's not one concrete statement that puts any incarnation of Sidious above Bane, and having any PT incarnation being above him just flat out makes zero sense.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
The thing is, all those sources have been proven fallible, or the quotes themselves have been proven ambiguous. There's not one concrete statement that puts any incarnation of Sidious above Bane, and having any PT incarnation being above him just flat out makes zero sense.

Oh right Noobaris, I forgot, because in your own delusional mind, when you type you've automatically prove something. However in the real world, not only have you not proven that the sources were fallible, but the arguments for those sources were reinforced by your nonsense. You fall back on the "omg this quote is ambiguous" nonsense and your argument has been destroyed EVERYtime. PT Sidious is considered the most powerful sith lord in Bane's trilogy, and it makes perfect sense whether you believe it or not. Try not just watching the movies but reading other sources, so you can see why GL didn't make anyone a force god in the movies.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
The thing is, all those sources have been proven fallible, or the quotes themselves have been proven ambiguous. There's not one concrete statement that puts any incarnation of Sidious above Bane, and having any PT incarnation being above him just flat out makes zero sense.

Lying idiot.

Hey Lightsnake, seeing as this is like your return to the forum, please at last try being a little less lame, yeah? I mean really, 'Bane Humper?' You sound like a fool.

Which Bane is this? PoD Bane loses. Bane in his prime wins.

No, he doesn't. Bane loses to Yoda. Any form.

Ok, seeing as people are still stuck on using random sourcebook blanket statements in debates instead of in-story evidence, hopefully this should end it:

Dave111283 (Darth Sexy): Being a huge Marka Ragnos fan, I just wanted to know where he ranks among the most powerful sith lords ever. The way he was always described made me think that he was the most powerful Sith Lord ever until sources came up with Sidious being the most powerful. Can you shed some light on this please?

Captain Yossarian (random dude): I don't know for sure but I would imagine that there are no hard and fast lists about which Sith are the most powerful. "Most Powerful" would have lots of different variables to take into account. So it may be best to say that he was simply amongst the most powerful Sith along with Sidious and whoever else there may be. It you definitively say that one Sith was the most powerful then by definition any others that you create in the EU must be inferior so I doubt the continuity people make such absolutes about the powerfulness of the characters. Of course, I could be wrong though.

Tasty Taste (Leland Chan, the guy who runs canon): Agreed, us continuity people don't deal in absolutes. Only Sith deal in absolutes.
With that said, we'll often need to come up with stats or rankings for gameplay purposes. These are for gameplay purposes only. Stunt coordinato Nick Gillard had his own lightsaber ranking, but even the use of this ranking system is limited because it was only the major characters from the prequel films that he ranked. We never expanded on that ranking system.

So as you can see, the head of the canon department himself states that these random statements aren't absolute, and thus, not a deciding factor in these debates.

Here's the link: http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=152583&start=1200

Now can we please stop all this relying on blanket out of universe statements, and try and use in-story evidence from now on, as you can all quite clearly see that Leland Chan has basically confirmed that they don't mean jack, except for gameplay purposes.

...Palpatine is the strongest Sith Lord ever. George Lucas > anyone else. Lucas is top canon and whatever he says goes no matter what in the Star Wars universe.

Palpatine is the strongest and YES it is because the movies revolves around Palpatine.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
The most powerful Sith Lord EVER is a new age Sith. The Sith is known as Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Sources to back this up:

Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."

Empire's End, one of the Sith spirits: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."

On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."

Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."

Now you know comics so you'll be well versed in people calling narrative hyperbole. Take into note these feats along with those quotes:

Palpatine learned a Force Storm. It is is an attack that rips apart the fabric of existence and space-time. It can do everything from create a wormhole to move a person lightyears to ravage the surface of a planet to annihilate starfleets. Palpatine uses Force lightning with enough power to kill 100 augmented Strormtroopers effortlessly. Same lightning reduced 3 dark siders strong enough to resurrect Darth Maul to charred skeletons.

His battle with Luke in Dark Empire, according to the audio, had enough energy sent off to kill nearby Stormtroopers. He also can drain planets of their energy.

I've taken a look at that thread, lol, and I cracked up when I saw that Nebaris tried to translate "greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power" to refer to dedication and willingness.

Also there's the NEC, and the Databank.

Originally posted by Gideon
I've taken a look at that thread, lol, and I cracked up when I saw that Nebaris tried to translate "greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power" to refer to dedication and willingness.

Ok, calm down big guy, it wasn't that funny. Anyways, I really don't see what's so wrong with that, it works much better than that quote translating into personal power and combat prowess (like you tried to do). Anyways, I'd assume by LC's "us continuity people don't deal in absolutes" comment that it applies to essential guides, and all types of reference material, as well as sourcebooks.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Also there's the NEC, and the Databank.

I just searched his databank entree, and didn't find anything of the sort, and the NEC is an in-story source, and written by a historian inside the SW universe and thus subject to being inaccurate due to a lack of/distorted evidence, hence why I label such sources 'fallible'.

Whoops, sorry, it still counts. Your bullshit doesn't.

Go ahead, idiot. None of us here care about you

How the hell is this even an argument? Noobaris, your argument has been defeated everytime, shut up.

He refuses to realize that Palpatine is the best there ever was.

for god's sake, he put Malak above Revan! That's kinda INSANE

He put Bane above all...

Yoda wins here, its just that simple.

Originally posted by ESB -1138
He refuses to realize that Palpatine is the best there ever was.

Yeah, and you refuse to realise that every time you try and refute what I'm saying, it just makes you look like more of a moron. Now in case you didn't notice, the only reason people were bringing up Sidious was because Yoda and he, as of RotS, were equals, and they were trying to use random statements (that put RotS Sidious above Bane) which put Yoda above Bane, based on transitive property. In other words, all that stuff you brought up about DE Sidious was completely irrelevant. But unlucky about failing to refute what I was saying yet again, really, unlucky.

Originally posted by Riverollv
for god's sake, he put Malak above Revan! That's kinda INSANE

I Put Darth Malak above Darth Revan. IIRC, Revan as a sith lord wasn't being powered up by an entire race of force users now, was he?

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, and you refuse to realise that every time you try and refute what I'm saying, it just makes you look like more of a moron. Now in case you didn't notice, the only reason people were bringing up Sidious was because Yoda and he, as of RotS, were equals, and they were trying to use random statements (that put RotS Sidious above Bane) which put Yoda above Bane, based on transitive property. In other words, all that stuff you brought up about DE Sidious was completely irrelevant. But unlucky about failing to refute what I was saying yet again, really, unlucky.

Ahhh the denial begins again. Everytime you bring up the fact that Sidious is NOT the strongest force user ever, you embarass yourself more and more, and your arguments get defeated as usual. It is absolute common sense that because Sidious and Yoda are equals, Yoda is superior to Bane, fanboy. The transitive property works perfectly here, and nobody cares if you believe it or not. Nobody's ever failed to refute anything you've said Noobaris, stop lying to yourself.

Right, if you actually read stuff with your eyes open, you'd see I was referring to stuff being said about DE Sidious, who is leagues beyond his RotS self (which in the incarnation that Yoda is actually on par with), so no, the transitive property doesn't work in this case.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
I Put Darth Malak above Darth Revan. IIRC, Revan as a sith lord wasn't being powered up by an entire race of force users now, was he?

And yet Revan WTFpwned Malak in a one on one battle TWICE!! Once Malak was being powered up and Revan still pwned his @$$.

Yeah, and that version of Revan was far more powerful than he had been as a Dark Lord, according to Malak. You do realise that I'm comparing the two of them by their sith incarnations, right? And there was no WTFpwnage, many sources actually indicate that the fight was somewhat close, and left Revan severely wounded.

Apollo, there is too much evidence towards Sidious being the most powerful Sith Lord to deny it and expect to win any arguments, even Sidious before DE.
Bane is very good, and would give any non-Luke or DE Sidious a good run for their money. Being worse than Yoda isn't a bad thing.

About the Revan/ Malak thing: I politely disagree with you. I understand what you're saying, and it's not impossible or unfathomable in anyway that a Starforged powered Malak could give Darth Revan a good fight and possibly even win, especially seeing as how the Revan that later beat him was more powerful, and that was a close fight. However, I still think Revan would win, seeing as how he is exponentially smarter and taught Malak some of what he knows.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Ok, calm down big guy, it wasn't that funny. Anyways, I really don't see what's so wrong with that, it works much better than that quote translating into personal power and combat prowess (like you tried to do). Anyways, I'd assume by LC's "us continuity people don't deal in absolutes" comment that it applies to essential guides, and all types of reference material, as well as sourcebooks.

I'm not making fun of you, Nebaris (I've long since abandoned such behavior). I'm simply saying that attempting to subvert the quote and make it apply to "willingness", "dedication", and so forth is simply baseless and without cause, since the quote itself has nothing to do with it. Palpatine is called "the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power" by AotC, and this was before any of his political achievements (which you argued). This obviously is testimony to his strength in the dark side - the "one the Sith have waited a millenium for", "the most powerful of Bane's lineage", "the most powerful Sith Lord in history" - and so forth. His power, so intense, that it utterly ravaged his body and was killing him.

My way makes much more sense than yours.

Alright, in a saber battle Bane gets slaughtered. A Force battle would be a little closer but Yoda is the clear winner anyways. Saying anything else is just pure lunacy.

Yeah, despite you not backing up any of that.

It comes pre-backed-up.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, and that version of Revan was far more powerful than he had been as a Dark Lord, according to Malak. You do realise that I'm comparing the two of them by their sith incarnations, right? And there was no WTFpwnage, many sources actually indicate that the fight was somewhat close, and left Revan severely wounded.

Eventually Revan would've become a far more powerful Sith Lord than Malak. Maybe there was no WTFpwnage, I acually think the fight must've been pretty close, but I wish to know which sources are you talking about, because in case you don't remember, in Duron Qel-Droma's visions you can see Revan with a blue blade standing intimidatingly behind the dead Malak, and there are no signs of wounds or injuries.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, despite you not backing up any of that.


Oh of course, everyone isn't backing up anything except you, who can't make a logical argument.

Originally posted by Riverollv
Eventually Revan would've become a far more powerful Sith Lord than Malak. Maybe there was no WTFpwnage, I acually think the fight must've been pretty close, but I wish to know which sources are you talking about, because in case you don't remember, in Duron Qel-Droma's visions you can see Revan with a blue blade standing intimidatingly behind the dead Malak, and there are no signs of wounds or injuries.

That was merely a vision of what eventually transpired. It doesn't indicate what happened specifically in the battle.

Sexy has a rational argument for Darth Malak being more powerful than Darth Revan, seeing as Revan - even while becoming more powerful - had the fight of his life against Star Forge powered Malak.

More accurately, Star Forge powered Malak is more powerful than Darth Revan.

Originally posted by Allankles
That was merely a vision of what eventually transpired. It doesn't indicate what happened specifically in the battle.

Sexy has a rational argument for Darth Malak being more powerful than Darth Revan, seeing as Revan - even while becoming more powerful - had the fight of his life against Star Forge powered Malak.

More accurately, Star Forge powered Malak is more powerful than Darth Revan.

Well, some visions are extremely accurate, maybe this one was, though we cannot know that. And yes, probaly you're right, but we cannot prove if DARTH Revan at his MAX is more powerful or less than Malak, because we never actually saw Darth Revan at his max.

What did I miss something who is Bane? I've seen all the Star Wars movies and I don't remember hearing that name at all.

(Yoda would win!)

Originally posted by DOYLEZOMBIE
What did I miss something who is Bane? I've seen all the Star Wars movies and I don't remember hearing that name at all.

(Yoda would win!)

Bane has not been directly addressed in the movies; he was a powerful Sith Lord who initiated "the Rule of Two", which was the edict that only two Sith Lords could exist - a master and an apprentice.

Marka Ragnos wins.

Exar Kun is a match for DN Luke.

DE Sidious is Naga Sadow's inferior by a large margin.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Marka Ragnos wins.

Exar Kun is a match for DN Luke.

DE Sidious is Naga Sadow's inferior by a large margin.

DE Sidious is Naga Sadow's inferior...?

Someone doesn't understand sarcasm.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Someone doesn't understand sarcasm.

Someone should realize:

a.) This is the Internet. Sarcasm isn't easily detected.

b.) There is no real reason to be sarcastic out-of-the-blue on this thread.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Yeah, and you refuse to realise that every time you try and refute what I'm saying, it just makes you look like more of a moron. Now in case you didn't notice, the only reason people were bringing up Sidious was because Yoda and he, as of RotS, were equals, and they were trying to use random statements (that put RotS Sidious above Bane) which put Yoda above Bane, based on transitive property. In other words, all that stuff you brought up about DE Sidious was completely irrelevant. But unlucky about failing to refute what I was saying yet again, really, unlucky.

Unfortunatelly all quotes are refering to Sidious as he was during the PT.

Unfortunatelly for you, Bane's so called "feats" pale in comparison to thinks Yoda has done. Really...best thing we saw Bane doing was bringing a temple down with some nice violent use of force powers. Yoda did bring the top of a mountain down and LIFTED the remains of a temple. Let me see...I guess Yoda's actions do actually require more force power.

So I guess Yoda would actually win a force duel.

And Lightsaber combat ? Erm. Yoda can dodge three Jedi Masters with blades attacking him while being unarmed. He moves fast enough to redirect and deflect more than 40 blaster bolts in 3 seconds. He has knowledge of exoctic lightsaber forms Bane hasn't even heared the names of (such as Trakata). Bane would get sliced into funny little pieces before even knowing what did actually hit him.

Oh...you might come up with that nice Orbalisk Armor again.
Beast Trick > Orbalisks. Lightsaber through the head (which was the actual thought of how Yoda should have forced Dooku to retreat in AotC) > Orbalisks. Yay. Bane's dead.

The most powerful Sith Lord EVER is a new age Sith. The Sith is known as Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Sources to back this up:

Page 109 from the Dark Empire sourcebook:

"Palpatine has risen from the dead. The most powerful Sith Lord who ever lived had returned."

Empire's End, one of the Sith spirits: "He gave up everything to the Dark Side long ago. He has become the greatest who ever lived. He is the strongest who ever lived....I say we give what he wishes."

Star Wars Insider, Kevin J. Anderson, upon asked if he ever intended his Sith to be stronger than the OT sith: "No. Exar Kun, Naga Sadow and the others are on a firmly lower tier than Emperor Palpatine."

On TFN.net, official response to the strongest Sith: "Palpatine at his peak."

Essential Chronology: "the most powerful Sith who had ever lived, Emperor Palpatine had returned from the grave."

Now you know comics so you'll be well versed in people calling narrative hyperbole. Take into note these feats along with those quotes:

Palpatine learned a Force Storm. It is is an attack that rips apart the fabric of existence and space-time. It can do everything from create a wormhole to move a person lightyears to ravage the surface of a planet to annihilate starfleets. Palpatine uses Force lightning with enough power to kill 100 augmented Strormtroopers effortlessly. Same lightning reduced 3 dark siders strong enough to resurrect Darth Maul to charred skeletons.

His battle with Luke in Dark Empire, according to the audio, had enough energy sent off to kill nearby Stormtroopers. He also can drain planets of their energy.

That was what I was referring to when I said that. None of those quotes are in reference to PT Sidious. Learn 2 read.



No it's not. Moving a moon, conjuring up storms of force lightning after an hour of having learnt how to summon lightning period, and controlling + directing the combined power of 25 sith lords that was strong enough to destroy an entire world are his greatest force feats.



Yeah, right, more like Bane moving an entire moon is a gazillion times greater a feat. Not to mention the fact that the feat completely contradicts the movie's portrayal of Yoda when he struggled with lifting something much much lighter than an entire temple. And the feat that you mentioned is still more impressive anyways; it was at the end of an extremely tiring duel, Bane didn't even focus properly, and was still able to bring the entire 20 story temple down in seconds.



Sure thing. More like Bane destroys Yoda on the spot with a storm of force lightning, seeing as Yoda has no valid defence against it.



Yeah, except you forgot to mention that it was a mere demonstration that had been orchestrated before in order to show the padawans that force strength and mastery >>>> combat prowess and technique. To argue that Yoda would have been able to do the same in a real battle situation is completely ridiculous, especially considering how much he struggled with dodging those senate pods in RotS which really weren't moving at too great a speed.



Bane, lightyears away from how powerful he becomes by BotS, moves so fast that the eyes of powerful trained force users couldn't see or react to him. I could perfectly see Yoda doing all that stuff in the RotS movie. My eyes < the eyes of powerful trained force users. Ergo, you lose.



Wow, I completely forgot, Yoda can duel with his lightsaber unignited, what a god, you've totally changed my mind Barbyman, Bane is screwed.



Despite the fact that Bane's faster, possesses greater reflexes, and has greater precognition abilities?



Please explain what the hell you're talking about.



Yeah, first you'd have to prove that Yoda was leagues above Bane in combat that he'd be able to exploit Bane's only weakness. Good luck buddy.

Noobaris, you just keep embarassing yourself further and further. You are a POOR debater and you lose EVERY debate by constantly arguing against canon sources and logic. Sidious=Yoda. PT Sidious>Bane, therefore Yoda>Bane. Get over it or continue the self pwnage, which is why you're known as Noobaris.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
No it's not. Moving a moon, conjuring up storms of force lightning after an hour of having learnt how to summon lightning period, and controlling + directing the combined power of 25 sith lords that was strong enough to destroy an entire world are his greatest force feats.


Get it into your head. Bane did never move that moon. Got it now ? He thinks he can do it and that's were the story ends - no proof he had to do it. No proof he did it. So stop coming up with that rediculous claim. And how the hell is directing the power of other people a great force feat. Dorskk-81 was capable of doing so - tossing a fleet out of a starsystem. Must be powerful that dude. Urm. No.



Please spare me your personal interpretation of movie scenes and your "Bane mooved DA MOONSOR" bullshit. And you noticed how Yoda brought the top of the mountain down while fighting a nice number of droids and lifted the temple up some seconds after ending that fight (by bringing the top of the mountain down). Whoopie.



Oh. You mean Yoda who has been noted to possess a defence against every Dark Side power there is. WTF ? Bane's freaking force storm is nothing more than a variation of force lightning. Yoda can absorb and redirect force energy. So force storm my ass.



LMFAO.
First Yoda did already show that he can perform that in combat. Duel with Dooku, duel with Sidious - he mainly dodges there attacks. And where did you see Yoda having "problems" with dodging the Senate pods ? I mean, aside from the rediculous comparison of a lightsaber blade to a freaking Senate pod being thrown at you, he still managed to dodge them, didn't he ?



Oh my god. Bane becomes so powerful in BotS which actually happens directly after PoD. Yay. He becomes godlike. Really. And again this bloody "but they are soooo lame in the movies" bullshit. Get it out of your completely deranged brain, retard. Movie speed is basically slow motion enabling you to see anything of a fight. Or as Leland Chee put it: "Movie speed doesn't contradict EU speed". And there still is this scene were Yoda deflects more than 40 blaster bolts in 3 seconds. There you go...again. Stop boring me with your utter lack of intelligence.



Wow, I completely forgot to mention that Yoda mastered all forms of saber combat (like Kas'im) also all exoctic ones (more than Kas'im) and owned one of the greatest lightsaber duellist (Dooku) that the order ever produced in 30 seconds while levitating some being around (Dark Rendevouz). Hmm. Yeah. Bane is screwed.



Laughable. Unless you show me Bane deflecting 40 blaster bolts in under 3 seconds just to proceed and own 8 people in another 3 seconds I'd say Yoda is much faster, has far better reflexes and by far greater precognition. Of course you can again attempt to argue against things shown in ROTS. Arguing against canon with total inability to apply reasoning seems to be your personal obsession.



Beast Trick = control animals. Orbalisks = animals. Use beast trick on them and command them to leave Bane's body. Bye bye armor.



He's leagues above Dooku in combat who, again, was one of the most skilled duellist the order ever produced due to his obsession with lightsaber combat that is on one level with that of Kas'im. There you have some nice point to start from if you like to compare Bane to Yoda when it comes to combat. Have a nice day, idiot.

LOL@ Bane killing Yoda with force lightning. Sidious' whose force lightning is superior to anybody elses, couldn't kill Yoda. In fact Yoda absorbed it and almost wtfpwned Sidious with it.

Actually, it's been proven. He decided to do it, he set out to do it, we know that doing it was the only way he could gett off Dxun, and it's confirmed he left Dxun, so there you have it: proven.



It's not if you act like a moron and ignore the sheer degree of power he had to control and direct. It speaks highly for his force control and force mastery. And given that the orbalisks give him a constant supply of force energy, and given he has the control and mastery to control huge sums of power, it's likely he could replicate the feat by himself if given the time to charge up energy.



Again, refer to the above. The power to toss a fleet out of a star system pales in comparison to destroying an entire world, and everything and anything in its path.



It's the interpretation held by anyone who can view things objectively. Yoda's entire body shaked, his hands trembled, his face was as strained as it could be, and he was only just able to pull of the feat, and he was panting afterwards as well. He struggled dude, get over it.



Yeah, you're not good at doing that, leave it to the pros like Advent.



OK calm down with your orgasms there you weirdo , it's still inconsistent with his movie portrayal and it still doesn't compare to orbalisk man.



Well Lightsnake actually came up with that quote, and he said it was under Yoda's section in the Power of the Jedi sourcebook, which turned out to be a lie, but disregarding the fact that the quote doesn't even exist, it still doesn't change anything. Yoda possesses defences against the technique itself (force lightning), sure, but the sheer magnitude of the power encompasses far too big an area for either his lightsaber or his hands to contain, so he simply can't defend against it.



But a variation that encompasses an area too large for anything that Yoda can use to absorb or redirect it with. BTW, I said storm of force lightning, not force storm; open your eyes and learn to read.



You do realise the unnecessary 'LMAO's in no way make your argument seem more convincing, right? I'd assume that's why you added it in, as I can't see why you'd honestly find all of this that hilarious, but if you do, I'd suggest calming down, and stop getting so hyper over an internet forum. Anyways, as to your point, how does that shit honestly compare? last time I checked, Dooku, and Sidious only equal 1 person, and last time I checked, Yoda doesn't dodge their attacls effortlessly like he does the Jedi Masters in the ShadowHunter flashback.



Given how close the pods were actually getting to Yoda, and given the fact that he was slipping all over the place, I'd estimate that he was having some sort of trouble with them.



It comes about 2 years after the point of PoD that I mentioned, moron, so what you just said is entirely irrelevant.



Right, so it's me who lacks intelligence? Great timing to type that in the very same paragraph that displays a clear misunderstanding of how slowmotion works. When a scene is put into slowmotion, it's made obvious, by observing how quickly natural things are happening in the surroundings, and how consistent sound is with time. Everything flows perfectly throughout the movies, no sound and time inconsistencies, so as usual, you don't know what you're talking about.



Except that kas'im did it for more than just a regular saber. he also did it for the saberstaff and dual sabers. Kas'im > Yoda.



Such as Trakata? LOL.



Nice job twisting what happened. He was only levitating the old woman when the duel first began. The only unfair advantage he gained was that Dooku was able to initiate the attack, that's all. Anyways, I'd easily rate Sirak above Dooku. He was so fast that he could move in blurs, he was quite the prodigy, given he could master some sequences in hours that took other students weeks to even learn, and he was a master of multiple forms. Yet Bane, as soon as he gave into the darkside, owned him in less than a second. Yipee



Nice how you ignored this: Bane, lightyears away from how powerful he becomes by BotS, moves so fast that the eyes of powerful trained force users couldn't see or react to him. I could perfectly see Yoda doing all that stuff in the RotS movie. My eyes < the eyes of powerful trained force users. Ergo, you lose.



Yeah, by your logic, Bane can simply use the on/off buton on Yoda's saber to unignite it. Or pull his saber away from him with TK. Yeah, that logic would be correct if we ignore how PoD makes it clear that to affect your opponent's armour or weapons requires you breaking through their force defences first, so it's nowhere near as easy as you're making it out to be.



Hey Nai, I think you've been spending too much time with Lightsnake, the lameness has really been rubbing off on you. Now really, this point, like all your others, is completely flawed. Dooku is not on level with Kas'im, he never mastered every style, for all primary form of the saber, and he never subsequently perfected them, constantly keeping in practise with each form. Kas'im is second to nobody in terms of lightsaber mastery, so yet again, you're talking rubbish. And again, there's a much bigger gap between Bane and Sirak (who's arguably greater than Dooku) than there is between Yoda and Dooku.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Actually, it's been proven. He decided to do it, he set out to do it, we know that doing it was the only way he could gett off Dxun, and it's confirmed he left Dxun, so there you have it: proven.
No, that's not proof, nor is that logical deduction. That's fanboyism from a blubbering vagina.




let the self pwnage continue.




I didn't know your dumbass was an authority on more impressive feat wars.




I hate Yoda and I hate Sidious because I love Revan and Ragnos, yet unlike you, who is a dolt beyond belief, I don't argue against facts.




Right, because Nai ISNT considered among the best debaters on this forum, if not the best. And why would anyone leave it to another person to wtfpwn your arguments when that person can do it themselves?



Guess what, Sidous force lightning>>>Bane's. Try again.





Nobody is angry Noobaris. Aside from being a shitty debater, you're an even worse psychologist.




Yes, you have proved that you lacked intelligence from the first day you came here, to your first so called argument, to you constantly arguing against facts.




um... no





ROFL, Sirak above Dooku. Gee, I don't know WHY your arguments always get wtfpwned(sarcasm in case it flew way over your head).




Light years away. Baseless assumptions dont' count in a debate. And since it was STATED that the fight was in slow motion, you lose.




Except Yoda's TK is far superior to that of Bane, so Bane can't do shit.




And this is why you're the forum's worst debater.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Actually, it's been proven. He decided to do it, he set out to do it, we know that doing it was the only way he could gett off Dxun, and it's confirmed he left Dxun, so there you have it: proven.


No. In his delusion he thinks he can play with stars like a child can play with balls. He thinks this. Neither is there any proof he needed to move the moon and neither is there proof that he really did it.



Oh YEAH. Kun did withstand an attack of all Jedi in the Galaxy combined. Now show me what Bane did compareable. Oh wait. Nothing ? Yes. Thanks.



With some small mistakes on your side:
a) It didn't destroy the entire world (as seen)
b) It didn't destroy anything in it's part (as seen)
c) The Sith that Thon fought on Ambria did do that on her own

Hmm. Not that impressive. Next please.



Dude. He makes some funny faces and moves his hands. Overinterpretation much ? After this he just sighs and walks off as if nothing had happened. And still his feats from the CW cartoons (approved by Lucas directly) remain there.



Lucas > you. Storyline > your oppinion. Understood ? Or shall I paint you a nicely colored picture which might fit the actual needs of children of your age (5 ? 6 ?) better...



Notice how he draws lightning to his hands. Area doesn't matter.



Which is the same as force storm is the KotoR name for it and aside of that the Area Effect doesn't matter. Lightning is drawn to the hands. That's obvious since Sidious tooled a batallion of Stormtroopers with his.



Oh. I just felt the desperate need to express how funny your so called "arguments" are.



Last time I checked Yoda is long gone everytime an attack is directed at him. So yes, he dodges them easily.



Oh. He should have...erm...done what ? Jump 50 metres to clearly escape a pod ? What a waste of energy...




Yes. You obviously lack intelligence displayed by your complete inabilty to use any form of abstractions. The movie is made that way because you can watch it. Now imagine the display of a duel were both opponents really move faster than the eye can see in the movie. Would you enjoy this ? No. The movies (from an continuity point of view) are still just interpretations of what happened that make the events understandable and perceiveable by the audience. People moving faster than the eye can see are...well...not perceiveable. Hence the don't appear that way in the movie.

So please. Stop making an assclown out of yourself by either accepting that the speed in the movie does have NO effect on the speed of the original characters (which was told you by Leland Chee and George Lucas personally) or STFU.



Yay. Yoda does have no need to use a saberstaff or dual sabers going by his fastness.



Oh wait. Sirak is above Dooku ? Oh yes. Yoda calls Dooku the most impressive student (force powers, lightsaber combat) he has ever seen in the last 900 years. Aside of that Dooku has been noted to have been one of the most powerful Jedi ever even before he gained his Sith knowledge. As stated above already (and I hope I don't have to hammer it into your head again) everybody is capable of moving in blurs. Now what puts Sirak above Dooku ? That he was worshipped by a bunch of total losers. Impressive. Oh wait...no...it isn't.



Nice how you ignored once again that you "I could see Yoda moving" argument is bullshit.



Yoda broke to the force defences of Sidious who, at RotS, is already more powerful than Bane. Again. Get it into your head.



Wow. That's exactly what Dooku did in his youth, idiot. His mane goal was to become the best swordsman ever. Hence he did study all styles and knew them inside out which is pretty apparent from the RotS novel when he recalls every style plus their weaknesses. Then he went on in studying Makashi - the ultimate refinement of lightsaber to lightsaber combat - and perfected that style over 7 decades of training. You were saying ?



Dooku would totally trash Sirak in a force battle or lightsaber fight. And as you obviously lack knowledge unless we don't talk about your beloved Bane, I don't see why I shall debate with you any longer.

Sure thing, that's why you don't want to continue this.
It's not because I owned your ass in two consecutive threads, no, it's because I lack knowledge.

Seriously now, stop talking rubbish, and let's look at the facts.

Fact: Out of all the members on this forum, you are pretty much the most persistent one when it comes to debates. You'll carry on typing for dozens of thread pages, with entire essay length rebuttals each post, and the only time I ever see you give up is when you're losing (for example against Advent, in the 'Kun versus Anakin' thread).

Fact: You started both debates off, clearly gearing for a long and heated debate.

Fact: You were the one who started off with the cheap debating tactics (such as the making stuff up, and the insults; by the way, you seriously need to work on those, you kind of remind me of my lame ass 50 year old History teacher, seriously now...), clearly realising that you couldn't keep up using normal methods.

Fact: You are the one who's ended the debates.

Now all those facts listed above make it pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that you were getting owned, bad, in both threads, and that you knew it. But whatever, seeing as you've pretty much given up on this thread, and didn't even reply in the other, I see no reason for me to waste my time by owning you yet again, when I know that you won't reply.

If you're referring to the EoD threads, I've taken a look at them, and Zephiel was the only one to take your side, Nebaris. Asserting that "anyone with half a brain could see you were getting owned" simply isn't true, because if you want to "appeal to majority", Nai's got that in his pocket in this case. You saying that you owned Nai doesn't make it true.

As far as the insults are concerned, he's an Antedivulian. That's what they do. You get used to it, and learn from it.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Sure thing, that's why you don't want to continue this.
It's not because I owned your ass in two consecutive threads, no, it's because I lack knowledge.

Seriously now, stop talking rubbish, and let's look at the facts.

Fact: Out of all the members on this forum, you are pretty much the most persistent one when it comes to debates. You'll carry on typing for dozens of thread pages, with entire essay length rebuttals each post, and the only time I ever see you give up is when you're losing (for example against Advent, in the 'Kun versus Anakin' thread).

Fact: You started both debates off, clearly gearing for a long and heated debate.

Fact: You were the one who started off with the cheap debating tactics (such as the making stuff up, and the insults; by the way, you seriously need to work on those, you kind of remind me of my lame ass 50 year old History teacher, seriously now...), clearly realising that you couldn't keep up using normal methods.

Fact: You are the one who's ended the debates.

Now all those facts listed above make it pretty obvious to anybody with half a brain that you were getting owned, bad, in both threads, and that you knew it. But whatever, seeing as you've pretty much given up on this thread, and didn't even reply in the other, I see no reason for me to waste my time by owning you yet again, when I know that you won't reply.

Wow, denial is a *****. Wtfpwned again.

Well it's lucky that I'm not referring to the EoD threads then, isn't it? I'm referring to threads here at KMC.



Yeah, ever since you rated Darth Sexy as one of the best debaters here, I've kind of not trusted your judgement, given how badly he blows.

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Well it's lucky that I'm not referring to the EoD threads then, isn't it? I'm referring to threads here at KMC.



Yeah, ever since you rated Darth Sexy as one of the best debaters here, I've kind of not trusted your judgement, given how badly he blows.

This coming from the absolute worst debater on this forum, I find it humorous. Keep up the laughs forum clown.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
This coming from the absolute worst debater on this forum, I find it humorous. Keep up the laughs forum clown.

I don't think it's fair to call him the "worst debater" here, seeing as there will always be this guy (as a general statement):
Originally posted by MasterAshenVor
JAR JAR FTW lol

However, many of his views are twisted, and debating is impossible due to him not being able to acknowledge facts.

Just catching you on a technical, DS.


And, despite him being the "forum clown," I don't think he's all that funny.

It's an accidental kind of funny.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It's an accidental kind of funny.

Meh, to each his(or her! Woo gal pahwur!) own.

I'm sticking with "annoying."

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Sure thing, that's why you don't want to continue this.
It's not because I owned your ass in two consecutive threads, no, it's because I lack knowledge.


You owned yourself in two threads and that's all you "owned" there.



Hmm ? Did I miss something ? Normally I stop debates when my opponent agrees to disagree since everything comes down to a matter of interpretation. Happened multiple times in debates with Janus for example (about the PT Jedi in comparison to the TOTJ ones).



And you simply refused to continue after getting owned. See ?



Normal methods are a complete waste of my time talking with people like you. Magaritas ante porcos. Perls to the pigs. I simply fart in your general direction as this is all you deserve from me. If you want normal methods from me, stop acting like a noob.



If you consider "Making you appear like an assclown to such an extend that you realized that every further attempt to redicule yourself would be futile" is your definition of "ending a debate" then this obviously fits.



Oh. That would be you and Zephiel ? Actually...if you want to pull some appeal to majority out of your ass (generally a stupid action but as such obviously fitting your character), you should have some "majority" on your side. Which wasn't the case.



Hey. As I told you before: If you are happy with that illusions of "owning" people in debate, which I've never seen you doing anywhere. Okay. Give me a call when you found your way back into the place commonly referred to as "reality". Until then: STFU, noob.

...And just what are the threads on which you've apparently owned Nai Fohl?



When have I said this? I recall stating Darth Sexy is "tenacious" and "relentless" which are admirable qualities in a debater, but I don't ever recall saying that he was one of the best here or the best ever, but I could be wrong.

In any case, this is pointless. Simply put: you dictating that you have owned Nai - and expecting us to simply take you at your word and adhere to this - would be like SW LeGenD proclaiming that he owned Advent in verbal sparring or debating. The fact is, simply because you think you've owned Nai, doesn't mean that it actually happened, and no one is going to treat it as such. In fact, the only way to test on whether or not someone is "owned" or not would be the appeal to majority , and make no mistake - the general public would likely agree with Nai, and given the feedback we've seen, they do.

But I'm not going to sit and lecture you on how "you're human" and "your opinion isn't an auto-fact", because I've done it before.

Oh please Escape, you've always sent me PMS telling me I'm the Michael Jordan of debating. Don't back out now.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh please Escape, you've always sent me PMS telling me I'm the Michael Jordan of debating. Don't back out now.

I've sent you PMS?

LOL.. I get it escape thanks for pointing out the sarcasm because I didn't think you were transparent at all. I think you need a hug..

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
LOL.. I get it escape thanks for pointing out the sarcasm because I didn't think you were transparent at all. I think you need a hug..

What the hell are you talking about, DS?

The question should be, what am I NOT talking about?

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
The question should be, what am I NOT talking about?

Are you okay?

no?

I am so confused.

You both need a hug, lets all join in friendship circle.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Oh please Escape, you've always sent me PMS telling me I'm the Michael Jordan of debating. Don't back out now.

Michael Jordan of baseball? whistling

j/k...