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I heard this went to Apocalypse and I wondered how true was that. Standard equipment, no prep.

Apocalypse loses.

Originally posted by Bentley
I heard this went to Apocalypse and I wondered how true was that. Standard equipment, no prep.

hulk beats up apoc

apoc falls w/ease

Originally posted by Bentley
I heard this went to Apocalypse and I wondered how true was that. Standard equipment, no prep.

Yes well it was Trickster who said that.

Apocalypse gets curbstomped.

Trickster says a lot of inaccurate stuff.

Apocalypse can win this. Matter manip, TP/TK, molecular control (any physical super power) not to mention energy absorbtion and TO virus. They've got only one telepath, who we know is inferior to him in TP.

Ash, back me up here.......

I think Apocalypse can win, at least beat the involved characters in individual battles, but there is still a lot of hit power there so a good strategy would be required for him to win without prep.

Unlike the other battles with the same team, this is not necessarily spite.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apocalypse can win this. Matter manip, TP/TK, molecular control (any physical super power) not to mention energy absorbtion and TO virus. They've got only one telepath, who we know is inferior to him in TP.

Ash, back me up here.......

Sersi + a mid teir team > Apoc

Sersi got punked by Exodus, who got punked by Poccy. 2nd, He's a much more formidable TK/TP and he just give himself Sebastian Shaw's power x2.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Sersi got punked by Exodus, who got punked by Poccy. 2nd, He's a much more formidable TK/TP and he just give himself Sebastian Shaw's power x2.

Sersi would his transformation ability completly moot. Then the others can just tear into him.

Nope. Immune to matter manip. Sersi ain't doing shit.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nope. Immune to matter manip. Sersi ain't doing shit.

IMO, numbers are too much. I admire Apoc, but he may fall

Apoc loses

Originally posted by jasonk3
Apoc loses

Hey Jason

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Nope. Immune to matter manip. Sersi ain't doing shit.

Both of your favorites die to this team apocalypse and superman. Even given the fact that apocalypse can grant himself super human speed, he still die horribly in this fight.


Team against superman and apocalypse 10/10

Originally posted by carver9
Both of your favorites die to this team apocalypse and superman. Even given the fact that apocalypse can grant himself super human speed, he still die horribly in this fight.


Team against superman and apocalypse 10/10

Superman could beat this team AND Apocalypse.....

Originally posted by Soljer
Superman could beat this team AND Apocalypse.....

In your dream on the first and really in your dreams on the second. Read a comic with these people in it, then come back and vote.

Originally posted by carver9
In your dream on the first and really in your dreams on the second. Read a comic with these people in it, then come back and vote.

Originally posted by carver9
In your dream on the first and really in your dreams on the second. Read a comic with these people in it, then come back and vote.

dood, Superman can speedblitz this team and Apoc before they could even react.

Originally posted by carver9
In your dream on the first and really in your dreams on the second. Read a comic with these people in it, then come back and vote.

I feel that I am quite safe in the assumption that I have read many multitudes of comics more than you. Likely, many magnitudes of comics more.

Apocalypse got scared of Death Gambit. The team is going to take it to Apocalypse.

You know, as crazy as this may sound, if Apoc fights smart and doesn't take the direct approach I can see him winning. He's shown he can teleport as well as encase people in force-bubbles and send them off. If he can single people out via teleportation and transporting people to places where he can take them down, he can winnow the team down for a victory. I don't see him taking a majority, but it is a possibility. When I think of these battle scenarios I don't always assume it's just going to be a direct slugfest. Some characters are smarter than that.

Apoc is one of them.

I'd give him 2-3.

Apoc not engaging directly would work better for him.

Its really hard to peg him up when he has quite the low showings and some hype on his record that never really met its due.

i did not think someone could open an even more stupid thread than Superman vs bla bla bla bla...

any of these guys could solo Apoc

Hulk, Hercules and Wonder Man would solo him most of times

Originally posted by StyleTime
Apocalypse got scared of Death Gambit. The team is going to take it to Apocalypse.

surprised, not scared.

yikes Carver, read a bloody comic, will ya? Apocalypse, king of low showings...other than the silver surfer....loses....7/10 times

Originally posted by Redatom65
Apocalypse, king of low showings..

That's Rhino...

Hulk smash.

Apocalypse gets absolutely no respect on this board. No matter what he does all people bring up is dodging a table thrown by Namor or getting ripped in half by Magneto (which contradicts other on panel occurences and feats of Apocalypse). He may have lows (like any villain), but he has some astounding highs as well, as well as showing an immense range of versatility (particularly considering the rules of the forum).

I'll never understand the spite he receives here on KMC.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Apocalypse gets absolutely no respect on this board. No matter what he does all people bring up is dodging a table thrown by Namor or getting ripped in half by Magneto (which contradicts other on panel occurences and feats of Apocalypse). He may have lows (like any villain), but he has some astounding highs as well, as well as showing an immense range of versatility (particularly considering the rules of the forum).

I'll never understand the spite he receives here on KMC.

It's sad but true. ****ing HE gets props for everything, but does Poccy get credit for the stalemate? no. Credit for taking the firepower of Black Bolt, X-factor, inhumans and Xmen Blue team? no. It grinds my gears.

Yeah, me too TP, no doubt.

And actually, after giving this battle some thought while I was at work, I feel I'm selling Apocalypse short. If he can single out Sersi and take her out early he can simply grow to 100+ feat tall, turn his arm into a gigantic rail gun and blast the sh*t out of everyone left from orbit, then pick them off one at a time. With his powers, there's no need for a direct assault, and I can say in very good conscience that Apocalypse could defeat any of the people he's facing one on one and he has the ability to pick each person on the team off and single them out away from the group.

Teleport, pwn, repeat on next opponent.

I can see him beating this team 5-6/10 using divide and conquer tactics. Direct assault on the group collectively would be his downfall.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Credit for taking the firepower of Black Bolt, X-factor, inhumans and Xmen Blue team? Trickster, you know that I pay Apoc his dues when I'm serious... but that was PIS.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
It's sad but true. ****ing HE gets props for everything, but does Poccy get credit for the stalemate? no. Credit for taking the firepower of Black Bolt, X-factor, inhumans and Xmen Blue team? no. It grinds my gears.

Dude...you really gotta stop calling him "Poccy"

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Trickster, you know that I pay Apoc his dues when I'm serious... but that was PIS.

That really hurts my case......... nosweat And ok, I'll stop calling him that.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That really hurts my case......... nosweat And ok, I'll stop calling him that. http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/8753/xforce1701m1vz.th.jpg

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/388/xforce170203m5bb.th.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5146/xforce1704m3go.th.jpg

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/4807/xforce1705m1oq.th.jpg

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That really hurts my case......... nosweat And ok, I'll stop calling him that. Nah dude, that doesn't ruin your case... this ruins all past, future, present, and all cases you have ever brought up for that instance...
Curious?








http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/3561/apocvscyke1xu5.th.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/9352/apocvscyke2jc9.th.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/5863/apocvscyke3nt6.th.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9011/apocvscyke4ol9.th.jpg

Also, if Apoc did take the scream, then that means that X-Factor (especially Cyclops, since he was closer than Apoc), and the other teams took the scream as well. Even the Inhumans, and if you think Black Bolt is that careless to scream when his family is there... well, that's just not right.
It looked like he was breathing at him, or a beam, but he certainly couldn't have screamed.


Here's your mercy:
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/673/jesusblacklovezx7.jpg

You have been branned.

Two things wrong with your arguement. Apoc was half dead when Stryfe was kicking him around. I've read that arc.

2nd, BB can direct his scream. And it wouldn't hurt Apoc in any case, molecular control.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Two things wrong with your arguement. Apoc was half dead when Stryfe was kicking him around. I've read that arc.

2nd, BB can direct his scream. And it wouldn't hurt Apoc in any case, molecular control. I was just joking around with that one, I just was reading over the Cable respect thread, looking for scans of Storm getting crushed, and found that (actually forgot that one).

Oh... so why doesn't BB do it, EVER, when his family is around?
Do you also have scans or anything of BB controlling his scream, that accurately (it was a thin little thing, come on, it doesn't work like that)?

Because, I remember him letting out a whisper, and the other side of the planet feeling it... why didn't he just scream at the air?
Or, when he has to use a machine to direct all of his scream at a Watcher-powered-Doom?

Plus, Apocalypse was powered up, during that little fiasco (if you read the scans).

Molecular control doesn't help, when he's getting his whole body smashed, and his molecules ripped apart.

Dude, You're still taking that arguement? Black Bolt cannot beat Apocalypse.

Smurf and others have vouched for BB being able to control it, and I'm going to go check his respect thread.

And if you want images of Storm being crushed, Apoc has some on page 5 of his respect thread. and page 1.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dude, You're still taking that arguement? Black Bolt cannot beat Apocalypse.

Smurf and others have vouched for BB being able to control it, and I'm going to go check his respect thread.

And if you want images of Storm being crushed, Apoc has some on page 5 of his respect thread. and page 1. I fail to see why it's not valid... especially with fail safe arguements like:
"..."
Well, I've got no opposition basically.

Especially since that instance was Apoc powered up, and Cyclops had smashed him.

I don't care what they say... really (if you haven't noticed). He is not controlling it enough, to have Cyclops a foot away from his face, and Cyke is virtually unaffected.
Also, I want proof, not Smurf.
You get proof, of him controlling it, it might, might change my mind.
You get proof of someone standing a foot away from his mouth, when he's screaming, and I'll certainly change my mind.
As of right now, he wasn't screaming, and it wasn't normal Apoc.

Black Bolt>>>>>>>>>>>>etc, Cyke.

You want to change my mind... prove to me, that it wasn't pis, prove to me, it was a scream.
Because as of right now, it was bullshit, considering BB's destructive force from a whisper, was enough to damage the other side of a planet.

Do I really to need to bring out scans, to go against both?


I'll look after, although, I already have Cyke smashing her ass out of the sky, KOing her instantly.

Controlling his voice to send a small pulse into Gladiator's head.
http://img106.exs.cx/img106/9764/vsglads9ak.jpg

A whisper send Maximus into a wall.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silentwar002011vz7.jpg

Whispers a single word that only hits Hulk.
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=a8c39_vrshulk4.jpg

controls his voice so that only the Hulk is taken out by it.
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/525/hulk33gf.jpg
http://img168.exs.cx/img168/3176/hulk40cw.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=cd624_banner6.jpg

Team wins. Also Sersi's powers were ****ed up when her and Dane were in the past.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Controlling his voice to send a small pulse into Gladiator's head.
http://img106.exs.cx/img106/9764/vsglads9ak.jpg

A whisper send Maximus into a wall.
http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=silentwar002011vz7.jpg

Whispers a single word that only hits Hulk.
http://img14.imagevenue.com/img.php?loc=loc24&image=a8c39_vrshulk4.jpg

controls his voice so that only the Hulk is taken out by it.
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/525/hulk33gf.jpg
http://img168.exs.cx/img168/3176/hulk40cw.jpg
http://img142.imagevenue.com/view.php?loc=loc24&image=cd624_banner6.jpg He was an inch away from Glad's ear, and had his hands cuffed around it.

He blew not only the guy away, but was destroying the windows as well... Also, he didn't even talk there, that was from his antenna.

His face, was right in front of Hulk's, and he still destroyed a big piece of land...

He controlled his voice, so that it was more directed at Hulk, and yet, he still destroyed buildings, was affecting his teammates, and himself...



None of those were whispers, and yet, all of them, caused more damage, than his supposed scream that he landed on Apoc.

As a matter of fact, all of these scans go against him screaming at Apoc.

And... bed.

Didnt BB already owned Apoc once?

Natch, all the team needs is a wood table and hes done for.

Scream? I thought it was made clear that Apocalypse withstood a whisper...


Originally posted by olympian
Didnt BB already owned Apoc once?

In an alternative reality...

APOC ftw....easy

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Dude, You're still taking that arguement? Black Bolt cannot beat Apocalypse.

Smurf and others have vouched for BB being able to control it, and I'm going to go check his respect thread.

And if you want images of Storm being crushed, Apoc has some on page 5 of his respect thread. and page 1.

If Black Bolt cannot defeat Apocalypse, how are this team supposed to do it? If the comics were right, and he is in fact stronger than the Hulk then I don't see how these guys would defeat him.

Originally posted by llagrok
If Black Bolt cannot defeat Apocalypse, how are this team supposed to do it? If the comics were right, and he is in fact stronger than the Hulk then I don't see how these guys would defeat him.

He isn't stronger than an enraged SavageHulk.

BlackBolt wasn't exactly screaming his head off in that scene either.

Apocalypse can augment his strength, so one can't really determine how strong he is or can become.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Apocalypse was powered up

Which I find odd, since the whole point of him bringing the X-Factor to the moon was to use them to power himself up. If he was being powered up, then I don't see why he would need the X-Factor.

Seems to me more like the machinery was keeping him alive or stabilising his already own energies.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7239/apocxfactor68xt1.th.png

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
Cyclops had smashed him.

Cyclops's optic beam was powered up through Jean and Cable. Compare his optic blast in the scan he destroys Apocalyse to the other scans you posted. It's far, far greater than normally.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q276/Acolyte_01/sdsd.jpg

*Nods to Evil_Ash*

Apocalypse goes down, real hard.

Originally posted by CasanoVa
*Nods to Evil_Ash*

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/HAL10WEEN/tlankyho.png

Originally posted by CasanoVa
Apocalypse goes down, real hard.

Ash, why are you are hindering in this? 2nd, BB's scream affects things on a molecular level. Apoc has molecular control. hence, the scream does not work on Apoc. 3rd, Apocalypse was trying to do what he did in the twelve saga, except this time he was at full power as opposed to using a substitute body in the twelve saga.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ash, why are you are hindering in this? 2nd, BB's scream affects things on a molecular level. Apoc has molecular control. hence, the scream does not work on Apoc. 3rd, Apocalypse was trying to do what he did in the twelve saga, except this time he was at full power as opposed to using a substitute body in the twelve saga.

Personally, I'm a little opposed to the whole substitute body thing. What do you think?

So am I. It's total BS. But unfortunately, marvel's shit writing is holding Apoc back. Hence, the use of the term, 'Classic Apocalypse' or Apoc in his original body.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
So am I. It's total BS. But unfortunately, marvel's shit writing is holding Apoc back. Hence, the use of the term, 'Classic Apocalypse' or Apoc in his original body.

I'm also wondering about Apocalypse's skin. Can it be cut by other materials then Adamantium and possible Cable's Psmitar?

Given his molecular control, the answer should be no. As for the Psimitar, I'd say no, but I'm not entirely sure how it works as a weapon.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Which I find odd, since the whole point of him bringing the X-Factor to the moon was to use them to power himself up. If he was being powered up, then I don't see why he would need the X-Factor.

Seems to me more like the machinery was keeping him alive or stabilising his already own energies.

http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/7239/apocxfactor68xt1.th.png There's something about having a bunch of wires, attaching to machines, and you being able to take way more punishment than you have ever normally...

I fail to see him doing the same thing, under normal circumstances (without the things coming out of him of course).



Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Cyclops's optic beam was powered up through Jean and Cable. Compare his optic blast in the scan he destroys Apocalyse to the other scans you posted. It's far, far greater than normally. And yet, it still isn't above Black Bolt's scream.

Originally posted by WorldWarHulk
And yet, it still isn't above Black Bolt's scream.

Most certainly.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Most certainly. So, why would you even respond to my post then?

I was using it in the same post, that Black Bolt's scream didn't do anything, and yet Cyclops smashed him (and also rubbing in that Cyclops had indeed, smashed him).

It was something Trickster kept ignoring.

I thought we made it clear that it was a whisper?

you can't prove that. and the explanation is simple. Summers family wankage. BB's scream doesn't do shit, but an amped Cyclops can kill Apoc? PIS bullshit.

trick's against the whooooooleeeeee world now, a rebel, at Apocalypse's malevolent ***

Ash, you used to back me up on him taking a full scream. Hell, you sent me the damn issue in question. I read through it and it's a scream, his mouth is open, he looks like he's yelling and there's a visible wave. You're all grasping as straws and trying to ignore the simple truth: Apocalypse took Black Bolt's full scream and didn't even flinch.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
I should point out that Apocalypse did not withstand a scream from Black Bolt, but a whisper.

This can be clarified for two reasons.

1. Black Bolt's scream is an omnidirectional attack of immense power that would have killed most everyone in that scene.

2. In the previous issue, it is stated he uses a whisper and it is rendered in the same fashion as in the scan I posted.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ash, you used to back me up on him taking a full scream. Hell, you sent me the damn issue in question. I read through it and it's a scream, his mouth is open, he looks like he's yelling and there's a visible wave. You're all grasping as straws and trying to ignore the simple truth: Apocalypse took Black Bolt's full scream and didn't even flinch.

Didn't you once say that Martian Manhunter or Wonder woman could kill Apocalypse by punching him. Black Bolt's scream should be capable of destroying the world.

Martian can win, but he would have to work for it. Wondy can win, but it's a tough fight without her lasso.

and BB's scream being able to destroy a world is BS.

Your own damn evidence has him doing the same thing.
http://img175.exs.cx/img175/525/hulk33gf.jpg

It's obvious, you're just trying to deny it.

Hell, you even posted scans of him whispering, and it doing massive damage to the buildings and surroundings.
Yet, Cyclops, a foot away, is unaffected, by a full scream?

Do you even know what that would do?

When he was a baby, he blew up Attilian.

Also, Summers family wankage?
Wow, you really sunk that low, to try and make a feat out to be more?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ash, you used to back me up on him taking a full scream. Hell, you sent me the damn issue in question. I read through it and it's a scream, his mouth is open, he looks like he's yelling and there's a visible wave. You're all grasping as straws and trying to ignore the simple truth: Apocalypse took Black Bolt's full scream and didn't even flinch.

come on dood, Apoc cannot withstand a scream from BB...even Superman would prob be KOed by a scream

By shouting "MASDA" Black Bolt destroyed a world in exiles.