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Who is the strongest Sith next to Sidious?

All-out fight in the Valley of the Dark Lords.

Revan has the most knowledge but in combat, Kun has his amulet blast and sith magic. Nihilus has his drain but we don't know how effective it would be against Kun who is wearing the amulet. If it comes down to saber combat, Kun takes it.

Nihilius drains them both.

Originally posted by Janus X
Nihilius drains them both.

Yeah, Nihilus' drain was too hot to handle for an entire race of force sensitives as well as dozens of Jedi Masters, so I doubt Exar or Revan could handle it.

Originally posted by Janus X
Nihilius drains them both.

Rar I just found a secret SW forum.

Good thing you intelligent kids offered an argument.

Sexy, explain the difference between Exar Kun and a planet of force-sensitives.

Here comes "well...BESIDES that...he'd lose."

Translation: Beises the thing that puts him above pretty mucheveryone else, he's not so tough.

Which is wrong in any case.

Try again, Exar Kun drained thousands of Massassi warriors. Nihilus' drain isn't instant while Kun's amulet blasts are. Nihilus would be dead before he drained either combatant.

I think a planet holds billions/millions.

Billions/Millions > Thousands.

P.S: Alright, I'm not well versed in EU, but tell me how the Amulet blasts are instant?

We don't know whether they're instant or not, given the fact that comics are still media, and we don't get to see exactly how time progresses.

Didn't they go willingly?



And Kun's insta-DBZ blast is not faster than speed of thought which will be all it takes for Nihilus to start throwing him around like a beach ball with TK.

And prove Nihilus drain isn't instant. You made the claim so I want to see some evidence.



Revan really doesn't have a chance here.

He's by far inferior to either Nihilus or Kun and that's really beyond doubt.

He'd be the first to die most certainly.

And if Nihilus can lift a fleet of ships from a gravity well, there's not gonna be much difficulty in chucking around Exar Kun.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Try again, Exar Kun drained thousands of Massassi warriors.

No, the Massassi forfeited their lives to give power to their energy to fuel the ritual using alchemical objects. So, it's not as if he used his own powers to do such, as even he himself stated that he did not fully understand it.

Originally posted by Janus X
I think a planet holds billions/millions.

Billions/Millions > Thousands.

Tatooine, according to The Essential Guide to Planet and Moons, only holds a population of 200,000. Likewise, there are several other planets that inhabitants do not rise into the millions.

So, you're wrong. Not all planets are Coruscant or Corellia, you know.

Originally posted by Advent


Tatooine, according to The Essential Guide to Planet and Moons, only holds a population of 200,000. Likewise, there are several other planets that inhabitants do not rise into the millions.

So, you're wrong. Not all planets are Coruscant or Corellia, you know.

Oops. My mistake, I have faulty memories in EU these days.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
And Kun's insta-DBZ blast is not faster than speed of thought which will be all it takes for Nihilus to start throwing him around like a beach ball with TK.
Get one thing straight since you've lost your TK argument virtually everytime. Nihilus can't throw anyone around with TK, especially a more powerful force user. So stop with the baseless assumptions.


Well you clearly don't know the rules of debate. Notice how I don't have to prove Nihilus drain isn't instant seeing as how there's no evidence that shows that it's instant, so asking me to prove a negative shows how incompetent you are.




Denial is not just another river in Egypt.


Since you're a Noobaris type debater, you certainly don't have an authority on who's inferior to who. Kun curbstomps Nihilus with the amulet blast, or wtfpwns him with the saber. Revan might know more techniques than either of them, but I just don't see Revan going on the offensive.


Your point was defeated so many times, it's getting sad that you keep repeating it. And Nihilus lifted the RAVAGER, that's it. Not to mention if his tk abilities were uber, he'd be throwing Visas and Kreia around like nothing. Except that Kun is more powerful in the force, so Nihilus doesn't get the chance. Try again.

Originally posted by Janus X
explain the difference between Exar Kun and a planet of force-sensitives.

Are you kidding me?

And Exar's blasts are instantaneous.

Lol, I just noticed that tdtd used the famous D word on his very last post.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/search.php?action=showresults&q=userid%3A82150

Originally posted by tdtd
As usual
Denial... The nerds #1 defense mechanism.

*Stones DS to death for knowledge of basic vocabulary*

And who the Hell are you to be accusing someone of starting a new account.

You seem to be twisting things. The only thing I "lost" was the bit about Nihilus holding the Ravager together. This has no relevance whatsoever to what I'm currently talking about.

My TK argument is canon fact. Nihilus pulled the Ravager and his fleet from the "mass shadows of Malachor."

So, either prove that's not a feat or concede.



Prove it. And I'm afraid "well, he didn't do it to the Exile, Canderous and Visas" is not proof.



Let me know when Kun can speak and kill a planet.



I never claimed the drain was instant.

I have nothing to prove.

You made the statement that Nihilus' drain isn't instant and I want evidence to support it.

I really don't care about the rules of debating. I care about people making unfounded claims and not giving any evidence to them



Can Revan kill a planet?

Can he paralyze thousands of people?

No?

He loses. Hard.



Neobaris is attacked constantly and derided as an idiot by everyone on this board.

If I was so much like him, I'd think I would be constantly shot down as he is in the Darth Bane topics and the like.

But, oddly, it's you and only you who constantly maintain the insults on my debating ability and lack of intelligence.

Insults seems to be more the crux of your own debating style than any sort of fact.



Nihilus throws him around with TK before any blast comes his way.



Do you have some sort of memory problem?

I swear we've been over this in multiple topics.

Tobin says he lifted the Ravager from Malachor "along with his fleet. That is a measure of his power."

So, we have Tobin saying he lifted a fleet from Malachor. Got any evidence to disprove this?



He didn't try to throw Visas around and he pwned Kreia by lifting her up and throwing her against a wall with no noticeable difficulty. Also he simultaneously severed her from The Force, according to her words.



Yes...Exar's power is so massive he needs entire planets to sustain himself...that individuals are absolutely not even worth his attention.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
My TK argument is canon fact. Nihilus pulled the Ravager and his fleet from the "mass shadows of Malachor."
What "fleet"? Lol.. Show me the "fleet". And your TK argument means shit because you assume he can throw people around, yet he hasn't shown anything to that degree.


The fact that he couldn't drain Kreia on Malachor V is proof enough. "Oh it wasn't a drain, it was a force push because im a moron", doesn't cut it. It's pretty damn obvious to anyone with common sense that he tried to drain her and failed, although she was temporarily stripped of her power.




Let me know when Nihilus can free hundreds of thousands of people, destroy everything in his path with an amulet blast, use the thought bomb, etc. See, I can be the same moron you are and play feat wars.




Nobody here cares what you want fanboy. In a debate I don't ever have to prove a negative. And since there's no evidence showing his drain IS instant, there's no reason to assume it is.

And this is why your points always get defeated.


ROFL.. I guess Luke also loses to him because he can't perform feat X. What a dumbass. Can Nihilus use a technique that seals jedi and sith spirits for all eternity? Can Nihilus do X, Y, Z? No? Then he loses hard.. Dumbass.




Wow, you're as delusional as Noobaris. I don't ever remember anyone taking your side and instead I remembering your points being defeated by not only me, but others.


You wouldn't know a debating style if it bit you in the ass.




Since there's no evidence of him doing that and since there's evidence of Kun's blast, NIhilus loses. Sorry fanboy.




Sidious also said Plagueis could cheat death? Should we believe it just because said it? Learn to think robot.




Oh NOW it's a force drain. But but, I thought it was a force push? Stop contradicting yourself dumbshit, it makes you look pathetic. He tried to drain her and failed, then Sion beat the stuffing out of her.




Yea, Kun's power is so massive that he walked into the senate chamber untouched, and had all the jedi in the galaxy stop him, while Nihilus couldn't drain Kreia, nor the exile, and got wtfpwned by an average Jedi. WOOOHOOO Nihilus.. Stupid fanboy.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Aren't you the one who likes to use "logical deduction"? If Nihilus can lift a fleet with his mind, then a human really is no problem.
Yes, logical deduction. Nihilus hasn't shown to throw anyone around with TK. And I think you fail to understand that someone's force technique can be negated by anyone equal to or stronger than him in the force. Meaning, Nihilus isn't going to throw Kun around anywhere, even if he could.




It was a drain, yet it didn't have the intended a fact. You have lost this debate already, and you continously post because you're in denial, like all poor debaters. It was an unsuccessful drain, get over it tool.




Now you know how I feel when I argue with morons. It was not a force push, especially because she couldn't even call the lightsaber to her anymore. YOu've lost, move on.




THat's probably because I'm the only one dumb enough to continue arguing with such a buffoon.




Your opinion is irrelevant.



Nonbiased my ass, it's clear that you're a Nihilus fanboy. And I don't recall nihilus ever killing anything while speaking. Otherwise, Visas would have died, so would Kreia, so would Sion. Concede already, it's too easy.



If he's still alive after getting blasted or torn into pieces by Kun's lightsaber, or if he can get back into his body after Kun throws some frozen snakes at him.




ROFL, way to throw in a gameplay mechanic from wikipedia into this debate. Not to mention Nihilus' uber force drain wasn't one giant orange lightning bolt, now was it, dolt?


Yet again, if it talks like a duck, and it smells like a duck, it's a damn duck fanboy. You have no argument, go back to the drawing board.



Full of jedi? OH you mean the less than 100 Jedi left in the galaxy, the majority of whom have left the order? You might be talking about 2 jedi. More baseless assumptions from the fanboy.


Sure he could have! That's why he did! Oh wait..


You're boring me fanboy



And I rest my case. The last resort of a poor debating delusional fanboy is to repeat the person he's debating word for word. Good job, tool.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I don't really have to prove anything. It's you who needs to prove it was a drain since it doesn't look like one, have the effect of one or is said to be done by ANYONE AT ANY TIME.
1. It had the effect of a drain
2. Nihilus force drain isn't a stupid orange bolt, stop using wikipedia as your source.
3. Kreia explains how she was stripped of her power as the scene unfolds, therefore, logical deduction points to a drain.


Typical robot, I just gave you the logical deduction. That's like me asking "prove to me with a quote where Nihilus is more powerful than Revan".




AKA you conceded the debate.



Ever heard of a hyperbole? Nihilus drained the planet in whatever way, but you take things too literally because if that were the case, Visas would have died when NIhilus spoke, so would Kreia in all the time she instructed Nihilus.







No tool, she said she was stripped of her power. This is why I don't debate with morons. If she was stripped of her power, she wouldn't have been able to even move the lightsaber. Since there's no canon evidence of Nihilus knowing a force sever, and since a force drain does exactly what it did to Kreia, which makes her weak and makes it difficult for her to use the force, then it's a force drain. Try again.


No dumbass it couldn't me 99, because there's also kreia, and all the jedi masters that judged the exile, so at the very most you're looking at a # around 80 which is VERY generous since it was stated that the majority LEFT the order.




Yea, very logical. And you're NOT a fanboy? riight


Gee, then I guess he's not as uber powerful as you'd like to believe. His fluke of being a wound in the force is negated by his need to feast.



I'm going to assume you don't know what canon is.

Game mechanics aren't canon.

Things scene in cutscenes are.

So, the only canon result of that fight is what we see in the scene following it which is him being "too powerful."



You claw at straws to try and do anything and everything to demean Nihilus. You claim him being a wound is a "fluke." Can you provide any evidence of that? We don't even know HOW he became one.



Why would Kreia be one of the Jedi left...?



You're mixing two quotes.

The one she dictates during that scene "cast downa dn stripped of her power" is not the quote I'm using.

The whole quote is

"There will be those who will deny the force, try to forget it, but they manitan unconusius ties. And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."

So, she specifically says she was stripped of The Force.

Force Drain doesn't strip you of anything.



Maybe he has to say something specific.



No. It's like asking you to prove something that is not supported by any statement, scene or logic.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
Game mechanics aren't canon.

Things scene in cutscenes are.
Really, so the cutscene when Sion confronts Nihilus and tells him he doesn't need him anymore, is also canon?


Omg Visas says he's too powerful so he MUST be. I guess because Kyp thought he had more force potential than LUke, he automatically does!




I don't think you know what a strawman is. Furthermore, it only seems like diminishing to a fanboy like you who likes to verbally fellate him. And being a wound in the force is defined as a fluke, so what I said is actually fact, not a fallacy.



She never says she was stripped of the force. During the force drain scene she says she was stripped of her power and there are techniques in the force for which there is no defense. Unfortunately for you, there ARE defenses for "wall of light" techniques, shown by Exar Kun when he had his amulet on against Odan. Yet there was no defense for Nihilus' force drain at the time, so it's common sense.




Learn to debate.

That's such a horrible misrepresentation that it's absurd.

Cutscenes are canon.

I should not have to specify cutscenes in the game are canon.

That goes without saying.



Relevance? Zero? Thanks.

Kyp thinking he's stronger than Luke has nothing in common with this scene at all.

Visas had just battled Nihilus. You think she wouldn't know he's too powerful? Plus the Exile's options for speaking at this point agree with Visas.



Fluke is defined as a stroke of luck from what I can find...so how are wounds in The Force a fluke, exactly?

And it is diminishing since you attribute his powers to being a wound in the Force which can not be supported by anything.



Let me help you.

And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."



i know how to debate.

It involves facts.

Something you have none of when it comes to Nihilus draining Kreia.

All facts point to the opposite, including her own statement, the fact it doesn't look like a drain and logic.

Originally posted by Nikkolas
You're mixing two quotes.

The one she dictates during that scene "cast downa dn stripped of her power" is not the quote I'm using.

The whole quote is

"There will be those who will deny the force, try to forget it, but they manitan unconusius ties. And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."


Just by curiosity at what cutscene is she suppose to say that?

Person I got it from said

Originally posted by Nikkolas
That's such a horrible misrepresentation that it's absurd.

Cutscenes are canon.

I should not have to specify cutscenes in the game are canon.

That goes without saying.
A. Do you ever go outside? You've been here all day.
B. Not all cutscenes are canon, seeing as how that seen I just described wasn't. Try again.



Too powerful for who, Visas? The Exile? The force itself? Visas is an authority on only Visas.




You don't call what happened to the exile and Nihilus a stroke of luck?


Right, because he represents the death in the force, when Visas looks at him she sees death and a wound in the force, etc. Yes, his powers are attributed to him being a wound in the force, just like the exile.





And there would be those, like me, who have had the Force stripped from them."
Yet that quote has nothing to do with the scene itself, seeing as how he drained her, and she could still use the force. If you had any common sense, you'd realize that she wouldn't be able to use the force at ALL if it was stripped from her.




Says the delusional fanboy who can't provide a logical argument.


A. You don't know what Nihilus' drain looks like
B. Logic points to the fact that there was no defense for that technique, while there is a defense for being stripped of the force, and logic points to the fact that she could still barely use the force, meaning she was drained but not completely. Try again. Better yet, go outside.

Nihilus drains them both. You have to be a wound in the force to stand up to Nihilus.

As for the whole Kreia angle by Darthsexy. You do realise that he willfully humiliated Kreia, that he willfully stripped her of her powers in the force? That by definintion, Nihilus never attempted to kill Kreia?

The fact that she categorically states that she was stripped of her power and humiliated should be evidence enough of this. You don't have an argument here.

The cutscene of Traya's betrayal shows Nihilus weakening her and then Sion proceeds to pummel her, never making an attempt to kill her outright even when she's at his mercy.

Did I say ALL cutscenes are canon?

I said cutscenes are canon. It does not require specification as to "cutscenes in the game are canon." That's just common sense?

And I do not like outside. I prefer reading. The Godfather is a great book, ya know.



Well...considering they (Exile, Visas and Canderous) had just fought Nihilus...and said "he's too powerful" I'm assuming she's talking about them. And the Exile's options of dialogue support this.



Didn't the Exile make herself cut off from The Force? She willingly severed herself off from it, right?

How is that luck? Luck requires forces higher than what we ourselves can do bringing something extremely unlikely to pass. If the Exile did it herself, under her own power, it's not luck.



A wound in the Force does not grant powers or abilities as far as I know. Nihilus' various techniques and strengths are his own because he learned them.



So, you are saying YOU are right and she is wrong? You know more than her about what happened to HER?

I don't dismiss quotes because they don't fit my ideas. I make sense of them. There are explanations for why the saber moved. Example: Nihilus Force Pushed her into the wall, she was going to pull the saber to her and then Nihilus executed the Sever Force.

The fact remaisn though, you have no evidence at all it was a drain. You need to stop arguing this because no one agrees with you and there's no statements, no logic, no nothing to support it. Until such time you can give me ONE bit of solid evidence that ISN'T just YOUR conjecture, it's not a Force Drain.



Says the fanboy who doesn't ASSume things that are not proveable whatsoever.

YOU. CAN. NOT. PROVE. IT. WAS. A. DRAIN.

Accept it and move on.



I do.

On planetary scale, it looks like a big dark cloud.

On individuals such as the Exile, it looks like orange lightning.

Neither of which are present in the scene with Kreia.




Evidence?



Sorry but in-game quotes are there for a reason.

She specifically says she was stripped of the Force.

Or do you think you know what happened to her more than she does?

While responding to all of that bullshit is counterproductive seeing as how I don't have time to be on here 24/7 responding to your nonsense, I'm just going to state that in game quotes are on a case by case, canon, so stop with the bullshit that they're "there for a reason". Allankles, I don't care. Your opinion means nothing. Furthermore, I've given evidence and ample logical deduction to show it was a drain. I don't care if your fanboyistic views get in the way of common sense.

@ Nikkolas

Here is what Revan can do to win. He can quickly "Force Jump" right very near to the position of Nihilus with his ignited Saber and then slice him.

Now what can Nihilus do to counter this move?

Originally posted by Allankles
Nihilus drains them both. You have to be a wound in the force to stand up to Nihilus.
Wrong assumption indeed...

There are some ways to defeat Nihilus in a close encounter.

Case 1: If a Jedi has mastered "Force Cloak" technique. That Jedi can fool Nihilus and kill him.

Case 2: A wise, experienced and powerful Jedi Knight like Revan and Yoda can quickly "Force Jump" right very near to the position of Nihilus and slice him with Saber.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
@ Nikkolas

Here is what Revan can do to win. He can quickly "Force Jump" right very near to the position of Nihilus with his ignited Saber and then slice him.

Now what can Nihilus do to counter this move? And can nihilus or kun not do the same? Nihilus obviusly has his saber to defend, If revan is going to kill nihilus, its going to be through the force

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wrong assumption indeed...

There are some ways to defeat Nihilus in a close encounter.

Case 1: If a Jedi has mastered "Force Cloak" technique. That Jedi can fool Nihilus and kill him. As if the jedis cant be sensed through the force
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Case 2: A wise, experienced and powerful Jedi Knight like Revan and Yoda can quickly "Force Jump" right very near to the position of Nihilus and slice him with Saber. Anakin also forced jumped towards obiwan yet obi wan blocked the attack

Originally posted by Kadesh
And can nihilus or kun not do the same? Nihilus obviusly has his saber to defend, If revan is going to kill nihilus, its going to be through the force
Force Jump attack technique is normally used by Jedi Knights.

Jedi Sentinels and Consulars seldom demonstrate this ability or are seldom taught to do so. And we do not know that what Jedi class Nihilus had practised, if he ever was a Jedi.

Revan is a Jedi Knight and he uses Force Jump often. Yoda uses Ataru and it makes him very acrobatic and he did demonstrated Force Jump technique as well. So they can use this ability to land very close to Nihilus position and then start shitting on him with Saber.

And Revan can destroy Nihilus in Saber Combat as well. Your assumption is wrong thet he can only beat him with the Force.

Originally posted by Kadesh
As if the jedis cant be sensed through the force
Sensing through the Force is a different thing then attacking a Jedi who is standing near to you and ready to kill you. Speed and Skill are the true deciding factors in this case.

Originally posted by Kadesh
Anakin also forced jumped towards obiwan yet obi wan blocked the attack
Anakin jumped right on to the Obi-Wan which was a fatal mistake.

I am saying that Revan and Yoda can Force Jump right very close to the position of Nihilus and then attack instantly. This is not impossible.

And even if Nihilus managed to block the move with his Saber, he will have no choice left but to engage in a Saber duel and he will loose to guys like Revan and Yoda in Saber Combat.

Of-course, this is one scenario in which Nihilus can be killed.

I actually think that if Exar and/or Revan could immediately get Nihilus in a saber fight that they have a good chance of killing him. We do not know how good with a saber Nihilus we really is and we do know that Kun was deadly in saber combat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sensing through the Force is a different thing then attacking a Jedi who is standing near to you and ready to kill you. Speed and Skill are the true deciding factors in this case. Well you have to back a distance before you can cloak yourself, Try going near any sith lord and then try to clock, see what happens.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Anakin jumped right on to the Obi-Wan which was a fatal mistake.
Im talking about the time when both of them forced pushed each other, and so what if you force jump then attack?
The defender(nihilus) may very well replicate what obi wan did to anakin. Just because you jump and attack doesnt garentee you will slay him or her weather or not your experienced and skillful, it leaves you open to either getting slashed or force pushed to counter


Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

And even if Nihilus managed to block the move with his Saber, he will have no choice left but to engage in a Saber duel and he will loose to guys like Revan and Yoda in Saber Combat.

Of-course, this is one scenario in which Nihilus can be killed. I would agree, but you were argueing once anybody jumps and attacks, nihilus dies which is not the cased but yea ill agree here

Bottom line is, Revan and Kun are more powerful while Nihilus has one powerful technique, so it could go either way between the 3, but I see Nihilus as the odd man out due to the fact that nothing states that he's a good saber duelist, and Revan's vast ancient sith knowledge coupled with Kun's amulet blast and sith magic.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Bottom line is, Revan and Kun are more powerful while Nihilus has one powerful technique, so it could go either way between the 3, but I see Nihilus as the odd man out due to the fact that nothing states that he's a good saber duelist, and Revan's vast ancient sith knowledge coupled with Kun's amulet blast and sith magic.
I agree with what you said but still I do not think that Nihilus is adept in only one technique.

You forgot to notice that Nihilus send Darth Traya flying in the air towards the wall with his single Force attack during a fight between them before the events of KOTOR II and Darth Traya is not average by any means.

Nihilus is indeed a very powerful Sith Lord and can be safely considered to be among the most dangerous Sith Lords in Star Wars history.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
@ Nikkolas

Here is what Revan can do to win. He can quickly "Force Jump" right very near to the position of Nihilus with his ignited Saber and then slice him.

Now what can Nihilus do to counter this move?

Are you serious?

The evidence says that the most likely outcome is that Nihilus drains them both. Being a powerful force sensitive is a weakness against Nihilus not a strength, as his 'hunger' is likely to be strongly attracted to any great convergence of the force.

Originally posted by Advent


Tatooine, according to The Essential Guide to Planet and Moons, only holds a population of 200,000. Likewise, there are several other planets that inhabitants do not rise into the millions.

So, you're wrong. Not all planets are Coruscant or Corellia, you know.

You're right about not every planet being Corellia and Coruscant, but Katarr to our knowledge wasn't a desert planet on the edge of the galaxy, populated by criminals, slaves and moisture farmers.

Also, we have to consider that Katarr was the home of an entire race, unlike Tatooine.

Originally posted by Allankles
You're right about not every planet being Corellia and Coruscant, but Katarr to our knowledge wasn't a desert planet on the edge of the galaxy, populated by criminals, slaves and moisture farmers. Also, we have to consider that Katarr was the home of an entire race, unlike Tatooine.

That's largely irrelevant.

Janus X's insinuation was simply because a planet is capable of holding "millions/billions" that it does, and thusly that's the amount he drained. The fact that Tatooine doesn't hold that, or that there are not that many inhabitants leads one to believe that it's not necessarily the case.

How does any of what you're saying suggest that they numbered even in the millions? It doesn't. We don't have to consider anything, in fact, because the amount of Miraluka were not specified.

Galantos is also where the Fia (a sentient species) reside at, yet they have half a million in terms of their population (source: Coruscant and the Core Worlds). Aside from the fact that the planet itself is locationed in the Core Worlds, along a trade route. So, you really don't have a point.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD


Nihilus is indeed a very powerful Sith Lord and can be safely considered to be among the most dangerous Sith Lords in Star Wars history. I wouldnt say he is among the most dangerous, he IS the most dangerous if no one attempts to stop him

You think he's more dangerous than Sidious?

Sidious should be more dangerous since he is more powerful & aggressive.

Various people find various things more dangerous than you would.

For instance, would you say a madman with a gun is more dangerous than a precision killer with a gun? The madman has no real control or restraint and thus makes him an untamed beast who is unpredictable and vicious. But the expert killer is a trained beast - who is more skilled in what he does but is less likely to appear randomly and slaughter people.

I could easily say Nihilus is more dangerous than Palpatine becomes under Palpatine, there is still a future. An oppressed one but a future. Sidious poses no immediate threat to me as long as I comply to the Empire. Nihilus doesn't care. He'll devour everything in the Galaxy with no discrimination or care. There's no reasoning or avoiding it. He'll consume everything till nothing is left.

and that just happened right? Like, he didn't "purposely" do it, rather his place in the force just caused that to happen? I was seriously asking though, cause like you said, different people see different things as dangerous.

What are you referring to? Nihilus needing to eat the Galaxy? I have no idea what caused it. Presumably his mastery of Force Drain or that in conjunction with however he became a wound in the Force.

Palpatine wanted to control the galaxy, not destroy it and he doesnt view his adepts or allys as "food" like nihilus, He wanted to keep the galaxy, not deny the existence of life

Kun ftw.

Originally posted by Advent
No, the Massassi forfeited their lives to give power to their energy to fuel the ritual using alchemical objects. So, it's not as if he used his own powers to do such, as even he himself stated that he did not fully understand it.



Tatooine, according to The Essential Guide to Planet and Moons, only holds a population of 200,000. Likewise, there are several other planets that inhabitants do not rise into the millions.

So, you're wrong. Not all planets are Coruscant or Corellia, you know.

Hey Advent is there a section on Ambria in that?

Originally posted by Apollo Cloud
Hey Advent is there a section on Ambria in that?

In the Essential Guide to Planets and Moons? Yes. There's also information which tells more of the historic events of Ambria, in the Tales of the Jedi Companion, if you were wondering.

Cool, I'm not going to be difficult and ask you to scan them but is it true that Thon fought an Ancient Sith Woman so powerful that when he defeated her, she destroyed all life on the planet with a single attack?

Destroyed all life on the plantet with a single attack? Can Luke even do that?

Originally posted by vader11
Destroyed all life on the plantet with a single attack? Can Luke even do that?

No. But Nihilus can vin

Originally posted by Advent


That's largely irrelevant.

Janus X's insinuation was simply because a planet is capable of holding "millions/billions" that it does, and thusly that's the amount he drained. The fact that Tatooine doesn't hold that, or that there are not that many inhabitants leads one to believe that it's not necessarily the case.

How does any of what you're saying suggest that they numbered even in the millions? It doesn't. We don't have to consider anything, in fact, because the amount of Miraluka were not specified.

Galantos is also where the Fia (a sentient species) reside at, yet they have half a million in terms of their population (source: Coruscant and the Core Worlds). Aside from the fact that the planet itself is locationed in the Core Worlds, along a trade route. So, you really don't have a point.



My point was simply that Tatooine's population shouldn't be a marker for planets, without the population densities of Corellia and Coruscant. Whether or not Katarr had millions or billions of civilians is irrelevant.

Besides, it wasn't just the Miraluka that were killed but every living organism.

Originally posted by Allankles
My point was simply that Tatooine's population shouldn't be a marker for planets without the population densities of Corellia and Coruscant

No one said that it was, I was simply demonstrating that because a planet may be able to hold millions or billions, that it necessarily isn't the case. Which I've stated. Tatooine was only an example, as I gave another, Galantos. It has nothing to do with being a "marker".

And you also tried to somehow suggest that the numbers may have not been so low due to the fact it was "home to an entire race", which doesn't hold true in the least bit.



I don't recall saying that I gave a shit about flora or fauna.

Originally posted by Advent


No one said that it was, I was simply demonstrating that because a planet may be able to hold millions or billions, that it necessarily isn't the case. Which I've stated. Tatooine was only an example, as I gave another, Galantos. It has nothing to do with being a "marker".

And you also tried to somehow suggest that the numbers may have not been so low due to the fact it was "home to an entire race", which doesn't hold true in the least bit.



I don't recall saying that I gave a shit about flora or fauna.


Yeah! I was suggesting, but that's all it was a suggestion.

I don't recall suggesting that you gave a shit about flora and fauna.

That was me just scribbling on about the enormity of the loss, given how rich in plant and animal life Katarr was.